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post #2521 of 10094
^ The factory default for the player's Analog output volume is full scale, max volume, which is the correct thing to send a pre-amp. Volume 100.

It's not the firmware update that changes your volume to 100, it's the recommended Reset of defaults that you should be doing as part of each update.

Anyway, if you are connecting directly to a power amp, you need to be careful because Volume 100 is probably louder than you want to use. So just remember to change it to your desired volume before playing anything after ANY Reset of settings -- not just a Reset done as part of a firmware update.
--Bob
post #2522 of 10094
I've been seriously considering Marantz sa11s3 player for CD/SACDs but never was listening to it.
I suppose that must sound very fine. I thought to buy this player or SA15s2 limited edition. Never heard either how the machine "sings".
I have a lot of CD/SACDs, DVDs and Blu-rays with music. Marantz stopped production of machines as ud8004, ud9004 and I thought to buy at least a solid machine for CD\SACD first.

When Oppo 105 came to the market I've become confused what to buy.
I've heard that Marantz sa11s3 uses 8years old dac and that SABRE DAC in Oppo bdp 105 is advanced and modern. In the same time Mraantz sa11s3 has some details in implementation that say about very high level of engineering and lead you to believe that sound must be just fantastic.

By now I have couple of questions:
1. Does Marantz sa11s3(XLR\RCA) sound MUCH better than SA15s2 Limited edition (RCA);
2. How far each of these Marantz's players are from Oppo 105 (XLR) and Oppo 105 (RCA) 2ch performance, let's say, with a reference amp and speakers? I mean which Marantz player of these two better than Oppo 105 significantly or Oppo 105 better than they both are?

Could anyone help with my choise? Thanks!
Edited by vadym-s - 1/7/13 at 3:08am
post #2523 of 10094
Downloaded the new FW and for the first time, I'm getting audio sync issues.
The reset feature in DEVICE SETUP only resets to factory setting and clears subscription accounts.How does downgrade FW? I'm thinking there must be codes on the remote for this.
I picked my OPPO up at their facility and they gave me FW on disc including the DSD fix. Tried to renstall and the unit would not accept it.

Mike
post #2524 of 10094
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Originally Posted by beatmachine View Post

Downloaded the new FW and for the first time, I'm getting audio sync issues.
The reset feature in DEVICE SETUP only resets to factory setting and clears subscription accounts.How does downgrade FW? I'm thinking there must be codes on the remote for this.
I picked my OPPO up at their facility and they gave me FW on disc including the DSD fix. Tried to renstall and the unit would not accept it.

Mike

Reset does not revert the firmware. Settings and firmware version are different things.

As a general rule you cannot install older firmware, although there have been exceptions. Contact OPPO and see what they say.

-Bill
post #2525 of 10094
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Originally Posted by alabamawoody View Post

Hi, I have a BDP-83SE that I got a couple of years ago and love. If I purchased the 105, i know I will have more bells and whistles as far as computer audio goes and headphone amps and such but will the DAC's be a big improvement over what I have now? I use the analog outs for 5 channel surround sound and 2 channel audio. I am using a Rotel 200watt times 5 amp with a Dennon receiver as a pre amp, I like the idea of replacing the 83SE and the receiver with just the 105. What is the deal with needing to reset the audio from 100 after updates? What setting are y'all using and why?
Thanks ahead of time for any info, got credit card in hand and thought I would put it away until I read a few responses.
Thank you,
Woody

Before I got my 105, I read the 1st 40 pages of this topic - because there were only 40. Great information that's worth the read - and easy enough to skip the boring bits. To make if quicker, you could filter on "Bob Pariseau" to get the highlights - although you might miss some other good info. This also is a good read: http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq#id18 - even thought it says 103, lots of 105 info there.
post #2526 of 10094
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Originally Posted by beatmachine View Post

Downloaded the new FW and for the first time, I'm getting audio sync issues.
The reset feature in DEVICE SETUP only resets to factory setting and clears subscription accounts.How does downgrade FW? I'm thinking there must be codes on the remote for this.
I picked my OPPO up at their facility and they gave me FW on disc including the DSD fix. Tried to renstall and the unit would not accept it.
Mike

Do you know what versions you had before and after (presumably 1220 after)?
post #2527 of 10094
Couple questions about using the 105 as a preamp to drive an amp directly...Some people report "not enough gain". What does this mean if you have say 4 ohm speakers of 88 sensitivity?? Also, what if your amp can be driven to full power with 1.2 or 1.4 volts. Will the oppo input on RCA or XLR be too hot? Since the oppo outputs 2.1v on rca and 4.2 on xlr?

Thanks
post #2528 of 10094
Is there any info yet as to which region-free hardware mod(s) actually work with the 105? I plan to buy one soon but must have region-free DVD AND Blu-Ray. I can wait though if the bugs are still being worked out in the mods.
post #2529 of 10094
I am in the market for region free DVD player and external DAC. These two functions don't need to come in one.
I am considering either (1) BDP-105 or (2) BDP-103 + PS Audio DL3.
Has anybody compared the DAC section of 105 with DL3?
Are there other ~$500 DACs that outperform the DAC section of BDP-105?
post #2530 of 10094
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Originally Posted by Jeff Baker View Post

Do you know what versions you had before and after (presumably 1220 after)?


I believe it was a 4xxx version. Looks like i can't downgrade. i will call OPPO
thanks , Jeff (and Bob P)
post #2531 of 10094
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Is there any info yet as to which region-free hardware mod(s) actually work with the 105? I plan to buy one soon but must have region-free DVD AND Blu-Ray. I can wait though if the bugs are still being worked out in the mods.

To follow up on this, while JazzGuyy needs both DVD and Blu-ray region-free abilities, I just want/need DVD at this point. Has anyone tried the software DVD-only mod mentioned in the BDP-103 FAQ at http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq.html#region-free-modifications ? If it doesn't work might it brick the BDP-105 or would it just sit there and not work? Must the software be re-installed after each firmware upgrade (the FAQ says it "might" have to be re-installed)? I have a separate DVD player I can put back in the system, but I'm wondering if I can avoid that.

The FAQ links to http://www.multi-region.net/oppo_bdp-83 for information about the software mod and there are three entries at the bottom of the page from people who successfully installed in on the BDP-103 and BDP-105, but I wanted to ask here.

Thank you.
post #2532 of 10094
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Originally Posted by NW. View Post

The FAQ links to http://www.multi-region.net/oppo_bdp-83 for information about the software mod and there are three entries at the bottom of the page from people who successfully installed in on the BDP-103 and BDP-105, but I wanted to ask here.
Thank you.

Yes, it works fine.
post #2533 of 10094
Can it be removed once it has been installed?
post #2534 of 10094
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Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

Can it be removed once it has been installed?

I'm guessing that some updates of the MCU or Loader firmware may delete it, but i've done dozens of firmware installs and it always survives. It has never caused a problem.

-Bill
post #2535 of 10094
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Originally Posted by NW. View Post

To follow up on this, while JazzGuyy needs both DVD and Blu-ray region-free abilities, I just want/need DVD at this point. Has anyone tried the software DVD-only mod mentioned in the BDP-103 FAQ at http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq.html#region-free-modifications ? If it doesn't work might it brick the BDP-105 or would it just sit there and not work? Must the software be re-installed after each firmware upgrade (the FAQ says it "might" have to be re-installed)? I have a separate DVD player I can put back in the system, but I'm wondering if I can avoid that.
The FAQ links to http://www.multi-region.net/oppo_bdp-83 for information about the software mod and there are three entries at the bottom of the page from people who successfully installed in on the BDP-103 and BDP-105, but I wanted to ask here.
Thank you.

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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Yes, it works fine.

+1. Amazing how easy and fast that works!

And when upgrades overwrite it I'll invest the 5 seconds again smile.gif
post #2536 of 10094
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Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

Can it be removed once it has been installed?

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Originally Posted by Tokyo Dodo View Post

+1. Amazing how easy and fast that works!
And when upgrades overwrite it I'll invest the 5 seconds again smile.gif

I don't think we have ever seen that DVD region patch go away. I suspect it's either a low level patch to the decoder chip or an EEPROM patch to the loader. Anyhow there's no way to remove it and firmware flashes to loader or decoder don't remove it. For all intents and purposes its a permanent patch.
post #2537 of 10094
I read a rumor (not here that I can find, heck I may have even dreamed it since I can't find it anywhere again) that Oppo was working on being able to play dsf and dff files directly on the 103/105's and was wondering if anyone here may know if there is any truth to it.

If such a rumor were true, would Oppo supply the USB 2.0 driver necessary for Windows to be able to play at 192/24 or just leave it at the USB 1.1 standard for a max of 96/24? Heck would they even try it via ethernet, I haven't been able to find anyone that does except someone perhaps like Linn..

I've been looking at some DAC's ie., Mytek, Reference DC2, Resonessence Labs Invicta as well as others again, if true, this sure would save me a pile of cash and could open up some additional sales to Oppo.

Gary
post #2538 of 10094
Thks all for the very informative thread. As I am considering this unit and using it as a preamp directly to my poweramp, will it provide an acceptable signal considering my poweramp as a 27db gain ? I plan on using it with a profesionnal pana plasma (TH58P10UKA) with a max res of 1080i or 720p60 or even 50 anyone tested a similare setup with the 105? and how well does it convert BR 1080p24 into 720p .. will I still have the annoying paning issue
post #2539 of 10094
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

Before I got my 105, I read the 1st 40 pages of this topic - because there were only 40. Great information that's worth the read - and easy enough to skip the boring bits. To make if quicker, you could filter on "Bob Pariseau" to get the highlights - although you might miss some other good info. This also is a good read: http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq#id18 - even thought it says 103, lots of 105 info there.

I have read on this post for quite awhile!!!!!!
My main question is the Dac's, are the ones in the 105 a lot better than whats in my 83SE?

Thanks.
post #2540 of 10094
Several great features on this player. Perhaps the most important is the "restore defaults" ; not sure what I did playing with hook ups around, but thought I broke it. Then, ALL BETTER.
But I am still having problems with the split HDMI out. Picture is fine, but when I switch to this function (Direct TV i n back HDMI in) on the AVR , there is a <50 to% of having sound and. The audio out is going out on the coax and RCA's just fine. Sometimes switching the function on the AVR brings it around, other times I have to disconnect/reconnect the HDMI out in2. I have tried that at the Oppo and the AVR, both work, so and I am not sure where the problem is. Thoughts? And I am not sure if it is happening on Bluray out, as it was a football weekend, interspersed with 2 channel music; great stuff, that.
post #2541 of 10094
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Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

Can it be removed once it has been installed?

In the 93/95 threads, there was talk of a particular brand of region-free hardware mod which would only install properly if the SuperDisc stuff was NOT already installed, and folks discovered that firmware re-installs were not undoing the effects of the SuperDisc.

Reports at the time (unconfirmed) described the following workaround: Re-install the firmware using the Front USB port while NOTHING is attached to the Rear USB or eSATA -- not even the Wifi dongle. That supposedly let the firmware re-install undo the effect of the SuperDisc. Again this was unconfirmed, but seemed to work for the folks who needed it in that specific case.

I've no idea whether that might also apply to the 103/105. But as stated above, with this one oddball exception of that particular brand of region-free hardware mod, so far nobody has found a downside to the SuperDisc adjustment. And there are tons of folks who have applied it. Indeed in some parts of the world, Blu-ray players, by law, have to be sold as region-free for SD-DVD and this is just how it is done for the OPPO players by the local distributors.
--Bob
post #2542 of 10094
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Originally Posted by oldav View Post

I read a rumor (not here that I can find, heck I may have even dreamed it since I can't find it anywhere again) that Oppo was working on being able to play dsf and dff files directly on the 103/105's and was wondering if anyone here may know if there is any truth to it.

If such a rumor were true, would Oppo supply the USB 2.0 driver necessary for Windows to be able to play at 192/24 or just leave it at the USB 1.1 standard for a max of 96/24? Heck would they even try it via ethernet, I haven't been able to find anyone that does except someone perhaps like Linn..

I've been looking at some DAC's ie., Mytek, Reference DC2, Resonessence Labs Invicta as well as others again, if true, this sure would save me a pile of cash and could open up some additional sales to Oppo.

Gary

The folks in Beta Test Club have seen the rumor you refer to, but we can't comment on what might be coming for future features.

OPPO is certainly aware of the interest in doing this.

However I'm pretty sure the rumor refers only to the Asynchronous USB DAC input -- which is only present on the 105. There is already driver support in Windows 7 and on the Mac for 192KHz 24-bit LPCM Stereo via that input. The change would be to allow DSD input as well.

The regular USB 2.0 inputs used for attaching hard drives would not be changed in that case.
--Bob
post #2543 of 10094
I am on about page 35! can someone tell me if the issue of connecting DirecTV to the Oppo and having lip sync issues has been resolved? Thanks in advance, don't ignore the new guy!
post #2544 of 10094
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Originally Posted by james57 View Post

Thks all for the very informative thread. As I am considering this unit and using it as a preamp directly to my poweramp, will it provide an acceptable signal considering my poweramp as a 27db gain ? I plan on using it with a profesionnal pana plasma (TH58P10UKA) with a max res of 1080i or 720p60 or even 50 anyone tested a similare setup with the 105? and how well does it convert BR 1080p24 into 720p .. will I still have the annoying paning issue

The 105 does a fine job converting 1080p to 720p output. HDMI does not support /24 frame rate as a valid signal for 720p resolution so the output is 720p/60.

What annoying panning issue where you referring to?

As for working with your amp, I'd say the odds are good, but you might want to email OPPO tech support for their opinion.

For both questions, keep in mind that if you buy direct from the OPPO Digital web site, there is an easy, 30-day return policy so you can actually try the player at home with your own equipment and see for yourself. All you risk is the shipping costs.
--Bob
post #2545 of 10094
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Originally Posted by alabamawoody View Post

I am on about page 35! can someone tell me if the issue of connecting DirecTV to the Oppo and having lip sync issues has been resolved? Thanks in advance, don't ignore the new guy!

Welcome to AVS, and to this thread, "new guy"!

OPPO has significantly improved the lip sync issue you are asking about -- to the point where many folks are no longer seeing any problem. On the test bench, there are still some cases where a problem can creep in and OPPO continues to work to eliminate those as well. So I'd say the lip sync issue is "improved" but not yet "resolved".
--Bob
post #2546 of 10094
I don't like the way the input defaults back to disc each time I power the BDP-105 on/off. Most of the time I use my BDP-105 as a DAC attached to my PC. Each time I turn it off/on I need to click input on the remote many times to select digital coax. Is it possible to have it return to the previous input after a power off/on?

BTW, I'm using digital coax because I'm waiting for Windows 8 support for the USB interface.
post #2547 of 10094
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Film is recorded at 24 frames per second. TV is recorded at 30 frames per second (displayed as 60fps in modern displays). The process of raising the frame rate of film to TV frame rates is known as "telecine". Ignoring some details, it is a pretty straightforward process which you've been seeing all your life -- any time you watched a move on broadcast TV. But because 24 does not go evenly into 30 there's a problem. Some portions of the film imagery will have to be held on screen slightly longer than other portions to make it work.
The result is what is known as "cadence judder" -- a very slight "ratcheting" of motion which the brain is quite good at ignoring, which is why they can get away with it.
But suppose instead of using a TV that put up 60 images a second you could make a TV that put up 48 or 72 or 96 frames a second -- some multiple of 24? Well in that case you could display you movie WITHOUT cadence judder!
Many modern TVs are able to accept 1080p/24 input (1920x1080 video frames 24 times a second) and automatically switch to a "refresh rate" which is a multiple of 24. Some of those TVs even manage to do that without screwing up!
Movies on Blu-ray are recorded on disc at 1080p/24. The player has the ability to output those at 1080p/24 or at 1080p/60 (i.e, the player applies the telecine). During the HDMI handshake, the TV (or AVR -- whichever is next in the HDMI cabling chain) tells the player whether it is willing TO ACCEPT 1080p/24 input.
1080p/24 OFF means the player takes 1080p/24 content and produces 1080p/60 output.
1080p/24 AUTO means the player takes 1080p/24 content and produces 1080p/24 output if the next device says it can accept that, otherwise 1080p/60
1080p/24 ON means the player takes 1080p/24 content and produces 1080p/24 output EVEN IF the next devices says it CAN'T accept that! This is for certain displays which are known to be able to accept 1080p/24 but which fail to publish that fact properly during the HDMI handshake.
Note that not all Blu-ray discs have 1080p/24 content. MOVIE discs have that. But Blu-ray programs produced using TV cameras are recorded on disc as 1080i/60. Such discs are never output by the player as 1080p/24, even if you have 1080p/24 ON selected. (If using 1080p output resolution, they are output as 1080p/60.)
Which brings us to standard DVDs. SD-DVDs of movies are recorded at 480i/60. That means that telecine HAS ALREADY BEEN APPLIED as part of making the "transfer" of the movie to the disc.
DVD 24p Conversion will attempt to extract the original 24 frames per second of the movie and output that as 1080p/24.
Obviously if you know your TV can't take 1080p/24, or doesn't "do the right thing" with it, there's no point in attempting DVD 24p Conversion.
But in addition you need to know that many SD-DVDs will not convert cleanly. First off, if the SD-DVD is of a program (perhaps a TV show episode) that was originally recorded at /60, then there IS no /24 stream to recover. Indeed you can't force /60 down to /24 in any useful fashion because there's no safe way to choose which portions of the moving video to discard.
And there are also true movie discs where DVD 24p Conversion won't produce good results because of the way the disc was recorded. Either the method of producing the master for the disc, or the editing of the master have left the original /24 stream in such confusion that the player will not be able to extract it cleanly.
In either case you will get "frame drop stutter" which is an easily noticed jerkiness of motion -- most obvious in pans because so much of the image is moving on screen.
If you know your AVR or TV can accept 1080p/24, then you may very well want to leave 1080p/24 AUTO set. However DVD 24p Conversion should be used judiciously. Use it with newer discs of newer movies to maximize the chance of a well recorded transfer. But at the first sign of frame drop stutter, go turn DVD 24p Conversion OFF (you can get into Setup and do that even while the movie is playing) and leave it off for the balance of the film.
Color Space and Deep Color refer to two different characteristics of the video data format presented on the HDMI cable.
RGB Color Space presents a Red, Green, and Blue value for each pixel. YCbCr Color space presents a gray scale brightness or luminance (the Y value) and two "Color Differences" (the CbCr values) which tell how to color that otherwise black and white pixel. Cb and Cr tell how much to add or subtract the Blue or Red coloration respectively. If you remove all the Blue and all the Red from a black and white pixel what results is a Green pixel. So these 3 components give you all the information for a pixel just like the 3 RGB components.
Why you would want to use one of the other is complicated. As a starting point, YCbCr 4:4:4 is the "default" format for HDMI connections, and the content on disc is also recorded in YCbCr (with added complications that I'll blithely pass over).
Meanwhile Deep Color refers to how many bits are used to represent each of the 3 components. Deep Color OFF means 8 bits per component (24 bits per pixel). The other choices are 10 bits per component (30 bits per pixel), and 12 bits per component (36 bits per pixel).
The data on disc is always 8 bits per component -- even for Blu-ray. That means 30 and 36 bit output don't really have true content data in those extra bits. They contain either padding zeroes or the result of rounding in the intermediate video processing.
The real problem for someone getting into this is that there is no pat answer to the question, "Well heck! Which combo is best?"
That's because AVRs and Displays have quirks (read "bugs") in there video processing implementations and because Displays really aren't physically capable of rendering 12 bits per component such that all the combos are distinguishable.
So the reality is that you either have to trust the recommendation of someone who's already tried this stuff with YOUR AVR and Display or you have to try it yourself and see if you can find a reason to prefer one combo over another.
If you check for a post by me in the Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread discussing "Ratatouille", Blu-ray, you'll find one suggested way of checking for whether there's a reason to prefer any of these combos over another.
--Bob

Bob,

Thank you very much for the education on the video!!

Any feedback on using the HDMI 2 output to my external DAC. I'm still a bit confused over LPCM or Bitstream?

Thanks Again!
post #2548 of 10094
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Originally Posted by falconsprint View Post

Is it possible to have it return to the previous input after a power off/on?

No.

If you are using a programmable remote you can control the INPUT selection as part of power-on.

-Bill
post #2549 of 10094
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Originally Posted by delkat View Post

Bob,

Thank you very much for the education on the video!!

Any feedback on using the HDMI 2 output to my external DAC. I'm still a bit confused over LPCM or Bitstream?

Thanks Again!

Nope. I'm not familiar with that DAC, nor even whether it will accept what you intend to feed it over that HDMI 2 output.
--Bob
post #2550 of 10094
Hi Bob and thanks for the reply. The panning issue I was refering to is the judder that occurs during fast action sceenes were you see the background judder. Fyi i did contact the canadian distributer to ensure the amp could take the signal but wanted a second opinion and see if someone tried it with a 27db gain
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