Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread - Page 96

Originally Posted by Retina4711 

I think about owning a BDP-105 in the near future. Currently I check the net thoroughly about this player.
One question I have which I could not find any answer is about the ability of the Oppo to play FLAC 5.1 music files like these from 2L:

http://www.klicktrack.com/2l/search?c=FLAC+96kHz+24bit+5.1+surround

thx in advance !

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau 


Quite a few of the posters here are happily using multi-channel FLAC files, so I expect some will pop up with answers if you need more details. Right now they are likely making popcorn to enjoy the lip-sync debate.

Originally Posted by wmcclain 

Bob P answers the "Why does playback stop when I turn off the TV?" question from time to time. Something to do with a naughty AVR. I forget the details, but he'll be around as soon as he wakes up. Night owl.

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau 

Playback is Paused during an HDMI handshake to avoid missing content you wouldn't be able to hear or see anyway due to muting imposed until copy protection decides it is happy again.
--Bob

Originally Posted by oldav 

Yeah, no problem playing flac 5.1's, just plays like any other flac file. I have (Piano Improvisations (5.1 surround)) from 2L and it hasn't presented any problems. I have several other 96/24 5.1 flac's from other sources and haven't had any problems either. I use HDMI 2 on the 105 going to my pre/pro. All my flac's are streamed via ethernet to the 105.
Ahh, the great lip synch debacle series XX continues to infinity and beyound. Haven't they just heard of "READ MY LIPS"!

Originally Posted by delkat 

I would like to try the 5.1 FLAC via ethernet to the Oppo. How are you guys ripping the 2L material to 5.1 FLAC? My 2L material is on BluRay discs. Is there a ripping tool that can handle this?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau 

First of all, welcome to AVS and to this thread!

Now that said, PLAYBACK SHOULD NOT STOP. It should PAUSE and then resume in a couple seconds. [...] NOTE: There is a known bug where SACD playback can Stop due to an HDMI handshake in certain configurations, but that should not be affecting CD playback.

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau 

Come to think of it, your issue with the player STOPPING when this happens could be due to enabling HDMI CEC in the OPPO. I.e., it is getting a Stop command from either the TV or the AVR.

You can disable HDMI CEC in the OPPO's own Setup menu (Setup > Device Setup).
--Bob

Originally Posted by bgunn 

The stops were with SACDs if I recall correctly. The pauses were with redbook. I'll confirm this later if it's repeatable.
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Originally Posted by HaroldKumar 

It worked into a Emotiva UPA-1. I cut open a USB cord and there was a black, red, green and white wire.

Spliced the black and red into the 12v trigger cable supplied with the amp. Voila!

Originally Posted by Jeff Baker 

I'm surprised you didn't mention the USB input, as it's the best. Optical and Coaxial both have clock domain problems that cannot be completely eliminated, thanks to the awful SPDIF protocol. The higher time-domain distortion when using SPDIF with the BDP-105 was noted in some magazine reviews. Of the three you listed, HDMI is clearly the best because it doesn't have the clock recovery issue, and it uses TMDS signalling, and is superior in all the other ways you would expect for a protocol that was design 20 years after SPDIF.

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau 


Thanks everyone

I actually didn't mention USB because of the limitations of the device I was using to input to the Oppo (Apple TV). I had a feeling it might be HDMI. Really was trying to determine between HDMI/SPDIF.

Originally Posted by FlatRocky 

Hi, this is a dumb question but, usb black --> emotiva black? And usb red---> emotiva red?
Thank you in advance.
I am planning to do this with emotiva UPA-700 and UPA-200. No pre amp in the middle.
I wonder how does UPA-1 sounds with bdp-105?
Did you have to make any special adjustments to oppo ?
Regards
Kris

Originally Posted by Torqdog 

Monoprice RedMere HDMI cables... I was quite surprised to find that indeed there was a slight improvement with black levels and contrast being most noteworthy. There is now a definite 3D effect that was not noticed before. .

I'm at a loss to understand why and what it is that is going on but my eyes ain't lyin to me.

Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn 

Uh, yes, your eyes ARE lying to you. That's why we use meters to measure video displays... because meters cannot be fooled. Eyes are SO EASILY and SO COMPLETELY fooled, we can NEVER trust what we see. All you have to do is look online for optical illusions... they ALL fool our eyes. One of them even makes a series of dots completely disappear from our vision even though they remain displayed on the monitor. I ordered a few RedMere cables last week just because I needed some cables for relatives (teen with an XBox and composite video connection, etc.). I kept 1 for myself just to see what was going on with the new cable. Last night I used my $14,000 chroma meter and a freshly calibrated light meter (used for black levels as calibration meters typically aren't very good with black levels) to measure a plasma display with the RedMere cable plus a free cable that came in the box with an HD-DVD player (so old, it's not even a "high-speed" cable) and a "King Kong" high-end HDMI cable that will remain nameless. None of them changed the black level. None of them changed the contrast ratio. And just to be "complete" I ran a full set of grayscale/gamma measurements and CMS measurements. Everything was within the repeatability range of making measurements with a plasma display -- differences were below the threshold of being detectable to human vision. Patterns were generated by a high-end signal generator at 1080p60.

10 different cable manufacturers have admitted (to me personally, some "on the record", some "off the record"), that their HDMI cables, no matter how expensive or inexpensive, do not make any difference in digital video image quality. This includes some cable manufacturers who initially said their cables improved digital video image quality but within 6-12 months changed their minds and agreed that there was no detectable difference. In my experience, this has never happened before (any cable manufacturer admitting their cables did not "perform better" than cheaper or less-well-designed cables). One of these manufacturers even decided not to manufacture an HDMI cable after their first run of prototypes produced no differences in video image quality... much to their surprise. When cable manufacturers tell you that a cable they sell doesn't actually improve image quality, you know you have something very well-researched (by the cable manufacturer). In fact, the very best made HDMI cables have only 1 advantage over a free HDMI cable or over a $4 Monoprice cable... the expensive and carefully designed cable will likely operate without errors over longer cable runs (like 50 ft vs. 20 ft) than less well-designed cables -- and that's it. [Except for music playback... video is unaffected by the cable, movie sound does not change enough to worry about, but music playback is affected by the quality of the cable design and music playback is the only reason to spend more on an HDMI cable than Monoprice's low cost HDMI cables.] If you use analog or coax or USB for music, the HDMI cable you use for movies doesn't really matter at all. I'll happily use a $4 Monoprice cable or an expensive model and am confident that both cables deliver the same video image quality. When an HDMI cable does produce an error due to the cable run being too long, there are only 2 possible outcomes... total loss of video or "sparklies" where you get random pixels that are darker or lighter than they should be. The bright ones are more obvious and result in the "sparklies" name given to the effect when random pixels over the entire screen flash brightly for 1 frame at a time.

I don't like posting "contrary" opinions, but this thing (HDMI cable vs video image quality) is backed-up with measurements (which I've been doing since 2007 when I was very surprised to find that no HDMI cables made video images look better or worse) and statements from cable manufacturers which just doesn't happen unless they are certain.

Originally Posted by Jeff Baker 

Like I said, I think that's letting the implementers off too lightly. There is no possibility of HDCP on CD-DA, and the sound isn't being routed out HDMI-1 in any case, so IMHO it is unreasonable for HDCP handshaking on HDMI-1 output to interfere with playback of CDs over the analog output. As another poster pointed out, other similar equipment does not have this problem.

It's not like I'm sending mine back over this. The easy work-around is to make sure your display is already off before you listen to something.

Originally Posted by russ_777 

Great post.

[Except for music playback... video is unaffected by the cable, movie sound does not change enough to worry about, but music playback is affected by the quality of the cable design and music playback is the only reason to spend more on an HDMI cable than Monoprice's low cost HDMI cables.]

Originally Posted by HaroldKumar 

except for the can of worms opened up with this.....

Originally Posted by johsti 

Does the Oppo 105 upsample audio or play it natively? I plan to use the usb dac with my computer and wanted to make sure 44.1 is played natively at 44.1, 96 is played natively at 96, etc. etc. I understand the bit processing is done at 32 bits and I'm fine with that.

Any and all input is appreciated.

Originally Posted by HaroldKumar 

I think XBMC http://xbmc.org/ really stands out as the best one and with very active development. Can run on multiple platforms.

Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn 

[Except for music playback... video is unaffected by the cable, movie sound does not change enough to worry about, but music playback is affected by the quality of the cable design and music playback is the only reason to spend more on an HDMI cable than Monoprice's low cost HDMI cables.

Originally Posted by ehlarson 

A non-defective cable has a BER 10^-12. That's less than 1 bit per CD.

Once you get the data to the receiver it's reclocked.

End of story.

Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn 

Uh, yes, your eyes ARE lying to you. That's why we use meters to measure video displays... because meters cannot be fooled. Eyes are SO EASILY and SO COMPLETELY fooled, we can NEVER trust what we see. All you have to do is look online for optical illusions... they ALL fool our eyes. One of them even makes a series of dots completely disappear from our vision even though they remain displayed on the monitor. I ordered a few RedMere cables last week just because I needed some cables for relatives (teen with an XBox and composite video connection, etc.). I kept 1 for myself just to see what was going on with the new cable. Last night I used my $14,000 chroma meter and a freshly calibrated light meter (used for black levels as calibration meters typically aren't very good with black levels) to measure a plasma display with the RedMere cable plus a free cable that came in the box with an HD-DVD player (so old, it's not even a "high-speed" cable) and a "King Kong" high-end HDMI cable that will remain nameless. None of them changed the black level. None of them changed the contrast ratio. And just to be "complete" I ran a full set of grayscale/gamma measurements and CMS measurements. Everything was within the repeatability range of making measurements with a plasma display -- differences were below the threshold of being detectable to human vision. Patterns were generated by a high-end signal generator at 1080p60.

10 different cable manufacturers have admitted (to me personally, some "on the record", some "off the record"), that their HDMI cables, no matter how expensive or inexpensive, do not make any difference in digital video image quality. This includes some cable manufacturers who initially said their cables improved digital video image quality but within 6-12 months changed their minds and agreed that there was no detectable difference. In my experience, this has never happened before (any cable manufacturer admitting their cables did not "perform better" than cheaper or less-well-designed cables). One of these manufacturers even decided not to manufacture an HDMI cable after their first run of prototypes produced no differences in video image quality... much to their surprise. When cable manufacturers tell you that a cable they sell doesn't actually improve image quality, you know you have something very well-researched (by the cable manufacturer). In fact, the very best made HDMI cables have only 1 advantage over a free HDMI cable or over a $4 Monoprice cable... the expensive and carefully designed cable will likely operate without errors over longer cable runs (like 50 ft vs. 20 ft) than less well-designed cables -- and that's it. [Except for music playback... video is unaffected by the cable, movie sound does not change enough to worry about, but music playback is affected by the quality of the cable design and music playback is the only reason to spend more on an HDMI cable than Monoprice's low cost HDMI cables.] If you use analog or coax or USB for music, the HDMI cable you use for movies doesn't really matter at all. I'll happily use a $4 Monoprice cable or an expensive model and am confident that both cables deliver the same video image quality. When an HDMI cable does produce an error due to the cable run being too long, there are only 2 possible outcomes... total loss of video or "sparklies" where you get random pixels that are darker or lighter than they should be. The bright ones are more obvious and result in the "sparklies" name given to the effect when random pixels over the entire screen flash brightly for 1 frame at a time.

I don't like posting "contrary" opinions, but this thing (HDMI cable vs video image quality) is backed-up with measurements (which I've been doing since 2007 when I was very surprised to find that no HDMI cables made video images look better or worse) and statements from cable manufacturers which just doesn't happen unless they are certain.

Originally Posted by jimshowalter 

Plus which, errors are corrected.

Originally Posted by james57 

am unfortunately still getting some stuttering I guess it’s because the panel can't process 24p, would it be better if I use the PAL setting since my panel can process both ?

Originally Posted by james57 

Hi Bill, thanks for the support, My panel is indeed a native 1366X768 and will accept 1080i and 720p at 60 or 50 hz via HDMI not all the other ones as they relate to the d-sub 15 pin input. Yes I am in Canada and use the NTSC format but was wondering which conversion was better 1080p24 to 720p60 or 720p50 ?

Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn 

This is NOT really what you want... you may THINK you want it, but you really don't. You want the music played at the highest even multiple of the original recording... for some systems, that means 44.1 plays back at 88.2 and 48 plays back at 96, while in systems with 196 kHz DACs, you'd want to play 44.1 back at 176.4 and 48 at 192.

The reason for this is the filter that has to be used with lower sample rates... these brick wall filters (at 22,050 Hz for 44.1 kHz sample rates) create phase problems that propagate well down into the 1000s of Hz and possibly down into the 100s of Hz. The higher the sampling frequency, the gentler and less-intrusive the filtering can be. That results in removing all or nearly all of the phase problems caused by the brickwall filtering needed for lower sample rates. For that reason alone, you're better off with higher sample rates as long as you maintain even multiples... playing 44.1 at 96 is not the best choice, for example.

Some of the playback software (like JRiver Media Center for WIndows) allows you to specify the playback sample rate for each input sample rate... a really good feature IMO.