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post #3031 of 5591
1/19/13 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Good catch!

A-B Repeat works for that track using the latest firmware on the 93, but is a Prevented User Operation (red-slashed circle) using the latest firmware on the 105.

I'll post that as a bug through Beta Tester channels and see what happens. It may indeed be a temporary restriction of the current firmware in the 105, but it may also be the case that the powers that be in the Blu-ray Disc Association have cracked down with stricter testing of adherence to Prevented User Operations in newly certified players.
--Bob


Cool Bob...thanks. wink.gif
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post #3032 of 5591
1/19/13 at 7:31pm
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Well, my most recent issue is with DVD-Audio & SACD Multichannel playback. It seems that each time I first put in either of these disc formats that are multichannel I initially only get stereo output. I have to turn the player off, then turn back on. Then I get the multichannel output. No other adjustments are made prior or after. Anyone else experience this?

Yep, I hit this on the latest official FW release playing Nickel Creek "This Side" MCH SACD. Had to reboot the Oppo. No config changes.

Styln

Both of you should definitely write up the details of your cabling and settings, along with the bar-code numbers from the packaging of the discs you are using to replicate this problem, and email that to OPPO Tech Support.

Be sure to mention that it is happening with DVD-Audio discs as well.

I've not seen any indication of this being a wide-spread problem, so it may be peculiar to the particular discs you happen to be using, or to the specifics of your settings in the 105. For example whether or not Quick Start is in use. It may also be a case where the key factor is what you were playing in the 105 just prior to the problem surfacing each time. For example Pandora app, or a normal CD disc. Try to keep track of what you were last doing with the player prior to the problem and see if you can spot a pattern.
--Bob
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post #3033 of 5591
1/19/13 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Good catch!

A-B Repeat works for that track using the latest firmware on the 93, but is a Prevented User Operation (red-slashed circle) using the latest firmware on the 105.

I'll post that as a bug through Beta Tester channels and see what happens. It may indeed be a temporary restriction of the current firmware in the 105, but it may also be the case that the powers that be in the Blu-ray Disc Association have cracked down with stricter testing of adherence to Prevented User Operations in newly certified players.
--Bob

What would their concern be? Why would this be a prevented user operation?
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post #3034 of 5591
1/19/13 at 9:59pm
^ It could just be an authoring mistake on the disc which was never enforced in the older player. Sometimes there's no logic as to why these PUOs exist on discs. Or it could be an issue with the 103/105 firmware.
--Bob
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post #3035 of 5591
1/19/13 at 10:10pm
I found out about this player today and am wondering what everyone's thoughts on using this to replace my PS3 for blue ray player. If I do that I would be using the BD105 as a blueray and cd player.1.gif
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post #3036 of 5591
1/19/13 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by billsmith45 View Post

I found out about this player today and am wondering what everyone's thoughts on using this to replace my PS3 for blue ray player. If I do that I would be using the BD105 as a blueray and cd player.

You might want to consider the companion OPPO BDP-103 player instead, unless you intend to make serious use of the higher quality Analog audio outputs of the 105, or of the 105's additional types of digital audio inputs.
--Bob
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post #3037 of 5591
1/20/13 at 12:34am
Wireless networks always have packet loss which causes TCP retransmits.
For streaming I would rather use wired Ethernet
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post #3038 of 5591
1/20/13 at 6:56am
Page 69 of the manual:

NOTE
Speaker Configuration applies to the multi-channel analogue audio outputs only. All digital (bitstream and LPCM) outputs are unaffected by these settings.

and also page 18:

... STEREO AUDIO OUT will NOT be affected by the "Down mix" modes and other speaker settings in the Audio processing of Setup menù...


BUT the distance speakers configuration affect the stereo audio outputs (balanced and unbalanced).

Seems like a bug. Has anyone been able to verify?
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post #3039 of 5591
1/20/13 at 6:59am
^ If Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT is set, then the Dedicated Stereo Outputs respond to all of the Speaker Configuration settings that apply to the Left Front / Right Front speakers of the multi-channel Analog set.

If Stereo Signal DOWN MIXED STEREO is set, then the Dedicated Stereo Outputs are independent of those settings.
--Bob
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post #3040 of 5591
1/20/13 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ If Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT is set, then the Dedicated Stereo Outputs respond to all of the Speaker Configuration settings that apply to the Left Front / Right Front speakers of the multi-channel Analog set.

If Stereo Signal DOWN MIXED STEREO is set, then the Dedicated Stereo Outputs are independent of those settings.
--Bob

Dear Bob,
thanks for your quick response.
I'm doing some tests and with both Stereo Signal configuration the speaker distance setting affect the dedicated Stereo Outputs.
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post #3041 of 5591
1/20/13 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ If Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT is set, then the Dedicated Stereo Outputs respond to all of the Speaker Configuration settings that apply to the Left Front / Right Front speakers of the multi-channel Analog set.

If Stereo Signal DOWN MIXED STEREO is set, then the Dedicated Stereo Outputs are independent of those settings.
--Bob

Thanks for all your advice, it has been very helpful and has saved me a great deal of time. What are your thoughts on player "burn in"? If you feel it's helpful does the amplifier need to be on or would it be enough just to play a CD on repeat for a period of time. Thanks in advance.
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post #3042 of 5591
1/20/13 at 9:21am
Hi,

I am considering an upgrade from BDP-93 to the 105. Unfortunately I don't have a high-end receiver, so I am not sure I would reap the benefits of the 105's circuitry.

In addition, I listen to music through a Mac mini connected to an Apogee DUET that plays through a Sony DG-820 in direct mode, which is significantly better than letting the DG-820 do the digital-to-analog conversion.

So, my question is: Given that I don't own a high-end receiver or power amp, would the sound quality of

• Mac mini > Oppo 105 (USB DAC) > DG-820 (stereo inputs)

be worth the money for the Oppo compared to my current system, i.e.

• Mac mini > DUET (Firewire) > DG-820 (stereo inputs) ?

I use Amarra as my software player.


I do plan to upgrade my receiver to something from Marantz or Rotel, but I was just wondering what to spend my budget on, to begin with.

I look forward to your advice.

BTW, my speakers are B&W 685 Theatre

--Aris
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post #3043 of 5591
1/20/13 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by anoutsos View Post

Hi,

I am considering an upgrade from BDP-93 to the 105. Unfortunately I don't have a high-end receiver, so I am not sure I would reap the benefits of the 105's circuitry.

In addition, I listen to music through a Mac mini connected to an Apogee DUET that plays through a Sony DG-820 in direct mode, which is significantly better than letting the DG-820 do the digital-to-analog conversion.

So, my question is: Given that I don't own a high-end receiver or power amp, would the sound quality of

• Mac mini > Oppo 105 (USB DAC) > DG-820 (stereo inputs)

be worth the money for the Oppo compared to my current system, i.e.

• Mac mini > DUET (Firewire) > DG-820 (stereo inputs) ?

I use Amarra as my software player.


I do plan to upgrade my receiver to something from Marantz or Rotel, but I was just wondering what to spend my budget on, to begin with.

I look forward to your advice.

BTW, my speakers are B&W 685 Theatre

--Aris

It depends on your upgrade plans and other components that you attach to your AVR. If you want to get to a more analog-focused solution, and don't want to buy the 103 and later replace it with the 105, you could start upgrading now with the 105. But you'd need to be sure of the upgrade plan.
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post #3044 of 5591
1/20/13 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by anoutsos View Post

Hi,

I am considering an upgrade from BDP-93 to the 105. Unfortunately I don't have a high-end receiver, so I am not sure I would reap the benefits of the 105's circuitry.

In addition, I listen to music through a Mac mini connected to an Apogee DUET that plays through a Sony DG-820 in direct mode, which is significantly better than letting the DG-820 do the digital-to-analog conversion.

So, my question is: Given that I don't own a high-end receiver or power amp, would the sound quality of

• Mac mini > Oppo 105 (USB DAC) > DG-820 (stereo inputs)

be worth the money for the Oppo compared to my current system, i.e.

• Mac mini > DUET (Firewire) > DG-820 (stereo inputs) ?

I use Amarra as my software player.


I do plan to upgrade my receiver to something from Marantz or Rotel, but I was just wondering what to spend my budget on, to begin with.

I look forward to your advice.

BTW, my speakers are B&W 685 Theatre

--Aris

I just replaced a Duet with the 105 in my main system and moved the Duet to my office system. The 105 might sound better but not by much. The Duet is a very good interface. If it was me I would spend my money on upgrading the DG-820. It is the weakest link in your current system.
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post #3045 of 5591
1/20/13 at 10:40am

I know the distance settings in the 105 pertain to the MCH analogs but do they also work for the stereo outs?

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post #3046 of 5591
1/20/13 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by RouslanB View Post

Wireless networks always have packet loss which causes TCP retransmits.
For streaming I would rather use wired Ethernet

Like this?



Of course that's the cool part of TCP - it will re-transmit if necessary. Doesn't mean it will be necessary, nor does it mean a re-transmit will result in any real data loss.

Good performing wireless should be more than adequate for the Oppo's streaming needs.

Chris.
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post #3047 of 5591
1/20/13 at 10:48am
Thank you so much for your quick reply, guys!

bobdoggy, I think your advice is a great one, especially since you know what my DAC is like. Indeed, my AVR was an interim solution until I got something serious. (I am considering the Marantz combo, AV7005 - or AV7701 - and a MM7055. It has received fantastic reviews.)

But, anyway, thanks for your excellent advice.

--Aris
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post #3048 of 5591
1/20/13 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

I know the distance settings in the 105 pertain to the MCH analogs but do they also work for the stereo outs?
Do you mean by setting the LF to 1ft and RF to 12ft ? In stereo there is really only 2 speakers.
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post #3049 of 5591
1/20/13 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

I know the distance settings in the 105 pertain to the MCH analogs but do they also work for the stereo outs?
Only if they're configured as FL / FR. If they're set to the stereo downmix option, those settings don't apply.
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post #3050 of 5591
1/20/13 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Only if they're configured as FL / FR. If they're set to the stereo downmix option, those settings don't apply.

You've tried it? Unfortunately, also in stereo downmix mode the settings are active.
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post #3051 of 5591
1/20/13 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by anoutsos View Post


... I listen to music through a Mac mini connected to an Apogee DUET that plays through a Sony DG-820 in direct mode, which is significantly better than letting the DG-820 do the digital-to-analog conversion.


--Aris

Apogee make great converters. If you are just trying to consolidate, the Oppo does sound good - I have not compared it to my Apogee converters. I think you'd get better sound and bang for the buck with better amps. 7 channels @ only 17lbs makes me think that Sony would be very weak.
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post #3052 of 5591
1/20/13 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by anoutsos View Post

Thank you so much for your quick reply, guys!

bobdoggy, I think your advice is a great one, especially since you know what my DAC is like. Indeed, my AVR was an interim solution until I got something serious. (I am considering the Marantz combo, AV7005 - or AV7701 - and a MM7055. It has received fantastic reviews.)

But, anyway, thanks for your excellent advice.

--Aris

Don't do the 7007 unless you have a small space and don't listen to rock or blues. I tried one for a few weeks and it was OK for mellower music, but anything with guitars or punchy drums was pretty bad. I'm using a 7701 and MM8077 now and am very pleased with that setup - I imagine a 7055 would be good as well - I just couldn't find one in stock for weeks and had to go with the 8077.
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post #3053 of 5591
1/20/13 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by gnoto View Post

You've tried it? Unfortunately, also in stereo downmix mode the settings are active.

Confirmed. However, the Trim is not active - just distance. Doesn't seem like the worst thing (unless where you sit for surround is different from stereo listening), but odd that Trim then doesn't also work. rolleyes.gif

I'm curious how you discovered this and how you tested it.

Steve
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post #3054 of 5591
1/20/13 at 2:59pm
My understanding (probably faulty) was that if I used a software DLNA Server (say J River), I could connect my PC directly to the OPPO via one of the OTHER USB ports (not the USB B DAC) and thus enable "multichannel" reproduction.

Unfortunately on my Windows 7 64 bit PC, ONLY the 2 channel USB B connection shows up as a selectable "audio device"

Sorry, I know I am missing something.
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post #3055 of 5591
1/20/13 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by TrebleClef View Post

My understanding (probably faulty) was that if I used a software DLNA Server (say J River), I could connect my PC directly to the OPPO via one of the OTHER USB ports (not the USB B DAC) and thus enable "multichannel" reproduction.

Unfortunately on my Windows 7 64 bit PC, ONLY the 2 channel USB B connection shows up as a selectable "audio device"

Sorry, I know I am missing something.

DLNA is an ethernet protocol. You need to use wired or wireless networking, not USB.

-Bill
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post #3056 of 5591
1/20/13 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by gnoto View Post

Page 69 of the manual:

NOTE
Speaker Configuration applies to the multi-channel analogue audio outputs only. All digital (bitstream and LPCM) outputs are unaffected by these settings.

and also page 18:

... STEREO AUDIO OUT will NOT be affected by the "Down mix" modes and other speaker settings in the Audio processing of Setup menù...


BUT the distance speakers configuration affect the stereo audio outputs (balanced and unbalanced).

Seems like a bug. Has anyone been able to verify?

Good catch!

I've confirmed your finding. The Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs are affected by the Speaker Configuration > LF/RF > Distance settings even when Stereo Signal DOWN MIX STEREO is set.

I've posted this as a bug to OPPO.

This will be particularly important to folks who are using the Dedicated Stereo outputs for a separate purpose, such as to drive an external Headphone amp.

For that matter, although I didn't test it, the odds are good this bug also affects the built-in Headphone output in the 105, since they are driven from the same, stereo board.

Confirmed using Avia Pro, SD-DVD, Audio Tests disc (Green/White label) > Dolby > Setup > Distance Compensation > LF/RF track.
--Bob
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post #3057 of 5591
1/20/13 at 4:09pm
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Of course that's the cool part of TCP - it will re-transmit if necessary. Doesn't mean it will be necessary, nor does it mean a re-transmit will result in any real data loss.

Good performing wireless should be more than adequate for the Oppo's streaming needs.

Chris.

TCP...yes. But not UDP. Streaming protocols are frequently UDP based. I believe uPnP is one of those.
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post #3058 of 5591
1/20/13 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

DLNA is an ethernet protocol. You need to use wired or wireless networking, not USB.

-Bill

Sigh.

I guess I need to read your previously recommended FAQs or other threads, on how and where to configure this.

I suppose since I already have my 105 connected to my network via ethernet via it should be pretty straightforward. I'm assuming a setting somewhere in the sofrware (J River, et al)


Thanks. The help is much appreciated.
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post #3059 of 5591
1/20/13 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

TCP...yes. But not UDP. Streaming protocols are frequently UDP based. I believe uPnP is one of those.

1) See the image I posted - no errors, therefore it really doesn't matter. If you have error prone wireless or wired you may have problems. The point is that wireless is not, in and of itself, inherently a problem.

2) UDP is only used for discovery - not a critical scenario.
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post #3060 of 5591
1/20/13 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Doug, it should be plug and play on the Mac. All the Mac audio should be audible through the 105. To keep things simple, try just using iTunes to play something. If that doesn't work, give OPPO a call as your Asynchronous USB DAC input may need service.

Do you perhaps have sound volume equalizer software enabled?
--Bob

I corrected the problem by unplugging the 105 power cord and restarting everything... normal performance from PC and Mac now. JRiver Media Center 17 is really unstable (hard crashes that take 15 minutes or a reboot to recover from) when you start it and connect the 105 after MC17 is started... must have 105 running and in USB DAC input mode before starting MC17. Maybe MC18 is better... time to download!
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