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post #121 of 255
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

Wow, sorry to hear some of you have had issues & are returning this TV. I am considering it. I read the Televisioninfo.com review and while the picture quality is considered decent, they said the set used 260w of power. Vizio rates it at about 100w avg. I am also surprised to hear of they rated it poor for motion issues, since this is a 240 hz set, do any of you see issues? I like watching ice hockey and other sports so this may be an issue. The review is for the 650 version & not the 651, is that the difference? It also concerns me that they have discontinued this model so soon.

I'm coming from a 65inch RPCRT, which was a power hog compared to any of the newer tvs, so I was happy to see the power ratings on this unit. I don't have any way to measure it on mine, so I can't verify either number, though I had assumed that the energy guide sticker would have been based on some certifiable testing, which puts this set at the bottom (lowest power consumption) in the range.

I don't watch a lot of sports, but I did watch almost all of the Australian Open tennis tournament and had NO issues with motion, or anything else for that matter. I did watch a little bit of football, and again, I didn't see any problems. And these were with all of the Motion Enhancements turned off.

However, some folks have talked about an issue with "banding". I haven't noticed it, but if you're watching something like ice hockey maybe it might show up? it occrus when panning side to side against some backgrounds I think. But I haven't seen it on my set. It seems liike occassionally I'll get a lip sync error, and occasionally I'll get some kind of 'sutter', but this may well be an issue with the source rather than the tv.

Can you find some ice-hockey to watch maybe on one of the cable or sat sports channels so you can test it out while you're still in return period?

So far I'm pretty happy with my set and don't have any plans to return it. The picture quality is actually better than I had expected. I've had my set up since Nov 26.

Rick
post #122 of 255
Thanks for the reply Rick. The stutter, has that happened often? I saw someone else mention that too.
If I buy this it will replace my Philips 50" plasma. I would expect that this set would be pretty good with fast motion since the refresh rate is 240 hz. Do you or others here have any info on reliability of Vizio tv's?
I've seen many comments about most failures happening in the 1st year so I'm curious to see if Vizio is as reliable as some of the other manufacturers.
post #123 of 255
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

Thanks for the reply Rick. The stutter, has that happened often? I saw someone else mention that too.
If I buy this it will replace my Philips 50" plasma. I would expect that this set would be pretty good with fast motion since the refresh rate is 240 hz. Do you or others here have any info on reliability of Vizio tv's?
I've seen many comments about most failures happening in the 1st year so I'm curious to see if Vizio is as reliable as some of the other manufacturers.

CNET had a review of this tv. They weren't very postitive, so you might want to try finding one in stock and checking it out yourself. The stutter is pretty minimal, and seems to be when I watch OTA broadcoasts. Last night I was watching ABC and noticed it. I went in and turned on smooth motion and thought that helped. The broadcast was in 720p. I don't think I've see it from my Satellite box, or from DVD or Blueray.

This is the first Vizio product I've had. So I cant really say about reliability. Light reflections seem to be one of the things that have bothered most folks, and the banding issue that some have had. Neither of these have been a big issue with me. This is the first LCD I've had, and i've never had a Plasma. I understand Plasma's are top performers as far as picture quality goes, so that might be a problem for you.

I think Best Buy carrys these now, so maybe you could check one out.

Thanks
rick
post #124 of 255
How is the viewing angle? I notice a lot of LCDs tend to wash out when off center viewing.
I did buy the E701I-A3 from Sam's Club and I am evaluating it. It has a good picture but tends to "wash out" when viewed from off center. If the 651 has better viewing from angles I would return this & get that. The TV is in the corner on a swivel base and I quite often watch it from the kitchen at a slight angle so the E series washes out slightly. It's not terrible but I prefer to have the clearest possible picture. It has a matte finish screen and I don't know if that adds to the washout. I've seen here that the 651 is "glossier' so I was wondering if it is any better. The local Sam's doesn't stock it so I can't view it there to see. Both the 701I & the 651 specs claim greater than 170 degrees viewing so maybe Vizio's idea of viewing angle & mine are slightly different.
Edited by indept - 2/10/13 at 11:32am
post #125 of 255
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

How is the viewing angle? I notice a lot of LCDs tend to wash out when off center viewing.
I did buy the E701I-A3 from Sam's Club and I am evaluating it. It has a good picture but tends to "wash out" when viewed from off center. If the 651 has better viewing from angles I would return this & get that. The TV is in the corner on a swivel base and I quite often watch it from the kitchen at a slight angle so the E series washes out slightly. It's not terrible but I prefer to have the clearest possible picture. It has a matte finish screen and I don't know if that adds to the washout. I've seen here that the 651 is "glossier' so I was wondering if it is any better. The local Sam's doesn't stock it so I can't view it there to see. Both the 701I & the 651 specs claim greater than 170 degrees viewing so maybe Vizio's idea of viewing angle & mine are slightly different.

I haven't seen the e70l so I can't compare. You can start to see it wash out maybe 50-60 degrees off center. So this would be 100-120 degrees. You can still view it of course. but you can see it starting to wash out. My wife often watches from maybe 20-30 degrees off center. I'm only estimating here. and this is pretty subjective, so I'm not sure if this helps.

Rick
post #126 of 255
Thanks Rick, it sounds like the E701IA3.
post #127 of 255
I'm surprised nobody stocks this TV, the local BJ's club stocks the 650 but not the 651. have you tried the 3D yet, if so how is it?
post #128 of 255
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Originally Posted by jsc10 View Post

I had posted previously about a problem that seemed to be stand related. The screen very noticeably leans back at the top (both on a table and on the floor). Vizio support sent me another stand to try, which I appreciated, however the new base has a small gouge out of the front. The new stand made no improvement. I emailed Vizio photos of the screen with a level showing how far off center the bubble in the level was when placed along the front of the screen, plus a photo of the level upright showing the increase in space from the bottom of the screen to the top. Their advice was to reinstall the base. I did; it's the same.

My TV leaned to & found out I had not installed the stand correctly. Lets us know what it is with yours.
post #129 of 255
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Originally Posted by mgordo78 View Post

I have been tinkering with the picture settings for awhile now and haven't been able to quite get what I want. Anyone have some suggestions for picture settings basic all the way through advanced? Maybe I am being picky here but the picture on my the last tv, the Vizio XVT47 was incredible and this to date is not close. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks
This is the setting that work for me.
Picture Mode: Football ( could be any of them )
Backlight: 100
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 80
Color: 60
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 9
Color Temp: Custom
Red: 125
Green: 128
Blue: 128
Red Offset 128
Green: 128
Blue: 128
Advance setting:
Smooth: Off
Real Cinema: Grayed out
Noise Red: Low
MPEG NR: Low
Color Enhance: Grn/Flesh
Aptive Lumina: Medium
Film Mode: Auto
Smart Dimming: On
Ambiet Sensor: Light
That's it for now.
post #130 of 255
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

I'm surprised nobody stocks this TV, the local BJ's club stocks the 650 but not the 651. have you tried the 3D yet, if so how is it?

I dont have a 3D source. I did try a free sample from hulu plus in the Apps. There were two samples one animated and one movie. I'm not sure I could tell good 3D from bad 3D, but the animated 3D sample looked pretty 3D to me. I think the 3D effect does narrow down the viewing angle though I think.

rick
post #131 of 255
few more inputs from my side on this TV

1) 3D effects
depending upon your input.. I watched cars 3d few weeks back and complained in this forum that.. there are no POP UP EFFECTS,, But I was wrong.. I watched JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF EARTH.. Which has full of popup 3d effects.. Even better than theater

2) tv connected to comcast digital box is sooooooooooooooo bad that I returned comcast digital box after one hour usage.. Now I am using OTA channels.. quality excellent.. Some times you may feel that tv persons sitting next to you

3) I purchased 4 years warranty by registering in vizio site.. .. Not sure whether it really helps if any problem occurs

4) remote keyboard is flimsy -- I mean you canot expect to ype like a normal keyboard

5) never, ever try to bend the tv,, if you do,, you will come across some FOGGING issues.............if FOG/CLOUD occurs.. just wipe the screen with cotton cloth.. It helped me and so many other people in this forum
post #132 of 255
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Originally Posted by rickie View Post

I dont have a 3D source. I did try a free sample from hulu plus in the Apps. There were two samples one animated and one movie. I'm not sure I could tell good 3D from bad 3D, but the animated 3D sample looked pretty 3D to me. I think the 3D effect does narrow down the viewing angle though I think.

rick
Just the fact you can see a difference from 2D is a plus biggrin.gif
post #133 of 255
I checked out the 3-D . It works very well. That being said ,I realy don't care much about it . I watch mostly sports and movies . WHen I watch a motion picture I want to see it as the director intended . Since most of the films I like are classics , 3-D is pointless for me . That being said , my sisters kids love the stuff and can be entertained for hours .
post #134 of 255
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Originally Posted by reaganday View Post

I checked out the 3-D . It works very well. That being said ,I realy don't care much about it . I watch mostly sports and movies . WHen I watch a motion picture I want to see it as the director intended . Since most of the films I like are classics , 3-D is pointless for me . That being said , my sisters kids love the stuff and can be entertained for hours .

I think after 1 or 2 movies the novelty would wear off, but I'm sure my grand kids would watch it nonstop
post #135 of 255
We have had our 651 for a week now and are very impressed with the picture and sound quality. Last night we watched Bait in 3D on Starz and were hooked after the first shark attack. The sound quality is exceptional for TV speakers and we prefer it over our theater system sometimes. I would not consider the reflection issue if that was a deal breaker, we have windows everywhere and it hasn't been a distraciton. The green tint on everthing was annoying at first but was fixed by changing the picture to "golf" and everything looks normal and crisp. Make sure to change input to 1080 also because the default out of the box is 720. I purchased the set from Best Buy on line for 1699 with free delivery and a four year service policy from Square Trade.
post #136 of 255
Yes, it does have a glass screen, and I've heard the same thing about glare. I just don't see what they are talking about. Sure if the have a table lamp in your view, you are going to see it, but that was also true with a non glare screen we had before (a Sony 65" DLP).

Our TV room has glass pane double wide by-folding French doors with a window and a large window in the entry way, yet it doesn't seem to be a problem on the screen.

There has long been a discussion about which 3-D is best, Active or Passive. My son has a Samsung 60" with Active 3-D, the glasses have straight lenses, heavier, and require batteries, Vizio uses Passive 3-D and do not used batteries. Having watched The Avengers in 3-D on his Active system, then viewing it on my Vizio, I can assure you that I much prefer Passive (same as what is used in an IMAX theater). Active also uses left-right eye at a very fast pace, it seems to have effect on your eyes and causes headaches if used more than 2-3 hours. The same with Passive does not seem to have the same effect, in fact you forget they are still on your face, passive also has deeper 3-D and on Vizio that depth can be changed...of which I have left alone, it's perfect as is...

It also has better 3-D than the Vizio 650.

Thanks
post #137 of 255
My Vizio 554 with Active Glasses has a lot of cross talk, so much sometimes the movie isn't enjoyable.
My Vizio 651 with Passive Glasses has NO cross talk at all and the glasses are much more comfortable.

But I haven't seen any 3D set where the picture really jumps out at you. They give the picture real depth but nothing shoots out of the screen at you. Like they advertise.
post #138 of 255
I found some more 3D movies on HBO last night and watched the last Harry Potter movie and it really popped. If you have Starz and want to see extreem 3D take a look at Bait 3D, amazing !!! It seems like they are really into producing more 3D for TV in Austrailia than the US. It looks like the Premium Channels are adding more content every month and I hope this trend continues. The experience with passive is very comfortable and will help grow the market. The old problems with 3D are a thing in the past. .
post #139 of 255
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Originally Posted by grandpadoc View Post

I found some more 3D movies on HBO last night and watched the last Harry Potter movie and it really popped. If you have Starz and want to see extreem 3D take a look at Bait 3D, amazing !!! It seems like they are really into producing more 3D for TV in Austrailia than the US. It looks like the Premium Channels are adding more content every month and I hope this trend continues. The experience with passive is very comfortable and will help grow the market. The old problems with 3D are a thing in the past. .

I have HBO and Starz on DirecTV but haven't ever seen 3D movies on either of them. Is there a separate channel for it. Was this a Pay Per View Movie?
post #140 of 255
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Originally Posted by Burnerbum View Post

I have HBO and Starz on DirecTV but haven't ever seen 3D movies on either of them. Is there a separate channel for it. Was this a Pay Per View Movie?

It's usually an On-Demmand option with your service provider.
post #141 of 255
Its an On Demand option with our Fios service. I was suprised to see HBO added 3D just this month, wasn't there last week (Feb.).
post #142 of 255
Look up 3D blu-ray reviews & try a few 3d Blu-ray rentals to see what is good 3D. I just watched "Top Gun" and it was amazing. They did a good job. Remeber 3D isn't just about the pop but the depth also.
I have a "Grand Canyon 3D" which made me duck from the spashing water. Made me laugh. "Beauty and the Beast 3D" was amazing. The kids loved it. Watch a good "new or old" movie in 3D if done well is very nice.
Edited by jgilliam1955 - 3/5/13 at 1:57pm
post #143 of 255
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Originally Posted by jgilliam1955 View Post

Look up 3D blu-ray reviews & try a few 3d Blu-ray rentals to see what is good 3D. I just watched "Top Gun" and it was amazing. They did a good job. Remeber 3D isn't just about the pop but the depth also.
I have a "Grand Canyon 3D" which made me duck from the spashing water. Made me laugh. "Beauty and the Beast 3D" was amazing. The kids loved it. Watch a good "new or old" movie in 3D if done well is very nice.

I haven't really been able to judge the 3D on this set, other than a couple of free samples on the Hulu VIA app. I checked with DISH and they didn't offer any on any of the channels, though I haven't checked their On-Demand. I thought about renting a Blu Ray, but my Blu Ray player doesn't have 3D either. (Pio 51FD). But I'm pretty happy with the PQ i get with this set in any case. When I do get another Blu Ray player, I plan to make sure it has #D (maybe the Sony 590).

Thanks
Rick
post #144 of 255
I just ordered a Sony 790 and probably just wasted some Visa bonus points. The 590 is rated higher and the 4K feature will never be used in this household. Anyhow we have watched all the 3D movies on HBO and STARZ now and ready for more, so far I haven't found any other movie channels with 3D listings. Netflix seems to be TV specific and hasn't included Vizio in there line up yet according to the rep I talked to. How do they do that ? You would think "parts is parts" with this stuff.
post #145 of 255
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Originally Posted by grandpadoc View Post

I just ordered a Sony 790 and probably just wasted some Visa bonus points. The 590 is rated higher and the 4K feature will never be used in this household. Anyhow we have watched all the 3D movies on HBO and STARZ now and ready for more, so far I haven't found any other movie channels with 3D listings. Netflix seems to be TV specific and hasn't included Vizio in there line up yet according to the rep I talked to. How do they do that ? You would think "parts is parts" with this stuff.

Let me know how the 790 performs. I understand it has a better video processor than the 590. I don't know if that means it does a better job of upconverting DVD though.

thanks
rick
post #146 of 255
They said the 790 will be shipped in 4-6 weeks and until then I won't have a 3D BlueRay player. I think Sony started the 4K trend with digital theatre projectors and now with 4K $25000 home TV's. From a cnet article I read about 4K, the science doesn't pencil out for anything less than a 80" TV viewed at 20 feet, because the human retina cannot handle that many pixels and see a difference. The dual core processor may make a differnece though with the smart funcitons and streaming. The delays with the standard Blueray are annoying and I'm hoping that at least that is improved. So for now just sit closer to your 1080's and enjoy the show your not missing anything yet. Look up that cnet article, I think its "4K is Stupid".
post #147 of 255
Hey all,

I was trying to find some tips and found this forum. I received my M3D651SV 3 days ago and I love it. Our previous one was a 57" Hitachi that was about 12 years old. Still works fine, but the picture was starting to get weak, colors bled, and it took about 5 minutes to come on.

The difference between the 2 is amazing. Love the quality and I want to add surround sound but will need some help there. If you have added it and are happy with it what did you buy and how did you set it up?

I watched a 2 minute 3D demo of Tron and was blown away. I also have an XBox and played Call of Duty Black Ops II in 3D and was very impressed. Not only with the quality but the 3D effect is stunning.

I read about the issue with the screen being reflective and have to agree but it is not a problem for us. If where you are planning to locate this TV has a lot of windows that you cannot shutter or block out with dark curtains you may not want to select a TV that is highly reflective in my opinion.
post #148 of 255
We love the unit also. The glass is glossy, yet the picture is so good you dont even notice it. 3D is simply amazing. I'm coming from a 73 inch RPTV with active 3d and this blows that away in every aspect. For me, the Passive VS the Active war is over. Passive wins hands down.
post #149 of 255
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Originally Posted by Datagg View Post

We love the unit also. The glass is glossy, yet the picture is so good you dont even notice it. 3D is simply amazing. I'm coming from a 73 inch RPTV with active 3d and this blows that away in every aspect. For me, the Passive VS the Active war is over. Passive wins hands down.
No argument on the passive, I recently traded in a defective LG and was looking for a M series Vizio 3D but nobody had them in person & I'm not cozy with buying sight unseen online & having to ship it back if bad so I bought another LG, this one with passive 3D, it looks great. Wish I could have walked out with a Vizio though.
post #150 of 255
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Originally Posted by indept View Post

No argument on the passive, I recently traded in a defective LG and was looking for a M series Vizio 3D but nobody had them in person & I'm not cozy with buying sight unseen online & having to ship it back if bad so I bought another LG, this one with passive 3D, it looks great. Wish I could have walked out with a Vizio though.

me neither, like to see the unit before buying.... We lucked out, the wife was across town with a friend and stopped at a Walmart. She heard me say the day earlier that this unit is no where.... She called me from Walmart that they have one and to get my butt over here asap. In the truck i went. Really happy with it. My Bro tonight saw it for the first time, LOVED it & now he is searching for one.
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