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post #2191 of 10115
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

As stated numerous times before, there's no clear-cut answer to whether HDMI or analog is better as it depends entirely on what's at the other end of the cable(s). In your case, you mentioned that you've found that Audyssey makes a pretty big improvement in the sound - that means you would want to use HDMI instead of analog. You also have a mix of 2 different brands of speakers. My advice, as I stated before, is to get a BDP-103 and put the extra money into upgrading your speakers so at least the front three speakers are all from the same brand and intended to be used together. IMO, that's a much better way to spend the extra $700.

What's wrong with having 2 brand's of speakers..... elaborate please.
post #2192 of 10115
Simple question,I use a PS3 to play blu-ray movie's so it's connected to my Dnon AVR-2808 via HDMI and we all know the reciever has a better DAC than the PS3.
If I connect the 103/105 via HDMI to the reciever won't I get the same result's or better concedering the 105 has a better DAC then my reciever,will that give me a weak sound due to the reciever doing all the processing?
post #2193 of 10115
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

I am consider a direct to power amp hook up (Mcintosh MC 303), with XLR leaving the RCA output for connection to my Denon, and the Oppo will also being connection with the usual HDMI out to my Denon.
Some questions:
The volume is only for analogue out? Will it affect the HDMI output as well?
Analog only.
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Are the Oppo XLR and analogue output usable at the same time?
Yes, all outputs are always active (ignoring that SACD isn't available on the coax/toslink digital outputs).
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BTW, will there be an issue if we connect both the XLR and RCA inputs of the Mcintosh at the same time?
That's best asked elsewhere in a thread for your amp, or ask McIntosh. Some amps have switches to select between XLR and RCA, some auto detect. Some will place nicely if both inputs are connected, some won't.

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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

What's wrong with having 2 brand's of speakers..... elaborate please.
The sonic signatures are going to be different. So when you get sounds panning across the front (or from the left/right front to the rear in your case), there won't be a seamless transition as the object moves from left to center to right (or left/right to rear). It's pretty well accepted that the ideal is to have 3 identical speakers across the front. When that's not practical (which is usually the case), the next best thing is to go with the same brand and a speaker from the same series to get the best match possible.
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

But will the analogue output's enhance the SQ on the Receiver ?
If you're using Audyssey and intend to continue doing so, there's absolutely no reason to even consider using the analog outputs. If you use the analog outputs AND Audyssey, the analog audio must be converted back to digital for Audyssey to be applied then BACK to analog using the DAC in the receiver. By doing so, you've added 2 extra conversions - there's no way that's going to improve the sound. Also keep in mind that your receiver most likely can't apply Audyssey to the 7.1 Ext In inputs (with Denon, I believe only the flagship models can do that).

If you just want us to tell you to spend the extra $700, just say so. I'm trying to save you from spending $700 that you really don't need to.
post #2194 of 10115
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

Simple question,I use a PS3 to play blu-ray movie's so it's connected to my Dnon AVR-2808 via HDMI and we all know the reciever has a better DAC than the PS3.
If I connect the 103/105 via HDMI to the reciever won't I get the same result's or better concedering the 105 has a better DAC then my reciever,will that give me a weak sound due to the reciever doing all the processing?
Unless you use the analog outputs, the DAC in the Oppo doesn't come into play.
post #2195 of 10115
Hello,
I have been using my 105 as a 7 channel preamp direct to my power amp as the poster below describes, as many of you have been discussing. I bought it for that purpose. I used it for a few weeks the normal way with my existing NAD 163 Prepro and the 7 channel 973 power amp, rated at 140 wpc into 8 ohms. I use it to drive 7 magnepan speakers, including pairs of MG 1.6QRs, 10QRs, MMGW. and a CC5. Those speakers are less than 8 ohms, not real efficient, and the amp cranks out considerably more than 140 wpc into them. I have been using this sysem for 7 years and know it very well. When I had thoroughtly gotten used to the sound of the 105 in my system playing 2 ch CDs, SACDs, DVDs and BRDs, I converted over to straight driving the power amp. My prepro has nothing connected now. I was so blown away by the clarity, resolution, deffinition, and "sound" that I would never go back. I set mine up per Bob P's recommendations, so I get the sub with 2 channels, and any other combo of 5.1 or 7.1 automatically without having to mess with any changes. My Lady is not afraid of it, and can turn it on, set an input and run the volume very simply with no confusion. It is a no brainer, and better and less complicated than I have ever had in my house, and I have always had very good stereo. I know there are many newer, better and more expensive amps out there now, but I can not imagine anything sounding any better than I have right now. Plus, I like to play stuff pretty loud, and I have not managed to get the volume up over 85% at any time--with absolutely crystal clear, awesome sound!
If you are thinking of trying the direct approach, do not be afraid of it. Just do it. You might be like me and not want to go back to the old way. Anything electronic, and every cable you insert, even good ones, modifies your sound. The clarity and detail acquired by the purer method is habit forming.
I do however still have to figure out a way to play an alalog input from my phono preamp into one of the OPPO inputs.
BC


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Originally Posted by decooney View Post

Jeff / Perpendicular,
Tonight I was reading a 2012 Home Theater Review awards article about the BDP-103 from earlier this year and just realized something. If I wanted to completely bypass my Integra DHC 40.1 preamp all together (effectively eliminate it), and just use the Oppo BDP-103 or BDP-105 for BluRay with all 5.1 RCA analog channels out direct to each of my amplifier(s) analog inputs, I could then make full use of the internal DAC in the Oppo player instead, thus using it like a preamp with volume control and all? (If the Oppo players will actually work like a preamp with volume and all, its another option I had not considered trying). I was thinking all along about two channel audio, but in reverse, I could do 5.1 direct to my amps as well. If so, that's another interesting option and I wonder if it would sound better removing one additional layer out of the chain. I recall you saying you had tried direct-attach for stereo, but had not asked if you had tried the same with 5.1 direct-to-amp inputs for home theater surround. Hmmm...
Quote: from HTR article -
Re: BDP-103 "Mate it directly to a multi-channel amp and watch as the 103 kicks your AV preamp to the curb, serving as the quintessential centerpiece", unquote.
Update;
Just found an interesting conversation going on over at Stereophile tonight where another guy is asking the same questions I am now about wanting to potentially elminate his primary preamp-processor completely and just use the Oppo as a BDP/DAC/Preamp control center. Theoretically, since I just watch digital capble TV and run Blu Rays through my existing pre-pro, and the new Oppo units allow both HDMI and USB inputs, I could effectively eliminate my existing pre-pro if I wanted to. Ugh, there I said it again. The comment they made on the other site is "So, beyond its universal disc playing capability of the Oppo,, it really can function like a DAC that has digital inputs and a volume control. It has analog stereo output but no facility to handle subwoofer output in a 2.1 configuration as I can see". I don't run a subwoofer for my high end two channel setup, so that is the only thing that would be missing that I can find so far. In theory it all seems good, but would have to try it and see if I could totally elminate my existing pre-pro unit. Can't think of any other reason I could not elminate it all together if the Oppo truly does all of this well. It's like a modern day integrated preamp invented all over again with a Blu Ray and DAC inside of it. Very clever. hmmm. eek.gif
post #2196 of 10115
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Analog only.
Yes, all outputs are always active (ignoring that SACD isn't available on the coax/toslink digital outputs).
That's best asked elsewhere in a thread for your amp, or ask McIntosh. Some amps have switches to select between XLR and RCA, some auto detect. Some will place nicely if both inputs are connected, some won't.
The sonic signatures are going to be different. So when you get sounds panning across the front (or from the left/right front to the rear in your case), there won't be a seamless transition as the object moves from left to center to right (or left/right to rear). It's pretty well accepted that the ideal is to have 3 identical speakers across the front. When that's not practical (which is usually the case), the next best thing is to go with the same brand and a speaker from the same series to get the best match possible.
If you're using Audyssey and intend to continue doing so, there's absolutely no reason to even consider using the analog outputs. If you use the analog outputs AND Audyssey, the analog audio must be converted back to digital for Audyssey to be applied then BACK to analog using the DAC in the receiver. By doing so, you've added 2 extra conversions - there's no way that's going to improve the sound. Also keep in mind that your receiver most likely can't apply Audyssey to the 7.1 Ext In inputs (with Denon, I believe only the flagship models can do that).
If you just want us to tell you to spend the extra $700, just say so. I'm trying to save you from spending $700 that you really don't need to.

I really appreciate that but I'm new to the oppo world,that's why I'm asking these stupid question's and repeting them.
To close the subject if I use analogue will it be like using HDMI with the audyssey turned of?
Bare with me guy's I know I'm giving you head aches.
post #2197 of 10115
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

To close the subject if I use analogue will it be like using HDMI with the audyssey turned of?
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I think you've got it. Using HDMI, your sound quality will not improve or even change with the new player. (assuming you bitstream to the AVR). As stated previously, the 103 with HDMI seems your best option. Unless you have a decidedly high-end analog system, the 105 is not for you.
post #2198 of 10115
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I think you've got it. Using HDMI, your sound quality will not improve or even change with the new player. (assuming you bitstream to the AVR). As stated previously, the 103 with HDMI seems your best option. Unless you have a decidedly high-end analog system, the 105 is not for you.

Even if I buy the 105 and connect it via analogue I won't gain nothing because of the AVR?
I don't know if the Denon AVR-2808 is concidered a high-end analog system.
Could some one help me with this so I can decide what to buy.
post #2199 of 10115
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

Even if I buy the 105 and connect it via analogue I won't gain nothing because of the AVR?
I don't know if the Denon AVR-2808 is concidered a high-end analog system.
Could some one help me with this so I can decide what to buy.
The Denon is a decent but not high end AVR. Your speakers are also decent but not high end. Your audio would probably sound a bit better if all your speakers were from the same manufacturer since their tonal qualities would match better. You will gain nothing in your setup from an analog connection because you are getting better results (from your own statements) with Audyssey and that requires a digital audio input (via HDMI). Buy the BDP-103 and hook it up using HDMI with bitstream to your AVR. That should give the best overall result with your equipment and setup. If you change your system significantly at some time in the future, it might be useful then to consider other alternatives. You need to stop agonizing. The 103 via HDMI will work for you.
post #2200 of 10115
My denon avr has 192Hz/24 bit DACs,to sum it up will it work if get the 105 and hook it via analog or go with 103 via HDMI?
post #2201 of 10115
For the equipment you have and what your goals are, get the 103 and hook it up via HDMI. I and several others have already advised you of this. In fact, for your goals you don't even need the Oppo, an inexpensive region-free player from another manufacturer might be all you need. Your AVR is not the limiting issue here, it is your goals and your speakers and the fact that you really need room correction that makes an HDMI input choice the one for you.
post #2202 of 10115
Hi Odd,

U should get the 105...U have been diagnosed, above, with 105itis, which invariably leads to uogradeitis. So...Ur gonna change ur other components and benefit from the 105, as it is fully intended. We all see this. Embrace it.

Thank you very much

Fury
post #2203 of 10115
>>>. Some amps have switches to select between XLR and RCA, some auto detect. Some will place nicely if both inputs are connected, some won't. ????

OT, but don't try using an Anthem Statement P5 AMP for BOTH RCA/XLR and toggling attenuation. Last week I fried the input stage while trying to use the 105's dedicated STEREO outs.
Sounded amazing,,, um .. for awhile..
post #2204 of 10115
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

[
[*] [*] For usb have you tried the 8801 its no slouch plus the added benefit of Audyssey if you so choose, if not set the lfe+main option under the sub option and digitize the mini mac you may be surprised at how well the 8801 handles this as I'm finding out myself its no slouch and its giving me some fine musical options;)

Wait, do you men the 8801 has a USB DAC as well? I know it has a USB input that is meant for an iPod, but now that you mention it, I guess that means it is a USB DAC, though I can't imagine it is as good as the Asynchronous 24/192 DAC in the Oppo 105.

I'd rather not do LFE+Main as then you end up with double bass. Also, I don't want to redigitize the signal in the 8801 after it's gone through the D-A conversion in the Oppo.
post #2205 of 10115
Oddmania,

You are getting excellent advice, take it from someone who discovered this site many,many years ago! I have learned so much on here and purchased my dream system by using the advice and the ideas of others that contribute on here. I also would start with having the correct speakers first. It is important to create the proper soundstage other wise you are wasting money. Change speakers to the same brand/type and I think you'll discover what you have been missing before. Good luck hope it works out for you.
post #2206 of 10115
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Originally Posted by bobcfla View Post

I do however still have to figure out a way to play an alalog input from my phono preamp into one of the OPPO inputs.
BC

What I'd do is make digital rips of the vinyl using a good USB sound card to 24/96. You can clean up the pops and clicks, and then you can play the records back with all the digital convenience of modern audio, no wear and tear on the fragile LPs etc.
post #2207 of 10115
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Originally Posted by beatmachine View Post

>>>. Some amps have switches to select between XLR and RCA, some auto detect. Some will place nicely if both inputs are connected, some won't. ????
OT, but don't try using an Anthem Statement P5 AMP for BOTH RCA/XLR and toggling attenuation. Last week I fried the input stage while trying to use the 105's dedicated STEREO outs.
Sounded amazing,,, um .. for awhile..
I think my suggestion of asking in a thread for his amp, or contacting McIntosh stands. But what I was referring to as switches wasn't about toggling attenuation, it was about actually selecting the RCA or XLR inputs. Either way, connecting to both inputs on an amp isn't something I would do myself smile.gif.
post #2208 of 10115
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Originally Posted by bobcfla View Post

I do however still have to figure out a way to play an alalog input from my phono preamp into one of the OPPO inputs.

And there's the gotcha. You might consider a phono stage and preamp just for phono, connected to a zero-insertion-loss switch like a Zektor. Plug the Oppo into the Zektor, plug the phono/preamp into the Zektor, and plug the Zektor into the amps.
post #2209 of 10115
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Originally Posted by beatmachine View Post

>>>. Some amps have switches to select between XLR and RCA, some auto detect. Some will place nicely if both inputs are connected, some won't. ????
OT, but don't try using an Anthem Statement P5 AMP for BOTH RCA/XLR and toggling attenuation. Last week I fried the input stage while trying to use the 105's dedicated STEREO outs.
Sounded amazing,,, um .. for awhile..

Uh... now you've scared me. I have the same amp. What did you do that blew up yours? The switches on the back select between RCA and XLR inputs. It should be safe to connect both at the same time.
post #2210 of 10115
My 105 just came in... Did a quick setup with HDMI and XLRs and my initial impressions of the Analog Audio XLRs with my AVM 50v set to Analog Direct... STUNNING! Enormous soundstage, meaty/well defined bass, clean/airy highs. More to come...

VERY EXCITED! Will be watching either Snow White and the Hunstman or Black Knight Rises tonight.
post #2211 of 10115
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

The decision tree goes something like this:
if your receiver has better DACs than the Oppo, send HDMI to the receiver, in which case don't bother with the 105 unless you want some of the other features it has over the 103
*but*
most receivers don't have DACs as good as the Oppo and/or don't have an analog section after the DACs as good as the Oppo, so in that case get the 105
*unless*
your receiver doesn't have a true bypass
*in which case*
it might run the analog inputs through one or more active components, which is bad or,
*worse*
it might actually convert the analog inputs back to D and then to A again, which is really bad

So what should I do?
Go with 105 hook it up via analogue and hope it work's if not connected via HDMI,and lose 700$ cuz it would be cheaper if I got the 103.
My receiver has both analogue and HDMI but I don't know which device has the better DAC.my receiver or the player .
In any case I'll only be using it to play blu-ray movie's only,no DVD's,CD's,music or file's on USB's................. ext.
Here's a rear picture of the AVR. rearlrg.jpg 401k .jpg file

 

Oddmania:

 

I would try this for the next 30 days. You can connect the HDMI and 2.0 and 7.1 RCA's from the 105 into your receiver. Then compare the sound between the 2.0 and HDMI inputs. Make sure you use a hirez 24-bit source for these tests. Do you hear a difference between the two inputs? Move on to compare the 7.1 and HDMI and again use a hirez MCH source. Many of these are free or dirty cheap from plenty of downloadable sites. Again, do you hear a difference between the two inputs into your receiver.

 

Spend as much time you need to compare these inputs. if you can't find a difference worth the extra $700, return the Oppo within a 30-day period and get the 103. I'm assuming the headphone amp, USB and HDMI inputs into the 105 aren't of interest to you.

 

No worries ...if you decide to keep  the 105 great. If not that's all great.

 

- David

post #2212 of 10115
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Oddmania:

I would try this for the next 30 days. You can connect the HDMI and 2.0 and 7.1 RCA's from the 105 into your receiver. Then compare the sound between the 2.0 and HDMI inputs. Make sure you use a hirez 24-bit source for these tests. Do you hear a difference between the two inputs? Move on to compare the 7.1 and HDMI and again use a hirez MCH source. Many of these are free or dirty cheap from plenty of downloadable sites. Again, do you hear a difference between the two inputs into your receiver.

Spend as much time you need to compare these inputs. if you can't find a difference worth the extra $700, return the Oppo within a 30-day period and get the 103. I'm assuming the headphone amp, USB and HDMI inputs into the 105 aren't of interest to you.

No worries ...if you decide to keep  the 105 great. If not that's all great.

- David

He's in Kuwait so the whole return in 30 days thing might be hard and/or expensive for him to do.
post #2213 of 10115
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

My 105 just came in... Did a quick setup with HDMI and XLRs and my initial impressions of the Analog Audio XLRs with my AVM 50v set to Analog Direct... STUNNING! Enormous soundstage, meaty/well defined bass, clean/airy highs. More to come...

VERY EXCITED! Will be watching either Snow White and the Hunstman or Black Knight Rises tonight.

 

Congrats Boyce ...enjoy your new toy. When you get a chance, can you perform the test you promised to do in the Anthem 50v/D2v forum for me pleasetongue.gif?

post #2214 of 10115
<<Uh... now you've scared me. I have the same amp. What did you do that blew up yours? The switches on the back select between RCA and XLR inputs. It should be safe to connect both at the same time>>>

Hi Jim

Ya, that's why this is such a valuable forum. You can learn from morons like me what NOT to do. Anyway, I had the 5 XLR's going into an Onkyo Pre/Pro and wanted to hear the 105's stereo DAC's.
Plugged in the RCA's in the back of the P5, toggled the attenuators and was treated to staging and imaging i never thought possible from the B&W's --even the Redbook's sounded detailed and warm!
I listened for about an hour. When done l, I powered down. Next day....nada! ... the five blue LED 's on the Statement's front do not light up. Troubleshot ...The 105 works fine as I listened through the headphones. Ran the XBOX through the Onkyo -
no sound. Ironically, the shipping costs of this beast to Toronto will equal parts and labor for new input stage. Live and learn..

How does your P5 sound with 105?
post #2215 of 10115
DSD over USB 2.0

Postive Feedback Online writer, David Robinson, confirms the OPPO BDP-105 will be able to play DSD over USB 2.0 in a future firmware update.


Source:http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue64/brutus2012.htm
Edited by sac8d4 - 1/2/13 at 11:10am
post #2216 of 10115
Watched a lot of football this long weekend, much of it on the ESPNs. Is the audio/video sync getting worse or is it just me? Sometimes it seemed as long as two to three seconds.

My setup is a TiVo Elite to the 105 to a Pio' 141FD monitor.
post #2217 of 10115
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Congrats Boyce ...enjoy your new toy. When you get a chance, can you perform the test you promised to do in the Anthem 50v/D2v forum for me please:p ?

Will do, Dave. It may be a few days before I can do it though... heading to CES next week, and busy preparing for the trip. I'll do it as soon as I can though.
post #2218 of 10115
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

You know this how? ... I have seen it ... The palantir is a dangerous tool, you do not know who is watching smile.gif
That is interesting. How many HDMI inputs do your foresee?
- Rich

You saw The Hobbit? In Dolby® Atmos™? I did, this Sunday, in Vlaardingen near Rotterdam... It was worth the 100 mile drive to hear the new surround format. Ground-breaking stuff.

Here's some "palantir" pics of the UMC-500 prototype so you can see for yourself.
http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=preamps&action=display&thread=27182
post #2219 of 10115
Oddmania,
You should read jim's reply to my question posted yesterday.

My original quote:
"I am a little confused on setup. Oppo 105 paired with marantz sr5006 avr with audussey.
My setup will be oppo 105, marantz sr5006 avr (powers surrounds and center), adcom 555 (powers fronts), velodyne sub spl 1200, snell 4c front speakers, jbl center speaker, nht in ceiling surrounds....."

My original question which i thought was the solution to the best of both worlds is to
1) use oppo 105 hdmi output with avr audussey for movies/dvd and
2) try to use oppo 105 analog output through the avr using rca analog bypass for cd, sacd through the receiver.

You will also need to find out like me whether your denon avr can do analog pass thru. I have floated that question to marantz and sr5006 forum to see if the pure direct mode or any other modes will do a analog feed thru without the avr dac reprocessing my oppo 105 signal.

My situation is similar in that I am not sure if my system will show the added details of analog and whether it will be worth the extra $700 which can be spent elsewhere in the system. Any advice? My center channel for sure is next, having to buy a new player since old ones dont support 3d and my new led tv is 3d.. damn upgradeitis.. already have aq columbia and coffee hdmi and hoping to add a oppo 105/103? I will likely just buy and try.. Trying not to spend thousands to upgrade my sq/pq which i am pretty happy with for the most part, but i figure if i dont have good source then how can i even tell my system is good?

Steve, is this how you setup your denon/marantz setup?? It sounds like in pure direct(audussey shuts down) the marantz sr5006 shut things down to 2 channel fr/fl so how is the subwoofer sound being resolved? Do you even use it in pure direct mode and then it wont shutdown to two channels, then i can get full 7.1 analog?
post #2220 of 10115
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Originally Posted by abacustrader View Post

I am a little confused on setup. Oppo 105 paired with marantz sr5006 avr with audussey.
My setup will be oppo 105, marantz sr5006 avr (powers surrounds and center), adcom 555 (powers fronts), velodyne sub spl 1200, snell 4c front speakers, jbl center speaker, nht in ceiling surrounds.
I wish to have best of both worlds. Use oppo digital hdmi out for movies taking advantage of sound processing ability of the sr5006 avr with audussey. For cds, dvda, sacd, i wish to use oppo analog output to get use of the oppo's better dac. I am trying to get the best video playback and also best audio playback (assuming analog is better for music, and hdmi with audussey better for dvds)
To accomplish this, should I use the oppo rca analog outs to the avr 7.1 inputs (sr5006 does not have xlr)? By doing this will i get an unfiltered oppo dac processed analog signal pass-thru via sr5006 av receiver so that the avr will not reprocess the signal using the sr5006 avr dac? Is this what sr5006 calls pure direct mode?
If i cant get analog pass thru with the receiver using the oppo dac then i should just change from oppo 105 to an oppo 103 using hdmi for both dvd/cd setup. Is this how i should wire it or am I just wasting my time. Will the oppo 105 analog SQ be noticeably better than the marantz sr5006 or is my system to midfi to notice? Oppo 103 $$ vs Oppo 105 $$. Sorry the marantz manuals are not clear. A little new to this. Trying to upgrade to a more decent system over time. I am not a stereophile but i can discern the difference in vocal clarity, stage, depth, and appreciate good sq. Thank you..

I have owned Denon and Marantz bits for quite a while. The 7.1 analog inputs don't allow for any processing - even when not in Direct / Pure Direct - the implication is they bypass any internal ADC/DAC and processing - but it's not spelled out. I hear a preferred difference using the analog inputs even compared to HDMI in DIRECT (all the internal processing off).

Direct/Pure Direct are modes that affect the other inputs (Pure Direct can also be used with the 7.1 inputs - it turns off the display and analog video, but otherwise is like Direct).
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