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post #121 of 731
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Originally Posted by badyelloevette View Post

The "flashlighting" is pretty bad in the corners on the 7200 I bought from HH Greg's yesterday. Just trying to decide to exchange it or not. Would I have any luck finding one that is better, or is it just the luck of the draw?

It's just luck of the draw. In my opinion, this set has very poor quality control.
post #122 of 731
I just picked up a Samsung UN60ES6100 from Best Buy for $1399. I'm going to try it out and make a decision between it and the LM7200 and return one of the two. It's 120hz and no 3D, but honestly, I always set the motion blur reduction settings on all my LED TVs to low or off, so I don't think I'm getting any benefit from the 240hz panel. In my opinion, the LM7200 handles things like football pretty poorly even on the lowest TruMotion setting. I really have no desire to watch anything in 3D either. I'll let you guys know what I end up deciding.
post #123 of 731
Just purchased the 7200. I am extremely happy with it (especially for the price $1699 at BB). I have noticed no flashlighting. The 3D is amazing and the passive glasses make 3D so much more accessible for the whole family.

One thing I've noticed is that movies almost look like their in video. This is my first LED, so maybe I just need to get used to it; however, I think maybe I have a setting wrong. Otherwise, very happy with my purchase.
post #124 of 731
What do you mean by "in video"? Is that a bad thing?
I'm considering buying the same tv, because I want to switch to LED.
post #125 of 731
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Originally Posted by johnthedeere View Post

What do you mean by "in video"? Is that a bad thing?
I'm considering buying the same tv, because I want to switch to LED.

He probably means SOE or "Soap Opera Effect". See the definition here.
post #126 of 731
I just picked up one of these guys at BB today. I have it hooked up via HDMI to a higher-end Windows 7 PC which is using WMC to stream cable from my HDHomeRun. Playing HD channels looks ok, DVDS and Netflix looks great, but SD channels are TERRIBLE! It seems to depend on what I'm watching but I had an older Christmas movie on and it seemed like the slightest bit of motion (people talking - mouths moving, heads turning, walking, etc) would cause a really aweful blur and pixelation. I previously had this same setup with an older Samsung DLP and didn't have these issues so I'm leaning towards it being a problem with the TV and not my PC or signal. I've been fiddling around with the settings but haven't found anything that has really helped.

Do you have any suggestions or settings I should try? I really don't want to have to take this thing back because I like everything except for the quality of the SD channels. Thanks!
post #127 of 731
has anybody messed around with the dual play feature? I'm wondering if you can use it on side-by-side pip so that you can have 2 different inputs overlaid. Then enable dual play and bam...one person can see the first input, the other can see the second input.

ex. first input tv with output from speakers. Second input with xbox with output from a gaming headset.
post #128 of 731
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Originally Posted by esaleris View Post

He probably means SOE or "Soap Opera Effect". See the definition here.

After reading this article, I turned off "True Motion" and voila! Picture is now perfect. The Soap Opera Effect was exactly what was happening. Thank you!!
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post #129 of 731
Samsung 60ES6100 is pretty awful. Worst flashlighting I've ever seen on a TV. Now I truly have no idea what to do. Maybe it's time for a plasma?
post #130 of 731
Playing around with MKV files and can confirm that they play fine off a USB drive and DTS is getting passed through to my receiver. I'm still working on getting the tv to stream mkv over dlna without transcoding. The 18GB MKV of The Dark Knight stuttered horribly bad with ps3 media server when it was transcoding over the wifi. If this set has 100mb ethernet it wouldn't matter anyways as I see almost 300mb/s in the opening scene of dark knight when I run it through my ps3.
post #131 of 731
Had a conversation with LG today regarding this set. Here is the transcript for most of the conversation. I thought it was interesting that he stated that the set would not run in 240hz unless 3d was turned on.


ME: Is the 7200 line replacing the 6200 line?
LG Rep: I would not say a replacement. I would just say its an addition to the LM series lineup
LG Rep: a top of the line model.
LG Rep: For the LM series
ME: Ok that makes more sense.
ME: So do you know where I can change the refresh rate within the system.
ME: Ive looked around and have been unable to change the refresh rate between 120 and 240..
LG Rep: You cant physically change it
LG Rep: You would have to activate trumotion for that.
ME: Ok so trumotion controls the refresh rate.
ME: I think their are four settings in truemotion.
LG Rep: Yep
ME: Off, clear and clear plus and user.
ME: which ones are at 120 vs 240?
LG Rep: Actually when on it goes up to 120hz
LG Rep: With 3D its 240hz
LG Rep: Under regular usage its 60hz
ME: so it only goes to 240 with 3d?
LG Rep: Yep
LG Rep: That's correct.
ME: Is their any way to tell what the hz is?
LG Rep: Nope. The TV will not say it, but just by the info I am sharing with you here
LG Rep: We learn this from training
LG Rep: but it will not actually state this on the TV itself.
LG Rep: Hopefully all this info helps out though
ME: Yes greatly..
LG Rep: Now, might there be anything else I could do for you today?
ME: Is the ethernet port 100Mb or Gigabit.
LG Rep: The ethernet port supports the connection itself.
ME: will the port sync up with a gigabit switch at 1000mb/s?
ME: It makes a difference for streaming content via DLNA.
LG Rep: Well the required connection speed would be from 3 to 5 mb/s... for it to run internet apps properly. As far as the ethernet port itself... I am verifying though on its capabilities.
ME: Ive tested streaming through this tv on wireless a/n at 70mb/s where it was chopping due to bandwidth.
LG Rep: Its a standard IEEE802.11a/b/g/n so it supports...
ME: Thats the wireless.
ME: the hardwired ethernet port is what I was asking about.
LG Rep: Ok LAN port standards..
LG Rep: I am checking because we don't hav that info handy.
LG Rep: So I am researching here.
ME: Your fine.
LG Rep: Its going to be 100mb/s
LG Rep: Its what I was able to find
LG Rep: Still with me?
ME: ok. thank you.
ME: Does this set come with both the magic remote and regular remote like the 7600.. Mine only came with magic remote.
ME: And which model of regular remote would I need to purchase?
LG Rep: Only comes with magic motion
LG Rep: the standard is purchased separately.
LG Rep: Currently all 2012 smart TVs only come with magic motion remotes
LG Rep: Standard remotes a purchased separately
LG Rep: are*
ME: Ok.
ME: also back to the 240hz thing.
LG Rep: Same goes for hz
LG Rep: Frequency.
LG Rep: Its the same for the TVs
LG Rep: models with 3D go up to 240hz
LG Rep: Otherwise only up to 120hz with trumotion activation
ME: both the 7600 and 7200 are using scanning backlight vs MEMC for 240hz?
LG Rep: refresh rate
LG Rep: 240hz refresh rate has nothing to do with the backlight.
LG Rep: It comes on only upon activating 3D
ME: To reduce blurring, most 120Hz LCD displays use a system called MEMC (motion estimation and motion compensation) to slip in a new frame between each of the original frames. The end result is one extra frame for every true frame. You'd think, then, that a 240Hz TV would just double this to achieve an even more blur-free picture. Alas, it's a little more complicated than that. The problem is that there are actually two different types of 240Hz, including one which doesn't bill itself as true 240Hz but rather as a "240Hz effect". Here's a breakdown of the two versions and which companies employ them. MEMC (motion estimation-motion compensation): Both Sony and Samsung's 240Hz sets use MEMC to basically double the 120Hz process described above. However, instead of getting one extra frame for each "true" frame, you actually get three extra frames. (See first take of the Sony KDL-46Z5500). Scanning backlight (240Hz effect): LG, Toshiba, and Vizio use what's called "scanning backlight" technology. Such TVs use MEMC once to get to 120Hz, but instead of doubling the interpolation, a backlight flashes on and off very quickly to achieve what Toshiba calls a "240Hz effect". LG, for its part, fails to make that distinction and uses the 240Hz term without qualification to describe its scanning backlight models.
LG Rep: That's Sony and Samsung.
LG Rep: As you see at the end: "LG, for its part, fails to make that distinction and uses the 240Hz term without qualification to describe its scanning backlight models."
LG Rep: Its because it uses 3D to increase refresh rate
LG Rep: But we don't have actual specifications to what technology causes the refresh rate to increase other than the 3D technology requiring the increase to be able to transmit the signal.
ME: Does it have to do with the input signal?
LG Rep: Well yes. The TV will detect if the signal would be 3D and can increase the refresh rate. But then again, the TV has a 2D to 3D feature which you would be able to select it as long as using HDMI 1.4 or high speed, and refresh rate goes up with the 2D to 3D conversion
ME: But the tv will never play 2d content at 240hz regardless of the signal unless you kick it into 3d mode.
LG Rep: Correct
LG Rep: You need to increase the signal from 2D to 3D
LG Rep: For the TV itself to boost up to 240hz. Only when on 3D.
ME: so 3d content from lets say 3d world being streamed would be in 120 or 240hz.
LG Rep: It goes up from 60hz to 240hz when 3D is activated
ME: and when you turn on truemotion with 2d content it goes to 120hz?
LG Rep: Yep
ME: Does LG have any LED tv's that can display 2d content at 240hz?
LG Rep: Nope
LG Rep: I am afraid not
ME: so what rate is the LM9600 which is marketed as a 480hz tv. It still cant do 2d content at anything more then 120hz.
LG Rep: Correct.
ME: Interesting.
ME: Well I appreciate your time..
ME: You have been very helpfull.
post #132 of 731
i was going to get the lg7600 but price recently went up then i red reviews on this VIERA TC-L47ET5 and this set does not paly that 60/120/240 rate as lg does this is a true 120 / 240
it does the 120x3 for 360 in 3d
i think this set will have the better pic
altough i really like the lg7600 frame almost frameless
also the viera can get amazon videos without the additional cost of adding a 100.00 box
post #133 of 731
I do like this set but the 60hz/240hz BS really makes me want to go get a panny gt50 instead. About 200 more price wise but I like auto calibration ability with the higher end panny sets.
post #134 of 731
i only need a 47" and i'm 95% positive i'm going with the VIERA TC-L47ET5 it is truely a 120hz. blacks r great reviews r also plus i can watch amazon vids on it without buying a add on internet box
post #135 of 731
Can someone who already bought the LM7200 tell me if it has HDMI ARC?
Thanks guys!
post #136 of 731
Thread Starter 
Hi,


The first HDMI input says ARC on it!
post #137 of 731
How much will the price be like on christmas?
post #138 of 731
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Originally Posted by divac View Post

How much will the price be like on christmas?
MAYBE AROUND $500.
post #139 of 731
Tks fventricle!!! Couldn't find any pics that show the back of the tv and no info on it no matter how much I searched....much appreciated!
post #140 of 731
We need someone knowledgeable and in possession of calibration gear to provide some settings for this specific version. The ones from the LM6200 thread don't quite cut it.. I'm sure there are panel differences in play..
post #141 of 731
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Originally Posted by RiverSide View Post

We need someone knowledgeable and in possession of calibration gear to provide some settings for this specific version. The ones from the LM6200 thread don't quite cut it.. I'm sure there are panel differences in play..

This is the calibrations forum where we disuses the process of calibrating displays with special software and light meters. No 2 TVs are alike,even 2 of the same models. So there are no recommended settings. There are advance options that require the special equipment and knowledge to use and as such things like white balance, CMS and 10 point gamma can not be adjusted without said equipment. And with the variances in part specs to copy settings is really pointless.

You can however download the AVS 709 disk from this forum and us it to adjust the user level settings which will go a long way to improving you image.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration/0_100
NOTE this disk is burned to a standard DVD and only plays back in a BR player
post #142 of 731
I am glad I gave this back just for this reason and got a Panasonic 55GT50 Plasma.Picture looks outstanding...
post #143 of 731
Taken with HTC one x phone. Bottom left corner is the only spot that I actually see the light from corner when watching.

Back light at 30 local dimming on high


Back light at 100 with local dimming off.
post #144 of 731
I just purchased a new Oppo Blu-Ray player and recently purchased a Denon 3D capable receiver. Now I'm looking for a 60" passive 3D HDTV. The LG 60LM7200 is in my budget and seems to have everything I need. I'm a little concerned though reading some of the post here. Many are satisfied but some are having issue with the screen. I currently own an almost 5 year old 58" Samsung plasma that still has a great picture. My question is for anyone coming from plasma going to this LG do you feel you are downgrading the viewing experience in regards to the solid blacks of plasma compared to the back lighting of LCD's? Also are there any other suggestion for 60" passive 3D sets? Thanks.
post #145 of 731
Eddie, this tv def doesn't have plasma blacks but its a great set with tons of features for an incredible price. It's a great picture and I'm sure anyone would tell you that all TVs have some problem sets. My screen uniformity is nice and I'm keeping this set as I will upgrade to new tech in a few years........hopefully
post #146 of 731
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Originally Posted by sass8181 View Post

Eddie, this tv def doesn't have plasma blacks but its a great set with tons of features for an incredible price. It's a great picture and I'm sure anyone would tell you that all TVs have some problem sets. My screen uniformity is nice and I'm keeping this set as I will upgrade to new tech in a few years........hopefully

Thanks very much for the reply. I prefer the plasmas but they do not come in passive 3D and I do not want to again be concerned about IR. I had my Samsung plasma listed on Craig's List to sell it and buy a 3D LCD. I had a couple of offers for my Samsung below what I was asking but I decided that I don't need to rush into this just because I bought a new fancy Blu-ray player. If I can find the LG on disply somewhere and if I'm satisfied with the display I may get one after the holidays when prices tend to drop.
post #147 of 731
I can agree on the ir because that would make me nervous too. I'm still happy with my new lg and can't complain about the whole package. The passive 3d is nice. Comes with 6 pair and the lg rep at best buy gave me another 4. Don't think I'll have that eyes on the set at once. Haha
post #148 of 731
Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the box? I'm going to pick one up today but I have an Escape and I wanted to see if would fit or if I should have it delivered.
Thanks!
post #149 of 731
If you wish to carry it upright (which you should) you would need at least 36 inches of clearance.
post #150 of 731
I bought a LG 7200 and took it back because of the clouding and flash-lighting. I bought a Samsung 7003 and the picture is not ass clear and crisp as the LG was. I think I'm going back to the LG. It's too bad the Samsung is a beautiful TV, very deep blacks, the deepest I have seen, only and inch thick and 1/4" frame. Looks great on the wall.
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