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post #1 of 26
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Hi guys,

Its been a great 1 year with my HTPC built, and i am using it to its fullest potential.
I need your help in understanding a little bit of more that will help me expand the storage needs for this setup.
The HTPC i built earlier last year was a i7 2600K with 16gb ram, 128 ssd for OS and 6TB HDD. The case i used was a CW02.
The space is all filled up, and now time calls me to add additional storage.
I want to go with the Norco 4020
Reason being i burn my entire blu-ray content without ripping them, same with the DVD, hence the storage requirement keeps growing.

I was reading the media server storage guide. The only thing that i was not able to understand is... will i have to add motherboard, ram, cpu, psu as well to the Norco 4020 inspite i already have a HTPC in place which is the i7 SandyBridge?

I was under the impression that the HTPC that i already built one year back will need to be connected to rack mount chasis like the Norco 4020 with HDD's attached only and nothing else.. thus making it a storage unit? Please help me understand this.

Does the media server and HTPC go hand in hand? Or i will now have to eliminate the HTPC for the whs2011 server??
post #2 of 26
Your better of either building a dedicated server for storage or swapping your case for a case with more HDDs and dropping in an x8 pci SATA card like IBM or super micro.
post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Your better of either building a dedicated server for storage or swapping your case for a case with more HDDs and dropping in an x8 pci SATA card like IBM or super micro.

Thanks for your reply Mfusick, when you say that its better for me to build a dedicated server for storage, does it mean that i can continue using my current htpc, and build another dedicated storage server with the Norco 4020 chasis with 20 HDD's in them and installing whs2011 on this server and adding a good network card and then connecting both the htpc and the norco server through cat cables? My apologies, my understanding is very basic, but once i get these basics clear i can spearhead this project myself.
post #4 of 26
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

Thanks for your reply Mfusick, when you say that its better for me to build a dedicated server for storage, does it mean that i can continue using my current htpc, and build another dedicated storage server with the Norco 4020 chasis with 20 HDD's in them and installing whs2011 on this server and adding a good network card and then connecting both the htpc and the norco server through cat cables? My apologies, my understanding is very basic, but once i get these basics clear i can spearhead this project myself.

Exactly.

This would be the best solution.

Or you can add a NAS storage box to your HTPC you have now.
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Exactly.
This would be the best solution.
Or you can add a NAS storage box to your HTPC you have now.

Mfusick, you rock mate, God bless.. this was exactly what i wanted to know.
I have a 4 bay nas storage box, and moving files between the htpc and the external nas is a pain. Copying a 45gb Blu-Ray movie from HTPC's disk on to the NAS takes atleast over an hour. I hope this issue gets eliminated with the option you suggested as above.

I brought Assassins server guide, and they look pretty good for this project.

So do i need two high end network cards between both the htpc and norco chasis to get connected or just the basic integrated Intel nic works?
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

Mfusick, you rock mate, God bless.. this was exactly what i wanted to know.
I have a 4 bay nas storage box, and moving files between the htpc and the external nas is a pain. Copying a 45gb Blu-Ray movie from HTPC's disk on to the NAS takes atleast over an hour. I hope this issue gets eliminated with the option you suggested as above.
I brought Assassins server guide, and they look pretty good for this project.
So do i need two high end network cards between both the htpc and norco chasis to get connected or just the basic integrated Intel nic works?

No. Start with just a Intel NIC in the server. Should work very well.
post #7 of 26
I just bought intel NIC for my server and plan to install over Thanksgiving holiday weekend so I'll let you know.

My desktop motherboard has Intel but my current AsRock server board did not.

It still worked great at 80-100mb speed.

You definetly do not need intel NIC at all.

But it can boost your speed a bit if network speed is low.

A good gigabit network should be comparable to the speed of a HDD.

What speeds do you see with your NAS box now?

Is it eSATA? Usb2.0? Usb3.0?
post #8 of 26
I bought asassin server guide too btw...

Good place to start!
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I just bought intel NIC for my server and plan to install over Thanksgiving holiday weekend so I'll let you know.
My desktop motherboard has Intel but my current AsRock server board did not.
It still worked great at 80-100mb speed.
You definetly do not need intel NIC at all.
But it can boost your speed a bit if network speed is low.
A good gigabit network should be comparable to the speed of a HDD.
What speeds do you see with your NAS box now?
Is it eSATA? Usb2.0? Usb3.0?

I am using the cat6 cable from the htpc to my Gigabit router and the nas box which is in another room also connects to this same router using a cat6 cable.
For my HTPC i had used the Asus P8Z68-V PRO MB, which already uses Intel® Gigabit LAN.
For the Norco dedicated server i might go for a cheaper asus board that would also have a Intel® Gigabit LAN.

Whats a good sata expansion card that i can use for adding these 20 hdd's to the Norco chassis?

Thanks for your reply Assassin.. that helps.

Mfusick, are you doing the same for addl storage, meaning adding dedicated server storage as you suggested for me?
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I bought asassin server guide too btw...
Good place to start!

Assassins HTPC guide was the Bible i followed a year back to build my first HTPC, and it turned out better than expected, now hoping the same for the dedicated storage server.
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

I am using the cat6 cable from the htpc to my Gigabit router and the nas box which is in another room also connects to this same router using a cat6 cable.
For my HTPC i had used the Asus P8Z68-V PRO MB, which already uses Intel® Gigabit LAN.
For the Norco dedicated server i might go for a cheaper asus board that would also have a Intel® Gigabit LAN.
Whats a good sata expansion card that i can use for adding these 20 hdd's to the Norco chassis?
Thanks for your reply Assassin.. that helps.
Mfusick, are you doing the same for addl storage, meaning adding dedicated server storage as you suggested for me?

If you are going with software raid like FlexRaid, unRaid, SnapRaid, etc (which I recommend) then you can use a cheaper motherboard and just add an Intel NIC card for about $25.
post #12 of 26
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If you are going with software raid like FlexRaid, unRaid, SnapRaid, etc (which I recommend) then you can use a cheaper motherboard and just add an Intel NIC card for about $25.

This is what I'm doing. I'm looking for a good AsRock board that has x8 PCI so I can drop in a super micro or IBM SATA card for more SATA ports.

The model cards should be listed on Assassin server guide or in my other thread about choosing a MB for 20tb Flexraid server.
post #13 of 26
I'm trying to understand this a little better, but I've read a lot of others saying the Intel NIC upgrade for all PCs and Server really boosted their performance. I'm a little too cheap for that, so here is my take away . . . looking for some clarity

If you had a server feeding several HTPCs and they experienced occasional studder, then you only need to upgrade the Server NIC

If one of the "fed" HTPCs is the main ripping machine . . . It would make sense to upgrade that NIC as well

If one of the HTPCs had some extenders, they might also benefit from the NIC upgrade?

I don't know the actual science behind the hardware, but it seems that only a "feeding" box would require a solid NIC. This would also apply to any of the boxes that initiate large file copies/moves.

If you were experiencing intermittent slow down when moving ripped files from an HTPC to the server, then upgrading the server NIC wouldn't help but upgrading the HTPC NIC would ? ?
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

I'm trying to understand this a little better, but I've read a lot of others saying the Intel NIC upgrade for all PCs and Server really boosted their performance. I'm a little too cheap for that, so here is my take away . . . looking for some clarity
If you had a server feeding several HTPCs and they experienced occasional studder, then you only need to upgrade the Server NIC
If one of the "fed" HTPCs is the main ripping machine . . . It would make sense to upgrade that NIC as well
If one of the HTPCs had some extenders, they might also benefit from the NIC upgrade?
I don't know the actual science behind the hardware, but it seems that only a "feeding" box would require a solid NIC. This would also apply to any of the boxes that initiate large file copies/moves.
If you were experiencing intermittent slow down when moving ripped files from an HTPC to the server, then upgrading the server NIC wouldn't help but upgrading the HTPC NIC would ? ?

I would start with server only see how it works out.

It's about 22$

If you like results or looking for more add it to other machines.

My motherboard in my desktop has intel LAN so I'm good there. I don't believe I need it in my HTPC as it only pulls movies to play and speeds are not a problem.

But my desktop to server connection is important to me.
post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

If you are going with software raid like FlexRaid, unRaid, SnapRaid, etc (which I recommend) then you can use a cheaper motherboard and just add an Intel NIC card for about $25.

Reading through your guides, they are so so good.. easy to understand, made me realize that FlexRaid is a good option for me.
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

This is what I'm doing. I'm looking for a good AsRock board that has x8 PCI so I can drop in a super micro or IBM SATA card for more SATA ports.
The model cards should be listed on Assassin server guide or in my other thread about choosing a MB for 20tb Flexraid server.

I will be following you like a ghost, looks like we are on the same page, but your knowledge and understanding on this subject is megatron, and mine is wall-e.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

I will be following you like a ghost, looks like we are on the same page, but your knowledge and understanding on this subject is megatron, and mine is wall-e.

Your desktop is beefy. You can save a lot and manage your cost with a cheaper motherboard and intel NIC and drop in SATA card. You don't need an i7 CPU or other high end parts. I'd stick to a $90 z77 motherboard that has 8 SATA ports and two pci x8 slots.

That would give you 8+8+8 =24. Minus two for SSD and DVD if you go there.
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Your desktop is beefy. You can save a lot and manage your cost with a cheaper motherboard and intel NIC and drop in SATA card. You don't need an i7 CPU or other high end parts. I'd stick to a $90 z77 motherboard that has 8 SATA ports and two pci x8 slots.
That would give you 8+8+8 =24. Minus two for SSD and DVD if you go there.

I love you man. These are the kinds of suggestions that makes members here on AVS forum the best in the league.
Missed the MicroCenter deal on the i5 for 99 bucks. The lady at MC told me that they are discontinuing i5 hence the cut. The Core i3 3220 is for around 90 bucks at the nearest microcenter..i will pick that one up.. or will wait until black friday to see if anything else is coming up yet.
How's an ASRock Z77 Extreme4, 8 SATA ports etc.. i have seen it coming on sale at 100 dollars time to time.

I've seen couple of 8 port sata cards for around 600 bucks and some for 90 bucks as well, whats the difference?? Whats good, if i am planning to use FlexRaid?
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

This is what I'm doing. I'm looking for a good AsRock board that has x8 PCI so I can drop in a super micro or IBM SATA card for more SATA ports.
The model cards should be listed on Assassin server guide or in my other thread about choosing a MB for 20tb Flexraid server.

What chassis are you using? 4020?
post #19 of 26
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Norco 4020 is a good chassis, but i not very happy about that they support only 80mm fans.
120mm fans are the best for these kinds of application, specially if you include a 120mm Gentle Typhoon's, they will be silent, and better cooling as well.
I was also looking at the Rosewill RSV-L4500 15 bay chassis.. the construction looks solid, plus looks decent on the outside... as compared to the rigid industrial look of the norco chassis.. This one takes 6 120mm fans, ie.. 6 120mm gentle typhoons, plus another 3 80mm fans.. *scythe*
As per newegg.. "2x 80mm rear fans, 3x 120mm front fans and 3x 120mm middle fans deliver exceptional thermal performance"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147164

Yea i know they are 5 bays less as compared to a norco.. but the price comparitively isnt bad either.. 99 dollars a pop.
Get the second one after a couple of years... and drop another 15 drives. smile.gif Do i sound stupid?? :S
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

What chassis are you using? 4020?

I already have a few full tower cases. I'm using me desktop case on my rebuild.

It holds 16 HDDs.
post #21 of 26
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Ok, i just realized and saw some build pics on another forum, the case does not support hot swap of drives. Bad!!
post #22 of 26
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Ok, i just realized and saw some build pics on another forum, the case does not support hot swap of drives. Bad!!

I don't think this is a big deal. I have two hot swap bays I never use.
post #23 of 26
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412640/are-you-looking-for-a-less-expensive-norco-4220-4224-alternative/0_40

You might be interested in that.

Personally I think the Rosewill is fine choice for 99$.
post #24 of 26
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412640/are-you-looking-for-a-less-expensive-norco-4220-4224-alternative/0_40
You might be interested in that.
Personally I think the Rosewill is fine choice for 99$.

Gosh this is one good one, pretty impressive. I might end up doing this only, if this looks decent till the end.
Thanks Mfusick..my brother from another mother. smile.gif
Will be spending my sunday reading all of the thread page to page. I noticed you also have a thread going on.. have been reading that.. and found tons of valuable information.
My previous HTPC setup setup/log pics have been due.. will be posting them today afternoon.

Again thanks for all the help/advice mate.
post #26 of 26
Good luck. I'd be interested to hear back what you do.
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