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post #2731 of 10117
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Originally Posted by lesliew View Post

Just received my Oppo 105 today.

A tip for anyone using a QNAP NAS

You can mount a blu-ray ISO file directly on the NAS under Shared Folders -> ISO shared folders, just call the share AVCHD.

Browse to the AVCHD share from the Oppo and voila you have Full BD menu support.

More on this: How do you play Blu-ray ISO files over SMB?.

-Bill
post #2732 of 10117
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Originally Posted by Pokey77 View Post

Torqdog, how long is the Redmere cable you are using?
10' and it replaced a Wirelogic Sapphire cable of similar length.
Edited by Torqdog - 1/12/13 at 7:55pm
post #2733 of 10117
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

Oh come on--invite some buddy over, offer him/her beers to swap cables, and see if you can tell the difference.
That there eliminates any hope of scientific objectivity if ya know what I mean.biggrin.gif

A good host would never allow his guests/buddies to drink alone.
post #2734 of 10117
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

That there eliminates any hope of scientific objectivity if ya know what I mean.biggrin.gif

A good host would never allow his guests/buddies to drink alone.

Actually, a tipsy tester would probably be the truest form of testing, because then they can't even remember which cables are which. Call it... wait for it... Tipple Blind Testing.
post #2735 of 10117
Regarding double blind testing, I would wager to the cable skeptics that they could not identify their personal favorite piece of gear, assuming it is functioning correctly, under this scenario either. Assuming that these posters own the 105, and appreciate its virtues, I am certain they could not reliably identify it in the short listening sessions, and unusual listening required by the methodology of the testing, yet they happily purchased the Oppos. In my system, I can definitely hear differences between different, fully functional, up to USB 2.0 standards USB cables, running from my Mac to either the 105 or the Metrum Hex. Yes, just 1's and 0's, but there is more to it than that. As to the placebo effect, well, of course it CAN occur, but the fact that it CAN does not mean that it always DOES. I have had some very surprising results in cable testing, totally unexpected. That is, I expected the opposite of what I heard. But hey, if you can't hear the difference, it saves you some money, so congratulations. Not everyones hearing is the same, or equipment, or environment, etc. But the cable industry is huge, so maybe it's possible that others can hear differences that some cannot? Would you say that if you cannot see something at a distance that no one else can either??
Just my thoughts, ymmv
post #2736 of 10117
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I realize that this is a bit off topic but just wanted to follow up on a conversation we were having a few days ago regarding Monoprice RedMere HDMI cables. Someone said something to the effect that at the price they charge, it was worth it to at least give it a try and that's what I did............ with a large degree of skepticism(snake oil etc.) Well today my cables arrived and after installing them I put on my favorite disc for checking out video, Avatar, a movie I've seen WAY too many times and am quite familiar with every aspect. I was quite surprised to find that indeed there was a slight improvement with black levels and contrast being most noteworthy. There is now a definite 3D effect that was not noticed before. I'm sitting there watching this muttering to myself "how can this be? It's all just 101010 being passed through the cable and there should NOT be this improvement I'm watching before me." Remember, I was the skeptic checking these cables out only because they are priced so inexpensively.

I'm at a loss to understand why and what it is that is going on but my eyes ain't lyin to me.

In my best Arte Johnson of Laugh In fame......."Berry Intalesting...... I tink!"

Hate to say I told you so but I told you so , These things are so good I ordered 4 more 2 to go in the bed room on a new set for the wife and 2 for the main rig to compare to a $80 cable should that was down graded to handle audio only because of the Ultra slim for video (3d effect is nuts) now if its better on audio well this could shake up the all hdmi cables are the same world!

Now wait till you guys try some of the good stuff for power/xlr/rca now that maybe some will realize the earths not flat !
post #2737 of 10117
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

You already know the answer. If the new cables are producing a better looking picture, then the OLD cables MUST be screwing up.
--Bob

Really you got to come up with a better one than that!
post #2738 of 10117
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

SACD has used various combinations. Many are stereo but some have been 3.0, 5.1, 5.0 and 4.0. It mostly depends on the source. Some of the 5.0 and 4.0 ones have used masters from the old quad audio days. Some 3.0 SACD were sourced from the original 3-channel stereo masters that Mercury and RCA used for classical recordings in the early days of stereo recording.

Good point - I'm listening to an 3.0 SACD of Rhapsody in Blue - Arthur Fielder / Boston Pops - this is live in '59/'61, but done with a Decca-tree mic setup - 3 mics and each goes to one channel, FL, C, FR - just as it was tracked (normally would have been mixed to stereo for vinyl). It is spectacular. Some of the best material I've run through the Oppo yet.

It is one of those recordings (like some of the 1959 Mingus recordings) that makes you realize that very little in terms of progress in high fidelity recording has been made in over 60 years. In playback, yes - very lucky to be able to hear a recording like this with all 3 mics separated. I'm sure these tracks never sounded like this on a 1960s' home stereo.
post #2739 of 10117
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Originally Posted by guitardave View Post

Yes, just 1's and 0's, but there is more to it than that.

Well, then what? Something we haven't discovered yet? If so, it's a wonder any of this stuff works at all.
post #2740 of 10117
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Originally Posted by guitardave View Post

Regarding double blind testing, I would wager to the cable skeptics that they could not identify their personal favorite piece of gear, assuming it is functioning correctly, under this scenario either. Assuming that these posters own the 105, and appreciate its virtues, I am certain they could not reliably identify it in the short listening sessions, and unusual listening required by the methodology of the testing, yet they happily purchased the Oppos. In my system, I can definitely hear differences between different, fully functional, up to USB 2.0 standards USB cables, running from my Mac to either the 105 or the Metrum Hex. Yes, just 1's and 0's, but there is more to it than that. As to the placebo effect, well, of course it CAN occur, but the fact that it CAN does not mean that it always DOES. I have had some very surprising results in cable testing, totally unexpected. That is, I expected the opposite of what I heard. But hey, if you can't hear the difference, it saves you some money, so congratulations. Not everyones hearing is the same, or equipment, or environment, etc. But the cable industry is huge, so maybe it's possible that others can hear differences that some cannot? Would you say that if you cannot see something at a distance that no one else can either??
Just my thoughts, ymmv

Laetrile.
post #2741 of 10117
King of Hearts: What do you see?
Alice: Why, I see nothing!
King: Such eyes! To see nothing! And at such a distance.
--Bob
post #2742 of 10117
I have question about the option: Stereo Signal=Down-Mixed Stereo which I thought should not have impacted HDMI audio transmission.
Speaker configuration of : 4.1 (e.g. no center speaker with LF/RF set to large)
Analog audio option: Stereo Signal=Down-Mixed Stereo
Hdmi audio: LPCM, I have an older Anthem-D2 that cannot do bitstreaming.

When I played the BD Looper with HDMI lpcm audio, all of the center channel was removed as if the HDMI audio only contained: LF, RF, SR, SL and SW, NO Center.

Does the 'Down-Mixed Stereo' option work fine everybody ?
Using the 'Front Left/Right' option or oppo analog mch out seem to work fine.

Thanks.
post #2743 of 10117
Just pulled the trigger on a BDP-105 purchase a few minutes ago. biggrin.gif

After spending the past four solid weeks doing online research before deciding on buying the 105, I can see more options than I had originally considered due to the versatility of this unit - including the potential for audio quality too for home theater and two-channel stereo. Early on I started towards a 103 player just for home theater until I realized a lot more about the 105 in the audio spectrum. Learning about the 105s ESS Saber32 bit DAC changed my entire thought process on how I could utilize the 105 all together. My final hangup before deciding on buying anything was between buying a major CD transport and DAC upgrade investment in my dedicated 2-channel audio system, -OR- change up my home theater system by inserting a new BDP-105 that I could use for both. Also, As for audio, I had early concerns about the digital "volume control" when using the 105 as a preamp (in place of my existing preamp), and later found some interesting info as it relates to the DAC and volume control with 32 bit. Like others here on this owners thread, I'm going to see if I can make the 105 do both audio quality and home theater functions well. I do plan to make use of ALL of the 105s active HDMI and Analog RCA and XLR out connections for different use case scenarios. Finally found a few good listening tests online... some reports stating the BDP-105 is not as good as their ($800+) dedicated high end outboard DAC units, but really close for high end audio listening.

Found this cool article on the digital volume control section of the 105 related to the ESS Saber32 bit DAC: http://www.esstech.com/PDF/digital-vs-analog-volume-control.pdf


We'll see how it goes...wink.gif
Edited by decooney - 1/13/13 at 9:27am
post #2744 of 10117
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

King of Hearts: What do you see?
Alice: Why, I see nothing!
King: Such eyes! To see nothing! And at such a distance.
--Bob
That's more like it!
post #2745 of 10117
Thank you for the region-free DVD advice. Installation was quick and it's working fine.

I'm having a problem with Netflix on the BDP-105. I've used a Roku2 XS for the last several months to access Netflix. Since getting the BDP-105 I've disconnected the Roku and have been using the BDP-105. When the Roku had a problem accessing Netflix (I attributed these problems to issues on the Netflix/Roku end) it sometimes froze and I would have to disconnect the power cord and then reconnect it. I have had the same freezing experience with the BDP-105 except that I "only" have to power down the player and restart it. What happens is that I will select a program to watch (and now that I think about it it has been mostly TV programs I've been trying to watch when i have this problem) and the red thermometer will start to run up (and might get all the way to the end) and then...nothing. No picture and no sound. This has generally happened starting a new program or episode, but happened once when I was trying to resume a program I had partially watched. I have not yet had the problem in the middle of watching Netflix content. When I have this problem - and I don't have it all the time - the front display on the BDP-105 will read "NETFLIX" and the player will not respond to the "HOME" and "RETURN" buttons on the remote. A couple of times I tried the "OPEN" button and the tray did respond by opening and closing. I have been powering down the BDP-105 by using the "POWER" button on the remote, waiting a bit, and then powering it up again using the remote.

I connect my BDP-105 to my Panasonic TV using the OPPO-supplied HDMI cable out of HDMI1 directly to the TV. The BDP-105 is wired to my cable modem/router ("cable gateway"). I generally listen to Netflix through the TV, but occasionally use the analog stereo out to my Marantz SR-4023.

My questions:
1) Have you had this happen with Netflix? Is this the expected behavior if the BDP-105 has a problem connecting to Netflix? It's not elegant behavior.
2) Do you think this is a BDP-105 problem unrelated to Netflix?
3) Or might it be something else?
4) Should I report this to OPPO?
5) Unrelated to this problem, but related to Netflix: Setup screens usually display over Blu-rays, DVDs, and music information screens, but not Netflix. Is this normal?

Thank you for any advice, suggestions, or comments.

Edited to add that my firmware is up to date.
Edited by NW. - 1/13/13 at 3:38am
post #2746 of 10117
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Originally Posted by wayneniz View Post

Thank you for the help. I'll give it a go, hold thumbs.......

So took board off (I feel a bit embarrassed to be honest it really was very simple) plugged in the chip and put the board back in about 10 min. Did the Dimmer, Dimmer blah blah and it worked 1st time 100%. So it seems that you should look at the standard version rather than the Pro as there seems to be a problem with that mod. Thank you again to those who assisted me
post #2747 of 10117
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Originally Posted by NW. View Post

Thank you for the region-free DVD advice. Installation was quick and it's working fine.

I'm having a problem with Netflix on the BDP-105. I've used a Roku2 XS for the last several months to access Netflix. Since getting the BDP-105 I've disconnected the Roku and have been using the BDP-105. When the Roku had a problem accessing Netflix (I attributed these problems to issues on the Netflix/Roku end) it sometimes froze and I would have to disconnect the power cord and then reconnect it. I have had the same freezing experience with the BDP-105 except that I "only" have to power down the player and restart it. What happens is that I will select a program to watch (and now that I think about it it has been mostly TV programs I've been trying to watch when i have this problem) and the red thermometer will start to run up (and might get all the way to the end) and then...nothing. No picture and no sound. This has generally happened starting a new program or episode, but happened once when I was trying to resume a program I had partially watched. I have not yet had the problem in the middle of watching Netflix content. When I have this problem - and I don't have it all the time - the front display on the BDP-105 will read "NETFLIX" and the player will not respond to the "HOME" and "RETURN" buttons on the remote. A couple of times I tried the "OPEN" button and the tray did respond by opening and closing. I have been powering down the BDP-105 by using the "POWER" button on the remote, waiting a bit, and then powering it up again using the remote.

I connect my BDP-105 to my Panasonic TV using the OPPO-supplied HDMI cable out of HDMI1 directly to the TV. The BDP-105 is wired to my cable modem/router ("cable gateway"). I generally listen to Netflix through the TV, but occasionally use the analog stereo out to my Marantz SR-4023.

My questions:
1) Have you had this happen with Netflix? Is this the expected behavior if the BDP-105 has a problem connecting to Netflix? It's not elegant behavior.
2) Do you think this is a BDP-105 problem unrelated to Netflix?
3) Or might it be something else?
4) Should I report this to OPPO?
5) Unrelated to this problem, but related to Netflix: Setup screens usually display over Blu-rays, DVDs, and music information screens, but not Netflix. Is this normal?

Thank you for any advice, suggestions, or comments.

Edited to add that my firmware is up to date.
Netflix content not loading was happening before you had the Oppo in the system, you state that the same problem would occur with the Roku.

What kind of cable/modem gateway do you have?

My suspicion is that either the cable/modem or the cable service itself is the culprit. I had similar issues until I upgraded my cable/modem gateway - from an old Linksys WCG200 to Cisco DPC3008 cable modem and Asus RT-AC66U router. The router is ethernet cable connected to both the Cisco and the Oppo BDP-105. I've not had the Netflix freeze problem since upgrading.

As to the elegance of how the Oppo handles the Netflix problem, I'm not sure.

I'm also interested in expert answers to your #5 question.

Ed
post #2748 of 10117
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Originally Posted by NW. View Post

5) Unrelated to this problem, but related to Netflix: Setup screens usually display over Blu-rays, DVDs, and music information screens, but not Netflix. Is this normal?

All player setup is locked out while in Netflix. this is by design and is a requirement of the Netflix license. Any adjustment you wish to make must be done before entering the streaming app.
post #2749 of 10117
Hey everyone, I just moved up from a bdp-83 hoping to go to that next level of audio & video excellence !! I'm having some setup problems. Equipment is a pioneer sc-65, klipsch Cornwalls up front & ess amt1b's in the rear - I'm old school !! Cable is an AT&T u-verse Cisco box. It has hdmi out, USB & optical out. I first ran AT&T hdmi out to oppo hdmi in, oppo's hdmi outs to my Sony LDL-52xbr9 & pioneer cable/sat in, set oppo to dual hdmi, imput to hdmi in & - -- nothing. Then tried oppo out to DVD in, changed imput & nothing. Tried AT&T USB out to oppo USB/dac in & no luck.on page 21 of manual it says " some configuration may be required on the source device to make sure the audio signal is sent out from the correct output terminal. Huh ?? Total ally lost now. Ended up just like before, AT&T to sat. In on pioneer, hdmi out on pioneer to the Sony, oppo hdmi out 1 to DVD in. Always figure I'm doing something wrong after 53 years of doing something wrong !! Any help ( pretend your talking to a 5 year old !!) would be most appreciated.
post #2750 of 10117
One more quick note, I did do the firmware update after I 1st powered up.
post #2751 of 10117
Hi everyone, I just turned on my BDP-105 for the first time and upgraded the firmware. I upgraded from the BPB-93. I just got into the headphone world (Thanks to my 2 children ages 2 1/2 and 14 mo. the Emotiva and my Klipsch THX Ultra 2 speakers are off most of the time:mad:) I was wondering if Oppo upped the output of the headphone amp in any of the firmware updates. I know they have it set pretty conservative currently. I am going to get a pair of Audeze LCD-2 or LCD-3's. I like it loud and was going to hook up a Schiit amp directly to the xlrs and use the DAC on the Oppo and use the Oppo as the direct source with my cd's and SACD's.
Here is the amp I was looking at.
http://schiit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=0&products_id=10

Also any idea how the DAC is on the 105 vs this one?

http://schiit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=0&products_id=11

How does the Oppo as a headphone amp/dac compare to this Schiit?

Laslty I'm letting my Oppo run a DVD-A in repeat for about 20 hours to burn it in. Is this a waste of time?

Thanks,
Lance
post #2752 of 10117
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Originally Posted by ghostchili View Post

Lastly I'm letting my Oppo run a DVD-A in repeat for about 20 hours to burn it in. Is this a waste of time?

Not if you like the DVD-A.
post #2753 of 10117
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Originally Posted by stevenbarnes1 View Post

One more quick note, I did do the firmware update after I 1st powered up.

You did a lot and frankly I can't follow it all.
Why not start simply?
1. You updated the Fw. Do a reset. That's recommended and sets all values back to the begin values.
2. Connect the Oppo to the amp and to the tv, separately, by HDMI. Try to run a cd, dvd or Blu Ray (in this order probably).
Do you have audio and picture?

3. If yes, connect the Cisco-box. You write it has three outputs: HDMI, USB and optical.
Make a connection; choose from the Oppo the input (I think it's from the Oppo Home menu.). Does it work? If and if not - in both cases -, try the other inputs. Just to make sure.
Edited by Jurgen - 1/13/13 at 11:20am
post #2754 of 10117
What a difference a day makes ! Tried 1st scenario - AT&T hdmi out to oppo hdmi in, oppo outs to Sony & pioneer sat/in, dual display setup in menu, imput to hdmi out (back) & I've got picture & sound !! I think yesterday the firmware update came up after I tried to set it all up, don't know if that made a difference but I'm a happy camper !! Just ordered upgraded monoprice cables including component rca audio cables, I'm sure I'll have more questions to follow !! Hope everyone's having a great new year.
post #2755 of 10117
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Originally Posted by ghostchili View Post

I am going to get a pair of Audeze LCD-2 or LCD-3's. I like it loud and was going to hook up a Schiit amp directly to the xlrs and use the DAC on the Oppo and use the Oppo as the direct source with my cd's and SACD's.
Here is the amp I was looking at.
http://schiit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=0&products_id=10

Also any idea how the DAC is on the 105 vs this one?

http://schiit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=0&products_id=11

How does the Oppo as a headphone amp/dac compare to this Schiit?

I've been thinking about getting a pair of Audeze. Let us know how that works out (if you do it).

Before spending money on schiit, you might want to google for:

nwavguy I was banned
post #2756 of 10117
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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

I have question about the option: Stereo Signal=Down-Mixed Stereo which I thought should not have impacted HDMI audio transmission.
Speaker configuration of : 4.1 (e.g. no center speaker with LF/RF set to large)
Analog audio option: Stereo Signal=Down-Mixed Stereo
Hdmi audio: LPCM, I have an older Anthem-D2 that cannot do bitstreaming.

When I played the BD Looper with HDMI lpcm audio, all of the center channel was removed as if the HDMI audio only contained: LF, RF, SR, SL and SW, NO Center.

Does the 'Down-Mixed Stereo' option work fine everybody ?
Using the 'Front Left/Right' option or oppo analog mch out seem to work fine.

Thanks.

The Stereo Signal setting choice should be having no effect on HDMI Audio output. Are you sure you had the D2 set to listen on the HDMI audio input?

If you can switch between Stereo Signal DOWN MIX STEREO and FRONT LEFT/RIGHT repeatedly and hear the Center channel going away and coming back with each such change on the HDMI LPCM audio then please write up what you're doing and email OPPO Tech Support.

They will likely ask you to start with a re-install of the firmware and Reset of the player, just to get things back to a known state for diagnosis. That is, download the USB install version of the current Official (1220) firmware, install it even if that's what you already have, do a complete Reset of the player after the install, power down and pull the power plug for about 10 seconds, power up and re-enter your personal settings, and power down once more (settings are saved during power down). Then see if the problem is still there.

If you think you might have actually been listening to an Analog audio input on the D2, then there are other possibilities to discuss.
--Bob
post #2757 of 10117
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

I've been thinking about getting a pair of Audeze. Let us know how that works out (if you do it).

Before spending money on schiit, you might want to google for:

nwavguy I was banned

nwavguy meaning an issue with Schiit or the fact that you can DIY an amp much cheaper?
post #2758 of 10117
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Originally Posted by guitardave View Post

As to the placebo effect, well, of course it CAN occur, but the fact that it CAN does not mean that it always DOES.

Sorry, but unless you eliminate biases these claims are worthless.

The influence of the mind and sight on sound perception is far to powerful.

Here is an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lN8vWm3m0
post #2759 of 10117
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Stereo Signal setting choice should be having no effect on HDMI Audio output. Are you sure you had the D2 set to listen on the HDMI audio input?

If you can switch between Stereo Signal DOWN MIX STEREO and FRONT LEFT/RIGHT repeatedly and hear the Center channel going away and coming back with each such change on the HDMI LPCM audio then please write up what you're doing and email OPPO Tech Support.

They will likely ask you to start with a re-install of the firmware and Reset of the player, just to get things back to a known state for diagnosis. That is, download the USB install version of the current Official (1220) firmware, install it even if that's what you already have, do a complete Reset of the player after the install, power down and pull the power plug for about 10 seconds, power up and re-enter your personal settings, and power down once more (settings are saved during power down). Then see if the problem is still there.

If you think you might have actually been listening to an Analog audio input on the D2, then there are other possibilities to discuss.
--Bob
Thanks Bob,
I have re-flashed the oppo-105, restored to factory default, erased persistent flash, put back my configuration. And everything is back to normal (e.g. I get my center channel in HDMI LPCM). So I do not have a reproducible problem until it happen again.
post #2760 of 10117
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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

Thanks Bob,
I have re-flashed the oppo-105, restored to factory default, erased persistent flash, put back my configuration. And everything is back to normal (e.g. I get my center channel in HDMI LPCM). So I do not have a reproducible problem until it happen again.

Good. If the problem was first noticed after a firmware install, think back whether you did the Recommended Reset after that firmware install.

Obviously if it happens again, get in touch with OPPO. There's a small possibility your 105 needs Warranty service.
--Bob
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