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post #1 of 24
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Am I behind times when it comes to the way I watch TV? Am I paying too much to be able to watch everything I want to? I keep hearing people talk about things like Google TV and Amazon Video. I currently pay close to $100 a month for dish network. But then every once in a while I'll come across a thread where people are laughing saying they'd never pay for satellite cause its way too expensive and you can just watch what you want by finding it online.

Is all that true? Or is it more of a pain than its worth? Something tells me that the major satellite and cable providers do a much better job at cobbling all the networks and programs together, in one easily understood and usable package, than "the internet" does. Am I wrong here? Is there some website I don't know about and you can just type in any show you want and watch it whenever you want? All the way up to the very latest episode? I'm starting to feel like I must be missing something here. What are the disadvantages to cancelling your paid TV service and just using the internet to watch TV?
post #2 of 24
If you watch most of the channels you're getting and are happy with what you are getting then don't worry about it.
Cable and Dish and Direct TV are still the most foolproof way to get TV. Other methods can work but are not for people who don't like to fiddle around with things. And if live sports are your thing then you need cable or sattelite.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by WaycoolJr View Post

Am I paying too much to be able to watch everything I want to?

Only you can make that determination.

Posted the quote below sometime back. PBS switched from DVB-S to DVB-S2 so I am in the process of procuring DVB-S2 satellite equipment. I have added Amazon Prime, Vudu and Netflix streaming. Use streaming for casual use only. Main use for Amazon Prime is for 2 day shipping, Vudu is to expensive and Netflix will be cancelled soon. IMO, streaming is one big CF.

In 1997 I quit smoking and have used that money to purchase DVD (stopped 2004), D-VHS (stopped 2006) and Blu-ray. Dropped Dish in 2006 and have used money saved for Blu-ray disc. So my monthly cost is $16.99 for Blockbuster By-Mail. The ONLY thing I miss is live boxing. Dexter, Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones, The Borgias, etc. come via Blu-ray disc.
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Had DirecTV from 1994 to 2004, Dish Network from 2004 to 2006.


My viewing is from DVD and Blu-ray library, Blockbuster By-Mail, D-VHS, OTA and FTA satellite*. Have several TB of HD stored on Hds.


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*For programming available via C-Band the equipment cost can be substantial because of the size of the dish needed (9-12 feet). For programming available via Ku band the equipment cost can be much less because a 1 meter (39") dish will suffice in most locations.


The cost of FTA will be determined by your technical skills. If you can do the work yourself then the investment for a single satellite Ku band install can be several hundred dollars, a for hire C-Band install can be several thousand dollars.


The following are links: LyngSat which shows the satellites with FTA programming. Forums: Satellite Forums and Satellite Guys. Dealers: DVB Resource, Summit Source, Sadoun, Future Vision Satellite. More info: TSReader, TSReader Hardware List.


My interest is in HD so that pretty much limits me to PBS on AMC-21 satellite. Click the Red and Green in my signature line for more info.
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by tenthplanet View Post

Cable and Dish and Direct TV are still the most foolproof way to get TV. Other methods can work but are not for people who don't like to fiddle around with things. And if live sports are your thing then you need cable or satellite.

It's not entirely true that you can't get live sports thru the internet using a media player. I have a Roku 2XS with Playon installed on my laptop. With the use of certain plugins/scripts i have installed on the Playon platform i can watch Baseball,Basketball,Football(they even have NFL redzone),Soccer,Wrestling,Boxing,and MMA all "LIVE" as they happen.They even show cool stuff like professional Dart throwing,and professional Pool playing contests(you can't get those with cable/sat.), usually from the UK. Today for example, i have my choice of 12 diff. football games, 6 diff.basketball games,6 soccer games and 2 professional Dart throwing contests if i so choose to watch, plus other scheduled sports events from around the world,'course i only watch those foreign events that are broadcast in English. Am also able to watch certain PPV games.Last week i watched a PPV WWE wrestling event that normally cost $45.00 but i was able to watch for free.Yesterday i watched the WBA heavyweight championship boxing match:Klitchko vs.Wach fight from Hamburg,Germany,"LIVE",i'll bet that wasn't on cable/sat.,unless it was a PPV event. I used to have Dish satellite that cost me $96.00/mo.,but i "cut the cord" and now i only pay for Netflix,and Hulu plus,which costs me a whopping $16.00/mo. i also use Vudu,and Amazon from time to time,and have about 15 other free sources for movies,documentaries,and other tv programs over the internet that i watch now and then. I also get "LIVE" news, ie;CNN,MSNBC,and FoxNewsLive,plus i can also get my current local weather forecast. Oh, if religion is your thing,then you can find tons of it streaming on the internet,all for free. I don't feel that i'm missin' a thing by dropping pay tv. IF i were interested in the current prime time fare offered by the big four networks,i also have a small antenna hanging in my window for OTA reception those channels,all in HD of course. So when you read/hear people say that you "CAN'T" get this,or you "CAN'T" get that w/o cable/sat.....well,IMO those people are..... misinformed.
Edited by greaser - 11/11/12 at 12:45pm
post #5 of 24
The most accurate statement is you can't duplicate pay-TV for any amount. However you can replace it for less... replace as in a different experience. If it's one you can justify or enjoy as much is entirely personal.
post #6 of 24
You can get anything you want at the internet restaurant!! smile.gifsmile.gifcool.gifwink.gif
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by greaser View Post

You can get anything you want at the internet restaurant!! smile.gifsmile.gifcool.gifwink.gif

 

Go over your cap and you'll still pay, though. wink.gif

post #8 of 24
^^^ I'm lucky that way. I have one of the few ISP's that doesn't impose any caps! tongue.gif
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Go over your cap and you'll still pay, though. wink.gif

While the majority of home broadband users have capped service, I think 40% of home users are without caps. TWC and Verizion are two fairly large isps without caps. So uncapped service isn't that rare. I happen to have upcapped internet from WOW! (Wide Open West).

I have Dish Network also ($77 per month) and I really enjoy it. But my family and I didn't have any pay-tv service for almost 20 years and didn't really miss it. We sure bought and rented a lot of vhs/dvd's though. And we jumped on Netflix, both mail order and later streaming (still have streaming) when it came out. Hell, my kids still do the majority of their tv viewing through streaming and dvd/bds.
Edited by mhufnagel - 11/12/12 at 12:32pm
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

The most accurate statement is you can't duplicate pay-TV for any amount. However you can replace it for less... replace as in a different experience. If it's one you can justify or enjoy as much is entirely personal.

Charles,i think that's an excellent way of stating the situation,because that is exactly what i have been able to do. I didn't "duplicate", i "replaced" my tv viewing experience for the better cuz now i have much,much more of what I want to watch(more than i knew i would ever be able to watch on the internet) w/o having to pay for 300 channels that i'll never watch,and being chained to whatever cable/sat. has to offer,and i get almost all of it for free..... At least for now. rolleyes.gif
Edited by greaser - 11/12/12 at 1:53pm
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by mhufnagel View Post

While the majority of home broadband users have capped service, I think 40% of home users are without caps.

I have CenturyLink for my ISP. I know a lot of people complain about CenturyLink service,but problems have been rare,and i have never had a problem with their service that wasn't resolved very quickly,and they have no usage caps. smile.gif my down speed is ~8mgbts., more than enough for streaming HD video.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by greaser View Post

I didn't "duplicate", i "replaced" my tv viewing experience for the better cuz now i have much,much more of what I want to watch(more than i knew i would ever be able to watch on the internet) w/o having to pay for 300 channels that i'll never watch,and being chained to whatever cable/sat. has to offer,and i get almost all of it for free..... At least for now. rolleyes.gif

To a large degree content isn't the (total) story. The viewing experience isn't the same. I have three or more years of cord cutting behind me and the lack of content is one thing. How you obtain and view online content is another. I won't address the dark side even though it has various drawbacks. For starters you have to put up with commercials... almost enough for me to drop the series. Not to mention wait until if and when the networks decide to grace Hulu, another site or their own. Only to disappear at some undisclosed time.

Sure you could purchase it via Apple, Amazon or other avenue and even obtain fairly high quality audio and video. However almost instantly I'd be spending more than pay-TV would ever think of charging. smile.gif Throw in very lousy audio and video with the free stuff and your experience isn't even close. So much so I'm convinced (to a large degree) one doesn't choose to drop pay-TV rather the cost of such dictates the decision. In my case the first time I cut the cord I went TiVo throughout the house and this time WMC. Both times I justified the cost as offsetting. I was simply ready to dabble.
post #13 of 24
Does Hulu or Hulu Plus have commercials? What do these cost per month? Thanks.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by Jim McC View Post

Does Hulu or Hulu Plus have commercials? What do these cost per month? Thanks.

Yes on both. Hulu is free... Plus $8 or so. Even worse is they repeat the same few commercials endlessly... years ago I watched a season of 24 on Hulu Plus and after seeing the same commercials more times than I could count I haven't been back. smile.gif TiVo even gave me six months free which I never used. For free (Hulu) I'll suffer through them for a couple of series when the DVR is empty...
post #15 of 24
Yes, I hate Hulu due to the crappy commercials. If I'm PAYING for a service include commercials if you want but let me skip them if I want. With Directv, I pay for that and get mega amounts of commercial, 99% of which I never watch because I use the 30 second skip button. If Hulu allowed skipping commercials I might reconsider, but at this point never again will I pay to be forced to watch commercials.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by Matt L View Post

If I'm PAYING for a service include commercials if you want but let me skip them if I want. With Directv, I pay for that and get mega amounts of commercial, 99% of which I never watch because I use the 30 second skip button.

I understand commercials lower the cost you pay so I'm fine with them doing such. However using DVRs for over a decade I'm far too sensitive to commercials and if I am forced to watch them the show must be rather high on my priority list. With WMC I use auto-skip which is even nicer than manually skipping and adds even more to the experience (or takes a way less).
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by greaser View Post

Charles,i think that's an excellent way of stating the situation,because that is exactly what i have been able to do. I didn't "duplicate", i "replaced" my tv viewing experience for the better cuz now i have much,much more of what I want to watch(more than i knew i would ever be able to watch on the internet) w/o having to pay for 300 channels that i'll never watch,and being chained to whatever cable/sat. has to offer,and i get almost all of it for free..... At least for now. rolleyes.gif

I've been married for 24 years and have had pay-tv for nearly three years now. My kids (20 & 17) grew up watching tv series either from ota recordings, or vhs/dvd and later streaming. To them (and my wife and I) cable/satellite is nice, but not needed. Sure it's not a duplicate, but it is a replacement. Look at it this way. Would you rather save some money and watch programming a year later or not? Are you ok with a free 480p stream or do you want to pay for HD or pay more to own? Do you watch a lot of live sporting events? We're actually looking at "cutting the cord", and the options today are far better than even three years ago. You just have to make some (sometimes) tough decisions.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by Jim McC View Post

Does Hulu or Hulu Plus have commercials? What do these cost per month? Thanks.

Hulu is a free service and does have commercials,but fewer than cable/sat. channels. The commercials is how Hulu makes its money. Hulu plus costs $8.000/mo.I use Hulu Plus to watch movies and have never seen commercials while watching movies. I've never watched any tv shows on Hulu Plus so i don't know if there are commercials or not. IIRC Hulu Plus streams in 720p.,as does Crackle,which is another good free source for movies.Crackle shows a commercial before the movie,and a very few during a movie,but waaaay fewer than what you get with cable/sat. but the movies themselves are uncut and unedited. If i absolutely do not want to see the commercials then i record the movie to the HDD of one of my DVDR's,then either skip the commercials or edit them out, then watch....whichever way happens to "float my boat" at the time,and if a movie is really good then i can burn it to disc and keep it,cuz there are no DRM problems with Crackle....at least not yet. cool.gif the same is true with Hulu Plus.
Edited by greaser - 11/13/12 at 7:55am
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Matt L View Post

Yes, I hate Hulu due to the crappy commercials. If I'm PAYING for a service include commercials if you want but let me skip them if I want. With Directv, I pay for that and get mega amounts of commercial, 99% of which I never watch because I use the 30 second skip button. If Hulu allowed skipping commercials I might reconsider, but at this point never again will I pay to be forced to watch commercials.

Matt, are you talking about Hulu or Hulu Plus?? Hulu is free and has commercials,but i've never seen them while watching movies on Hulu Plus. AFA commercial skipping goes,well i used to have DishNet and paid $96.00/mo. and in my estimation paying that much money just to have the pleasure of being able to skip commercials with a DVR isn't anywhere near being worth the cost that i paid Dish.
Edited by greaser - 11/13/12 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by greaser View Post

I can get everything i want at the Internet Restaurant

If you are advocating illegal access to content, regardless of method, then you are in violation of AVS rules which could get you suspended or banned from AVS.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

If you are advocating illegal access to content, regardless of method, then you are in violation of AVS rules which could get you suspended or banned from AVS.

Wendell is correct. Piracy or illegal access to in store or on-line products is not to be discussed on AVS. It's a quick way to lose your access to posting.
post #22 of 24
One trick I used to use when watching LOST! on ABCGO was to move the slider all the way into the last segment. That forced all the commercials to play immediately. About enough time to make popcorn. Then move the slider back to the beginning and the show played through without interruption.
post #23 of 24
As other said it is all about what you can put up with, I noticed that honestly no one in my house had any sort of absolute need for any specific item. So I cut the cable, they just started watching more netflix, then I cut the netflix, and right now they are watching amazon prime instant video, so ya my tv bill is now essentially zero, I would have amazon prime anyway. None of them notice anything really they just find new series to get into and new sources for video, amazing how motivated humans can be when bored. You can find a ton of shows online too will it be every show, na. So all that you really do is need to say what do I need, actually ask yourself if someone walked up to you and asked you to select the items you want ala carte would you be willing to pay 1200$ for them for your year of viewing pleasure?
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by WaycoolJr View Post

Am I behind times when it comes to the way I watch TV? Am I paying too much to be able to watch everything I want to? I keep hearing people talk about things like Google TV and Amazon Video. I currently pay close to $100 a month for dish network. But then every once in a while I'll come across a thread where people are laughing saying they'd never pay for satellite cause its way too expensive and you can just watch what you want by finding it online.
Is all that true? Or is it more of a pain than its worth? Something tells me that the major satellite and cable providers do a much better job at cobbling all the networks and programs together, in one easily understood and usable package, than "the internet" does. Am I wrong here? Is there some website I don't know about and you can just type in any show you want and watch it whenever you want? All the way up to the very latest episode? I'm starting to feel like I must be missing something here. What are the disadvantages to cancelling your paid TV service and just using the internet to watch TV?

TBH I've thought about cutting the cord often, but after actually seeing what's involved and the ease of just pressing a button on the remote I stay with cable. Like others have said you can't duplicate the experience you can only replace it. To legally even get close to the experience I have with cable it would cost me more than I pay now and that's just cable, not internet. If I dropped cable my internet would shoot up and after nickle-and-diming programming here and there it's not worth it for me. I pay roughly $100/month for my cable/internet bundle ($50 for each) and for me that's not a bad deal. Yes, others laugh and I say let them. If it works for them, great. It doesn't work for everybody.
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