Originally Posted by mankite
If your in the know why are you trying to convince us theirs no difference between amps that cost $500 and $10,000 instead of building and selling $10,000 amps with the parts in a $500 amp? You'd be making a killing since your in the know. Instead your on here telling us why we are wasting our money and your dedicated to it like your benefiting some how. lol
This forum is about AVS(cience).
So it is relevant to me to be educated by others (the "benefits" as you name it) , who know more about a certain aspect of this field than i do (i learned a lot from here already), and to add my own contributions and views based on my personal understanding and experience to this same subject for the benefit of others.
Its not about making money from this specific knowledge.
There are two aspects to the subject, this thread is discussing / debating from my personal understanding:
1) all amps measure
differently in one way or the other, even if it is a different sample of the same model (not unit)
2) the thresholds of the human hearing for those measurements and how relevant they are for the (our) sonic perception
There are different concepts and designs for constructing an amp, classes like A,B,D,G,H etc. and materials plus layouts plus packaging to realize a design.
But as long as the resulting technical parameters of a chosen design fall below the thresholds of the human hearing, they are no longer audibly relevant for the sonic experience
of such a unit in contrary to what the "industry" wants us to believe.
The masking (averaging) capability of our ear(s) in combination with its connected hardware (brain) plus some built in "inherent" algorithms, all together summed as "hearing", will provide missing information from clues derived from other data, sometimes even not present in the original data stream (audio). Even if the fundamental tone is not contained (or audible) in a given sequence our hearing will "reconstruct" its presence from the existing overtones thus making us believe, that the fundamental tone was contained within the audio material.
Sometimes we will even "imagine" a sound which never happened in reality, due to some misinterpretation of data currently available to the brain, i.e. a light bursts or pain might be perceived / interpreted as sound.
Thus the outcome of this hearing process is modulated (sometimes "fooled") by all sorts of other information available to the brain at that moment (mostly non-conscious) either as some sort of perception of other senses or stored data (memories) or other influences.
This has been verified by numerous field tests and all compression algorithms like MP3 for example built their working model on those proven theories.
From this point of view it is easily explainable, that not everything we "believe" to have heard is existent in reality.
We might just have been "fooled" by some sort of imagination. We might even "steer" our perceptions (unconsciously) in the "right" direction if needed. Sales practices in this industry built upon this "illusion" and we start to "hear" what we were told to hear.
Just listen to those *experts* (no one particular): "...You don't hear it
, so you are not one of those gifted ones with "golden ears". Don't you hear/feel the shimmer and sparkle the new super duper power cable
adds to the spaciousness and definition of the highs
I feel sooo sorry for you
if you don't. You should have your ears (brain?) checked very soon !"
Just joking Edited by gurkey - 11/29/12 at 3:36am