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post #2671 of 10071
Hooray!!!!!

I just got the network option working with Media Monkey using windows 8. I had one last option to set in the Media Sharing menu in Media Monkey and it worked! I am listening to some 96/24 FLAC files from HDTracks and they sound great.

Thanks to all who posted advice.

I can see why Oppo does not want to support this option. Too many settings in the Windows 8 control menu to get set-up correctly. Not to mention the settings within Media Monkey or whatever server software is being used.
post #2672 of 10071
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Originally Posted by wayneniz View Post

I have received this mod from Bluraychip.dk and the installation instructions on their site are only for the 103. The 105 is completely different inside... Has anybody installed this into their 105 yet

They are basically the same inside except for the audio PCB on the top. Remove that (carefully) and install per the 103 instructions.
post #2673 of 10071
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I have been keeping up with this forum since it's inception as I am thinking about getting my first Oppo BD Player. I have come to the realization I need get up to speed with the players capabilities first and I have a lot of learning to do. I gave my wife a cd to take to work so she could download it to her computer and one of her co-worker's remarked, Mike still buys cd's? I guess I am starting to feel obsolete , and a lot of the posts I have read confirms it.

Don't pay attention to that. Shiny disks are still a fine way to buy and listen to music. SACDs are also very nice, as are Blu-ray audio disks when you can find them. And so is DVD-Audio.
post #2674 of 10071
A component question that has come up in other threads but I'd like to ask to people familiar with the 105...

I was recently amazed at how much better my system sounded by skipping my AVR and going direct to my power amp. It's come up before, I've mentioned it before. I just sold my AVR so I'll be using the 105 for HT for the first time starting tomorrow. My plan is to get an emotiva processor. I also sold my emo xpa-200 and got a xpa-5 (5 channel power amp) because of how much I liked the sound of the oppo to power amp direct.

My plan was to get the new emo UMC-200 processor with analog 7.1 in, optical, coax, hdmi in etc. and use it mostly for simplicity and home theater and room correction. Since the XPA amps have 2 inputs I was going to have XLR from oppo to amp direct and rca from oppo to processor to amp for non s-channel. The oppo is the only component/input that I have - oh and the TV is an input via arc (or optical). Speakers are Ascend sierra towers and horizon.

People in other threads have stated that with that equipment I should just finish out my well selected system and get the yet-to-be-released XMC-1 processor with 'reference grade' XLR inputs and 7.1 XLR outputs (fully balanced) and TACTP room correction. It also has upgraded DACs, video processing etc etc - it sound pretty awesome actually. though I imagine I'd still do all processing and conversion in the 105 - my only component.

Since I do have the option of simply going power amp direct when I need to, does it make any sense to get a processor that's 3 times more expensive but with an analog stage appropriate to the oppo? Note the UMC-200 processor has been receiving surprisingly glowing reviews for SQ.
post #2675 of 10071
Well, the frustration continues!!! mad.gif I am still getting dropouts even with the HDMI audio off in the 105. Tried disconnecting HDMI cables to projector....same thing. I'm going to give up until I run some cat5e cable to all the components in my HT rack that are all wireless at the moment. This will be a project in itself. Denon 5308CI / OPPO105 / HTPC will be wired through a Gigabit switch back to the router/switch. Thanks for all the help so far and I'll see if I can get the cable run this weekend.
post #2676 of 10071
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Originally Posted by bob u View Post

Wayneniz
The difference in the 103 and 105 installation is that you need to remove the 2 analogue audio boards then install following the instructions.
I have not been able to get my pro kit to work though. Let me know if yours works.

ouch, I'm not sure that I want to start taking boards out... is this not a risky job.
post #2677 of 10071
I took mine out to install the Pro kit and if you are careful and patient it won't be a problem.

It's odd that no instructions came with it and none exist for it also on their website so I did as another has suggested and followed instructions for the previous pro kit.

It seems however to be non functioning or at least doesn't function how the website suggests it should by powering up the player using the 1,2 or 3 button.

Iv'e emailed blueraychip.dk asking for assistance but have received no reply.

http://www.bluraychip.dk/product.php?id_product=25
post #2678 of 10071
I'm attempting to use the 105 in a home theater sans processor. So far so good with exception to the HDMI inputs from my cable TV tuner. After selecting the appropriate HDMI input, the audio and video start normally but are quickly interrupted by a full screen, green screen. Contacted Oppo customer service and they recommended that even though my 105 is brand new, to upgrade the firmware. Completed this task but did not solve the problem. Contacted my dealer and they were confident it is a bad HDMI cable. Tried three different cables to no avail. Using both HDMI inputs results in the same problem. My guess is that the HDMI output from my cable box is the culprit; just not compatible. Any similar experiences? Will try Oppo customer service again tomorrow. Thank you in advance for any guidance offered!
post #2679 of 10071
Thread Starter 
For cable and satellite boxes you have a very good chance of these errors occurring. Not every person will (I personally do not, but I also upgraded to a newer box and forced Comcast to upgrade the firmware directly so I did not have to wait for their eventual rollouts). These issues will be resolved through a future firmware release.

You may also want to try HDMI BACK instead of HDMI FRONT, as the HDMI FRONT will have different tolerances since it goes through a specialized cable into the mainboard, while the HDMI REAR is soldered and traced direct on the board. Beyond this, wait for a firmware from OPPO or your cable/satellite provider to resolve these errors.
post #2680 of 10071
I am looking for the best setup for CD (two channel) and surround listening: I have a 4.0 system for surround, so I set Down Mix to 5.1 and disabled the not available speakers in the speaker setup. As suggested by the manual, I set the dedicated stereo outputs to Front L/R. This way I have the sub mixed into the fronts, while using the best output for them.
Playing CD is straight forward, as I don't have to change anything. The question is now if the quality can be improved by switching the dedicated stereo outputs from Front L/R to Down Mix. With Down Mix the sub channel is not mixed in (of course that isn't available with CD's), so the L/R channels volume must not be reduced to make more headroom for the sub, so the signal to noise ratio is better. And the speaker configuration for multi channel output is bypassed (e.g. no delay necessary for the speakers to compensate for different distances). Am I right or is the audible difference negligible? Or is the Oppo smart enough to realize that it plays a two channel source and bypasses all the chips for the speaker setup automatically?
Thanks for your help!
post #2681 of 10071
Mungam,
That won't work because with Stereo Signal set to DOWN MIX STEREO the front channels will also have the Surround and Center channels mixed in which means you have Surround content playing in all 4 speakers. In addition, their down mix attenuation won't match what the Surround speakers are getting.

However there is an easy way to accomplish what you are trying to do.

I'm assuming your existing 4 speakers are two fronts and two surrounds.

You can use the Dedicated Stereo outputs as planned. Set Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT.

Wire the Surrounds to the SIDE Surround output jacks of the multi-channel set. NOTE: Do this REGARDLESS of how far back of your seating they are placed. In a 5.1 or less speaker layout, the Surrounds are always Side Surrounds regardless of their physical positioning. (Ideally they should be to the side and just behind your seating -- a 110 degree position angle.)

In Speaker Configuration, set LF/RF/LS/RS to LARGE. Set Center/LR/RR to OFF. Set Sub to ON -- even though nothing is wired to that output. Then set Down Mix to 5.1.

For Stereo content playback, only LF/RF will get audio, and it will be full frequency range.

For 5.1 playback. LF/RF will get their content plus Center and it will be full range. LS/RS will get their content, also full range. And LFE channel bass will be discarded out the unconnected Sub output.

For 7.1 playback, in addition to the above LR/RR content will be mixed into the Side surround speaker on the same side.

It is the act of discarding the LFE bass in this fashion which eliminates the need to apply substantial down mix attenuation to LF/RF. ONLY the LFE bass is being discarded. The normal bass full frequency range in each main speaker channel is preserved. (The Crossover frequency setting does not matter since all 4 existing speakers are set to Large.)
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 1/11/13 at 4:51am
post #2682 of 10071
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Originally Posted by wayneniz View Post

ouch, I'm not sure that I want to start taking boards out... is this not a risky job.

It isn't very hard to do but it depends on your comfort level. Is there someone you know that you would feel comfortable installing the kit for you?
post #2683 of 10071
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Originally Posted by jumbos View Post

I took mine out to install the Pro kit and if you are careful and patient it won't be a problem.

It's odd that no instructions came with it and none exist for it also on their website so I did as another has suggested and followed instructions for the previous pro kit.

It seems however to be non functioning or at least doesn't function how the website suggests it should by powering up the player using the 1,2 or 3 button.

Iv'e emailed blueraychip.dk asking for assistance but have received no reply.

http://www.bluraychip.dk/product.php?id_product=25

which boards did you take out, if the layout is the same as the 103 it would be the one on the right when looking at the front of the player.
post #2684 of 10071
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

Don't pay attention to that. Shiny disks are still a fine way to buy and listen to music. SACDs are also very nice, as are Blu-ray audio disks when you can find them. And so is DVD-Audio.

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Originally Posted by Tokyo Dodo View Post

Hi Mike,
Get the box and prove yourself wrong i'd say. I make the rough assumption that most people on this thread still buy cd's, sacd's and other shiny formats as their (initial) music source. Why else get a disc spinner like the 105, although it does a lot more really nicely as well. Fact remains that as long as the main stream downloads are low fi, you getting a cd means u care about the quality of your music. Nothing to feel obsolete about IMHO.

Thanks guys for your remarks. With all the accolades this player is getting along with it's versatility It's just a matter of time before I get it. Back about 3 1/2 years or so ago I rushed into getting a universal bluray player as I have some of all those types of disc's Jim that you mentioned and wound up shelling out quite a few $ for Denon's A1UDCI and if I had been a little more patient I might have gone in a different direction. I did have to have it repaired twice but it has been behaving well since. I will have to say all my 2-channel disc's have never sounded better with the balanced analogs. I mostly go the HDMI route to my Classe SSP800 pre-pro for almost all m/c music and bluray.
post #2685 of 10071
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

Don't pay attention to that. Shiny disks are still a fine way to buy and listen to music. SACDs are also very nice, as are Blu-ray audio disks when you can find them. And so is DVD-Audio.

I agree. My SACD collection continues to grow. I am very pleased to have a physical high quality digital medium.
post #2686 of 10071
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Originally Posted by drmarg58 View Post

I'm attempting to use the 105 in a home theater sans processor. So far so good with exception to the HDMI inputs from my cable TV tuner. After selecting the appropriate HDMI input, the audio and video start normally but are quickly interrupted by a full screen, green screen. Contacted Oppo customer service and they recommended that even though my 105 is brand new, to upgrade the firmware. Completed this task but did not solve the problem. Contacted my dealer and they were confident it is a bad HDMI cable. Tried three different cables to no avail. Using both HDMI inputs results in the same problem. My guess is that the HDMI output from my cable box is the culprit; just not compatible. Any similar experiences? Will try Oppo customer service again tomorrow. Thank you in advance for any guidance offered!


Thank you very much. I will contact my cable company and go from there. Apple TV HDMI outputs are not an issue. Will report results to this forum in case anyone else has this issue.
post #2687 of 10071
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

For cable and satellite boxes you have a very good chance of these errors occurring. Not every person will (I personally do not, but I also upgraded to a newer box and forced Comcast to upgrade the firmware directly so I did not have to wait for their eventual rollouts). These issues will be resolved through a future firmware release.

You may also want to try HDMI BACK instead of HDMI FRONT, as the HDMI FRONT will have different tolerances since it goes through a specialized cable into the mainboard, while the HDMI REAR is soldered and traced direct on the board. Beyond this, wait for a firmware from OPPO or your cable/satellite provider to resolve these errors.

Oppo customer services says it is an HTCP (copyright protection) issue which is instilled by my cable company. The 105 does not have the firmware to handle this issue yet but is in the works. It is only happening to a few customers at this point. Lucky me!
post #2688 of 10071
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Originally Posted by mjuman View Post

hi guys, pls some body let me know that what kind a cable is good to connect the DAC at the back side of the oppo 105....will appreciate that thx n bye.

What do you mean? You connect a USB port from a computer (usually the flat rectangle Type A USB connector) to the USB port on the 103/105 (square, type B). Be aware that there are also Mini Type A and Mini Type B connectors as well as Micro Type A and Micro Type B... 6 completely different connectors. You don't want micro or mini USB connector (unless you have an unusual computer -- every computer I've ever seen has the "regular" Type A USB connector). You also need software running on the computer that is compatible with and can directly address USB audio devices without using the computer's audio subsystem and without using the operating system's audio features. That limits you to programs like JRiver Media Center or Foobar for PCs or Decibel, Pure Music, Amarra or a couple of others for Mac O/S. The more of the computer's hardware and operating system you can bypass, the better sound quality you will get. Using Windows Media Player or iTunes for playback don't sound as good as they should because those do not bypass the O/S and/or computer hardware.
post #2689 of 10071
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Originally Posted by mjuman View Post

hi guys, pls some body let me know that what kind a cable is good to connect the DAC at the back side of the oppo 105....will appreciate that thx n bye.

The Owner's Manual is a great source for connection specifics and interconnect info - among other things. If you mean USB, a good quality USB 2.0 cable no longer than 13feet (I think that is what the manual says, but you can easily verify). If it works, then you have the right cable.
post #2690 of 10071
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

Likely not. If you really care about some of those recordings you might be able to re-master them using some noise reduction software - something like:

http://www.cyberlink.com/products/audiodirector/features_en_US.html?affid=2581_973_681_paidsearch-ca_0_1&r=1

some are free - http://www.nch.com.au/wavepad/index.html

success with that sort of thing can be hit and miss and a lot of work.

Thank you stevepow.
it helps clarify what i was looking for. i almost forgot first rule "garbage in, garbage out".
post #2691 of 10071
thanks i got it...
post #2692 of 10071
Thanks Doug....i got it....i am enjoying oppo 105...thx n bye
post #2693 of 10071
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Mungam,
That won't work because with Stereo Signal set to DOWN MIX STEREO the front channels will also have the Surround and Center channels mixed in which means you have Surround content playing in all 4 speakers. In addition, their down mix attenuation won't match what the Surround speakers are getting.

However there is an easy way to accomplish what you are trying to do.

I'm assuming your existing 4 speakers are two fronts and two surrounds.

You can use the Dedicated Stereo outputs as planned. Set Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT.

Wire the Surrounds to the SIDE Surround output jacks of the multi-channel set. NOTE: Do this REGARDLESS of how far back of your seating they are placed. In a 5.1 or less speaker layout, the Surrounds are always Side Surrounds regardless of their physical positioning. (Ideally they should be to the side and just behind your seating -- a 110 degree position angle.)

In Speaker Configuration, set LF/RF/LS/RS to LARGE. Set Center/LR/RR to OFF. Set Sub to ON -- even though nothing is wired to that output. Then set Down Mix to 5.1.

For Stereo content playback, only LF/RF will get audio, and it will be full frequency range.

For 5.1 playback. LF/RF will get their content plus Center and it will be full range. LS/RS will get their content, also full range. And LFE channel bass will be discarded out the unconnected Sub output.

For 7.1 playback, in addition to the above LR/RR content will be mixed into the Side surround speaker on the same side.

It is the act of discarding the LFE bass in this fashion which eliminates the need to apply substantial down mix attenuation to LF/RF. ONLY the LFE bass is being discarded. The normal bass full frequency range in each main speaker channel is preserved. (The Crossover frequency setting does not matter since all 4 existing speakers are set to Large.)
--Bob

Bob,
thank you very much for your explanation.
My system consists of 2 front and 2 side surround and wired as you suggested. I am happy with surround output (with LFE mixed in), my question for better audio output was just for 2 channel sources. If I understand you right, as long as I have the sub configured as OFF in the audio setup, the fronts volume will be reduced regardless of the setting of the dedicated stereo output (FR/RF - Down Mix) and regardless of the audio source?
I will give it a try with the Sub configured as on and not connected tomorrow.

Again, many thanks for your help. It is great to really know how the Oppo works and why the engineers implemented the things the way they are.
post #2694 of 10071
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Originally Posted by drmarg58 View Post

I'm attempting to use the 105 in a home theater sans processor. So far so good with exception to the HDMI inputs from my cable TV tuner. After selecting the appropriate HDMI input, the audio and video start normally but are quickly interrupted by a full screen, green screen. Contacted Oppo customer service and they recommended that even though my 105 is brand new, to upgrade the firmware. Completed this task but did not solve the problem. Contacted my dealer and they were confident it is a bad HDMI cable. Tried three different cables to no avail. Using both HDMI inputs results in the same problem. My guess is that the HDMI output from my cable box is the culprit; just not compatible. Any similar experiences? Will try Oppo customer service again tomorrow. Thank you in advance for any guidance offered!

If it's a Motorola dvr it has compatibility issues with 3D devices. Had the same issue until i started using the non 3d hdmi inputs on my AVM 50.
post #2695 of 10071
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Originally Posted by Mungam View Post

Bob,
thank you very much for your explanation.
My system consists of 2 front and 2 side surround and wired as you suggested. I am happy with surround output (with LFE mixed in), my question for better audio output was just for 2 channel sources. If I understand you right, as long as I have the sub configured as OFF in the audio setup, the fronts volume will be reduced regardless of the setting of the dedicated stereo output (FR/RF - Down Mix) and regardless of the audio source?
I will give it a try with the Sub configured as on and not connected tomorrow.

Again, many thanks for your help. It is great to really know how the Oppo works and why the engineers implemented the things the way they are.

Not quite. The 105 is clever enough to adjust according to the content you are playing at the moment. When playing stereo content using the configuration I outlined above, there is no LFE, there is no possibility of bass steering from the Surrounds into LF/RF, and there is no down-mixing possible. So there will be no down mix attenuation at all. Turning the Sub ON or OFF would not change that so long as LF/RF are Large and the content being played is 2.0.

When playing 5.1 or 7.1 content, there IS LFE to deal with, there is the potential for bass steering from Small speakers, and there is down-mix happening for Center into LF/RF or Rear Surrounds into Side Surrounds. So down mix attenuation has to happen. With Sub ON the LFE goes out the unconnected Sub jack, and so the LARGEST requirement for down mix attenuation goes away. There is still down mix attenuation (read on), but it is nowhere near as much as would be needed if headroom has to be made in LF/RF to mix in LFE. The 4 speakers will receive down mix attenuation as needed for the down mix itself (Center speaker into LF/RF and Rear Surrounds into Side Surrounds). With Sub OFF the down mix attenuation for all the speakers is increased (they all have to match, since otherwise you'd have to keep adjusting the volume trims all the time) to account for LFE going to LF/RF as well as Small speaker bass steering into LF/RF in addition to the actual, missing speaker down mix already going on.
--Bob
post #2696 of 10071
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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

I'm using the 105 as a pre/pro, connected to an Outlaw 7500 five channel amp, plus two subs managed by a Velodyne SMS-1. I'm looking for simplicity in my set up. I realized I have been using a Marantz AV8003 pre/pro just for switching between broadcast and disc play and volume control. I'm happy with the set up currently and can always put the Marantz back into service if I feel I'm missing something.

Interesting, so you are not using any of the features from the Pre/pro?
post #2697 of 10071
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Originally Posted by drmarg58 View Post

Oppo customer services says it is an HTCP (copyright protection) issue which is instilled by my cable company. The 105 does not have the firmware to handle this issue yet but is in the works. It is only happening to a few customers at this point. Lucky me!

Correct, but it's likely due to a 3D device being next in the chain (DVR ---> Oppo) that the cable box can't HTCP with. Try connecting the DVR to a 2D device. My AVM 50v is new with the 3D passthrough. I initially connected everything to the 3D inputs (HDMI 1-4) on the AVM 50v and experienced the same issue you are having. When I moved the DVR to a non-3D input (HDMI 5-8), situation was resolved.
post #2698 of 10071
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Originally Posted by wayneniz View Post

which boards did you take out, if the layout is the same as the 103 it would be the one on the right when looking at the front of the player.

As you look at the unit the board onto on the left.

It took six screws for the large card together with six I think for the attached phonos on the back and three ribbon cables and a couple of other plugs.

Pretty simple really with care and patience applied.....
post #2699 of 10071
Question for Bob - is there any difference in 2 channel audio quality between the HDMI In or Toslink/Optical inputs? Thank you
post #2700 of 10071
Bob, thanks for the clarifcation!
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