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post #1021 of 10066
Hi ZuperT and Balthazar,

You have cited just a few issues, that are representative of the invariable situations that supervene, as we increase capabilities and permutations, with more capable devices. The manufacturers just don't have time ($) to devote to error trapping or convenience modifications, for all scenarios. It seems rather extratorinary, for example, that the "W" in WAF has patience for much of the operational control changes, frequently required, to optimize or de-optimize, "just let the thing play," scenarios. It, therefore, seems, especially for family controllability, that an rs232 polling controller, with error trapping, via programming and remotes, with multiple macro type functions, are almost required. Crestron comes to mind.

Thank you very much

Fury
post #1022 of 10066
I'm using the BDP-105 as my pre/pro. I'm a bit paranoid regarding the installation of firmware/software upgrades. When you turn the unit back on after download it reverts to default settings including volume control back to "fixed" taking it to 100% and must be changed back to "variable". I've taken these precautions. Never leave a disc in the machine when done with it because auto start is a default setting. I've taken the amp and powered subs out of remote start up and turn them on by hand after the video has comes up. Anything else?
post #1023 of 10066
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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

I'm using the BDP-105 as my pre/pro. I'm a bit paranoid regarding the installation of firmware/software upgrades. When you turn the unit back on after download it reverts to default settings including volume control back to "fixed" taking it to 100% and must be changed back to "variable". I've taken these precautions. Never leave a disc in the machine when done with it because auto start is a default setting. I've taken the amp and powered subs out of remote start up and turn them on by hand after the video has comes up. Anything else?

Ideally, plug it into a UPS before the upgrade, so that if you lose power in your house during the upgrade, you don't turn the player into a brick.

Not everyone has to worry about this, but where we live, the power goes out fairly often during the winter. I know more than one person who has bricked some electronics while upgrading.
post #1024 of 10066
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Dmusoke,
I don't believe you have interpreted those SACD charts correctly.
When DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion is in effect, a 50KHz filter is applied (in the DAC) to trim the high ultrasonics which are screwed up by DSD quantization noise magnified up there by SACD Noise Shaping. But since that chart doesn't show above 50KHz you don't see it!
When LPCM is in use, the intentional rate limit to 88.2KHz discards frequencies above 44.1KHz due to the math governing how digital sampling works. Thus you DO see the attenuation kicking in before the LPCM chart tops out at 50KHz. There is no 50KHz filter. It just happens automagically due to the sampling rate.
The real problem in noise floor is higher up, and *BOTH* methods of SACD playback on the Analog outs are designed to eliminate that.
My point being, when using the OPPO's Analog outs, your reason to avoid DSD does not hold. The ultrasonics get trimmed off that way too.
--Bob

Looking at the graphs again, they both look awful above 20k. So why, in either mode, is it desirable to propagate signals above 20k?
post #1025 of 10066
VOLUME CONTROL:

My BDP-105 is connected directly to a SimAudio W5 (balanced dual mono) power amp via Harmonics Pro-Silway III XLR Interconnects, and I am very happy that it sounds better then BDP-95 which was connected to the same power amp via YBA Passion 600 Preamp. I am also very happy that its built-in headphone amp sounds as good as Burson HA-160 which is a high-end dedicated headphone amp.

One outstanding problem I need to address is that 105 outputs 4.2Vrms (XLR) which is not consistent with the industry standard for its role as a Preamp, and SimAudio power amp was designed for 1Vrms input which is the industry standard. As a result, 105's output with its lowest volume (=1) is louder than I feel comfortable with some music during daytime and definitely louder than I prefer during late evening listening to any music, forcing me to use a headphone.

So far, my research shows that I have 2 options available to address 105 being too loud:
- use inline XLR attenuator (e.g Rothwell) between 105 and power amp
- use a passive preamp (e.g Goldpoint) with stepped attenuator between 105 and power amp

Unfortunately, my research also shows that the best inline XLR attenuators is not transparent enough, and I am reluctant to add another a pair of interconnects and a preamp to the signal chain both of which will likely introduce some distortion at a cost of $700-$1,000.

The third option, if OPPO is willing, OPPO can provide us with a new firmware that has more gradual increase in volume between '0' and '1'. Currently, volume setting at '1' is TOO LOUD and TOO SOON to be useful as a Preamp.

I am certain that there are other 105 owners who are having the same volume control problem that I have.

Any good suggestion?

I sent an email which requested OPPO to modify the firmware so that volume would increase gradually between volume setting '0' and '1' rather than too loud too quick.

I encourage other 105 owners with similar problem to let OPPO know of the volume control problem and post them here as well.

Happy listening ...
Edited by edwardkim - 12/13/12 at 2:50am
post #1026 of 10066
I've had the Oppo dbp-105 for a while now and I can happily say that the unit plays better music than the 95. I'm still frustrated with some of the bugs that the player shows , especially the volume control not responding the way it is supposed to and some other problems that I have encountered while playing music from my WD 2TB hard drive which doesn't happen with the same driver and the Oppo 95 player which I still have.

Since so many of us are using this player basically as a pre-amp, I think it is important to address the volume control feature as it is implemented in the unit, and I'm talking about a situation when you lower the volume down to o and then go back to 1, there's a jump in volume that is a little higher than I'm sure most of us would like, and especially at night, the 1 setting is not very low at all, I understand that Oppo has much bigger things to fix in the unit right now, but this new Oppo is working as a pre-amp for many of us and these things become more critical in everyday regular listening and the overall enjoyment of the unit, so as a loyal customer of the Oppo brand I would like to draw their attention into fixing this small, but annoying problem to make the player much more acceptable as an all in one solution for all of us.
Edited by luismanrara - 12/12/12 at 10:31am
post #1027 of 10066
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Originally Posted by edwardkim View Post

VOLUME CONTROL:
My BDP-105 is connected directly to a SimAudio W5 (balanced dual mono) power amp via Harmonics Pro-Silway III XLR Interconnects, and I am very happy that it sounds much better then BDP-95 which was connected to the same power amp via YBA Passion 600 Preamp. I am also very happy that its built-in headphone amp sounds better than Burson HA-160 which is a high-end dedicated headphone amp.
One outstanding problem I need to address is that 105 outputs 4.2Vrms (XLR) which is not consistent with the industry standard and SimAudio power amp was designed for 1Vrms input which is the industry standard. As a result, 105's output with its lowest volume (=1) is louder than I feel comfortable with some music during daytime and definitely louder than I prefer during late evening listening of any music, forcing me to use a headphone.
So far, my research shows that I have 2 options available to address 105 being too loud:
- use inline XLR attenuator (e.g Rothwell) between 105 and power amp
- use a passive preamp (e.g Goldpoint) with stepped attenuator between 105 and power amp
Unfortunately, my research also shows that the best inline XLR attenuators is not transparent enough, and I am reluctant to add another a pair of interconnects and a preamp to the signal chain both of which will likely introduce some distortion at a cost of $700-$1,000.
Any good suggestion?

Dont have a suggestion for you, but 105 through my McIntosh MX121 definitely sounds louder than going directly to my McIntosh MC205 amp ( at 100vol in the BDP). I like the direct hook up sound to the amp but i definitely lose gain. The opposite of your problem...
post #1028 of 10066
OPPO Digital has now added links to the iOS and Android control apps released so far on the Support pages for the players.
--Bob
post #1029 of 10066
I am upgrading my 2ch/HT setup and need advice.

I have a nice PC in my office about 35' away from the living room where I have my rack for all my HT and audio equipment.

I have JRiver loaded on it using FLAC files and using JRiver Gizmo on my Kindle Fire for remote access.

I use DNLA to my Marantz AV7005 which feeds my Parasound 5CH Amp.

I have a Oppo 93 BLRay player for my Video and SACD's

I have two Rythmik subs that will be combined with my fronts to be two large speakers with no sub on my AV7005.

The L/R and Rear Surround will be set as Small on the AV7005.

I am limited in sound quality by the AV7005 DAC's

The plan is to upgrade to the Oppo 105.

In the same configuration but using the Oppo 105 stereo analog outputs as one input to the AV7005 for the FLAC files on my PC for music through the DNLA.

Using the other Oppo 105 analog outputs for inputs to the AV7005 for SACD, BLRay.

The Video will be through HDMI Input and output of the AV7005.

Will this all work?

Do you think I will have better quality sound from my front speakers listening to music with this setup and ease of use using my Kindle Fire.

Is there a better way or overall this is the best way for dollars spent?
post #1030 of 10066
Just ordered a 105 to replace my Pioneer 51FD Blu-ray player and Yamaha RX-667 AVR, which I was upgrading to a Pioneer SC-68. Glad I didn't. Now I will have the latest BDP and prepro all in one, and for half the price of SC-68...Wow! Looking forward to fast load time.
post #1031 of 10066
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Originally Posted by edwardkim View Post

VOLUME CONTROL:

My BDP-105 is connected directly to a SimAudio W5 (balanced dual mono) power amp via Harmonics Pro-Silway III XLR Interconnects, and I am very happy that it sounds much better then BDP-95 which was connected to the same power amp via YBA Passion 600 Preamp. I am also very happy that its built-in headphone amp sounds better than Burson HA-160 which is a high-end dedicated headphone amp.

One outstanding problem I need to address is that 105 outputs 4.2Vrms (XLR) which is not consistent with the industry standard and SimAudio power amp was designed for 1Vrms input which is the industry standard. As a result, 105's output with its lowest volume (=1) is louder than I feel comfortable with some music during daytime and definitely louder than I prefer during late evening listening of any music, forcing me to use a headphone.

So far, my research shows that I have 2 options available to address 105 being too loud:
- use inline XLR attenuator (e.g Rothwell) between 105 and power amp
- use a passive preamp (e.g Goldpoint) with stepped attenuator between 105 and power amp

Unfortunately, my research also shows that the best inline XLR attenuators is not transparent enough, and I am reluctant to add another a pair of interconnects and a preamp to the signal chain both of which will likely introduce some distortion at a cost of $700-$1,000.

The third option, if OPPO is willing, OPPO can provide us with a new firmware that has more gradual increase in volume between '0' and '1'. Currently, volume setting at '1' is TOO LOUD and TOO SOON to be useful as a Preamp.

I am certain that there are other 105 owners who are having the same volume control problem that I have.

Any good suggestion?

 

A software fix from Oppo is certainly possible since the volume control within the DAC has a resolution of (1/64 = 0.015625 dB) but they give us a coarser version of it to fit within the 0-100 volume scale. Otherwise it'd take forever pressing the volume buttons to effect a meaningful volume. I think this can be easily done as an option within the audio setup menu.

 

OTOH, i can't believe audiophile XLR attenuators aren't available. The Rothwell types seem to be the favorite for high-end systems according to the reviews i've seen which dubbed them as being neutral. Ideally you need a 12dB attenuation pad to fit the requirements of your power-amp, but their 10dB will do. Have you asked SimAudio for what they would recommend?


Edited by dmusoke - 12/12/12 at 4:17pm
post #1032 of 10066
Is this s a known issue? I do not get sound out of the USB DAC from my Mc Mini unless I disconnect the HDMI cable? Help!
post #1033 of 10066
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Originally Posted by nycjazz View Post

Is this s a known issue? I do not get sound out of the USB DAC from my Mc Mini unless I disconnect the HDMI cable? Help!

WHICH HDMI cable are you talking about?
--Bob
post #1034 of 10066
EDWARDKIM,

I suggest you try using the RCA outputs to the line level inputs of your power amp instead of the XLR. XLR is the standard +6dB hotter than RCA and evidently your power amps don't offer the option of applying -6dB attenuation.
--Bob
post #1035 of 10066
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Dmusoke,
I don't believe you have interpreted those SACD charts correctly.
When DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion is in effect, a 50KHz filter is applied (in the DAC) to trim the high ultrasonics which are screwed up by DSD quantization noise magnified up there by SACD Noise Shaping. But since that chart doesn't show above 50KHz you don't see it!
When LPCM is in use, the intentional rate limit to 88.2KHz discards frequencies above 44.1KHz due to the math governing how digital sampling works. Thus you DO see the attenuation kicking in before the LPCM chart tops out at 50KHz. There is no 50KHz filter. It just happens automagically due to the sampling rate.
The real problem in noise floor is higher up, and *BOTH* methods of SACD playback on the Analog outs are designed to eliminate that.
My point being, when using the OPPO's Analog outs, your reason to avoid DSD does not hold. The ultrasonics get trimmed off that way too.
--Bob

Looking at the graphs again, they both look awful above 20k. So why, in either mode, is it desirable to propagate signals above 20k?

Disillusioned with SACD? biggrin.gif

These are noise floor measurements. Although there looks like a significant rise, it's not really significant YET because of the frequencies involved (the energy in the signal). Look at the absolute scale.

The real problem, as I've said, is higher up in frequency, and is eliminated by the design both for DSD and for PCM playback.

There's harmonic content (content, not noise) above 20KHz which, of course, audiophiles want to believe is preserved. So attenuating the output at lower frequency would not be acceptable.

Keep in mind that there are still folks out there convinced the player is screwing up because it doesn't use 176.4KHz for SACD PCM playback!
--Bob
post #1036 of 10066
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Originally Posted by Balthazar2k4 View Post

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Originally Posted by ZuperT View Post

E.g. the Neo:6 up-sampling when swithed on, means all your inputs are affected, even the Bluray source.

So the DTS Neo:6 is only enabled via the setup menu or is it a button on the remote? If it is only via the menus, then I could see it as being a great inconvenience. Thanks for the info.

It's only accessible via the Setup menu, however you can bring up Setup and change the setting "on the fly" while a disc or media file is playing.

As I've stated before it is important that you only enable Neo:6 when you WANT to use it, as it limits the audio to 44.1KHz or 48KHz.
--Bob
post #1037 of 10066
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

WHICH HDMI cable are you talking about?
--Bob

Sorry, the HDMI out of the Mac Mini into the TV. The sound comes back in the USB DAC only when I disconnect it.
post #1038 of 10066
I'm using the 83SE and have plans to upgrade to the 105.
I've also got a Audio Research DSI200 amplifier and would like to take advantage of its balanced inputs. Has anyone tested the XLR vs RCA on the Oppo. I aware that what difference there might be, can not all be honored to Oppo as the amplifier it self might sound better through its XLR inputs. But I'd still like to hear from those who have tested.
post #1039 of 10066
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Originally Posted by nycjazz View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

WHICH HDMI cable are you talking about?
--Bob

Sorry, the HDMI out of the Mac Mini into the TV. The sound comes back in the USB DAC only when I disconnect it.

First, if that's a 2012 Mac Mini, be sure to apply the firmware update Apple released this week. It contains important HDMI fixes.

If that doesn't fix it, then temporarily disconnect the HDMI cable at the display which carries video from the OPPO to the display. If audio does NOT come back then the problem is a configuration issue in the Mac Mini. The Mac Mini is evidently giving preference to the HDMI output cable for audio. Try re-selecting the OPPO as your sound output device in System Preferences > Sound in the Mac Mini.

If the the audio DOES come back when you disconnect that video feed from the OPPO, then the likely explanation is that copy protection is getting upset because it thinks there are two separate HDMI paths active into that display. This is typically because the display is keeping live the HDMI input it is NOT supposed to be using at the moment. Often this is due to HDMI CEC (remote control over the HDMI cable) settings in the display).
--Bob
post #1040 of 10066
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

First, if that's a 2012 Mac Mini, be sure to apply the firmware update Apple released this week. It contains important HDMI fixes.
If that doesn't fix it, then temporarily disconnect the HDMI cable at the display which carries video from the OPPO to the display. If audio does NOT come back then the problem is a configuration issue in the Mac Mini. The Mac Mini is evidently giving preference to the HDMI output cable for audio. Try re-selecting the OPPO as your sound output device in System Preferences > Sound in the Mac Mini.
If the the audio DOES come back when you disconnect that video feed from the OPPO, then the likely explanation is that copy protection is getting upset because it thinks there are two separate HDMI paths active into that display. This is typically because the display is keeping live the HDMI input it is NOT supposed to be using at the moment. Often this is due to HDMI CEC (remote control over the HDMI cable) settings in the display).
--Bob
I do have the latest fix. I did nothing but switch the cables again and now its working!biggrin.gif Thanks!
post #1041 of 10066
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Originally Posted by nycjazz View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

First, if that's a 2012 Mac Mini, be sure to apply the firmware update Apple released this week. It contains important HDMI fixes.
If that doesn't fix it, then temporarily disconnect the HDMI cable at the display which carries video from the OPPO to the display. If audio does NOT come back then the problem is a configuration issue in the Mac Mini. The Mac Mini is evidently giving preference to the HDMI output cable for audio. Try re-selecting the OPPO as your sound output device in System Preferences > Sound in the Mac Mini.
If the the audio DOES come back when you disconnect that video feed from the OPPO, then the likely explanation is that copy protection is getting upset because it thinks there are two separate HDMI paths active into that display. This is typically because the display is keeping live the HDMI input it is NOT supposed to be using at the moment. Often this is due to HDMI CEC (remote control over the HDMI cable) settings in the display).
--Bob
I do have the latest fix. let me explain the setup a bit better. I can connect HDMI from the mac mini to the oppo hdmi (front). I can then view the mini when setting the input to HDMI Front. In order to hear the music, of course I have to switch to the USB DAC input. No issues there, I understand that I cannot be in both inputs at the same time. The problem is that if connect directly from the mini to the HDMI in the TV (bypassing the oppo) and keep the oppo in USB DAC In, no sound comes out. Because of this, I cannot navigate the Mac to play the music through the DAC. Soon as I disconnect the HDMI out from the mini into the TV, the sound flows. I did check the settings of the mac to show output to the USB DAC. This forces me to use the crappy VNC remote viewer that is a terrible experience to navigate itunes.

Try the check I suggested: Leave the Mini connected to the TV for video and to the OPPO for USB DAC audio. Disconnect the video feed from the OPPO to the TV. If that restores audio then problem is in the TV. If it does NOT restore audio then the problem is in the MIni.
--Bob
post #1042 of 10066
So quick feature request. While waiting for the Windows 8 USB Driver (any date on that yet?) I've been putting Flac files on a USB Key to take advantage of the DAC that way.

I've noticed that when playing MP3 files the 105 will access the gracenote and displays Album Art and Info but when playing Flac all it only displays the name of the file (e.g. "TrackOne.flac") and doesn't display album art. In a future firmware update would it be possible to have the 105 read the tags and artwork off of Flac files the same way it does for MP3s?

I also noticed my 105 skipping a bit last night when playing Flac files. The files play back flawlessly through the computer (even when playing them on the computer using the USB Key) so I'm guessing something might be up with the Flac decoding?
post #1043 of 10066
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Try the check I suggested: Leave the Mini connected to the TV for video and to the OPPO for USB DAC audio. Disconnect the video feed from the OPPO to the TV. If that restores audio then problem is in the TV. If it does NOT restore audio then the problem is in the MIni.
--Bob

That order did the trick, thanks Bob!
post #1044 of 10066
I would like to thank everyone for chiming in on my pre-amp inquiries. I stopped by the Magnolia Design Center on the way home and grabbed a BDP-105. Now all I need to do is figure out where I can put it for testing purposes. If all goes well it will become a permanent addition to my HT.

Thanks again!
post #1045 of 10066
What is a good headphone set for listening to Blue Ray movies on the Oppo 105.
Thanks Bruce
post #1046 of 10066
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Originally Posted by beertap View Post

What is a good headphone set for listening to Blue Ray movies on the Oppo 105.
Thanks Bruce

What is your price range?

Open or closed headphones?
post #1047 of 10066
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Originally Posted by athimmig View Post

I've noticed that when playing MP3 files the 105 will access the gracenote and displays Album Art and Info but when playing Flac all it only displays the name of the file (e.g. "TrackOne.flac") and doesn't display album art.

Possibly a tag issue. What tags do your flac files have (Flac and/or ID3)? If neither that could be the issue. If just Flac tags then maybe the Oppo just reads ID3 tags. If so, you can add ID3 tags to your flac files.

Chris
post #1048 of 10066
Thread Starter 
Release date: December 12, 2012
Category: Latest Official Release
Main Version: BDP10X-38-1211
Loader Version: 6U0900 (BDP-103), 7B0600 (BDP-105)
Sub Version: MCU103-05-0916 (BDP-103), MCU105-04-1113 (BDP-105)

1. Resolved the HDMI high bit-rate (HBR) audio loss issue with Anthem MRX 300/500/700 AV Receivers. Customers have reported that when sending DTS-HD MA or Dolby True HD signals in Bitstream mode through HDMI 1 OUT to these Anthem receivers, no audio was detected by Anthem and static noise could be heard on the speakers. This issue has been resolved.
2. Improved audio/video synchronization for disc playback, internet streaming, and external HDMI/MHL inputs. In the previous firmware, customers have been reporting that the sound could be out of sync with the picture. This issue has been improved.
3. Improved media file navigation on USB hard disk or thumb drives. Added Thumbnail View mode for Movie and Music. Customers can press the RED color button to quickly switch between File List mode and Thumbnail View mode. There is also an improvement to the responsiveness achieved by caching some of the media information in an "OPPO_Media_Info" folder on the USB drive. NOTE: for users who prefer that the player not write anything to the USB drive, there is a "Cache Media Info" item in the "Setup Menu" under "Device Setup". We recommend that you set this "Cache Media Info" option to ON and do not delete the "OPPO_Media_Info" folder and its files. This will deliver user experience improvement in media navigation. On the other hand, turning this option OFF can prevent the player from writing to your USB drive, at the cost of slower media file navigation.
4. Added the "Blank HDMI 2" option in the Setup Menu -> Video Setup -> 3D Setting. This allows the player to force HDMI 2 to output a 2D blank screen when HDMI 1 outputs 3D video. Some customers reported that during 3D movie playback, when HDMI 1 was connected to a 3D display and HDMI 2 was connected to a non-3D receiver which in turn is connected to the same 3D display, there was no audio coming from the receiver. This issue has been resolved.
5. Resolved the incorrect aspect ratio (AR) during some user-created media. In the previous firmware the player may have unnecessarily pillarboxed or stretched the video of some user-created media files. This issue has been resolved.
6. Resolved an incompatibility with older Digital Coaxial or Optical receivers where streaming services (such as Netflix, YouTube) produced no audio.
7. Added support for "Rhapsody" online music and "CinemaNow" movie/TV streaming services.
8. Added "Sleep Timer" option in the Setup Menu -> Device Setup. This allows the player to turn itself off after a specific amount of time.
9. Added support for converting Side-by-Side and Top-Bottom formatted MKV into 3D. During the playback of a compatible MKV, press the 3D button on the remote once to turn on the "2D->3D" conversion then press the 3D button again to display the "3D Setting" menu. Select "Side-by-Side" or "Top-Bottom" to match the source to convert the image to 3D.
10. Added the support for DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD sound tracks in MKV files. As with any user-encoded media files, compatibility still depends on the software and techniques used to encode the media files.
11. Added "CD Program Play" function for CD/SACD playback. During the disc playback, press the YELLOW COLOR button to bring the "Program Play" interface. Here you can use the LEFT/RIGHT ARROW button to set a desired playlist.
12. General disc compatibility improvement based on recent and upcoming Blu-ray releases as well as user-submitted disc samples.
post #1049 of 10066
I sent an email out just a few hours ago asking for a confirmation of a bug and there is a fix. Great job Oppo!
post #1050 of 10066
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Release date: December 12, 2012
Category: Latest Official Release
Main Version: BDP10X-38-1211
Loader Version: 6U0900 (BDP-103), 7B0600 (BDP-105)
Sub Version: MCU103-05-0916 (BDP-103), MCU105-04-1113 (BDP-105)


I just tried to upgrade via network, and I get . Can not connect to sever. The firmware is not upgraded. I did a connection test and it works fine. Netflix works.
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