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What drives do you have ? How do they perform on their own ?

Ever test SSD to SSD to determine about Network speed?
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For me, the main reason to use expert mode vs cruise control is that, while I love the drive pooling for movies, I don't like it for tv.

I run YAMJ for movies and drive pooling makes it easy (1 - don't have to keep track of putting movies on the right alphabetical drive to keep them organized (I have thirteen 2TB drives in the movie pool) and 2 - don't need to run Winbolic to simulate one big drive for YAMJ.)

I don't use YAMJ for tv because it's just too much trouble to organize and perfect metadata for literally tens of thousands of episodes. I just use my PCH file browser and it is organized by genre (Comedy, Drama, Docs) with one drive per genre. If tv was in the storage pool, it would
just take too long to navigate up and down the file browser all the time.

Just my opinion - some people prefer just one big drive pool.

There is more of a learning curve with expert mode though - I am still learning all the features.
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<- - cruise control smile.gif
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<- - RT RAID smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

What drives do you have ? How do they perform on their own ?

Ever test SSD to SSD to determine about Network speed?

There are a number of slow drives in the array, actually most are 5,200 rpm WD green wink.gif or Seagates.

Testing SSD to SSD sounds like a great idea; my Flexraid machine has no SSD but I can test between my desktop and the HTPC. They are on different switches; the HTPC unfortunately on a cheap white Netgear and the desktop on the enterprise HP so it will be a good test.
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5200rpm green drives can slow down to 60MB/sec when they fill up. What speeds do you get ?

I'd test your network speed then proceed from there.
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I've been using LAN Speed Test to test my network lately.

What speeds do you guys get on your networks ?
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Right under 1 Gbps. With my WSE 2012 I can get over 1.6 Gbps if I do a copy from different drives to different computers thanks to the built-in NIC teaming. No special switch required.
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I've been using LAN Speed Test to test my network lately.

What speeds do you guys get on your networks ?



Test went across 3 switches all Netgear Prosafe GigE (2x8 ports and 1x16 Port) To Intel Nic from Realtek Nic. In the wall wiring is cat5 with cat6 patch cables.
Edited by RobNY - 5/31/13 at 7:21am
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Mfusick, are you using NFS with flexraid? My original WHS v1 died so I installed Server 2012 but it doesn't seem to play well in a home environment was I was thinking I should switch to whs2011 if Flexraid and NFS work together.
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I'm using whs2011
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For me, I was able to share folders from the drives, but you cannot apparently create an NFS share from the pool. There are topics on the flexraid forums, and indications that other utilities for pooling work with NFS shares, yet the developer claims it's not his issue. This may have been fixed, the references I saw were about a year old. Since I didn't benefit from pooling I disabled it and moved on.
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My trusty office machine based on an Intel E8500 3.16ghz Core2 Duo on Asus LGA775 ROG board just crapped the bed.



I am not sure why....

I tried to keep it clean and dust free. (See below)




I am wondering if the crud effected it's life. Sometimes I smoke near it. (see below )



It was working fine yesterday... until a drive by shooting. You guys think this would cause it to stop working? (See below ?)

post #944 of 3342
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On a serious note:

My office PC really did die so now I am charged with buying a replacement now.

There is a couple options I can do.

First- I was considering upgrading my server G860 3.0 Sandy with Intel Xeon Quad-Core Processor E3-1220V2 3.1GHz 5.0GT/s 8MB LGA 1155 for $192. I am wondering if it would be a good fit in my flexraid server and my Z77 Asrock Mobo. I could then use the G860 as a new office PC which should suffice fine.




Seems like decent bang for the buck. I don't virtualize now- but wondering if I should or if this would help if I did. (kinda noob at that still)

Thoughts?

My other choice is to do a microcenter deal- Only because it seems cool and a good value.



There is a couple good combo's I am playing around with but the drive is so far away and I really don't need it. I could make due with a basic dual core. It's just and office PC.
I think it's a case of want and not need- but my partner has a 2500k and 6850gpu and it would be cool to do a little gaming in the office.

4770k is about $400 combo:


3770k:


4760k:


3570k (which I could drop into my server and use G860 to complicate things)


lastly a lowly... i3




I wonder if Haswell is worth it or not over Ivy ??? I am worried about recalls and growing pains... too. Should I be ?
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I also noticed the Z87 has Intel Lan. Not that I need it but that's a cool value.

OK- where is the value ?

Intel Xeon E3-1220 V2 @ 3.10GHz Average CPU Mark 6725
Description: Socket: LGA1155, Clockspeed: 3.1 GHz, Turbo Speed: 3.5 GHz, No of Cores: 4, Max TDP: 69 W
Other names: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 V2 @ 3.10GHz
CPU Launched: Q2 2012
CPUmark/$Price: 31.28 Overall Rank: 111
Last Price Change: $214.99 USD (2012-08-09)

Samples: 10

Intel Core i7-4770K @ 3.50GHz Average CPU Mark 10016
Description: Clockspeed: 3.5 GHz, Turbo Speed: 3.9 GHz, No of Cores: 4 (2 logical cores per physical), Max TDP: 84 W
Other names: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
CPU Launched: NA
CPUmark/$Price: 28.62 Overall Rank: 21
Last Price Change: $349.99 USD (2013-06-04)

Samples: 2


Intel Core i7-3770K @ 3.50GHz Average CPU Mark 9607
Description: Socket: LGA1155, Clockspeed: 3.5 GHz, Turbo Speed: 3.9 GHz, No of Cores: 4 (2 logical cores per physical), Max TDP: 77 W
Other names: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
CPU Launched: Q2 2012
CPUmark/$Price: 32.02 Overall Rank: 31
Last Price Change: $299.99 USD (2012-04-27)

Samples: 1884

Intel Core i7-2600K @ 3.40GHz Average CPU Mark 8493

Description: Socket: LGA1155, Clockspeed: 3.4 GHz, Turbo Speed: 3.8 GHz, No of Cores: 4 (2 logical cores per physical), Max TDP: 95 W
Other names: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz
CPU Launched: Q4 2010
CPUmark/$Price: 28.89 Overall Rank: 64
Last Price Change: $294 USD (2011-01-10)

Samples: 880


Intel Core i5-3570K @ 3.40GHz Average CPU Mark 7124
Description: Socket: LGA1155, Clockspeed: 3.4 GHz, Turbo Speed: 3.8 GHz, No of Cores: 4, Max TDP: 77 W
Other names: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz
CPU Launched: Q2 2012
CPUmark/$Price: 32.53 Overall Rank: 95
Last Price Change: $219 USD (2012-04-30)

Samples: 1865

Intel Core i3-3220 @ 3.30GHz Average CPU Mark 4231

Description: Socket: LGA1155, Clockspeed: 3.3 GHz, No of Cores: 2 (2 logical cores per physical), Max TDP: 55 W
Other names: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3220 CPU @ 3.30GHz
CPU Launched: Q2 2012
CPUmark/$Price: 38.47 Overall Rank: 262
Last Price Change: $109.99 USD (2012-09-04)


Intel Pentium G2130 @ 3.20GHz Average CPU Mark 3355
Description: Clockspeed: 3.2 GHz, No of Cores: 2, Max TDP: 55 W
Other names: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G2130 @ 3.20GHz
CPU Launched: NA
CPUmark/$Price: 33.55 Overall Rank: 376
Last Price Change: $99.99 USD (2013-02-20)
Samples: 5


Where is the value ????
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my dart hit on the 3570.

jealous of that 4770k/3770k in-store combo deals. wish i could get one.
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Originally Posted by aliaskary77 View Post

my dart hit on the 3570.

jealous of that 4770k/3770k in-store combo deals. wish i could get one.

I am debating to get the 3770k or 4770k and replace my 2600k. I'd use that 2600k for my office PC. I don't like how long it takes to restart the Asus Z68 deluxe it is on... and the system is not very stable for gaming. (I am exaggerating, but it's not as good as I had hoped.)

I had a $60 gift card and I see there was a $20 rebate too.. so I just got $80 off a Vector SSD. I think it would match up well with a new board. Z87 is growing on me.

My question is do I want to change sockets or not ??? Is LGA1155 enough ? I like that the Z87 has the Intel Lan on it. My Z68 Asus has intel lan too. My server has the LAN NIC from intel installed.

That is worth $25 - so the difference of $$55 is really only $30 to me. I value the Intel Nic over the one in the Z77Asrock Extreme 4.

I want to install a second x8 card in my server so perhaps the 2600k and Asus Deluxe would make sense in that. ???? hmmm.. Now I am confusing myself. (issue is my Asus Deluxe doesn't have a video out port, and I think using a GPU in a server is a waste)


It looks like the Z87 has Intel Lan chip, HDMI in and out (what is the input for ?) - Has support for 2933+ memory (I only have Gskil 2400ghz) and includes 3 PCI express 3.0 x16 slots. (I'd never use 3 cards) Looks like it also has 8 SATA 3 ports (I like that) and a realtek ALC1150 audio versus the ALC898 in the LGA1155 version.

It also ads a display port out and has 6 USB 3.0 ports. Has support for 4 more USB3.0 with headers.

My major hangup with the Haswell was the Z87 board costing more. ($129 versus $159) but perhaps the $30 is worth it on Z87 ?????
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Here is my value system:

Asrock Z77 versus Asrock Z87 Extreme 4 (3770k vs 4770k) [Ivy versus Haswell]

Advantages on 87 build:

Intel Lan chip ($20)
8 SATA 3 ports ($10)
HDMI+display port+HDMI input ($10)
3 PCI 3.0 x16 slots ($1 cause I don't need more than 2)
supports 2933+ Memory ($5 cause I only have 2400mhz )
Realtek ALC1150 audio ($5 I prob won't be able to tell difference though)
8 USB 3.0 ($5)

So it appears that the "value" in the Z87 board is there... since it's got enough upgrades and goodies over the Z77 to justify it's higher cost.
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Launch prices on motherboards are always higher. The Z77 E4 was $150 at launch. You should have waited a month before upgrading.
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Originally Posted by amarshonarbangla View Post

Launch prices on motherboards are always higher. The Z77 E4 was $150 at launch. You should have waited a month before upgrading.

I need it now. I don't have time to mess around. My office PC died and I am not wasting my time trouble shooting a socket 775 pig. (Even though it cost me $1000 in it's day)

I gave it to my kid brother in law. He's gonna try and rehab it. DDR2 800mhz... Sata2, not worth my time anymore. I overclocked that pig to the moon and back for 5 years. Surprised it took this long for it to break down. I think my Asus ROG Maximus motherboard had issues. If it get's rehabbed perhaps I'll use it in my office in the corner to mine bitcoins. My electricity is covered in my rent. biggrin.gif

sooo.....


F-it !

I did it.




ReneTHX had a few more points about the Z87 that made the $59 over the 3770k a no brainer. Sure the Mobo was $159 versus $130 but there was value there. And the total deal was not a bad deal at all for being so early.

I am hoping it restarts faster than my Asus Deluxe/2600k I am replacing. That is my biggest complaint.

I just know that if I did anything else than Z87 and i7 i'd probably regret it. For the $59 over the Z77 it just made sense to me. Spread out of the next year or two it's easily going to be worth it to me to have spent the extra I think.
I am kinda excited to be replacing my trusty 2600k. Hopefully this one boots up faster (my biggest complaint of the Z68 Asus Deluxe.) I actually wanted to use the Z68 Asus Deluxe in my server because it has multiple x8 slots and I could use multiple HBA cards (I only have 1 now) and my Asrock PRO3 ATX I don't think supports two simultaneous x8 cards- but I'd have to double check that. That Asus does- and it has Intel Lan, but the problem is I don't think it had a HDMI or VGA out. I don't want to bother using a GPU card in my server. That Z68 board was nice board when I got it- but by today's standards the memory controllers and things on the Z87 seems far superior.

I am going to yank out 8GB of 2400mhz Gskill (2x4GB) from my HTPC(3570k) and use that on the Z87/4770k. I am going to split the 16GB in my desktop (4x4GB) 1600mhz and use 8GB in the office PC and the other 8GB in the HTPC. Should work fine and save me the cost of DDR3 right now. I paid like $80 for the 16GB gskill kit back when memory was rock bottom priced- and today 8GB sells for almost the same price. I don't need 16GB anyways... I only got it because it was super cheap. I don't think using 1600mhz memory on my 2600k office PC or 3570k HTPC is a big deal anyways. I do plan to upgrade the HTPC with a GPU card or SVP at some point- but I only use SVP a limited amount of the time. I guess I'll just stick with HD4000 and level 4g for now.
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Can't wait to see your new gig :-).....
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Can't wait to see your new gig :-).....

I'm going to use my existing Coolermaster Cosmos II case: (SuperTower)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119252





I am not going to use a GPU just yet though. I need my current GPU to make the 2600k i7 machine work since mobo has no video built in. (WTF $270 Mobo has no HDMI mad.gif )

I'll reuse or continue using my Rosewill Lightning PSU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182239

Here's a shot from when I built it:



I will also reuse stuff I have:

Bluray BR-RW/+RW (x2 of them)
G Skill 2400mhz DDR3 8GB *4GBx2)
various hardrives (Samsung, Hitachi, WD Velociraptor ) [ no I don't have any Seagates in my deskop ] wink.gif


I just bought an OCZ VECTOR SSD to replace my current MAX IOPS Toggle Nand SSD. I'll let that stay with the 2600k (My OEM windows PRO x64 is registered to the 2600k/Asus/OCZ SSD combo and taking out 8GB of RAM or changing the case won't hurt things)


I guess I'll be building another machine soon (or rebuilding)

I will post some pictures when I do probably.
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Is that power supply rated to run with Haswell?
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Originally Posted by amarshonarbangla View Post

Is that power supply rated to run with Haswell?

????

What's the difference ?
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

????

What's the difference ?

Some PSU's don't respond well to the S5 sleep state, and you end up having to power off/back on if it goes there.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

????

What's the difference ?



Some PSU's don't respond well to the S5 sleep state, and you end up having to power off/back on if it goes there.




My PC never sleeps so I think I should be ok smile.gif

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The overall power consumption of the system is referred to as System Power States. There are a total of six different power states ranging from S0 (the system is completely powered ON and fully operational) to S5 (the system is completely powered OFF) and the States (S1, S2, S3 and S4) are referred to as sleeping states, in which the system appears OFF because of low power consumption and retains enough of the hardware context to return to the working state without a system reboot.

Global states :
The ACPI specification defines the following four Global "Gx" states and six Sleep "Sx" states for an ACPI-compliant computer-system:
G0 (S0): Working. "Awaymode" is a subset of S0, where monitor is off but background tasks are running.
G1, Sleeping subdivides into the four states S1 through S4:
S1: All processor caches are flushed, and the CPU(s) stops executing instructions. Power to the CPU(s) and RAM is maintained; devices that do not indicate they must remain on may be powered down.
S2: CPU powered off. Dirty cache is flushed to RAM.
S3: Commonly referred to as Standby, Sleep, or Suspend to RAM (STR). RAM remains powered
S4: Hibernation or Suspend to Disk. All content of main memory is saved to non-volatile memory such as a hard drive, and is powered down.
G2 (S5), Soft Off: G2/S5 is almost the same as G3 Mechanical Off, except that the PSU still supplies power, at a minimum, to the power button to allow return to S0. A full reboot is required. No previous content is retained. Other components may remain powered so the computer can "wake" on input from the keyboard, clock, modem, LAN, or USB device.
G3, Mechanical Off: The computer's power has been totally removed via a mechanical switch (as on the rear of a PSU). The power cord can be removed and the system is safe for disassembly (typically, only the real-time clock continues to run - using its own small battery).
Furthermore, the specification defines a Legacy state: the state on an operating system which does not support ACPI. In this state, the hardware and power are not managed via ACPI, effectively disabling ACPI.
All about System Power States (S0-S5)



The key characteristics of the each state that we care about are:


The overall Power the system consumes in a given state - Power Consumption.
Retention of the system context (such as the volatile registers, memory caches, and RAM) - Context
Note on power state transition: System is Waking Up when the system is transitioning from the OFF State (S5) or any sleep state (S1-S4) to the ON State (S0) and the System is going to Sleep when the system is transitioning from ON state (S0) to OFF state (S5) or sleep state (S1-S4). Please note that the system cannot enter one sleep state directly from another, as it must enter the ON state before entering any other sleep state.


System Power State S0 the ON state: The system is completely operation, fully powered and completely retains the context.
System Power State S1 the Sleep state: The system consumes less power than S0 state. All Hardware & Processor context is maintained.
System Power State S2 the Sleep state: The system consumes less power than S1 state. Processor loses power and processor context and contents of the cache are lost.
System Power State S3 the Sleep state: The system consumes less power than S2 state. Processor & Hardware context, cache contents, and chipset context are lost. The system memory is retained.
System Power State S4 the Hibernate state: The system consumes the least power compared to all other sleep states. The system is almost at an OFF state, expect for a trickle power. The context data is written to hard drive (disk)and there is no context retained.
System Power State S5 the OFF state:The system is in a shutdown state and the system retains no context. Note that in power state S4 the system can restart from the context data stored on the disk, but in S5 the system requires a reboot.
Refer to the following documents for further information on System Power states
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Edited by Mfusick - 6/5/13 at 4:37pm
post #958 of 3342
Your quote is from the ACPI page in Wikipedia? It needs a little updating

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface

The new Intel power states are specific to the dedicated processor 12v rail. Referred to as C6 and C7 http://vr-zone.com/articles/is-your-power-supply-ready-for-haswell-/19848.html


There's lots of different info floating around regarding which PSUs are "ready" for haswell, but to me the missing information is which "OS" is ready? AFAIK, Windows 7 doesn't support these power states, and they are only of use to W8 or more up-to-date linux distros
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I am also on W7 x64. I don't care for W8 yet.
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