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post #31 of 132
As far as Yamaha vs Denon receiver quality I think Yamaha makes one of the most reliable receivers around. I used to own a Yamaha receiver and never had a problem with it. I own two Denons now though because I like Audyssey MultEQ or MultEQ XT room calibration and they've been problem free too. But if you scour the forums I'd say the Yamaha has better reliability. That RX-V773 has a little more flexibility than the AVR 2113. If it eq'd the sub like the Denon does then I'd say its a no brainer but you have to step up to a higher model Yamaha to get that feature.
post #32 of 132
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Well the reviewers on this side of the pond think the new Veritas speakers build quality is extremely nice but the tweeters can be a little bright sounding and fatiguing compared to say the Energy RC series. We've been offered some amazing deals on the Veritas and RC line here. Doesn't look like you're getting the discount pricing we had here so I'd probably skip them. Plus I'm not too sure Energy will be around in the long run. The V5.1 Veritas is a bookshelf speaker about the same size as the Energy RC-10.
I don't know enough about the Canton, Magnat, Quadral and some of the other brands to give an opinion. I do own some Jamo speakers but not theS608 or D500 models that interest you. I've heard KEF iQ speakers and the vocals are extremely clear. Bass isn't as deep as some other speakers but you've got a subwoofer to handle the low end.
I'd advise you to take some music on CD that you know very well and audition as many speakers as you can. that's the only way you'll get some satisfaction with your purchase.

By any means I would like them to be bookshell sized, and I can find both energy Veritas and RC at a decent price around here, the problem here is that there´s not many places where you can go and audition, the big electronic stores doesn´t have the most Hi-End brands, they have mostly commercial stuff, like Bose, so then you have to read reviews and ask around to see what´s better or not, the speakers I´m thinking on getting them here: hifishop24.de, maybe if you have some time you can look around and see what you can recommend to me, a nice person around adviced me to get the KEF 600 sub, but still don´t know how good it is to have for example Veritas up front, a different center brand, a different sub brand, and different brands on rears, don´t know how conviniet would it be...?
post #33 of 132
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

As far as Yamaha vs Denon receiver quality I think Yamaha makes one of the most reliable receivers around. I used to own a Yamaha receiver and never had a problem with it. I own two Denons now though because I like Audyssey MultEQ or MultEQ XT room calibration and they've been problem free too. But if you scour the forums I'd say the Yamaha has better reliability. That RX-V773 has a little more flexibility than the AVR 2113. If it eq'd the sub like the Denon does then I'd say its a no brainer but you have to step up to a higher model Yamaha to get that feature.

Is it worth it to sacrifice the Audyssy System over a Yamaha receiver? and which highers models would we be talking about? thanks for your help! really appreciate it.
post #34 of 132
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and after I decided for the Denon 2113, some sound engineer tells me the design in the Yamahas its better and I should change it, I´ve read that the YPAO has many problems that the Audyssey don´t have, so I really don´t know! help? :S

The Yamaha's are nice reliable receivers - I do not know of any major problems with YPAO.
Audyessy just has a bigger fan base.
post #35 of 132
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Is it worth it to sacrifice the Audyssy System over a Yamaha receiver? and which highers models would we be talking about? thanks for your help! really appreciate it.

Looks like the V773 has YPAO multi point, which means it should EQ the sub.

I would recommend not spending more to get the Yamaha. Put your money into better speakers and sub.

In response to your other post, subs do not need to match the same brand as the speakers. Pick the sub that fits the size of your room and your listening preferences. I just looked, and I can't find a Kef 600 sub.
post #36 of 132
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Looks like the V773 has YPAO multi point, which means it should EQ the sub.
I would recommend not spending more to get the Yamaha. Put your money into better speakers and sub.
In response to your other post, subs do not need to match the same brand as the speakers. Pick the sub that fits the size of your room and your listening preferences. I just looked, and I can't find a Kef 600 sub.

My mistake, its a Jamo 660 sub! sorry I feel a bit stupid now, just dont know about brands! redface.gif
post #37 of 132
Sub brand doesn't have to match the other speakers anyway....

many people buy subs from a dedicated subwoofer mfr like Hsu, SVS, Epik, Outlaw, Velodyne, etc.
post #38 of 132
i guess forget the energy speakers. if you like the cantons go for them. hear them all and see what you like best that also has a good price.
post #39 of 132
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i guess forget the energy speakers. if you like the cantons go for them. hear them all and see what you like best that also has a good price.

Hey! thanks for the reply, as I said the problem I´m facing now is that I can´t find a retailer where I can listen to all of the brands, I was able to listen to only one model of Cantons, no KEFs, no Energys, so I´m gessing that with the knowledge of the people around here I would be able to make the best desicion even spending a bit more money, it is important to have the same brand of fronts and center though right?.
post #40 of 132
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Sub brand doesn't have to match the other speakers anyway....
many people buy subs from a dedicated subwoofer mfr like Hsu, SVS, Epik, Outlaw, Velodyne, etc.

So I could have the Energys or Canton fronts, and the Jamo sub and it won´t affect the sound negatively?
post #41 of 132
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Hey! thanks for the reply, as I said the problem I´m facing now is that I can´t find a retailer where I can listen to all of the brands, I was able to listen to only one model of Cantons, no KEFs, no Energys, so I´m gessing that with the knowledge of the people around here I would be able to make the best desicion even spending a bit more money, it is important to have the same brand of fronts and center though right?.

Yes. You want to match the front left, right, and center. It's important for the front sound stage. Should typically not only be the same brand, but the same speaker line.
post #42 of 132
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So I could have the Energys or Canton fronts, and the Jamo sub and it won´t affect the sound negatively?

Not at all. I've got an Energy sub with my Jamo speakers.
post #43 of 132
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Yes. You want to match the front left, right, and center. It's important for the front sound stage. Should typically not only be the same brand, but the same speaker line.

Sorry, but what do you mean with the same speaker line? same models? same size?
post #44 of 132
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Ok guys, so I´ve spent the whole day trying to find a place where I can actually try KEF or Klipsch speakers with no success, as I said, in the mayor electronic and department stores you´ll find the most selling brands for the average consumer, B&W, BOSE, Sony, JBL, nothing that would actually interest me.

So after spending the last 3 hours reading pro reviews in internet and user reviews in Amazon, pricetag, etc, I´ve narrowed my search over these:

- KEF Q300 or Klipsch RB51/81 II for the fronts (does the size between these two make much difference in the sound?)
maybe Energy Veritas..?
- Read awesome reviews over Klipsch center speakers...
- No idea about subs...

Have found many many great reviews about the KEF due to its engineering and design, people say great stuff about the sound they achieved by monuting the tweeter as they did, I really really like how the Klipsch looks though, but if one is looking for sound quality, the looks is the less important I think.

I´ve read that the Klipsch are extremely edgy on the highs, I wanted to describe to you guys the kind of sound I´m looking for; have you ever had speakers or sound systems on where in the moment you play a song from a CD for example, it has such an awesome fidelity that you may actually discover new sounds or instruments in the song that you didn´t hear before even though you´ve heard that song thousand times? Well, thats the kind of sound I´m looking for, cristal clear, love the great detailed highs, though I don´t want them to be noisy when turned the volume very high, so I´m really hoping tha gurus around here could give me a sign!


Oh! and finally decided to keep the Denon, if someday I need more ins and outs, more power or whatever, I might give Yamaha a try, but I don´t think Denon is gonna let me down.


Thanks again for your help guys! however the final desicion is, promise to upload some pics of the final home theater, as well as some recordings using my condenser mic.
post #45 of 132
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Any thoughts guys? I´m starting to develope a "frustration" feeling around it, damn! so hard not to know!
post #46 of 132
I'd vote for the Kef's. As you point out, some people find the Klipsch fatiguing. The Kef's seem the safer choice unless you can actually demo the two.
post #47 of 132
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I'd vote for the Kef's. As you point out, some people find the Klipsch fatiguing. The Kef's seem the safer choice unless you can actually demo the two.

cel4145 what did you mean with speakers from the same line?
post #48 of 132
since you gave up on the idea of replacing the avr (wisely), that gives you more money to spend on speakers... smile.gif

since you are looking for detailed highs, have you listened to any speakers with a well implemented ribbon tweeter?

i, for one, don't care for the "klipsch sound", but many do... you gotta spend a bit of time with them to make sure you like them...
post #49 of 132
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Originally Posted by derneustart View Post

cel4145 what did you mean with speakers from the same line?

The Kef Q series speakers all match up. But don't mix the Kef C series in with the Kef Q series for the front sound stage.
post #50 of 132
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The Kef Q series speakers all match up. But don't mix the Kef C series in with the Kef Q series for the front sound stage.

Oh! now I understand! you mean like the same model line! also can´t mix the Q300 with a Klipsch center per example right?
post #51 of 132
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since you gave up on the idea of replacing the avr (wisely), that gives you more money to spend on speakers... smile.gif
since you are looking for detailed highs, have you listened to any speakers with a well implemented ribbon tweeter?
i, for one, don't care for the "klipsch sound", but many do... you gotta spend a bit of time with them to make sure you like them...

See, that´s the thing, haven´t been able to try them outpeople say htat the KEF´s are more "multiuse" and reviews speaks awesome about KEFs, putting them over the Klipsch 61/81 models, but I don´t know, as I said I´m looking for detail, crips highs yet great sense of stage
post #52 of 132
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Originally Posted by derneustart View Post

Oh! now I understand! you mean like the same model line! also can´t mix the Q300 with a Klipsch center per example right?

Definitely do not mix speaker brands. Some speaker lines within the same brand are close enough that they might could work, but generally stay with the same line. You could use the Q900 for the center channel if you wanted to biggrin.gif
post #53 of 132
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Definitely do not mix speaker brands. Some speaker lines within the same brand are close enough that they might could work, but generally stay with the same line. You could use the Q900 for the center channel if you wanted to biggrin.gif

So don´t mix speaker brands, but for subwoofers it won´t matter? and how about rear speakers? should they be also the same brand? would it make much difference if I decide to keep the AM6 temporary for the rears, and have the KEFs/Klipsch upfront?
post #54 of 132
Nope. Subwoofer doesn't matter all.

It's less important that rear speakers match the front. Can make a noticeable difference if you want to watch blu-ray concerts or musicals. Otherwise, doesn't have nearly the negative impact as mismatching the front sound stage.
post #55 of 132
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Nope. Subwoofer doesn't matter all.
It's less important that rear speakers match the front. Can make a noticeable difference if you want to watch blu-ray concerts or musicals. Otherwise, doesn't have nearly the negative impact as mismatching the front sound stage.

So, is the KEF sound as cristal clear as the Klipsch sound?
post #56 of 132
i don't like the highs in the klipsch speakers for music. the klipsch speakers sound good for watching movies i think though. b&w sounds good to me fir some models, but for the money I like other brands that are cheaper and still sound great. the guy from ups who delivered my polk audio sub woofer asked of I am going to hook up all polk speakers for surround sound. I told him that I am just using it for music only for now, but eventually movies later. he said that it's not god to have different speaker brands for surround sound. he said that the sound frequencies might get off balance. he said that he bought all klipsch system and loves it. I have mixed brands before in the past for surround sound and it sounded okay. the old me used to watch movies a lot. I barely watch movies anymore and care more about music. I listen to the radio and compact disc a lot. the only kef speakers that I heard were several thousand dollars. I heard that some people weren't happy with the cheaper kef speaker models. I am sure that they sound fine, but whatever brand that you choose I hope that it sounds good to you.
post #57 of 132
if money gets tight you can always buy the sub later or you may decide that you don't need a sub at all. some speakers sound pretty good with bass without a sub. I waited a long time before buying a sub.
post #58 of 132
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if money gets tight you can always buy the sub later or you may decide that you don't need a sub at all. some speakers sound pretty good with bass without a sub. I waited a long time before buying a sub.

Thanks for the advise! I´ve been reading that the KEFs are actually pretty good in bass themselves, my livingroom/bedroom is not so big, around 25-30sqm, Can I ask you why you personally don´t like the Klipsch sound?

Does someone know the desing difference between KEF and Klipsch speakers?


Thanks again guys!
post #59 of 132
Just by looking at them Klipsch uses horn tweeters and KEF uses a Uni-Q design which is more like a coaxial speaker. My experience with several Klipsch speakers has been ear fatiguing highs.
post #60 of 132
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Does someone have any experience with the Q300? or the Klipsch 81?
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