Good Speakers for Denon 2113?

Hi, my second post over here, don´t know much about speakers though I´m looking for something with great sound for music and sometimes movies, I have a BOSE AM6 right now which I was planning to use as rear/surround speakers, and maybe spend some money on good front stereos and a goot center, with the idea of replacing the AM6 in a future for better speakers also. The other thing I was thinking ist o change from a AM6 to an AM15, though I haven´t read the best reviews from BOSE...I bought myself this system since I heard it before and was amazed with the sound, though in my house don´t know why it just doesn´t sound that spectacular (maybe because of the Pioneer HM50 amp that came with it?)

I would really appreciate any help around here, I´m in Germany and there´s a place where we can find godo prices but I don´t know most of the brands...Jamo, KEF Magnat, Quadral?? Then of course Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo...but in matter of quality, best sound, I have really NO IDEA, so thanks in advance for any help you can give me!! this will be my Christmas present

that´s the thing, there are MANY models availablre, what I don´t know is if I should buy a whole system (much more expensive) or as I said, buy them separately, like to fronts and a center, so that I could change the AM6 later on for something that quality. And since I don´t know the brands or the sounds they have, I´m asking what you would recommend, I´m just buying the amp right now (after a looong search, between the Onkyo, Pioneer and Denon at the price, I decided to get the Denon at last) so I want decent good speakers!, still I may tell you some of the models I´m seeing that will be on m pricerange:

Front stereos Stand:

KEF C5 or Q 500 (if the sound difference really worth it)
Jamo S608

Front Mid-sizes:

KEF Q300 - Q800 (if the sound difference really worth it)
Jamo D500

Other question, is it better to buy stand speakers? or are the normal mid-size speakers having the same sound quality/fidelity? What I loved about the BOSE system was its actual size for the sound I "believed" it had, but the size of the stand speakers for me is kind of a drawback, don´t know if it worth to occupy that space because of the sound...?

Brands Available:

- Canton
- Denon
- Energy
- Heco
- Jamo
- KEF
- Klipsch
- Magnat
- Quadral
- Yamaha

Really really appreciate your answer!! and all of the help guys!!

yes it does, Its hifishop24.de, there are many other places where I could buy even other brands if you´d suggest any better in the pricerange, but the prices here are actually very good for Germany

Yes, actually as I said I went for the Denon 2113, after a lot of research and a mental battle between thid one, the Onkyo 616 and the Pioneer 922, I think it was a good choice, now I´m deciding between the speakers...I wouldn´t be actually able to buy like a whole new system, though if you say this speakers would be an upgrade, than maybe I can leave the AM6 for the rears and buy good speakers for the fronts and the center, until I´m able to get the rest of the speakers and sell the AM, I actually don´t understand why someone gets blasts when hearing a BOSE system, but then at home its just not the same!


Since the 2113 has two possible subwoofer connections, its actually possible to have the whole AM6 for the rears and then a different sub for the fronts, don´t know if I´m talking crazy though, what do you thing about the AM15?

Don´t know if you know some German, at any case, if you go to Audio -> Lautsprecher you´ll see all of the speakers, they´re divided between stand speakers or "Regal lautsprechers" that are the little ones

Thanks for the advice! its a bit expensive but I´d do the effort to get it!, do you know if the 2113 has the LFE subwoofer out? I know it has two subwoofer outs (how do you know if those are LFEs?) the other thing is that you know the AM6 works connecting the speakers to the sub, and then the sub to the amp, meaning that you can´t connect the sub directly to the amp, one should just connect the whole system, that being said, I would then have two subwoofers working at a time, one for the rears (AM6) and the Jano 660 directly to the amp, would that be good or bad for the sound? For me its just cheaper to buy only fronts, center and sub, leaving the AM6 for the rears (since they don´t have the best sound as I can understand) than to change the whole system right now, prefer to spend money in some quality equipment right now that would let me complete it later, than spend less money on a complete average equipment with not so good sound, don´t know if I´m explaining myself right?

Sorry for the ignorance, but Energy is the brand and Veritas the model right? in this shop there are some speakers from that brand


I have always heard that its always better to have a complete system from the same brand, than having like speakersof one brand, subs from another brand, etc, is that truth? thanks guys!!

The thing is I dont know if I can actually connect the cube speakers directly to the 2113 without burning anything down, can I? and what you think about not having all of the speakers of the same brand?

There´s another shop that has also Boston Acoustics, so between KEF, Jamo, und Boston, which one is the best in your opinion?

Hey! yes sorry, maybe I just started writting every little question that came through my mind and didn´t really focused, lets see, my budget its actually not fixed, I´m thinking on around 700€ leaving the 2113 aside (add around 600€ more for the Denon, but that´s already done), my idea was to keep the AM6 by the moment for the rears, so I can concentrate those +/-700€ in great front/center speakers + sub, and then afterwards "complete" the system when I can sell the AM6 for a decent price and then add something to it, what I don´t want to do is to sell them and buy more "average" equipment, at least those are my thoughts.

- My room is around 35sqm (living room/bedroom, my apartment is not so big, though i´m thinking on moving out to a bigger one next year), I used to like the Boses because I could actually "hang" them to the wall, it would look great and it should sound awesome, though that wasn´t my experience.

- About the sizes, since the apartment is not so big, I wasn´t considerating the stand speakers, I actually wanted them mounted to the wall, my leaving room as is its kind of a 3 wall corner, I have the couch on the right wall facing to the TV that´s in the left wall, so if you have a front view of it, you´ll see in front of you an empty wall, and then right couch, left TV, don´t know if you can actually imagine it.

- About listening to speakers, that´s the thing...I heard the BOSE´s a loong time ago and loved them, now that I have them they´re not so impressive, and all of these brands, KEF, Bostson, Jamo, that´s all new for me, that´s why I´m asking for advice over here, I´m a musician, a complete music lover, and i want to be able to listen to music in this set-up as if I would be living it, a beautiful crisp sound yet with outstanding bass and good mids, totally HiFi, that´s why I´m puting more money on it, and of course, I want to be able to ses movies also with good sound quality, that was another thing with the Yamaha HM50 and the AM6, every time I tried to see movies, and turned the system on, I couldn´t understand a word of what they were saying! if I turned the volume up, then the music and sound effects were too loud, in the end, a complete mess!

So hope this is clearer now guys, thanks for your time!!

Thanks for clearing it up for me! I´m checking around and can´t find them, though being stand speakers they´re a litle big for me, in the Shop I was looking there´s actually some Energy speakers, I don´t know if there´s anything comparable to this ones!

This store has the Veritas, but they cost 1.517€ each!!

Then they have the little shell speakers, the Veritas V5.1 in 439€ each, what do you think about them?

Ok guys, went to a local store to try speakers, they only had Cantons, Magnatm Heco and JBL, oh, and of course, Bose, the guy offered me the Canton CLS2, and suggested me to change my new Denon for a Yamaha Receiver, since I´m still in my 15days trial time, so offered the Yamaha RX-V773 which actually sounded pretty good, since I didn´t have the opportunity to try other speakers, I still need your help guys, what you think about it?

It actually didn´t impress me, was a...good sound, but nothing really impressive, my question is, you guys know about speaker engineering and construction (I mean, hoy the companies uses it) in your oppinion, would you choose the Cantons over the Veritas per example? didn´t get any feedback on the bookshell veritas I saw in the page, and can´t find them so still don´t know.

Yeah I mean, the guy gave me that advice ´cause he says that Yamaha knows better about sound engineering when it comes to music since its a 125year company that makes also music instruments and pro electronics, so he thinks its much better for an audiophile to have a Yamaha receiver, he also says that a Yamaha receiver is easier to sell in a good price than a Denon if someday you wanna change it, are those the only differences between the 2113 and this Yamaha receiver? if this is the case, I catually think that if someday I need more power, I´d change the amp instead of chaining another one to it, don´t know.

Oh, and the Denon 2113 is also 7.2! don´t really understand that preout thing you´re saying :s

LOL yes, I bought the Denon there, but spoke with another guy, turns out that this guy is an external advisor that studied sound engineering and seems to know a lot about this stuff Ithat´s what it seems like) and he sad Yamaha would be a better choice for a "lifetime" receiver, even the A1020 would be much better since its a new technology and comes with the YPAO multi-point measure system that "doesn´t have anything to envy to the Audyssey system" so now that´s a dilemma that I have, the other thing, he says he prefers Canton over KEF because of the design engineering used by the brands to create the speakers, of course I wouldn´t take that particular advice for granted since he doesn´t sell KEF there LOL, I just want to make a good investment now so I don´t have to be in a couple of months as I am with the BOSE system :S that´s why I´m here!

Oh, and they´d make me a nice price on the Yamaha receiver, so I´d actually won´t have to put much money on top to change it, maybe 50€....don´t know if this is normal though, what would you guys do? Yamaha or Denon? quality and designwise? and speakers, KEF, Energy or Canton? damn!! is this hard

Well afrogt, that´s one of the reasons I´m here! I have NO IDEA on what to buy, so need help, if oyu go through the thread you´ll see my doubts, right now I´m between Energy Veritas (a suggestoin from some people over here) KEFs or Cantons, and after I decided for the Denon 2113, some sound engineer tells me the design in the Yamahas its better and I should change it, I´ve read that the YPAO has many problems that the Audyssey don´t have, so I really don´t know! help? :S