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post #1771 of 10184
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Originally Posted by Jaguar67 View Post

I have a strange problem. I'm using my 105 in a home office to listen to CDs/SACDs/music from my computer while I work. The volume level when listening to computer files (via the USB DAC) is fine. I can adjust it exactly where I want it. However, when listening to a CD or Pandora, I have put the volume all the way down to 1 and it is still a little loud, as it can be heard out in our great room where my wife and son spend most of the day while I am working. I have the 105 connected directly to an Emotiva XPA-3 and am using a very small pair of old Polk bookshelf speakers. Is there any way to fine tune the volume increments?

I realize I can use headphones (that is one of the reasons why I opted for the 105), but wearing headphones all day becomes uncomfortable.

Set Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT and the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs will respond to the volume trim settings you can set for Left Front and Right Front in the multi-channel set.
--Bob
post #1772 of 10184
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Originally Posted by jeff52 View Post

Thanks Kal...I will try to connect an HDMI cable to the Oppo without a monitor to see if that will result in the Oppo being recognized as a player via Foobar or WMP. I don't know why that would be necessary, but according to Doug's post it may be an issue. It's not the end of the world as I have a Touch connected to the system so I can still push music to the Touch via my computer and the Touch does play gapless audio.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. I disconnected my HDMI cable and started everything up and was able to use the OPPO as a renderer with no problems.

Don't mean to ask stupid questions but you know the OPPO is working on your network (can it see streamed data/ other devices on the network) and are you sure it's on the same network as your computer? I have 2 networks going in my house so I keep having to switch the network my computer is on. I'm just asking because I really don't think you have to do anything - if the oppo is on the network, foobar seems to find it. Actually most of my software see's the oppo, being able to use it has sometimes been a different matter.
post #1773 of 10184
I finally got WMP to recognize the player and was able to stream music to it, however it leaves a lot to be desired using it in that fashion. Some songs play, others won't and some hang while "contacting the media server". I also was able to get Foobar to recognize the player but it buffers and then stops and won't play the queued files.

I have given up using the player in this fashion and will use my Touch rather than the OPPO. The player works fine when accessing music via a server but doesn't work worth a crap when pushing music to it. If I ever decide to use the OPPO for playing files from my computer I will connect a monitor and use the network interface to locate and pull music from the server. The Touch works flawlessly with lossless FLAC and 24/96 high res files over the network but the OPPO/WMP/Foobar combination is a PITA when pushing music to it.
post #1774 of 10184
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Originally Posted by jeff52 View Post

I finally got WMP to recognize the player and was able to stream music to it, however it leaves a lot to be desired using it in that fashion. Some songs play, others won't and some hang while "contacting the media server". I also was able to get Foobar to recognize the player but it buffers and then stops and won't play the queued files.

Well, at least, you finally got it to work. Maybe, a future firmware update will make things less difficult for you. smile.gif
post #1775 of 10184
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

I wouldn't worry about it too much. I disconnected my HDMI cable and started everything up and was able to use the OPPO as a renderer with no problems.
Don't mean to ask stupid questions but you know the OPPO is working on your network (can it see streamed data/ other devices on the network) and are you sure it's on the same network as your computer? I have 2 networks going in my house so I keep having to switch the network my computer is on. I'm just asking because I really don't think you have to do anything - if the oppo is on the network, foobar seems to find it. Actually most of my software see's the oppo, being able to use it has sometimes been a different matter.

Thanks for the suggestions. I set up the network years ago and have been using a Touch and Squeezebox Classics and two laptops via wireless with an access point in my audio room. The network has never had any problems streaming music to the Squeezebox player or using the laptops. I agree with you, the issue relates to "being able to use it" as opposed to anything else. It's no big deal because I intend to continue to use the Touch and other Squeezebox players to stream lossless music to my audio room, bedroom, kitchen and home theater. I just wanted to play around with pushing music. I've played around enough and have decided it isn't worth it. I can always purchase a small monitor and pull music from a server to the OPPO if I need to--which works great, but I don't use any video in my dedicated audio room and prefer the Touch with gapless playback anyway. smile.gif
post #1776 of 10184
Does anyone know the output impedance for rca and xlr
post #1777 of 10184
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

Does anyone know the output impedance for rca and xlr

See this info from the OPPO UK site:

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/UserFiles/Docs/PDF/BDP-105EU%20Direct%20Power%20Amplifier%20Connection%20V2.pdf

--Bob
post #1778 of 10184
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Originally Posted by jeff52 View Post

Thanks for the suggestions. I set up the network years ago and have been using a Touch and Squeezebox Classics and two laptops via wireless with an access point in my audio room. The network has never had any problems streaming music to the Squeezebox player or using the laptops. I agree with you, the issue relates to "being able to use it" as opposed to anything else. It's no big deal because I intend to continue to use the Touch and other Squeezebox players to stream lossless music to my audio room, bedroom, kitchen and home theater. I just wanted to play around with pushing music. I've played around enough and have decided it isn't worth it. I can always purchase a small monitor and pull music from a server to the OPPO if I need to--which works great, but I don't use any video in my dedicated audio room and prefer the Touch with gapless playback anyway. smile.gif

Can you use USB/optical/coax into the oppo? Nothing to fiddle with there; if you can get an output to it, it will work.
post #1779 of 10184
finally had a chance to look, no bubbleupnp on Kindle either frown.gif
post #1780 of 10184
Hi,

Can someone try loading the Lord Of The Rings Fellowship Of The Ring Part 1 and Part 2 Extended Edition Bluray. My Oppo is not able to load these 2 discs. I have tried powering off and on, resitting the discs and unplugging with no success.

Thanks,

Edit: Never mind, I erased the internal persistent storage and it loaded. Could be a bug, It said 65 MB used,
Edited by pinoiski - 12/27/12 at 7:22pm
post #1781 of 10184
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

...
Finally, if you want to try SACD DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion, you should ONLY play the Stereo layer of your SACDs. There is no audio processing possible and so if you play the 5.1 layer the extra channels just get discarded. Now when doing this -- again because there is no audio processing -- the speakers are treated as Large (no Crossover). And so there will be NO SUBWOOFER OUTPUT. There's no LFE channel in the 2.0 layer of course, and there's no bass being steered to the Sub from the mains. The upshot is that you don't have to fiddle with the volume setting on the Sub because the Sub will be silent! Voila!
--Bob

Bob, when playing DSD direct to analog from 5.1 sources, do all the settings for speaker distance and trims remain in place? I ask this because you say that for DSD the speakers will be defaulted to Large. I have currently set up my speakers to small with -6DB trims to the xlrs fr/fl and I have adjusted the distances to match my room, but I am wondering if all of that is for naught?

Another thing, now that I have had the unit for a couple of weeks, the bass is increasing like crazy. It went from pretty anemic out of the box needing about DBs increase (+15 out of my Fathom F113 + 3db trim from the oppo) for music and movies. Now, for movies I had to take out the +3 DB trim altogether and for movies I am at +12DBs or less (depending on the movie, Prometheus required about +8 only). Music is about the same. Really remarkable break in. I experienced the same thing with the 95, but it took longer than 2 weeks.

Thanks!
post #1782 of 10184
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

Can you use USB/optical/coax into the oppo? Nothing to fiddle with there; if you can get an output to it, it will work.

Yes I can do that but I hate to admit it but in my system in my acoustically treated dedicated audio room using a Balanced Audio Technology VK-40 preamp with 6-PAK output capacitors and a Bryston 14B-SST dual mono amp feeding a pair of PSB Stratus Gold i's I am hard-pressed to distinguish a difference in sound between the DAC in the Touch and the OPPO. I know it is heresy to say that because the Sabre DAC is supposed to be a "great DAC" but I really can't discern any difference based on A-B listening. In fact, based on the specifications I think most people would be challenged to find a difference between the BDP-103 and BDP-105 if subjected to a blind test between the two. Notwithstanding that statement, I really like the OPPO because it will play anything I throw at it and it sounds great. My Denon DVD-2910 choked on many discs which are no problem with the OPPO so I have no complaints whatsoever.
post #1783 of 10184
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Originally Posted by jeff52 View Post

Yes I can do that but I hate to admit it but in my system in my acoustically treated dedicated audio room using a Balanced Audio Technology VK-40 preamp with 6-PAK output capacitors and a Bryston 14B-SST dual mono amp feeding a pair of PSB Stratus Gold i's I am hard-pressed to distinguish a difference in sound between the DAC in the Touch and the OPPO. I know it is heresy to say that because the Sabre DAC is supposed to be a "great DAC" but I really can't discern any difference based on A-B listening. In fact, based on the specifications I think most people would be challenged to find a difference between the BDP-103 and BDP-105 if subjected to a blind test between the two. Notwithstanding that statement, I really like the OPPO because it will play anything I throw at it and it sounds great. My Denon DVD-2910 choked on many discs which are no problem with the OPPO so I have no complaints whatsoever.

Anybody have any opinions on the audio differences between the 103 and 105 for music only?

I've seen a few posts and had experiences that urge caution to me for jumping in and buying a 105 mostly for stereo......
post #1784 of 10184
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Originally Posted by jeff52 View Post

I finally got WMP to recognize the player and was able to stream music to it, however it leaves a lot to be desired using it in that fashion. Some songs play, others won't and some hang while "contacting the media server". I also was able to get Foobar to recognize the player but it buffers and then stops and won't play the queued files.
I have given up using the player in this fashion and will use my Touch rather than the OPPO. The player works fine when accessing music via a server but doesn't work worth a crap when pushing music to it. If I ever decide to use the OPPO for playing files from my computer I will connect a monitor and use the network interface to locate and pull music from the server. The Touch works flawlessly with lossless FLAC and 24/96 high res files over the network but the OPPO/WMP/Foobar combination is a PITA when pushing music to it.

WMP will not play some audio formats (like FLAC) so that may be why some songs won't play.
post #1785 of 10184
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

Anybody have any opinions on the audio differences between the 103 and 105 for music only?
I've seen a few posts and had experiences that urge caution to me for jumping in and buying a 105 mostly for stereo......

If you want balanced output, headphone capability and the ability to use the player as a DAC for other equipment, then the 105 is the obvious choice. The audio specs for both units are excellent. The 105 has a better built 2-channel audio section when it comes to the power supply, DAC, etc., however whether that translates into an audible difference would depend on your other equipment and your listening room and speakers. Based on the specs the differences should be subtle and that's where you would have to rely upon your ears listening to your system in your room.
post #1786 of 10184
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

Anybody have any opinions on the audio differences between the 103 and 105 for music only?
I've seen a few posts and had experiences that urge caution to me for jumping in and buying a 105 mostly for stereo......

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Originally Posted by jeff52 View Post

If you want balanced output, headphone capability and the ability to use the player as a DAC for other equipment, then the 105 is the obvious choice. The audio specs for both units are excellent. The 105 has a better built 2-channel audio section when it comes to the power supply, DAC, etc., however whether that translates into an audible difference would depend on your other equipment and your listening room and speakers. Based on the specs the differences should be subtle and that's where you would have to rely upon your ears listening to your system in your room.

It also depends on your AVR/Preamps handling of LPCM (CD's, DVD-Audio, WAV, FLAC, etc).
My Onkyo PC-SC5509 is awful at processing LPCM over HDMI; the analog outputs much much better.


103 versus 105 is dependant on your equipment, room, and ears smile.gif I wish there was a better answer.
If you are an enthusiast about sound, then get the 105. You can improve 2 out of 3 of the above.

The 105 analog is absolutely outstanding with my Revel Salons and a noticeable improvement.

- Rich
post #1787 of 10184
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

WMP will not play some audio formats (like FLAC) so that may be why some songs won't play.

Thanks but that is not the issue as I had already installed the K-Lite Codec Pack and and am able to play flac and other audio formats with WMP.
post #1788 of 10184
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

103 versus 105 is dependant on your equipment, room, and ears smile.gif I wish there was a better answer.
If you are an enthusiast about sound, then get the 105. You can improve 2 out of 3 of the above.
The 105 analog is absolutely outstanding with my Revel Salons and a noticeable improvement.
- Rich

I wish there was a better answer too, but the noise floor and ambient noise level in your audio room, the distortion and dynamic range of your preamp and amplifier or receiver, the frequency response of your speakers, the location of your listening position, speaker to wall placement and your audio room's size and shape and it's acoustical frequency response all come into play which is why I would not want to bet the farm that I could reliably identify a difference in an ABX test between the 103 and 105.
post #1789 of 10184
Am i reading this right? If i turn auto-mute off then i get a SNR of 130db and with it on 115? That 130 spec is ridiculous!
I still can't make up my mind what i want to do.
Should i get a receiver (yuck except room correction) or should i get a 105. I hate the thought of adding something that's going to add more channel crosstalk and noise to the signal like a receiver would do.
Can i get the same results as room correction by getting an spl meter and adjusting volume on the oppo?
Also, does anyone have real experience with dac's? I've come to think that a one dac will be better than another simply by being able to calculate more information per second like a cpu. Isn't that all a dac does other than reduce jitter? What i'm saying is that if there are two dacs that reduce jitter the same amount and can decode all the given information or even just the same amount of information in a given time will they sound any different as long as the manufacture doesn't add any amplitude to certain frequencies of the digital image to give it a different sound or will they sound completely identical. (also same signal noise ratio too)
post #1790 of 10184
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

Can you use USB/optical/coax into the oppo? Nothing to fiddle with there; if you can get an output to it, it will work.

The Squeezebox Touch has available a custom real time kernel (EDO) as a 3rd party plug-in that combined with the USB output is a pretty nice source. In conjunction with the asynchronous USB port on the Oppo it should be a pretty good combination.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94512-Announce-Enhanced-Digital-Output-app-USB-Dac-and-192k-Digital-Ouput
post #1791 of 10184
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Originally Posted by nycjazz View Post

Bob, when playing DSD direct to analog from 5.1 sources, do all the settings for speaker distance and trims remain in place? I ask this because you say that for DSD the speakers will be defaulted to Large. I have currently set up my speakers to small with -6DB trims to the xlrs fr/fl and I have adjusted the distances to match my room, but I am wondering if all of that is for naught?
Another thing, now that I have had the unit for a couple of weeks, the bass is increasing like crazy. It went from pretty anemic out of the box needing about DBs increase (+15 out of my Fathom F113 + 3db trim from the oppo) for music and movies. Now, for movies I had to take out the +3 DB trim altogether and for movies I am at +12DBs or less (depending on the movie, Prometheus required about +8 only). Music is about the same. Really remarkable break in. I experienced the same thing with the 95, but it took longer than 2 weeks.
Thanks!

The bass should not be increasing. But I have noticed the same phenomenon and I think it comes down to bugs in the analog processing. Likely you had one setting where the SUB was disabled or the Crossover was Disabled. Then you powered off / powered on later and the SUB and/or Crossover was working again. I find this very confounding and am at the point where I do not trust the analog output. I don't call it "break-in" - I call it broken.

For example, play a 5.1 source (SACD, DVDA, etc) and change the crossover to something extreme like 250 - nothing will happen. Turn off the power to your sub and verify - leave it off while you check this. Set the x-over back to 40 - nothing different. Set it back to 250. Power the Oppo off / Power Oppo on - now you'll hear the x-over @ 250 thinning your mains. Or rather than power on / power off - just toggle the mixdown from 7.1 to 5.1 and back. It could be possible this but only happens with the 5.1 mixdown. At any rate, I suspect many who are finding the sound of the 105 to be lacking are experiencing bugs in the analog processing. What you see on the settings is not necessarily what is happening, so if it sounds bad, the settings are probably not taking effect.

I'd appreciate anyone to check this and verify - possibly my unit is defective, although the behavior is like buggy software, not defective hardware.

My settings for this (generally):

Processing - All speakers set to small / Mixdown 5.1 / playback is through the multi-channel analog outputs
Stereo Outs - Stereo Mixdown
HDMI Split Mode (or Dual - doesn't matter)
Audio formats to Bitstream
SACD to DSD or PCM, doesn't matter.

Other confounding behavior:
- no DSD to Analog unless HDMI Split Mode is enabled - even though HDMI is not being used for DSD playback.
- Analog Sub Output level seems inconsistent depending on the source (as mentioned above - it can seem like it has gotten louder, but can also get quiet again).

While the analog section can sound good, using it is flying blind at the moment because of the buggy behavior from my experience.
post #1792 of 10184
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Originally Posted by jeff52 View Post

I wish there was a better answer too, but the noise floor and ambient noise level in your audio room, the distortion and dynamic range of your preamp and amplifier or receiver, the frequency response of your speakers, the location of your listening position, speaker to wall placement and your audio room's size and shape and it's acoustical frequency response all come into play which is why I would not want to bet the farm that I could reliably identify a difference in an ABX test between the 103 and 105.

I owned the 103 and now the 105 for three weeks, I think the 105 has noticeably cleaner highs. Bass has more authority and subtle improvements in other aspects of sound quality. It would need modded to get that last bit of performance for a more realistic natural sound, and hear the potential of the Sabre Dacs, in my opinion.

This was built at that lowish price point, so there is a lot of upgrade potential, but if you are not an audiophile get the 103 and be done with it!

I don't think any modding will improve the basic specs, but anyone that would get a player modded knows by experience that specs are not the only thing involved when it comes to sound quality. I am sure a lot will disagree with this, I get in trouble when I write these kinds of comments on this site sometimes. LOL
Edited by Todd68 - 12/28/12 at 9:06am
post #1793 of 10184
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

The bass should not be increasing. But I have noticed the same phenomenon and I think it comes down to bugs in the analog processing. Likely you had one setting where the SUB was disabled or the Crossover was Disabled. Then you powered off / powered on later and the SUB and/or Crossover was working again. I find this very confounding and am at the point where I do not trust the analog output. I don't call it "break-in" - I call it broken.
For example, play a 5.1 source (SACD, DVDA, etc) and change the crossover to something extreme like 250 - nothing will happen. Turn off the power to your sub and verify - leave it off while you check this. Set the x-over back to 40 - nothing different. Set it back to 250. Power the Oppo off / Power Oppo on - now you'll hear the x-over @ 250 thinning your mains. Or rather than power on / power off - just toggle the mixdown from 7.1 to 5.1 and back. It could be possible this but only happens with the 5.1 mixdown. At any rate, I suspect many who are finding the sound of the 105 to be lacking are experiencing bugs in the analog processing. What you see on the settings is not necessarily what is happening, so if it sounds bad, the settings are probably not taking effect.
I'd appreciate anyone to check this and verify - possibly my unit is defective, although the behavior is like buggy software, not defective hardware.
My settings for this (generally):
Processing - All speakers set to small / Mixdown 5.1 / playback is through the multi-channel analog outputs
Stereo Outs - Stereo Mixdown
HDMI Split Mode (or Dual - doesn't matter)
Audio formats to Bitstream
SACD to DSD or PCM, doesn't matter.
Other confounding behavior:
- no DSD to Analog unless HDMI Split Mode is enabled - even though HDMI is not being used for DSD playback.
- Analog Sub Output level seems inconsistent depending on the source (as mentioned above - it can seem like it has gotten louder, but can also get quiet again).
While the analog section can sound good, using it is flying blind at the moment because of the buggy behavior from my experience.

I have basically the same setup and I haven't seen any issues like this. Please note that I haven't changed the crossover from 80Hz nor the 7.1 to 5.1 downmix/speaker sizes. I set them once and left them alone and everything from the analog output has been consistent. I will try this on the weekend to see if I can recreate the issue.

Cheers.

Tony
post #1794 of 10184
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

The bass should not be increasing. But I have noticed the same phenomenon and I think it comes down to bugs in the analog processing. Likely you had one setting where the SUB was disabled or the Crossover was Disabled. Then you powered off / powered on later and the SUB and/or Crossover was working again. I find this very confounding and am at the point where I do not trust the analog output. I don't call it "break-in" - I call it broken.
For example, play a 5.1 source (SACD, DVDA, etc) and change the crossover to something extreme like 250 - nothing will happen. Turn off the power to your sub and verify - leave it off while you check this. Set the x-over back to 40 - nothing different. Set it back to 250. Power the Oppo off / Power Oppo on - now you'll hear the x-over @ 250 thinning your mains. Or rather than power on / power off - just toggle the mixdown from 7.1 to 5.1 and back. It could be possible this but only happens with the 5.1 mixdown. At any rate, I suspect many who are finding the sound of the 105 to be lacking are experiencing bugs in the analog processing. What you see on the settings is not necessarily what is happening, so if it sounds bad, the settings are probably not taking effect.
I'd appreciate anyone to check this and verify - possibly my unit is defective, although the behavior is like buggy software, not defective hardware.
My settings for this (generally):
Processing - All speakers set to small / Mixdown 5.1 / playback is through the multi-channel analog outputs
Stereo Outs - Stereo Mixdown
HDMI Split Mode (or Dual - doesn't matter)
Audio formats to Bitstream
SACD to DSD or PCM, doesn't matter.
Other confounding behavior:
- no DSD to Analog unless HDMI Split Mode is enabled - even though HDMI is not being used for DSD playback.
- Analog Sub Output level seems inconsistent depending on the source (as mentioned above - it can seem like it has gotten louder, but can also get quiet again).
While the analog section can sound good, using it is flying blind at the moment because of the buggy behavior from my experience.

Just thought of something. Do you have HDMI Audio disabled?

Cheers.

Tony
post #1795 of 10184
^^^^ No, I don't have HDMI audio disabled - which shouldn't matter, but I can try that. It may affect the DSD quirk, but I doubt it affects this X-over bug....

SACD X-Over Bug.

So here is this BUG in detail: After playing an SACD 5.1 Disc (PCM), the X-over in Analog Processing setting cannot be directly changed.

Repro:

- SACD 5.1 Disc Loaded
- Playback Through Multi-channel outputs - Downmix 7.1 or 5.1
- Stereo Outputs set to Down-mixed Stereo (used for dedicated stereo zone - although this setting has no affect on the bug)
- Start SACD Playback
- Change X-over values between extreme settings: 40, then 250, then 40, then 250 - there will be no difference in the sound (turning off the Subwoofer Power will make this much clearer).
- Toggle the Downmix between 7.1 and 5.1 - the new X-over value now will be audible - or power off the BDP-105 and power it back on; the new X-over value is now active.
- Any change in X-over requires toggling the Downmix or powering off/on to become effective.

- Stop SACD playback (do not eject disc)
- Start 5.1 FLAC play from USB hard drive
- Change X-over values between extreme settings: 40, then 250, then 40, then 250 - there will be no difference in the sound (turning off the Subwoofer Power will make this much clearer).
- Toggle the Downmix between 7.1 and 5.1 - the new X-over value now will be audible - or power off the BDP-105 and power it back on; the new X-over value is now active.
- Now any further changes in X-over will become immediately effective - until any SACD is played again.

I'm not sure what other audio processing features are affected by this (trim, distance) - I have not tested those.

I suppose after the system is setup and calibrated (if calibrated while the bug is not in effect), as long as no changes are made to the X-over, most people will not experience this problem.

I can repeat this problem 100% of the time - it is either common, or my system is defective. I'll send info to Oppo and see what they say. There is a similar confirmed bug when using the Stereo Outs as FL / FR.
Edited by stevepow - 12/28/12 at 10:35am
post #1796 of 10184
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

Thanks for all the replies-problem is here in Glasgow despite there being a variety of decent to excellent audio/visual dealers nobody stocks Oppo.......

amazon.co.uk has the 103 in stock and presumably the 105 will be in stock when supplies arrive. Oppo has limited retail distribution. Most owners are purchasing through the mail either direct from Oppo or from one of the Oppo resellers like Amazon.
post #1797 of 10184
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Just thought of something. Do you have HDMI Audio disabled?
Cheers.
Tony

Disabling HDMI Audio does indeed allow for DSD to Analog playback regardless of the HDMI Dual / Split setting. So at least one of those is a requirement for DSD: HDMI Split Mode or HDMI Audio OFF.

This has no effect on the SACD X-over bug.
Edited by stevepow - 12/28/12 at 11:16am
post #1798 of 10184
I did get a chance to listen to my new 105 this week for an extended music listening session. Using XLR's out and Red Book CD's, SACD's and DVD-A's they all sounded pretty good for a $1,200.00 player may rivel my $7,000.00 player that is a few years old. More on that in a later post. I use Nordost Vahalla cables thoughout my system Audio Research Referance 5 pre amp, Antique Sound Labs Hurricane mono amps in triode and MG 3.7's. I do have my 105 set for 2 channel for stereo out. My Oppo 83SE does not even come close to the 105 on none blu-ray material.
post #1799 of 10184
Stevepow, if you are using the bluray player as your source of speaker correction then why are you using hdmi audio out? are you running to a receiver? If you you are then the oppo is not doing the digital conversion or decoding to pcm , the receiver is. I would not use the receiver over the oppo unless you where using the receiver room correction software
post #1800 of 10184
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

The bass should not be increasing. But I have noticed the same phenomenon and I think it comes down to bugs in the analog processing. Likely you had one setting where the SUB was disabled or the Crossover was Disabled. Then you powered off / powered on later and the SUB and/or Crossover was working again. I find this very confounding and am at the point where I do not trust the analog output. I don't call it "break-in" - I call it broken.
For example, play a 5.1 source (SACD, DVDA, etc) and change the crossover to something extreme like 250 - nothing will happen. Turn off the power to your sub and verify - leave it off while you check this. Set the x-over back to 40 - nothing different. Set it back to 250. Power the Oppo off / Power Oppo on - now you'll hear the x-over @ 250 thinning your mains. Or rather than power on / power off - just toggle the mixdown from 7.1 to 5.1 and back. It could be possible this but only happens with the 5.1 mixdown. At any rate, I suspect many who are finding the sound of the 105 to be lacking are experiencing bugs in the analog processing. What you see on the settings is not necessarily what is happening, so if it sounds bad, the settings are probably not taking effect.
I'd appreciate anyone to check this and verify - possibly my unit is defective, although the behavior is like buggy software, not defective hardware.
My settings for this (generally):
Processing - All speakers set to small / Mixdown 5.1 / playback is through the multi-channel analog outputs
Stereo Outs - Stereo Mixdown
HDMI Split Mode (or Dual - doesn't matter)
Audio formats to Bitstream
SACD to DSD or PCM, doesn't matter.
Other confounding behavior:
- no DSD to Analog unless HDMI Split Mode is enabled - even though HDMI is not being used for DSD playback.
- Analog Sub Output level seems inconsistent depending on the source (as mentioned above - it can seem like it has gotten louder, but can also get quiet again).
While the analog section can sound good, using it is flying blind at the moment because of the buggy behavior from my experience.

I run my mains large on the 105 using it purely for stereo playback via the balanced outs no sub and yes there is more bass due largely in part to "burn in" this did occur with my 95 as well the bass was indeed very anemic and highs quite brash but the mids where very forward because of this, a week later after continuous play back 24/7 (12hrs on 30 off min off to drain the caps) the sound is filling out using the same tracks repeatedly during this process. It took the 95 upwards of 400 to 500 hrs to sound its best but looking back at my notes at around the 150 hr mark I noted a very noticeable increase in the bass and it bested what I referred to at the time the "Big" full sound from the Denon 5900 the 95 replaced and at the 500 hr mark was some of the best bass I'd heard from a digital source! At this point the 105 is getting there quicker and as others have reported the bass is indeed more refined and best of all didn't give up the weight the 95 had but just added more shades and definition.

stay tuned more to come as I will fix my plate of "crow" albeit its smaller than the helping I had when the 95 was released!wink.gif
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