Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread - Page 107

Thanks much for valuable information.

Yes mine is in AIFF Forma and yes it takes up a lot of space. I will try spesoft and update. I would at some point retire all this (before July 2013) as moving my entire collection to Vidabox Servers and front end will use VStreamer

Hi gsr, nycjazz,
I am using JRiver MC18 in 2 configurations: Direct USB connection (Oppo is the "player") and through my wired network.
USB has the 192/24 2 channel limitation, while the DLNA/network connection can handle multichannel.
But, If USB connection does not handle multichannel playback, it doe not suffer from the gapless playing issue that most renderer are suffering from through DLNA.

In both cases I use either JRiver "Gizmo" app (Android) or BubbleSoft (Android/iOs) or the "webGizmo" which is accessible through any web browser.

Hope that help.
Best
Kami

Hi Kal,

MC18 offers the possibility to connect through the internet to your home based server (should the server always be on, connected and with proper port open in your router)
Running MC on an other PC, either connected to the same network or through the internet, allow to access to the main server library and to enjoy your very same music wherever you are.
The remote connection (through internet) is limited to MP3/320, so not that we can call audiophile...
But this goes slightly OT...
Best
Kami

Agreed.  Useful for some.

I'm planning on hooking up my DirecTv and Apple TV to the 2 HDMI inputs. Will I get good quality audio from the OPPO using this method of hook up? WIll your audio from the Apple TV box go through the good DAC's and come out sweet sounding or is it better to use a hard drive hooked up via the USB inputs for computer audio?

How do people like the combination of Apple Tv with the OPPO 105? Any quirks are problems?

Thanks for any help!!!

Forgot to mention, anybody want to buy a 83SE, loved and treated well with manual, original boxes and everything it came with?

Try the AVS Classifieds forums, Audiogon, ebay, and/or Craig's List.

If you're using the analog outputs on the Oppo, the Oppo's DAC's are being used. There are still some teething problems with using the HDMI inputs - if you read over the last few pages of this and the BDP-103 thread, you should get a good feel for what those are. In general people seem to be having good results sending Apple TV's through the inputs, but some people have been running into some relatively minor issues with DirecTV boxes (there are workarounds for most of the issues people are having, and Oppo is working on more permanent fixes).

What he said ^

and

I have had good success using the Apple TV but I do not use it for music.
Most of my music is in FLAC format and not Apple or MP3' so that is not an options.

Foobar2000 (free) with a remote program like MonkeyMote 4 for Foobar (IPAD $1.99) are a good solution for no cost.
Pushing music to the 105 (DMR) works only with the UPnP controller component and is not controllable via a tablet (at least, I haven't figured out how).

I also use J River Media Center ($50 PC) and J Remote (IPAD $9.99) which has more DSP features and is very slick an polished.
So with J River you can use the USB input or the DMR to send music via your network.

Using my IPad to browse music and control the Oppo is a revelation to me.
I have great sound, and I find myself playing a MUCH wider variety of songs.

- Rich

Discrete IR codes for ON/OFF

I like to use IR macros to turn my equipment on with the TV set to the right input and the AV processor set to the right source. It helps if there are discrete ON/OFF codes available, instead of just power toggle. The BDP-105 does not have discrete ON/OFF on its remote, and Harmony didn't include them when I added the BDP-105 as a device. But I discovered that the BDP-83 had discrete ON/OFF buttons on its remote. I added BDP-83 as a Harmony device and it included discrete ON/OFF codes. I used the discrete power ON code to program a macro on my preferred universal remote control, an old Sony RM-VL900. Now I can use macros to switch between sources without having to worry about unintentionally turning the BDP off if it happens to be already on.

Every Blu-ray disc player I've seen so far, as an internal DAC... though some only have analog stereo outputs. None of those Blu-ray disc players REQUIRES an external DAC. Though you could use an external DAC with any of them.

What is different about the Oppo 105 is that it has a USB DAC input that can be connected to a computer via one of the computer's USB ports. With media player software on the computer, you can play music on the computer and the Oppo 105 will convert the digital audio to analog... and out to your high-end stereo preamp or to your high-end surround processor. Of course there are even surround processors that have USB DAC inputs these days so there's no need to duplicate such a feature. Many USB DACs in products selling for up to $10,000 cannot accept sample rates higher than 48 kHz. Another group of USB DACs will accept up to 96 kHz sample rates (the least expensive one I know of is $249). The Oppo 105 is one of the few I've run across that will accept up to 192 kHz sample rates. Of course this doesn't mean much if you aren't into high-res digital file formats and have a system good enough to hear the benefits of high-res music files.

Hi guys,

Just have one question about oppo 105, would oppo 105 allow users to adjust treble, bass volume and balance on each channel? I know most people might use the specific LFE channel, and set all other speakers to "small". What if my main speakers can go below about 30hz, and I like to set them to " big". Would I adjust the front left and right channels' treble and bass volume and balance level?

Thanks

Thanks for that link to the review. It's the first one I've seen where the reviewer was more focused on comparing the audio performance of the 105 to it's predecessor, the 95. Considering the fact that I still have a 95 and have been sitting on the fence, I especially appreciated hearing this;

Before I did any listening tests, I played a CD in an infinite loop for about four days. I wanted to be sure the player had plenty of warm-up time regardless of whether I feel this in fact makes any difference to the sound. From there, my focus turned to comparing the sound of this player to the spectacular BDP-95. I didn’t expect much difference given that they both use the same reference DAC, but considering the small differences in design, I wanted to make sure.

Two-channel playback was nearly identical, and any difference I did perceive was so slight, I might as well not even report it. The BDP-105 was every bit as detailed and dynamic as the BDP-95, and this was proven time and again with a large assortment of SACDs and CDs. I was particularly impressed by the latest SACD release of Holly Cole’s Temptation (Analog Productions, CAPSA048). Switching back and forth between the BDP-95 and the BDP-105 with this gem showed no difference in Cole’s sultry vocals or the music’s lush instrumentation. The recent re-issue of Pink Floyd’s Wish You Were Here (Analog Productions, CAPSA3453) was also identical down to the last detail, whether I chose the stereo or high-resolution multichannel mix. Dynamics were outstanding and the tonal balance perfect. I’ve heard complaints that the upper end of the Oppo’s output is a tad sharp, but I found no signs of brightness or grittiness regardless of what I played through it.

I am kinda surprised that this reviewer found little to no difference in the multichannel outputs as I have read many posts that claimed this was the most discernable difference between the two units.

Still sitting on the fence in the very cold, highly "static electrified atmosphere" of the high desert. What a PITA that's been but that is for another forum.
Edited by Torqdog - 1/24/13 at 9:40pm

For you fellows arguing about slew rate, I think first you should get your terminology straight. Slew rates for amplifiers are, in terms of times, measured in µs not ms. I am sure this was a unintentional mistake made, as we all do, but it makes reading your arguments somewhat confusing when one says that 40v/ms should be more than adequate.

Here's another new review of the BDP-105 that addresses this. The bottom line is that the Analog output of the 105 and 95 are more similar than different -- both excellent. The main step up in Analog output is from either the 93 or 103 to either the 95 or 105.

Keep in mind there are other aspects of sound design than just the Analog output stage. In particular, the 105 has the next generation decoder compared to the 95 -- more file formats and codec variants, and fewer format limitation gotchas. Then of course, there's also the flexibility of the INPUTS in the 105. And its built-in Headphone jack. And that's just audio!

---

Everything Audio Network (John Gatski): New Review of the BDP-105

http://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.com/2013/01/audiophile-review-oppo-bdp-105.html


AWARDED: EAN Stellar Sound Award

BOTTOM LINE: "For sheer utility and sound quality, its hard to beat the Oppo BDP-105."

--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 1/24/13 at 11:48pm

I'll post a short review soon as I feel after 500hrs of yes burn in the 105 is indeed ready for its evaluation, To give you a slight nudge via analog outs it graciously surpasses the 95 and makes a next level up player for Oppo, I wish I could meet the Audiophile they keep locked away for pointers:D as I feel they have done it again. Sell, sell, sell as fast as you can;)

Thanks for posting this. Let's do it up right, so that Kris gets proper recognition for his hard work:


Home Theater Magazine (Kris Deering): New Review of the BDP-105

http://www.hometheater.com/content/oppo-bdp-105-blu-ray-3d-player




AWARDED: Home Theater Top Picks. 5-Stars in All Categories



(Fortunately for OPPO's future business, most enthusiasts don't limit their buying choices merely to things they "need"! )
--Bob

OK, several different topics here.

The multi-channel Analog outputs of the 105 are capable of playing every file format the player can handle -- both music and movies -- at top quality. The same is true when playing stereo content using the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs -- whether that's stereo music content of movie content. (Playing multi-channel content out the stereo outputs would, of course, require a "down mix".)

Next, your Onkyo may very well provide a setting for analog direct "pass through". In which case it is basically being used as a pre-amp -- just volume control. Doing that means you forego any value-added audio processing in the Onkyo, such as Audyssey room correction. Any such processing would be done digitally, and thus the analog audio input would have to be re-digitized by the Onkyo as the first step, then processed, then converted back to analog for output using the DACs in the Onkyo -- hardly a case of "pass through".

HOWEVER, you may LIKE the results of Audyssey (or other processing in the Onkyo) enough that it still SOUNDS BETTER to let the Onkyo do all that for you. Personally I always pass Analog audio through my Anthem Statement D2v and let Anthem Room Correction (ARC) do its thing. It's amazing.

The folks experimenting with the direct-to-power-amps analog connections are going a step FURTHER than "pass through". They are eliminating the pre-amp ALTOGETHER, and using Volume control provided by the OPPO itself. Even in "pass through" the analog audio still has to go through the analog audio circuits of the Onkyo, and a direct-to-amp connection eliminates that. There's a "less is better" mentality here, and depending on the quality of the rest of your equipment, and precisely what's going on in the "pass through" circuit design in the Onkyo you might hear a difference.

Next, using Analog for audio output doesn't alter what's happening on the video output. Yes, you would still see disc menus and player menus on the HDMI 1 video output direct to your TV.

Next, give it a try -- I suspect you will discover that using Analog audio output eliminates much or all of the lip-sync issues you have noted.
--Bob

The Harmony device definition for the BDP-105 should have the discrete ON/OFF codes. As you noted they had them for the older OPPO players. They should be named PwrON, PwrOFF, and PwrToggle, and the actual codes are identical for the various OPPO Blu-ray players.

In the Harmony's power setup for the BDP-105 device, you will likely need to specify that the 105 has discrete On/Off available and select the two codes.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. Looks like another reviewer has an opinion that the 95 and 105 are almost identical in analog musical performance.

With that little problem taken care of, I started my initial listening sessions through the amazingly detailed, Martin Logan Montis, electrostats’. I quickly found the BDP-105’s sonic signature to be very familiar — in that it sounds, essentially, like the BDP-95. After all, it is the same ESS DAC chip.

I can appreciate that the 105 has loads of improvements, mostly associated with expanded hookup options and a headphone jack. But for those of us who are not concerned with that stuff and are more interested in any potential audio improvements, reviews like this and the Home Theater review are quite helpful. After all, neither of these two reviewers have spent $1199.00 and so their reviews don't come with the a$$ociated placebo effect. I know all too well how infectious that can be after my little $20.00 Red-Mere cable incident.

It's beginning to look as though my fence sitting may be coming to a close but am still keeping my powder dry. LOL
Edited by Torqdog - 1/25/13 at 7:36am

Maybe audio is fairly similar (own both 95 and 105) but, definitely, the fan-less 105 is much preferable.

That alone is what keeps my interest piqued. The fan on my 95 has seemingly become more noisy as I explore different music genres such as what is found on the 2L Nordic Sound bluray and is why I haven't completely abandoned my "fence" position.

I didn't buy a 95 because of the fan. So I did buy a 105.

Same here. It's crazy to buy something because of its bazillion-dB SNR, while also having a fan inside. I don't even care if the SQ on the 105 is identical to the 95; I can't bear to have the fan.

Speaking in terms of the 95 vs 105 analog performance being similar as I used the 95 exclusively via the rca&balanced outs (same brand cables Audioquest columbia's) which should help with so called placebos:rolleyes: I'm very familiar with the sound of of the analog outs and thought I'd be the last hold out for sure as I did pronounce against some objection early on that the 95 was indeed a "Giant killer" well later the pro reviews came around and many audiophiles backed this claim up. My reputation means something to me and this time around I don't have to go out on a limb. speaking to the hold outs who own the 95 , the 105 has more resolution and a purer sound than the 95 deeper decay and does this while providing a more stable image and what I thought impossible better bass tight extended with more audible octaves being represented, Now the real point is at what percent is it better than the 95? is it enough to justify an upgrade? percents 15-20 as an upgrade its a no brainier for what it brings to the table. If you need further convincing ,I'D suggest using the 30 days run it through your pre and for the icing on the cake run it direct to the amp (staggering and jumps to a 30% though I still use a pre for those special days guess what i'll be doing!) you'll find that last little thing that could have been just a little better in the 95 is in the 105:)

And no fan! That's also a big audio win, if you have a quiet listening room. I measured the noise level with and without the 95 turned on (with fan running), and the fan actually raised the noise floor.