Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread - Page 2

Originally Posted by Ric Schultz 

You must let the 105 run for at least 2-3 weeks before it will sound its best. Out of the box, you will get a somewhat thin and grainy closed down sound. This was true for the 95 as well. I had two stock 95s here at the same time, one brand new and one that had 200 plus hours. The burned in one sounded much better.
I had an Eastern Electric DAC here that also uses the ES9018 DAC and the thing sounds wonderful.....better than a stock 95 and I bet better than stock 105. It uses only one set of the outputs from the DAC. Shocked me when I noticed this. Maybe the paralleling thing really does not make much difference with this chip. Maybe depends on what kind of output stage you are using. We shall see.
I received my first 105 today and will give it a quick listen and then start the burn in process. I will run it on repeat and also ocasionally use the Tara Labs burn in disc with the output stage loaded with a low impedance resistor. I will let everyone know what I think of the sound when I have burned it in.
I just checked the voltage on the output op amp just before the output coupling caps. There is some DC voltage offset when the unit is powering up and some when powering down. All this is stopped by the coupling caps. The voltage offset is never more than one and a half volts but if you had your volume control way up or were using the unit directly into an amp with the digital volume control and your amp was on and you turned it on.....not good. So, for most people, they will want to keep the stock coupling cap (a very good Elna Silmic cap). Of course, this opens the way for better coupling caps to be used. In some systems, you could get away with not having the coupling cap. After the unit settles there is less than 15 mv offset. The stock electrolytic coupling cap will take a while to really sound good.

Originally Posted by Franchot 

Sorry about the lack of description. I only had a short amount of time to set the player up and test out how the headphone amp sounded. By "nice" I mean the sound was smooth, detailed, and non-fatiguing. (I was listening to selected cuts from the CD versions of the Cure's Greatest Hits and John Hiatt's "Riding With The King" and an SACD of Bowie's Ziggy Stardust.)
I did some further headphone listening tonight switching back and forth between the headphone jacks on the 105 and my Yamaha 2000 and my Sennheiser 800s and the LCD-2s
I put in Clash of the Titans 3-D in the 105 with the 800s and the 105 didn't seem to muscle up a great deal of volume. The detail was very nice, but I had the volume up to 90 and above. On the Yamaha, there was plenty of headroom to go higher and the movie played much louder. Switching over to the LCD-2s, the 105 provided a better sound (clearer and more detailed), but again the volume was up to 85 to 90 to give me the sort of immersion that I craved. Again, the Yamaha easily played the movie louder if not as cleanly and crisply.
I put in Quadrophenia SACD (import) and again I was rather disappointed with the amount of volume from the 105 with the 800s. I could push the volume to 100 without distorting, but I've never listened to my cans at near maximum volume before. (Maybe it's a psychological thing or maybe I'm just getting old. .) Quadrophenia sounded better on the 105 with the LCD-2s, but the volume was in the 85 and up region.
At this juncture, I'm enjoying how the 105 and the LCD-2s interact with each other. The 800s and the Yamaha seem to work better for me. I'll let my ears (and body) get a good night's rest and do some more exploring tomorrow.

Originally Posted by tranle 

What is the trick to be able to browse Windows (7 or 8) shares ? It can see the directory but the login fail.I suspect that the 105 can not negotiate using the newer NT authentication.
Thanks.

Originally Posted by dmusoke 

Thanks for the review Lee ...are you saying the 105 sounded better through its un-processed analog outs versus thru HDMI + Audyssey?

Originally Posted by John Schlarb 

I'm looking at the BDP-103, and I wonder if the analog audio section of the BDP-105 would be noticeably better than the one in my Pioneer Elite SC-05. The SC-05 uses a 192 kHz / 24-bit DAC (Wolfson WM8740). I have a collection of SACDs, and I'm looking for a good replacement for my "fat" PS3, which died last year. My speakers are Ascend Acoustics, not the best, but certainly not bad.
Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks.

Originally Posted by djkiwi 

Guys, I've been playing with the 105 for a couple of hours. I will burn it in for a few days before making any comments on sound. One thing though is netflix and vudu. I have a Samsung smart TV with a USB wireless stick and also a Roku. Both of these have no issues streaming netflix. The Oppo is very slow to start streaming and then when it does the connection will be lost and tries to reconnect. Vudu won't load at all. Anyone else seen this? Maybe I have a dud wireless adaptor? I did notice the 95 was slow to load netflix as well. I'm using a Cisco E3000 which is no slug.
Cheers
DJ

Originally Posted by JonStatt 

While I am not denying that burn-in has an effect, with all of my solid state devices, I have found that the first 10 hours is where all the change really happens, and after that, if it does change, its very slight and very gradual. I had actually run-in the 105 for over 15 hours before I actually listened to anything on it Nothing sounded thin or grainy to my ears.I believe that what I noted regarding the 105 having a slightly brighter and more detailed presentation, is a characteristic difference rather than something that will disappear with burn-in.

Originally Posted by Roger Mathus 

On my 95 which I received from first batch in early 2011, I experienced a shrill sound at first but after about 2 to 3 days I did not experience it. I did a number of comparisons to an Accuphase DD75 in same system and I actually preferred the OPPO after burn-in. I received my 105 yesterday and installed in same system. The 105 sounded quite good right out of the box but I have been playing it constantly since yesterday morning. If anything, I think that the 105 seems more detailed in the upper register but without sounding harsh. I will wait a few days before doing detailed comparisons.

Originally Posted by JazzGuyy 

I'd love to hear how it compares to the 83SE.

Originally Posted by Brian-HD 

Objectively if possible. If someone can clearly pick it out, when compared.

Originally Posted by ehlarson 

I set mine up and used it to watch the Director's Cut of Watchmen last night plus exercised some of the network features and installed the remote control app on my Android.
I'd say that if you have an 83 like I did that it's time to upgrade. Going from the 83 to the 105 is like going from Kansas to Oz.

Originally Posted by himey 

My guess is they will sound different because the DACs are stacked in the 83se...I am also looking foward to comparasons.

Originally Posted by Torqdog 

Not to mention that the 83SE utilizes the 9016 dac instead of the 9018. When I went from the 83SE to the 95 I noticed a definite improvement in sound quality. It wasn't substantial but it was noticable.

Originally Posted by Roger Mathus 

I have a 93, 103, 95 and now a 105. I have had no problems with VuDu. On the signal speed test utility, what readings do you get? I don't think that the player is the source of your problems. Can you move the OPPO closer to your wireless router and get a VuDu connect to run the test? If not, I think there is a utility on the Samsung????

Originally Posted by JonStatt 

Ha! So I didn't imagine it. That is exactly what I described above as the difference I heard with the 105 over the 95....more detailed in the upper register.

Originally Posted by Brian-HD 

When compared 83se and 95, I was unable to get your result. i really tried to discern if there was an improvement.

Originally Posted by JonStatt 

The end result is a very smooth, easy to listen to, well balanced sound. For those looking for more excitement, it may fall short and for those looking to chill-out and relax, it is going to be very pleasing indeed. It isn't over-powering at any frequency point and is fairly neutral. If it just had a bit more oomph it would have been perfect.

Oppo is very conservative in their current design spec for the headphone circuit. Look at the table below for the rated 0.001% THD spec. The chip is capable of much more output power at this low THD than what Oppo has designed it for.

Impedance Oppo Spec Chip Spec (@0.001% THD)

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600 ohm 12mW 80mW - 150mW (depending on whether Oppo uses +/-12 or +/-15V supply rails. Higher voltage produces higher output powers).

60 ohm 91mW 850mW - 1300mW (depending on whether Oppo uses +/-12 or +/-15V supply rails).

32 ohm 137mW 1500mW - 2000mW (depending on whether Oppo uses +/-12 or +/-15V supply rails).

I hope Oppo gives the user in software for the option to set the maximum output power level of the headphone amplifier. This will prevent alot of users from complaining about the 'lack' of punch or whatever for those more exotic headphones that require higher current drives(not the iphone typessmile.gif!).

- David

Originally Posted by tomcrown1 

Is it just me? The bass in the 105 sounds a lot more tighter then the 95. It has a more real world sound to it. The bass in the 95 always sounded like a big boom box..

Originally Posted by Franchot 


Sorry about the lack of description. I only had a short amount of time to set the player up and test out how the headphone amp sounded. By "nice" I mean the sound was smooth, detailed, and non-fatiguing. (I was listening to selected cuts from the CD versions of the Cure's Greatest Hits and John Hiatt's "Riding With The King" and an SACD of Bowie's Ziggy Stardust.)
I did some further headphone listening tonight switching back and forth between the headphone jacks on the 105 and my Yamaha 2000 and my Sennheiser 800s and the LCD-2s
I put in Clash of the Titans 3-D in the 105 with the 800s and the 105 didn't seem to muscle up a great deal of volume. The detail was very nice, but I had the volume up to 90 and above. On the Yamaha, there was plenty of headroom to go higher and the movie played much louder. Switching over to the LCD-2s, the 105 provided a better sound (clearer and more detailed), but again the volume was up to 85 to 90 to give me the sort of immersion that I craved. Again, the Yamaha easily played the movie louder if not as cleanly and crisply.
I put in Quadrophenia SACD (import) and again I was rather disappointed with the amount of volume from the 105 with the 800s. I could push the volume to 100 without distorting, but I've never listened to my cans at near maximum volume before. (Maybe it's a psychological thing or maybe I'm just getting old. .) Quadrophenia sounded better on the 105 with the LCD-2s, but the volume was in the 85 and up region.
At this juncture, I'm enjoying how the 105 and the LCD-2s interact with each other. The 800s and the Yamaha seem to work better for me. I'll let my ears (and body) get a good night's rest and do some more exploring tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Hikmer 

How does the analouge output between the 103 and the 105 compare? I am finding my outboard DAC to sound better than the 103 and was hoping somoene could compare the two. The bass in the 103 is a tad on the soft side compared to my outbard DAC. I was thinking of picking up the 105 and doing a side by side, then retrun the 103 if I find it worth the extra $700+ dollars. Can you providse any of your findings?

Originally Posted by audiofan1 

Do you guys use the 95's FL/FR option in the audio setup? if so set it to downmix and there will be more detail and tighter bass, If you guys would check this out that would be great:)

Originally Posted by Torqdog 

As I said, the differences weren't substantial but noticable. IIRC(it's been so long) bass was a tad deeper with the 95 and it just seemed there was a slight bit more definition in the highs. I did however notice a better multichannel performance (SACDs) with the 95 over the 83SE as there was a difinite step up in performance that was realized when going from the 9006 multichannel DAC in the 83SE to the 9018 multi used in the 95. That made all the difference for me as I do listen to allot of SACDs and concert blurays via analog.

Originally Posted by Roger Mathus 

I also find the downmix setting more to my liking. It seems to provide a more full bodied presentation but I have not sampled a lot of different discs yet. The fine detail in the new Naxos disc with Copland's piano concerto is amazing. This afternoon I plan to test some coral music to see how it handles the complexity. Then I will go to solo voice.

Originally Posted by darkphader 

BDP-105 arrived today. One of the things I really needed was for it to handle the audio from the TV, however the audio via both ARC and Toslink is severely out-of-sync (was perfect with the old Outlaw 950 that I'm retiring). The sync issue remains with all tested sources from the TV, both OTA and using Vierra Connect for Amazon Prime feeds.

I do hope a firmware fix for this is on the way soon.