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post #31 of 133
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post


It sure isn't too bright on my 118" wide 2.35:1 screen. Once Alan Gouger gets you hooked on a bright projector picture, theres no going back ! cool.gif

Thanks for the info Craig!! I plan to definitely have a longer throw distance, but I am not entirely sure how much larger a screen size I will get. Depends on my share of the renovation budget! Good to know that a Lumis could still be in my future.

Kevin
post #32 of 133
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Originally Posted by Kevin Snyder View Post

It seems to me that as time has passed, evaluation of projector quality has devolved into the single metric of on/off contrast. I find this to be particularly prevalent in the 3000k + forum, where many do not see the value of more expensive home cinema or dci projectors.

Do you see value in a DCI projector for your 115" screen?
post #33 of 133
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Originally Posted by rabident View Post

Do you see value in a DCI projector for your 115" screen?

Doubtful.

Hell, I'm worried about a Lumis being too bright!!

I'm hopeful, though, that I'll be able to have a much larger screen and then will certainly consider a DCI projector.
post #34 of 133
With about 500 hours on my bulb, the picture is perfect - not too bright ( about 20 foot lamberts with the trim iris wide open and the bulb power cranked to max - I like it at 20 FL ). And while I thought it couldn't get any better, that darned little Darbee Darblet made the Lumis look even better. Who knew !! smile.gif
post #35 of 133
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Originally Posted by Kevin Snyder View Post

Thanks for the info Craig!! I plan to definitely have a longer throw distance, but I am not entirely sure how much larger a screen size I will get. Depends on my share of the renovation budget! Good to know that a Lumis could still be in my future.
Kevin

I am using AT 170", 2.37:1 screen ( it should be unity gain at the most ) with Lumis host and am quite happy with it
post #36 of 133
I think after they build Lumis they reached the end of the line.smile.gif

either way I can't afford it anyway. Right I am happy with Sim2C3X 720p.
post #37 of 133
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Originally Posted by Kevin Snyder View Post

Doubtful.
Hell, I'm worried about a Lumis being too bright!!
I'm hopeful, though, that I'll be able to have a much larger screen and then will certainly consider a DCI projector.

I already knew it - with my Sim2 C3X1080 DLP projector. The picture improvement, essential better natural 3D focus, is quite amazing!!@@@
post #38 of 133
Without a large screen to fill there is less real need for a highend projector. Big screens go in big rooms. Very few people spend the money to have a room large enough to comfortably accommodate a 15' wide screen.

You can be an audiophile in an apartment with a spare bedroom. The barrier for entry is lower for audio, so more people can participate.
post #39 of 133
What I miss are pictures from Dila`s compared to Sims 2 to show the differences, and why a 3 chip DLP is more expensive then a 3 chip Dila
post #40 of 133
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Originally Posted by yin View Post

What I miss are pictures from Dila`s compared to Sims 2 to show the differences, and why a 3 chip DLP is more expensive then a 3 chip Dila

I think many of the differences need to be experienced firsthand. I do recall a post early in the life of the Lumis regarding a comparison test with, at that time, the current iteration of the JVC series. This may have been done by Wolfgang? What was so striking was the field uniformity of the Lumis in relation to the JVC and, in fact, the better apparent black level on the projected image. Again, the JVC has gone through several generations since then, but that test was remarkable.

I will try to hunt the post down, but any help would be appreciated!!!

Kevin
post #41 of 133
It's also a small group here. Most have nice projectors and the conversation may not get started unless it is time to replace one.
post #42 of 133
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What I miss are pictures from Dila`s compared to Sims 2 to show the differences, and why a 3 chip DLP is more expensive then a 3 chip Dila

Why 3 chip DLP cost more has been discussed many times. And unfortunately, I think screen shots are generally worthless. You need to see the projectors in person.
post #43 of 133
Art,

Did you ever get a look at the Meridian 810 (JVC 4K DILA with 3K-4K lumens for those unfamiliar with this projector)? Just wondering. Not trying to start a DLP vs DILA debate. As far as it's outrageous $180K list price, it might be had for much much less going the demo/used route.

What about Sony's new 4K machine? It is well liked by Wolfgang - but probably not bright enough for your large screen. But it's enormous contrast ratio (compared to your 5000) might be able to pull off an enjoyable image in your light controlled theater once the eyes adjust.

Paul
post #44 of 133
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

I have come to the conclusion that people are in firm belief that JVC projectors are as good as it gets.
I've had 4 front projectors. My first one was a 720p 3 LCD panel Sanyo that was very bright. I also paid $20,000+ for what was at the time the state of the art Sony Qualia, which I dearly loved, but became frustrated when the power board needed to be replaced.

The projector I have now - the JVC RS 25 - throws the absolute best picture ever, is totally reliable, and a great value. For my setup, it has all the light output I need.
post #45 of 133
Thread Starter 
Never saw the 810 just the Sony so far but it had intrascene CR defiencies and color that wasn't as good as DLP.

Art
post #46 of 133
I have a JVC RS 55 with Lumagen VP (and a Darbee) on a 1.3 gain StudioTec in a light controlled room on a120 inch screen and an anamorphic lens.

More than bright enough and a spectacular picture with deep blacks. I have zero reason to spend more. And in 5 years when I want to upgrade, I will be able to get more for less.

Is a $20k pj better than what I have? Sure is but in my room with my screen not worth it to me as the technology gets better and better (much faster than improvements in high end audio) so I am willing to NOT have the very best at any instant in time.
post #47 of 133
I auditioned the most current JVC, sony at the time I was about to buy the projector ( about 2 yrs ago ). Sim HT5000e with ISCOIII to me was unbelievable, but I ended up getting Lumis HOST with ISCOIII because of the cost difference. I wouldn't even use Sony, JVC in the same sentence as Sim2 HT5000.
post #48 of 133
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Originally Posted by J.Mike Ferrara View Post

I've had 4 front projectors. My first one was a 720p 3 LCD panel Sanyo that was very bright. I also paid $20,000+ for what was at the time the state of the art Sony Qualia, which I dearly loved, but became frustrated when the power board needed to be replaced.
The projector I have now - the JVC RS 25 - throws the absolute best picture ever, is totally reliable, and a great value. For my setup, it has all the light output I need.

I've owned three JVCs. the RS10, the RS20, and the X3 (RS40), while they do put out great black levels, I think there is a lot to be desired in a few areas, Motion is my big pet peeve with JVC. They need to follow Sony's initiative and redesign their chip. While sharpness is fantastic for a three chip solution, I just love how a single chip DLP paired with a great lens looks. My Marantz VP-11S1 is a great example. The 2D image has this amazing 3D pop to it that the JVCs can't match. The JVC has this flat look to the image. My X3 had perfect convergence ( I posted a few pictures in another thread) and it was still a bit lack luster in the sharpness department. High ANSI contrast is another reason DLP also puts out a nicer picture in my opinion.
post #49 of 133
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Originally Posted by waterm3732 View Post

What about Sony's new 4K machine? It is well liked by Wolfgang - but probably not bright enough for your large screen. But it's enormous contrast ratio (compared to your 5000) might be able to pull off an enjoyable image in your light controlled theater once the eyes adjust.
Paul
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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

i use the sony together with the isco anamorphic lens 1.25 for all what is 2d.


the big barcos for all what is 3d.

Likes it enough to use as his primary projector for 2D it sounds like. The quote was from his Barco 4k double stack thread in the DCI forum.
post #50 of 133
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Originally Posted by rabident View Post

Likes it enough to use as his primary projector for 2D it sounds like. .

I sure don't get that one. The Sony is a POS compared to DLP despite the pixel visibility difference.
Edited by nuts of iron - 11/24/12 at 6:04am
post #51 of 133
Thread Starter 
I hear there will be several smaller 4K units from both LCoS and DLP manufacturers in the next few months.

Art
post #52 of 133
What do you mean by "smaller"?
post #53 of 133
You can put it in the back of you pickup 2 ton.
post #54 of 133
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

What do you mean by "smaller"?

DCI compatible 4K similar in size to Titan and Teatro units.

Art
post #55 of 133

Probably not 'smaller' in $$.

post #56 of 133
Well Wolfgang has isues like lamp use, he has to put even wear on both Barco's. And a stack is too bright in 2D on his medium size screen.
post #57 of 133
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Probably not 'smaller' in $$.

Than the large 4K units, yes.


Art
Edited by Art Sonneborn - 11/24/12 at 8:39pm
post #58 of 133
I do not think CM was who he said he was.

Re new machines, obviously Sim2 has come out with the Solo line and Sony the VPL-vw1000es. The problem is that most who go for high end projectors have severe penis envy when it comes to screen size and like adolescent young men keep chasing a theater with a larger bust whoops larger and larger screen. The Sony just doesn't have enough horse power to light those up.

My screen is only a 110' D at 1.78 with top and bottom masking for higher aspect ratios. The Sony has more than enough brightness for that and easily trumped the Lumis if nor no other reason that a better lens and 4K.
The brightness enabled me to switch out my Stdeotec 130 for the Snomatt 100 or Studeotec 100 if you will. The screen fabric change improved everything except ultimate brightness tremendously. Actually things got so scarily realistic, a whole nother level, that I would never get a gain screen again. Yet here we in our effort for bigness in screen size often use 130 as the holy grail. I can't stress enough how much more realistic the image is with the 100. The screen fabric just disappears. But the 3d is noticeably dimmer on the 100 when lit with my feeble 1000ES..

New projectors are coming but they won't be sold through the traditional high end chain. The Red 4K projector is coming but it will only be sold direct and will require a screen with a high polarization extinction ratio (silver screen like, if you will) for 3D. to do it right that means a two screen solution because silver screens suck for 2D and Sony has announced a 4K DCI projector with somethig like 6000 lumens and a built in content server for around street price $40K. This is designed for small commercial theaters but will have HDMI inputs. I suspect many here will be buying it if they have the cash in today's economy. But it will be sold by consumer dealers. More when this is realeased and how to get it.

4K content is coming very rapidy and Sony has stated that they will be suppying a decent bit of 4K content and a 4K content delivery system to purchasers of its 4K panel for free. Hopefully, 1000ES owners will get it for free or be able to buy it.

More significantly the Redray player and server are coming very very shortly. Red has stated that they will have the details recost, ordering etc announced on the 30th. More importantly Red has partnered with a4k content distributor to also be announced on Friday and the server will be built into the Redray player.

Clearly, we are rapidly approaching obsolence of our 2K machines when true 4K or 4HD cintent becomes readily available. Sony I suspect will shortly be issuing 4K content from a Bluray like format. Onecan babble that 4K is not needed in a big boy theater and that may be true with only 2K sources, but even then those with large penises, there I go again, large screens would clearly benefit from 4K now. .

My guess is that the TO we be one of the first to sample the new Sony projector and will end up buying it.

Art hasn't had a party in so long that we simply have to get him a new projctor so we can all get together and fruit pizza down at his house. It would be nice to see all those chairs occupied in his HT.

And Amirm you may be able to live here in this mixture but its more like going to a strip club very frequently, so they tell me, rather than living at one. I have no idea what that means, I just couldn't come up with anything to say in response but still had to fire off a popgun response .smile.gif
Edited by mark haflich - 11/25/12 at 10:30am
post #59 of 133
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I do not think CM was who he said he was.
Re new machines, obviously Sim2 has come out with the Solo line and Sony the VPL-vw1000es. The problem is that most who go for high end projectors have severe peinis envy when it comes to screen size and like adolescent young men keep chasing a theater with a larger bust whoops larger and larger screen. The Sony just doesn't have enough horse power to light those up.
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What a silly statement to make
I used to have 115" wide 16:9 AR screen before my current setup . The biggest upgrade I perceived when going to my new theater was 170" wide screen and 2.37:1 AR with ISCO. When sitting in the second row ( approx 20 Ft) , I wish I could have even bigger screen. When I go to friends theaters who have 100-110" diagonal screens, it seems like I am watching a big screen TV again. You don't involve enough of peripheral vision at that size to get immersive experience that you get with bigger screen. It has nothing to do with envy or whatever your perception is. If you look at my posts from couple of years ago when I bought Lumis , I didnt think it as a huge upgrade from my infocus IN83, when I was using it on my previous screen . But once I moved to new setup , there was no comparison. In my transition the bigger and scope screen were the most noticeable upgrades with speakers, audio processors, make of a projector or resolution as distant second and thirds ( as long as PJ has enough light to light the screen). You just get more cinema like experience. Otherwise why bother going to IMAX if its all about "severe peinis envy"....smile.gif
post #60 of 133
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mani View Post

What a silly statement to make)

You just have to understand that Mark's pathetically small genitalia (by his own repeated admission) predisposes him to outbursts replete with silliness,it's a compensation technique.
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