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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

Certain spots were boomy with only one, but I haven't found any boomy spots with two of them. I'm new to home theater, but not new to car audio, specifically subs. The bass is clean and of good quality and fills the room really nicely

Interesting. thank you. I really wish I could demo both. especially the legend just to see how that parallel driver tech works with dispersion.

when used my one logitech sub to do some dispersion tests i noticed boominess and some overly loud bass on the outer seating spots.

I see you have your two subs on either side of the tv. Did you just put them there and call it a day. im sure you dialed them in. but did you do like the whole sub crawling tests to determine that where youve placed them was the best spot?
post #32 of 50
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Interesting. thank you. I really wish I could demo both. especially the legend just to see how that parallel driver tech works with dispersion.
when used my one logitech sub to do some dispersion tests i noticed boominess and some overly loud bass on the outer seating spots.
I see you have your two subs on either side of the tv. Did you just put them there and call it a day. im sure you dialed them in. but did you do like the whole sub crawling tests to determine that where youve placed them was the best spot?

because of my room setup, i cant just put a sub anywhere, so initially with only one sub i did a crawl to the possible location choices i had. i could not tell a huge difference between them so i put it where i thought it looked the best, which was inbetween the center and one of the fronts. with it there, i noticed the same as you, boomier closer to walls but not as loud as it should be at the main listening position. dont get me wrong, it sounded great and all i had to do was turn it up a little to get the desired effect at the main listening position, but then the outer positions had more bass than i wanted. not a problem with the sub, just my room dynamics. so then i got another sub. i just put it where it looked the best, which was on the other side mirror image. it sounded good and even at all seats so i did not do a crawl and just left it there. if i want more or less bass at the seating positions, all i have to do is adjust the level of the lfe in the receiver. so really, a crawl is not necessary for me now. hope that helps.
post #33 of 50
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because of my room setup, i cant just put a sub anywhere, so initially with only one sub i did a crawl to the possible location choices i had. i could not tell a huge difference between them so i put it where i thought it looked the best, which was inbetween the center and one of the fronts. with it there, i noticed the same as you, boomier closer to walls but not as loud as it should be at the main listening position. dont get me wrong, it sounded great and all i had to do was turn it up a little to get the desired effect at the main listening position, but then the outer positions had more bass than i wanted. not a problem with the sub, just my room dynamics. so then i got another sub. i just put it where it looked the best, which was on the other side mirror image. it sounded good and even at all seats so i did not do a crawl and just left it there. if i want more or less bass at the seating positions, all i have to do is adjust the level of the lfe in the receiver. so really, a crawl is not necessary for me now. hope that helps.

This is from the sound and vision magazine review of the 5 subwoofers.

What do you make of this as the conclusion for the RW, moreso what do you make of his comment about the music aspect of the subwoofer?

"The RW-12d does a good job at moderate levels, with a healthy amount of low bass and good upper-range tonal balance. When cranked up on music, however, it overreaches and can't hold it together, yielding powerful but often muddy bass. This is passable for movies, but not for music. Thus, I liked this sub a lot for movies, where it really shook the room, but somewhat less so for music. I found the keypad and display to be a pain to use; I consistently punched the wrong buttons and longed for a couple of simple knobs."
post #34 of 50
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This is from the sound and vision magazine review of the 5 subwoofers.
What do you make of this as the conclusion for the RW, moreso what do you make of his comment about the music aspect of the subwoofer?
"The RW-12d does a good job at moderate levels, with a healthy amount of low bass and good upper-range tonal balance. When cranked up on music, however, it overreaches and can't hold it together, yielding powerful but often muddy bass. This is passable for movies, but not for music. Thus, I liked this sub a lot for movies, where it really shook the room, but somewhat less so for music. I found the keypad and display to be a pain to use; I consistently punched the wrong buttons and longed for a couple of simple knobs."

Consider what the competitors are in that review, and how much those subs sell for today, despite the rw going for 300 on basically a regular basis. in relation to the others tested, maybe it was comparitively a little muddy. i know i like what i hear out of mine, but i havent heard those others either. also, i find the digital keypad to be very easy to use and a big plus so there is some subjectivity to that part of it. with a digital setting, you know exactly where its set, not like a knob where you might be slightly off of where you really want to be.

is the rw a clear winner when compared to 600-700$ subs like in that article? no. but middle of the pack says something for it. would it be a clear winner when compared to other 300$ subs today? i would say yes.
post #35 of 50
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

Consider what the competitors are in that review, and how much those subs sell for today, despite the rw going for 300 on basically a regular basis. in relation to the others tested, maybe it was comparitively a little muddy. i know i like what i hear out of mine, but i havent heard those others either. also, i find the digital keypad to be very easy to use and a big plus so there is some subjectivity to that part of it. with a digital setting, you know exactly where its set, not like a knob where you might be slightly off of where you really want to be.
is the rw a clear winner when compared to 600-700$ subs like in that article? no. but middle of the pack says something for it. would it be a clear winner when compared to other 300$ subs today? i would say yes.

Thanks.

What do you normally listen to? music (what kind), movies? percentage for each?
post #36 of 50
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Thanks.
What do you normally listen to? music (what kind), movies? percentage for each?

so far it has been about 50/50, but it will be more like 80/20 going forward, with the 80 being mostly movies and some sports watching as well. i listen to about everything from country to dubstep so i cover a pretty wide range.
post #37 of 50
i also have to wonder if any of those subs were properly broke in before that comparison was performed.
post #38 of 50
i was playing a song called "bottoms up" by treys or something like that the other night and had it up pretty loud. one of my closet doors was really rattling, i mean really bad. it was not even really a rattle, but more of a banging itself against the door frame type of thing, if that makes any sense. i went over to put my hand on the door to make it stop and it got quiet, but i could feel the whole door moving still will some pretty good pressure on it with my hand. my ears also started to get that feeling when you change elevation and they need to pop. just an example of what these can do.

i have my mains and sub crossed over at 80hz, fyi
post #39 of 50
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Nice, it will probably be 60movies 40 music for me. I also listen to a wide range of music. Im 22 so I listen to a lot of generational stuff like rap, hip hop, electronic music. However my dad got me into a lot of older music so I listen to a lot of older rock. My favorite band of all time is AC/DC. Lately I have been listening to mostly electronic music (minus dubstep, not really my thing). I want the drums in my AC/DC tracks to be nice and tight and fast since if im not mistaken they are also midbass freqs.

Do you think breaking in of subs would reduce muddiness though?

haha yeah I know bottoms up. thats crazy though, Basically they are powerful. (any chance you can do some tests and see how far the bass travels through your house when youve got it not cranked to the highest possible before distortion but fairly high volumes. ones you could watch a movie at for the whole movie or listen to music at for awhile. Yeah I know that feeling, when I was at Ozzfest the speakers made it feel like wind was blowing over you the bass was so powerful, and made you choke. Kind of unpleasant after a bit actually hahaha.
post #40 of 50
Rw12d back to $299 on newegg
post #41 of 50
After a week one of my Polk PSW505's pooped the bed. It's boxed up and ready for UPS to pick up and take back to amazon. I decided to take a refund instead of a replacement and try
the Klipsch when it came back on sale. Of course today was the day. I'll give it a whirl and see if I like it better than the Polk. I really like the Polk for music but it doesn't shine as well for
movies. I'll give them and go together of course. I know it's supposed to be best to run matching subs but it doesn't hurt to give it a try. I'll probably end up returning the 2nd Polk also and
get a 2nd Klipsch. I've got a fairly large room and a 2nd sub really makes a difference.
post #42 of 50
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yeah I see the Rw is back on sale. Im still torn between two of those and one legend haha

here is my pros and cons list


Legend:

Pros: 1. Better SQ. 2-smaller footprint. 3-sealed design so no distortion or cabinet resonance. 4. Bass wouldnt travel as far.

Cons: 1.Dispersion wouldnt be as good as with two RWs. 2. Has a natural roll off so doesn't dig as low.

RW-12D

Pros: 1. Better dispersion. 2. Better SPL. 3. Louder. 4. Flatter to 20Hz

Cons: 1. Slightly lower SQ. 2. Bigger footprint. 3. potential distortion. 4. Bass would more than likely travel further.

im sure there are some others
post #43 of 50
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Originally Posted by sealteamz6 View Post

yeah I see the Rw is back on sale. Im still torn between two of those and one legend haha
here is my pros and cons list
Legend:
Pros: 1. Better SQ. 2-smaller footprint. 3-sealed design so no distortion or cabinet resonance. 4. Bass wouldnt travel as far.
Cons: 1.Dispersion wouldnt be as good as with two RWs. 2. Has a natural roll off so doesn't dig as low.
RW-12D
Pros: 1. Better dispersion. 2. Better SPL. 3. Louder. 4. Flatter to 20Hz
Cons: 1. Slightly lower SQ. 2. Bigger footprint. 3. potential distortion. 4. Bass would more than likely travel further.
im sure there are some others

If you have a large listening area I'd probably go with two RW's. Or just get a Legend and add another one later. Course with two Legends you safety is not guaranteed.
post #44 of 50
I was considering the Cadence linked here http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/review-cadence-csx-12-mark-ii-subwoofer

Great reviews and currently $279 direct from manufacturer, normally $399 .

I've found other positive reviews and ready to order one I suppose.

Anyone have any insight as seems to be great for music and movies .
post #45 of 50
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I ordered two Jamo 650's off amazon for 220 a piece no shipping cost. So I got two for 440. Might consider cancelling the order cause im not totally sure its what I want. but according to Archaea its an amazing steal at that price. might be able to get two used legends in 9/10 condition for 700 total
post #46 of 50
I think those 650's will be perfect for you man! I'd keep the order!
post #47 of 50
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Epik Legend subs are 400 and free shipping this week
post #48 of 50
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I ordered two of the same thing for the 164 price as well a few days ago. but i was still on the fence and when the legends popped up on sale i kinda wanted those. I asked if it was too late to cancel the order and the person responeded asking if i would like them to find out and i asked them to but NOT to cancel the order but they did. apologized and said i could reorder. I asked if i could for the same price they said sorry no. Then I ordered the legends. 10 minutes later I get two emails from the actual seller (digitaletc) of the subs instead of amazon saying sorry and I could reorder. I went to my amazon account recent orders clicked the jamo 650 link and boom there were 4 for the same price of 164. i was at that point like whatever. i want the legends anyways. But feel guilty for going over my budget. oh well. I am not the type to upgrade so they will last a long time. Checked on em an hour later and they were sold out so oh well. I will let you all know how they are.

Thank you for everyone's advice and putting up with my indecision.
post #49 of 50
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I ordered two of the same thing for the 164 price as well a few days ago. but i was still on the fence and when the legends popped up on sale i kinda wanted those. I asked if it was too late to cancel the order and the person responeded asking if i would like them to find out and i asked them to but NOT to cancel the order but they did. apologized and said i could reorder. I asked if i could for the same price they said sorry no. Then I ordered the legends. 10 minutes later I get two emails from the actual seller (digitaletc) of the subs instead of amazon saying sorry and I could reorder. I went to my amazon account recent orders clicked the jamo 650 link and boom there were 4 for the same price of 164. i was at that point like whatever. i want the legends anyways. But feel guilty for going over my budget. oh well. I am not the type to upgrade so they will last a long time. Checked on em an hour later and they were sold out so oh well. I will let you all know how they are.
Thank you for everyone's advice and putting up with my indecision.

Wow, I should have followed this thread sooner. sealteamz6, you sound just like me!! Except that I didn't get the Epik Legend. Not sure if I'm kicking myself yet as I feel it's over my budget too. Thinking they have a new model coming out anyway. Plus, two Klipsch RW-12d's doesn't seem too bad. I watch more movies than listen to music anyway (80/20).
post #50 of 50
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Wow, I should have followed this thread sooner. sealteamz6, you sound just like me!! Except that I didn't get the Epik Legend. Not sure if I'm kicking myself yet as I feel it's over my budget too. Thinking they have a new model coming out anyway. Plus, two Klipsch RW-12d's doesn't seem too bad. I watch more movies than listen to music anyway (80/20).

hahaha, I went over my budget which in a sense I dont like but I am happy I got the legends. I think for what I am looking for even with me watching more movies with them they will be amazing. I got the two at 400 off. I know a guy who bought his for 1100 I think. Yeah it seems like they have a new model on the way...anyways, if four 12 inch drivers isnt enough for my 2400 cu room even though they are sealed subs then i would say my expectations are way to high. Its one thing to go with bigger subs like the empire to fill bigger rooms and hit lower freqs but considering how loud other subs ive used like my 8 inch logitech are these are gonna be crazy loud. My girlfriend keeps complaining my speakers minus subs are too loud hahaha
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