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post #3301 of 10113
Here is the email reply from oppo. I recieved this reply back in about a day and during weekend, which is very respectable. I am gonna follow what they advised and see if it works?



1. In our experience issues related to the remote control not responding well are due to variances in the environment which can cause interference. We often find that changing the Remote Control Code can resolve these errors.

Please remove the battery compartment from the back of the remote control and change the dipswitch from I to II or III. Close the battery compartment.

Press the OPEN button on the front panel of the player. Aim the remote at the front panel of the player and press and hold the ENTER button on the remote control for 5 seconds. The message CODE 2 or CODE 3 should appear.

Does one of the new Remote Control Codes work with the player?

2. Ensure that you have upgraded the firmware of the player to the latest firmware release: https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/BDP103-firmware-38-1220.aspx

If the firmware is out of date, then the audio and video synchronization errors will be incredibly bad. We will be releasing a new firmware in the following weeks which will further refine and fix audio and video synchronization errors.

3. Try using an alternative DLNA server such as oShare (http://sourceforge.net/projects/oshare/) and see if the same errors occur. It is highly likely that the issues are related to the DLNA server and not the player's performance.

Future Support:
1. This is something that has been requested, but at this time we do not know if we will make a firmware which will allow the inputs to be adjusted when the player is powered off or resumed when the player is turned back on.

2. This will likely not be supported as this has to be engineered into the player's hardware, not the software. The decoder, which passes the HDMI information, is completely off when there is no power going into the player. So HDMI passthrough is not possible when the player is off.

3. We hope to add this to a future Media controller for Android and iOS devices.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

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Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:22 AM
To: OPPO Service
Subject: Message From Kris

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Note: Hello, i have few issues with my BDP-105 and need help. I have your latest firmware installed.
1. Player gets sluggish to remote control commands. Hardware and software remote commands, have to recycle the power, but have to leave it off for at-least 10 minutes before it starts working again. Seems like heating up? I have put the player away from the rest of the av equipments and it seems like it does better but i am not sure.
2. Very bad lip synch issue for cable signal. I have tried connecting directly to the projector and through the denon 4520ci. Video files from hard disks not often but it does it once or few times in a movie but is able to self correct. In cable signal i have to skip the channel back and forth to correct it. Also cable lip-synch issue is variable timing. So i cant correct it.
3, when browsing network video or audio files, player browses fine up to 4-5 screen lengths of files just fine but when try to reach over 60-70 files, it rests the browsing process and goes back to the root folders. I am using plex server because thats the only one successfully can be used. I tried other methods of browsing files through oppo to my network unsuccessfully. I am using windows 8 on an i7 machine with 10gb rams. Wndr3700 netgear router and i have tried using oppo wirelessly and wired, same results.. I have grace note option shut off In oppo.

I would also like to know if the following features are on your table for the near future firmware updates?
1. Having the custom option to select input port? When player is powered on/off?
2. Hdmi pass through when player is off? Seems like player does have the ability to pass through when powered.
3. To show media info in the tablet app without using the tv screen?

And at the end, i do wanna congratulate you for creating such a great product. That is the reason that i wanna go trough this to fix up the quirks and i believe that you guys are fully capable of doing this. Any new product on the market is very seldom perfect.
Sound alone is worth keeping this player. Most of the issues are video and network related.
Regards.
Kris
post #3302 of 10113
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

1.   Mine has perfect A/V sync on the few programs i've played with. I'm still using the December 2012 beta FW.

2.   Nope.

3.   Nope, and this is the one that frustrates me the most. Lockups are rather common...

+1 on lockups. fairly common for me where I cannot get out of what I am doing to something else or the Home screen without powering off....
post #3303 of 10113
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Originally Posted by FlatRocky View Post

We often find that changing the Remote Control Code can resolve these errors.

One gotcha: the predominant region-free kit requires that the remote be set to code 1 (the default).
post #3304 of 10113
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

That is really strange - I get picture from HDMI1&2, but no audio from HDMI1 when connected like that. I wonder if it is because I am using the HDMI2 input for audio as well rather than analog in that I get video (at least menus) - I'll check it...nope - definitely video on both and audio over HDMI2 only. I have turned off all the CEC / HDMI control stuff - could never make sense of what it was doing or trying to do.

I don't get any handshake issues though - playback is fine - I only get dropouts when I turn off the TV, and those are only momentary. I also noticed that on my Zone 3 output that goes to my deck outside, there are no dropouts. That zone doesn't support HDMI video and only supports analog audio in, so the dropouts seem to originate from the Marantz HDMI enabled Zones (Main and Zone 2) rather than the Oppo, as it continues to happily send audio to Zone 3 with no dropouts at all.

That's not to say the Oppo doesn't notice when I turn the TV On and Off - if I have it set to Pure and toggle the TV power, it cancels Pure mode - don't know if that is a feature or a quirk. Maybe it thinks that if I'm turning on the TV, I also want to see the menus and screen saver - and that is usually true for me, so I don't mind it.

So, how's that 8801? (sorry - OT) - I can't believe it is roughly 2x $$$ of the 7701 for only two more pre-amp channels (and better Audyssey), so there must be a lot of nice parts in there - maybe next year the prices will come down and I look to upgrade.

Sorry for not following up on this sooner. Steve, you are absolutely right. I have the HDMI1 connected to the Blu-ray input on the Marantz 8801 to use for movies with Audyssey engaged (i.e. Audio also comes from HDMI). I have HDMI2 connected to the DVD input of the 8801, but I use the 7.1 analog input for audio so I can listen to DVD-A's and SACD's in Pure Direct mode (and take full advantage of the DAC's in the 105). Dual HDMI mode is the ONLY way this setup will work Split HDMI mode gives me no audio on HDMI1. Bob said this is because both HDMI inputs are active on the Marantz, and suggested there is a way to tell the Marantz to deactivate the unused HDMI input so I get both Audio and Video in Split mode. But I absolutely cannot find a way to make that happen.

So I'll have to use Dual mode, which, if I understand correctly, will result in slightly inferior video?
post #3305 of 10113
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Originally Posted by leefarber View Post

Sorry for not following up on this sooner. Steve, you are absolutely right. I have the HDMI1 connected to the Blu-ray input on the Marantz 8801 to use for movies with Audyssey engaged (i.e. Audio also comes from HDMI). I have HDMI2 connected to the DVD input of the 8801, but I use the 7.1 analog input for audio so I can listen to DVD-A's and SACD's in Pure Direct mode (and take full advantage of the DAC's in the 105). Dual HDMI mode is the ONLY way this setup will work Split HDMI mode gives me no audio on HDMI1. Bob said this is because both HDMI inputs are active on the Marantz, and suggested there is a way to tell the Marantz to deactivate the unused HDMI input so I get both Audio and Video in Split mode. But I absolutely cannot find a way to make that happen.

So I'll have to use Dual mode, which, if I understand correctly, will result in slightly inferior video?

I have the same setup.
If you have a programmable remote, send code that change the Audio input for a single HDMI connection.
I am doing this right now with no problems.

To get the XLR to work on a single input you have to set the ANALOG for the Blu-Ray player to XLR.

I have attached the remote code Excel file.

Marantz_AV_SR_NR_IR_CODE_V05.xls 1897k .xls file

You need these codes:

INPUT MODE:AUTO 16 01 15
INPUT MODE:HDMI 16 01 16
INPUT MODE:DIGITAL 16 01 17
INPUT MODE:ANALOG 16 01 18 (XLR when setup for Blu-ray)

This eliminates the need for two HDMI connections and the problem.

- Rich
post #3306 of 10113
Thanks, Rich. Unfortunately, I don't have a programmable remote. It seems like a bit too much of a headache, and I really don't mind going from one remote to the next. What I do mind is having to go in to the setup mode each time depending on whether I'm putting on a Blu-ray (for which I would use the HDMI audio) or an SACD (using Analog audio).

Also, I don't use the XLRs in place of the RF/LF MCH Analog outs. I have the XLRs going in to the CD input of the Marantz and use them solely for listening to the Stereo signal coming in to the USB input from my Mac Mini (so I have the 105 set to MIXDOWN).
post #3307 of 10113
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Originally Posted by leefarber View Post

Thanks, Rich. Unfortunately, I don't have a programmable remote. It seems like a bit too much of a headache, and I really don't mind going from one remote to the next. What I do mind is having to go in to the setup mode each time depending on whether I'm putting on a Blu-ray (for which I would use the HDMI audio) or an SACD (using Analog audio).

Also, I don't use the XLRs in place of the RF/LF MCH Analog outs. I have the XLRs going in to the CD input of the Marantz and use them solely for listening to the Stereo signal coming in to the USB input from my Mac Mini (so I have the 105 set to MIXDOWN).

That's fair.
However, if you want to take the plunge, I recommend the new Harmony Touch.
It is very easy to setup. You can create an activity called Listen to BDP Music.
This could send the command to go 7.1.

Your Watch Movie, could send the Go HDMI.

If the codes are not present, you just open a ticket with Logitech Harmony remote and send the code in my list.
They turn it around very quickly.

If this is too much, find anyone under 30, and they can do it for you tongue.gif

- Rich
post #3308 of 10113
Hello, long time reader of this thread. Long time member of AVS. I have wanted an Oppohigh end unit for a long time. First it was the 83se, then the 95 and now the 105. Well I have finally taken the plunge, and bought the 105.smile.gif as my LG BH200 was getting old. I love the sound quality of this player. Right out of the box, it has the nicest sounding bass of any digital product I have owned. Nice and tight.The examples for sound quality used so often in here are so very correct. I am wondering about one thing though. I have noticed that the white level is washed out somewhat. Like for instance white sheets on a bed. Or a white T-shirt, my LG would let you see the texture of the sheets, or shirt. The Oppo is washed out and looks out of focus. I have tried pretty much every setting and it always looks the same.The contrast enhancer is off." I have adjusted the brightness and contrast with the Oppo in the chain. Likewise with the LG in the chain." Pretty much nothing changed. I thought the focus might be off on the projector so tried that. It is exactly like the whites are out of focus. Everything else is perfect. The image is amazing other than that. I have gone back and forth between the LG and Oppo. The LG definately has very detailed whites where the Oppo's is washed out. Could this be a problem with the player. Like a cap or resistor or another part out of spec in the video section or something? I already have it mounted in my rack. But wonder if I should give Oppo a call? I figured I would give you very knowledgeable AVS folks a try first. So if anyone has a clue of what might be going on here please let me know.Thank You for any and all help you can give me.
post #3309 of 10113
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

That's fair.
However, if you want to take the plunge, I recommend the new Harmony Touch.
It is very easy to setup. You can create an activity called Listen to BDP Music.
This could send the command to go 7.1.

Your Watch Movie, could send the Go HDMI.

If the codes are not present, you just open a ticket with Logitech Harmony remote and send the code in my list.
They turn it around very quickly.

If this is too much, find anyone under 30, and they can do it for you tongue.gif

- Rich

+ 1 on the harmony touch remote.

Jacob
post #3310 of 10113
Not to veer off topic, but Harmony Touch or Harmony 900?
post #3311 of 10113
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

I have noticed that the white level is washed out somewhat. Like for instance white sheets on a bed. Or a white T-shirt, my LG would let you see the texture of the sheets, or shirt. The Oppo is washed out and looks out of focus. I have tried pretty much every setting and it always looks the same.The contrast enhancer is off." I have adjusted the brightness and contrast with the Oppo in the chain. Likewise with the LG in the chain." Pretty much nothing changed. I thought the focus might be off on the projector so tried that. It is exactly like the whites are out of focus. Everything else is perfect. The image is amazing other than that. I have gone back and forth between the LG and Oppo. The LG definately has very detailed whites where the Oppo's is washed out. Could this be a problem with the player. Like a cap or resistor or another part out of spec in the video section or something?

That's unlikely.

Are you using a calibration disc?

Are you connected directly to the display or through a receiver?

1080p output resolution?

-Bill
post #3312 of 10113
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Originally Posted by leefarber View Post

Not to veer off topic, but Harmony Touch or Harmony 900?

I have a harmony one but were I buying a new remote that is easy to setup, the Touch would be my choice.

- Rich
post #3313 of 10113
Question on Oppo 105 set up with my system. I am upgrading my old B&K 507 AVR with a Pioneer Elite SC-68 and my 1st generation Denon Blu-ray 3800 with an Oppo 105. I have Martin-Logan Ascent speakers and a 5.1 surround system. Regarding audio connections, in talking to the home theater system designer whose firm will be installing my equipment (enclosed cabinet with movable racks, Universal Remote that needs reprogramming, and I am hopeless, so I cannot do this myself!), we will be running HDMI's of course for the DVD's and Blu-rays for the surround sound, analog stereo cables from the Oppo Stereo Audio Out outputs (the Pioneer does not have Balanced XLR inputs so we can't use those outputs) to the AVR for listening to CDs and SACDs and to take advantage of the particular capabilities of the Oppo for stereo music sound, and since I have some multichannel SACD's he said we would need to run multichannel audio cables to the AVR as well from the Analog Multichannel Audio Outs.

Being naive in all of this, I am confused. We are trying to run analog cables from the Oppo for stereo CD's and SACD's, and also analog for mutichannel SACD's. I am assuming that BOTH the Stereo Audio Outputs are analog as are the Multichannel Analog outputs (although I did not see this labelled as such in the manual, in the spec sheet it states that the Stereo Audio Outputs are analog as well). Do we need to use BOTH these Stereo Audio Outputs (for stereo SACD's) AND run analog cables from the mutichannel analog outputs for multichannel SACD's???? OR, do you just run your 5.1 analog cables from the multichannel analog outputs and the Oppo detects whether the source is stereo and sends it just to the front left and right speakers, and detects if the source is SACD multichannel and send it to the appropriate speakers. Or, in either case, do you actually have to select the proper outputs from a menu depending on whether you are playing Stereo or Multichannel SACD's (which I assume the programmer can set a macro on the Universal Remote 980 to take care of?).

Obviously there is some cost involved with the Audioquest cables, and we do have to ORDER some longer (12 foot) run cables, and we were going to go with more expensive Audioquest cables for the stereo outs, and slightly less expensive Audioquests for the multichannel analog outputs since I only have less than 10 Multichannel SACDs and the cost is significant for so many.

I know this must seem like a naive set up question, but I want to be sure we are setting this up to take full advantage of the Oppo's capabilities for music, and yet not duplicate or waste cables if this is not the recommended set up for situation described.
Thank you in advance for your assistance!!!
post #3314 of 10113
^^^^^^ you can configure the Stereo Outs as FL/FR of the 7.1 outputs (and not use the FL/FR multi-channel outs) - the stereo converters are better quality, so this gives you the best surround and stereo playback quality. And you are right; any stereo source will play to FL/FR from the 7.1 outputs as stereo. If you have the FL/FR set to Small in the Oppo, stereo sources also will get bass management and send audio below the cross-over to the sub. If you do not want bass-management for stereo sources, you have to set the fronts to large or use the stereo outputs independently from the multi-channel outputs (as your installer was planning to do).

And yes, all those Stereo RCA and XLR outputs as well as the RCA multi-channel outputs are analog.

The main reasons that I can think of to use the Stereo outs independent of the multi-channel outs is to have audio go to a Second Zone or to a dedicated Stereo System - others may add some other perspective. If I didn't need to support audio into a second and third zone, I would configure and use the Stereo Outs as FL/FR for the multi-channel playback as well as stereo playback.

If the setup is semi-permanent or difficult to reconfigure, read through the manual carefully a few times - there is a lot going on with this box.

This FAQ is also very helpful: http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq - even though is says 103, there's some good 105 info there - especially regarding SACD playback.
Edited by stevepow - 1/28/13 at 11:31pm
post #3315 of 10113
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Originally Posted by FMD View Post

+1 on lockups. fairly common for me where I cannot get out of what I am doing to something else or the Home screen without powering off....

Do you have any idea what is leading up to that? I find it happens after I have been playing 5.1 flac files from a USB drive - or anything from the network. But that may have nothing to do with it - it may happen as matter of course. I'd like to spend some time figuring out the reason so I can report it, but that might be a lot of work. I agree - very frustrating and sometimes it is so bad I have to pull the power to shut it down.
post #3316 of 10113
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Originally Posted by leefarber View Post

Not to veer off topic, but Harmony Touch or Harmony 900?

The 900 gives you RF capability so that you don't have to have direct line of sight to components (you locate an IR re-transmitter inside your equipment cabinet - and for some devices it doesn't work so well). Otherwise, I like our older Harmony One better - it just works more smoothly and has better programming features like sequences of commands associated with an action. Maybe the Touch is really the upgraded "One" that we hoped rolleyes.gif the 900 was going to be.
post #3317 of 10113
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

Hello, long time reader of this thread. Long time member of AVS. I have wanted an Oppohigh end unit for a long time. First it was the 83se, then the 95 and now the 105. Well I have finally taken the plunge, and bought the 105.smile.gif as my LG BH200 was getting old. I love the sound quality of this player. Right out of the box, it has the nicest sounding bass of any digital product I have owned. Nice and tight.The examples for sound quality used so often in here are so very correct. I am wondering about one thing though. I have noticed that the white level is washed out somewhat. Like for instance white sheets on a bed. Or a white T-shirt, my LG would let you see the texture of the sheets, or shirt. The Oppo is washed out and looks out of focus. I have tried pretty much every setting and it always looks the same.The contrast enhancer is off." I have adjusted the brightness and contrast with the Oppo in the chain. Likewise with the LG in the chain." Pretty much nothing changed. I thought the focus might be off on the projector so tried that. It is exactly like the whites are out of focus. Everything else is perfect. The image is amazing other than that. I have gone back and forth between the LG and Oppo. The LG definately has very detailed whites where the Oppo's is washed out. Could this be a problem with the player. Like a cap or resistor or another part out of spec in the video section or something? I already have it mounted in my rack. But wonder if I should give Oppo a call? I figured I would give you very knowledgeable AVS folks a try first. So if anyone has a clue of what might be going on here please let me know.Thank You for any and all help you can give me.

No, this is just a setup error. Try this:

In the OPPO set all the Video Setup > Picture Adjustment > HDMI 1 controls to their default (0) values. Leave them that way and make any level adjustments using the controls in your display.

In the OPPO set HDMI 1 Color Space to YCbCr 4:4:4 for the HDMI 1 output you are using for video. Double check that you haven't accidentally plugged into the HDMI 2 output on the back of the OPPO instead of HDMI 1.

Now check how your whites look. If it still looks like you are losing white details, then lower the Contrast control for that input on your display (NOT in the OPPO). The Contrast control adjusts white levels (Brightness control adjusts black levels).

At this point it would be wise to spend some time with a video calibration disc such as Spears & Munsil, Blu-ray, or the Disney WOW World of Wonder, Blu-ray, as these will let you see exactly what's happening as you make the adjustments in your display.

Please note that the settings in your display are likely remembered on a Per-Input basis, meaning if you are using a different display input for the two players, then you may not have copied all the settings over correctly to the input used for video from the OPPO. The usual culprit will be an incorrectly chosen "Picture Mode" setting in the display.

There's a whole forum here dedicated to display calibration if you need to learn about this stuff.

The two most likely reasons you've run into this problem are both setup issues:

1) You haven't duplicated the settings that worked for the other player in the display's settings for the input getting video from the OPPO -- most likely Picture Mode

2) You are using RGB video data format and you have a mismatch in the choice of whether RGB Video Level (the one you want) or RGB PC Level is in use. This is a MANUAL choice that needs to be made at BOTH ends of the cable so that both the OPPO and the display are set to use the same flavor of RGB Video.
--Bob
post #3318 of 10113
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Originally Posted by rmgrenley View Post

Question on Oppo 105 set up with my system. I am upgrading my old B&K 507 AVR with a Pioneer Elite SC-68 and my 1st generation Denon Blu-ray 3800 with an Oppo 105. I have Martin-Logan Ascent speakers and a 5.1 surround system. Regarding audio connections, in talking to the home theater system designer whose firm will be installing my equipment (enclosed cabinet with movable racks, Universal Remote that needs reprogramming, and I am hopeless, so I cannot do this myself!), we will be running HDMI's of course for the DVD's and Blu-rays for the surround sound, analog stereo cables from the Oppo Stereo Audio Out outputs (the Pioneer does not have Balanced XLR inputs so we can't use those outputs) to the AVR for listening to CDs and SACDs and to take advantage of the particular capabilities of the Oppo for stereo music sound, and since I have some multichannel SACD's he said we would need to run multichannel audio cables to the AVR as well from the Analog Multichannel Audio Outs.

Being naive in all of this, I am confused. We are trying to run analog cables from the Oppo for stereo CD's and SACD's, and also analog for mutichannel SACD's. I am assuming that BOTH the Stereo Audio Outputs are analog as are the Multichannel Analog outputs (although I did not see this labelled as such in the manual, in the spec sheet it states that the Stereo Audio Outputs are analog as well). Do we need to use BOTH these Stereo Audio Outputs (for stereo SACD's) AND run analog cables from the mutichannel analog outputs for multichannel SACD's???? OR, do you just run your 5.1 analog cables from the multichannel analog outputs and the Oppo detects whether the source is stereo and sends it just to the front left and right speakers, and detects if the source is SACD multichannel and send it to the appropriate speakers. Or, in either case, do you actually have to select the proper outputs from a menu depending on whether you are playing Stereo or Multichannel SACD's (which I assume the programmer can set a macro on the Universal Remote 980 to take care of?).

Obviously there is some cost involved with the Audioquest cables, and we do have to ORDER some longer (12 foot) run cables, and we were going to go with more expensive Audioquest cables for the stereo outs, and slightly less expensive Audioquests for the multichannel analog outputs since I only have less than 10 Multichannel SACDs and the cost is significant for so many.

I know this must seem like a naive set up question, but I want to be sure we are setting this up to take full advantage of the Oppo's capabilities for music, and yet not duplicate or waste cables if this is not the recommended set up for situation described.
Thank you in advance for your assistance!!!

The Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs (both the XLR pair and the RCA pair) and the multi-channel Analog RCA outputs are all Analog audio. They are both live simultaneously when playing content in the OPPO (as are the digital audio outputs). You make your choice of which to listen to in the AVR, just as you would select the HDMI digital input for audio if you wish to listen to that.

The main reason to wire BOTH the stereo pair and the multi-channel set is that you want them to be handled differently in your AVR. The AVR likely has a bunch of stereo input jack pairs and one set of multi-channel inputs. The AVR likely offers MORE PROCESSING CHOICES when one of the stereo pairs is selected as the current audio input.

If you play stereo content using the multi-channel Analog output set, then the Left Front and Right Front channels will have audio -- and possibly also the Subwoofer channel if you have set the OPPO to do bass management. Thus your AVR will hear stereo audio coming in on that multi-channel analog audio set, but it has no way of knowing the silence in the Center and Surround channels isn't "real". I.e., it has no way of knowing you are really playing stereo content, instead of multi-channel content that happens to have audio in only 2 speakers at the moment. And so the AVR can't automatically treat that input as if it was the equivalent of one of its stereo input jack pairs. And thus the possible difference in what processing is available.

For example, the AVR may offer the ability to process stereo audio input with a Surround Sound algorithm (like PLIIx), thus producing audio to go to the Center and Surround speakers.

And the AVR may offer "Room Correction" (like Audyssey brand processing) on the stereo inputs but not on the multi-channel input.

If you do NOT need to have the AVR do anything different when you select for stereo input then you need only wire the multi-channel Analog set.

HOWEVER, in that case there's an extra feature. You can set the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs to operate IN LIEU OF the normal Left Front / Right Front output jacks of the multi-channel set. When set that way you wire L/R from the stereo set and Center, the Surrounds, and the Sub from the multi-channel set into the multi-channel input of your AVR. Thus you get the full advantage of the dedicated stereo pair for the front speakers -- even when playing multi-channel content.

Another possible reason to wire the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs separately from the multi-channel set is if you want to use them for a different purpose. For example you might use them to drive a specialized headphone amp, or a dedicated stereo amp in another room with stereo speakers (Zone 2 style listening).
--Bob
post #3319 of 10113
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs (both the XLR pair and the RCA pair) and the multi-channel Analog RCA outputs are all Analog audio. They are both live simultaneously when playing content in the OPPO (as are the digital audio outputs). You make your choice of which to listen to in the AVR, just as you would select the HDMI digital input for audio if you wish to listen to that.

The main reason to wire BOTH the stereo pair and the multi-channel set is that you want them to be handled differently in your AVR. The AVR likely has a bunch of stereo input jack pairs and one set of multi-channel inputs. The AVR likely offers MORE PROCESSING CHOICES when one of the stereo pairs is selected as the current audio input.

If you play stereo content using the multi-channel Analog output set, then the Left Front and Right Front channels will have audio -- and possibly also the Subwoofer channel if you have set the OPPO to do bass management. Thus your AVR will hear stereo audio coming in on that multi-channel analog audio set, but it has no way of knowing the silence in the Center and Surround channels isn't "real". I.e., it has no way of knowing you are really playing stereo content, instead of multi-channel content that happens to have audio in only 2 speakers at the moment. And so the AVR can't automatically treat that input as if it was the equivalent of one of its stereo input jack pairs. And thus the possible difference in what processing is available.

For example, the AVR may offer the ability to process stereo audio input with a Surround Sound algorithm (like PLIIx), thus producing audio to go to the Center and Surround speakers.

And the AVR may offer "Room Correction" (like Audyssey brand processing) on the stereo inputs but not on the multi-channel input.

If you do NOT need to have the AVR do anything different when you select for stereo input then you need only wire the multi-channel Analog set.

HOWEVER, in that case there's an extra feature. You can set the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs to operate IN LIEU OF the normal Left Front / Right Front output jacks of the multi-channel set. When set that way you wire L/R from the stereo set and Center, the Surrounds, and the Sub from the multi-channel set into the multi-channel input of your AVR. Thus you get the full advantage of the dedicated stereo pair for the front speakers -- even when playing multi-channel content.

Another possible reason to wire the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs separately from the multi-channel set is if you want to use them for a different purpose. For example you might use them to drive a specialized headphone amp, or a dedicated stereo amp in another room with stereo speakers (Zone 2 style listening).
--Bob

Thank you all for your advice. And, of course, questions continue to arise....

1. Is there any quality difference between the Stereo Audio Outs used for stereo and the FL/FR of the Multichannel outs used for stereo?

2. Does the Oppo detect the difference between Stereo SACD's and Multichannel SACD's and select the outputs OR do you have to note whether a SACD is stereo or multichannel and choose the appropriate outputs? What about in each configuration...would it select it if using the Multichannel FL/FR for Stereo and Mutichannel outs of course for multichannel, BUT if you use the Stereo Audio Outs for stereo and the Multichannel Outs for multichannel then YOU would have to select which outs to listen to knowing which type of SACD you are listening to? (Is that clear? Whew!)

3. The Pioneer of course has Audyssey room correction and I have to check into whether this is offered for BOTH the stereo in's and the multichannel in's.

4. Also have to think about whether it is better to have my subwoofer used with my stereo CD/SACD listening (in which case I assume I need to use the FL/FR outs for Stereo listening rather than the Stereo Audio Outputs)??
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Originally Posted by rmgrenley View Post

1. Is there any quality difference between the Stereo Audio Outs used for stereo and the FL/FR of the Multichannel outs used for stereo?
The stereo outputs have a better analog stage - they use the same DAC, but the rest of the board is at least a bit better than the multi-channel board.
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2. Does the Oppo detect the difference between Stereo SACD's and Multichannel SACD's and select the outputs OR do you have to note whether a SACD is stereo or multichannel and choose the appropriate outputs? What about in each configuration...would it select it if using the Multichannel FL/FR for Stereo and Mutichannel outs of course for multichannel, BUT if you use the Stereo Audio Outs for stereo and the Multichannel Outs for multichannel then YOU would have to select which outs to listen to knowing which type of SACD you are listening to? (Is that clear? Whew!)
Unless you care about doing stuff that requires converting the Oppo analog outputs back to digital (such as using MCACC in conjunction with analog outputs, or enabling surround modes), my suggestion is to configure the dedicated stereo outputs as FL / FR on the Oppo and use those along with the rest of the multichannel outputs. For 2 channel content, you'll be using the best analog outputs on the Oppo and for everything else you won't have to worry about switching to a different input on your receiver.
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3. The Pioneer of course has Audyssey room correction and I have to check into whether this is offered for BOTH the stereo in's and the multichannel in's.
The Pioneer has MCACC, not Audyssey - it's the same basic concept, but might cause some confusion if you start saying your receiver has Audyssey.
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4. Also have to think about whether it is better to have my subwoofer used with my stereo CD/SACD listening (in which case I assume I need to use the FL/FR outs for Stereo listening rather than the Stereo Audio Outputs)??
I would think you would want to use the subwoofer, in which case that's an even stronger argument to use what I suggested in my answer to question 2.

That all said, IMHO I think you would be better off going with a BDP-103 and forgetting about the analog outputs altogether as you are very likely to find that you prefer the sound with MCACC than without. And it doesn't make sense to use MCACC with analog outputs when the player also has HDMI as you'd be forcing extra analog to digital and digital to analog conversions into the mix. I get the impression that a lot of people are using the analog outputs simply because they're there or that using them is "cool" and not really thinking things through fully - they aren't the best choice in all cases.
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That all said, IMHO I think you would be better off going with a BDP-103 and forgetting about the analog outputs altogether as you are very likely to find that you prefer the sound with MCACC than without. And it doesn't make sense to use MCACC with analog outputs when the player also has HDMI as you'd be forcing extra analog to digital and digital to analog conversions into the mix. I get the impression that a lot of people are using the analog outputs simply because they're there or that using them is "cool" and not really thinking things through fully - they aren't the best choice in all cases.

Agree with everything you said except "very likely to find that you prefer the sound with MCACC than without". Many people have posted here that after removing the AVR/Audessey from the signal path, they preferred the sound. No reason to expect it to be different with MCACC. Processing adds, well, processing. Depending on the listening environment, processing can make things worse.
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Do you have any idea what is leading up to that? I find it happens after I have been playing 5.1 flac files from a USB drive - or anything from the network. But that may have nothing to do with it - it may happen as matter of course. I'd like to spend some time figuring out the reason so I can report it, but that might be a lot of work. I agree - very frustrating and sometimes it is so bad I have to pull the power to shut it down.


Have seen this in a wide range of situations. Lately if I'm streaming flac's via DLNA. Like you I haven't had the time to isolate for reporting although at first I thought it was the remote (they sent a new one). For now I just power down/up. At some point I'll get to this......
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I probably posted this on the wrong Oppo 105 forum. I am still on hold but the reviews all seem favorable. The one thing that I am curious most about is Rhapsody streaming since I already have Rhapsody. I mainly use it with my android phone and my Bose headphones when I am at the gym. According to Rhapsody they do high resolution streaming. Has anyone tried streaming Rhapsody to the 105 and how is the sound quality? I pay a monthly fee for Rhapsody and was wondering are there any other similar services out there?

I dont have any real insight for you but I don't know why it wouldn't work just like everyone else. I didn't read any of them but a quick search on this thread for Rhapsody came back with 14 hits.
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It shouldn't be a problem as long as the power amp has a switch to select between RCA & XLR, correct?

This is what a lot of people do.
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So if it "depends", that means i can't trust that the switch at the back of the amp will faithfully select between balanced & unbalanced inputs? Wouldn't that totally defeat the purpose of that switch???

No, it means you should read your manual or find out how the switches work. The manual for my power amp says it's fine to use all connections and it says that it is ok to hot switch them - which I do quite a bit on mine.
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Not to veer off topic, but Harmony Touch or Harmony 900?

the 900 just an upgrade if you need RF (for components in a cabinet etc) otherwise there's no point in paying for it. The Touch is neat and is the one that got my interest but after looking into I would recommend it. It looks very cool but it simply doesn't have enough dedicated buttons and with no 'real' buttons, you can't just hit the button you want of feel. I'd recommend the ONE, which was replaced by the Touch but I think the ONE is still the most popular model. And I still wish it had at least one more button on it. Though it's gone up in price over $100 since I bought mine last month - maybe related to logitech selling off the line? For years I couldn't justify the expense of such a fancy remote and I only have one audio component (the 105) but I have to say I like it a lot.
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This is what a lot of people do.
No, it means you should read your manual or find out how the switches work. The manual for my power amp says it's fine to use all connections and it says that it is ok to hot switch them - which I do quite a bit on mine.
Absolutely!!!

My Parasound A-31 has Balanced/Unbalanced switches for each individual channel and the manual states;

"The Balanced/Unbalanced switches are NOT input selectors.Their function is to optimize the s/n ratio for each type of input.You should NOT connect both the Balanced and Unbalanced jacks at the same time with the expectation of switching between two different signals."

Bottom line........read the manual!
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I am having difficulty playing some (but not all) downloaded 24-96, 5.1 FLAC music on my Oppo BDP-105. This problem applies to both streaming via ethernet and playing from an external hard drive connected by USB. The music cuts out for a second or two, and then starts up. This is an intermittent problem. As if a buffering issue. Also applies to 24-96, 2.0 music converted to 5.1. In order to resolve the problem I have converted all affected music to 24-48, 5.1 and it plays properly in this format. I have communicated this issue to Oppo. I am an experienced streamer and confident of my setup. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Anyone have any suggestions as to how I should proceed?
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Hello all,

Seeking some advice about whether purchasing the 105 is a good choice for me. I currently own a BDP-83 and love it.

I'm a bit of a self-admitted hardware hoarder. My 40th birthday is coming up and my wife asked me what I wanted, so I mentioned the BDP-105. Right now, my children are very young and their bedroom is directly below my home theater, so I don't get to use it very often.

The purchase of the 105 would be for future use. But then I think, will Oppo come out with another flagship player in a couple years? However, it *seems* like the 105 hits a bit of a plateau in terms of features and functionality. I mean, other than 4K stuff coming down the road, is the 105 really the best there ever will be for a blu-ray player?

If I got the 105, I would use it lightly, but save it more for many years down the road when I'll still want to watch my blu-rays, listen to my SACDs, etc. I just don't know if spending $1200 will seem silly in a few years, especially if Oppo comes out with some crazy new thing that trumps (and includes) everything the 105 has to offer.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Chris
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

Agree with everything you said except "very likely to find that you prefer the sound with MCACC than without". Many people have posted here that after removing the AVR/Audessey from the signal path, they preferred the sound. No reason to expect it to be different with MCACC. Processing adds, well, processing. Depending on the listening environment, processing can make things worse.
I had a hunch some people would disagree with that smile.gif.

But many have also posted that they prefer the results of having room correction in the loop. Depending on the listening environment, processing can change things from sounding just ok to sounding great. And someone using a receiver for their amplification (and doesn't want to change that portion of their system, often for very practical reasons) obviously doesn't have the option of removing the AVR from their signal path. Processing isn't inherently bad - it depends on the quality of that processing and how it's applied.

The obvious analogy is video processing - would you remove all video processing from your system and display EVERYTHING, including 480i/p content, without it (which would result in a pretty small picture on 1080p displays for that 480i/p content)? wink.gif
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Originally Posted by fatherom View Post

Hello all,

Seeking some advice about whether purchasing the 105 is a good choice for me. I currently own a BDP-83 and love it.

I'm a bit of a self-admitted hardware hoarder. My 40th birthday is coming up and my wife asked me what I wanted, so I mentioned the BDP-105. Right now, my children are very young and their bedroom is directly below my home theater, so I don't get to use it very often.

The purchase of the 105 would be for future use. But then I think, will Oppo come out with another flagship player in a couple years? However, it *seems* like the 105 hits a bit of a plateau in terms of features and functionality. I mean, other than 4K stuff coming down the road, is the 105 really the best there ever will be for a blu-ray player?

If I got the 105, I would use it lightly, but save it more for many years down the road when I'll still want to watch my blu-rays, listen to my SACDs, etc. I just don't know if spending $1200 will seem silly in a few years, especially if Oppo comes out with some crazy new thing that trumps (and includes) everything the 105 has to offer.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Chris
Since I'm on a roll against the grain today biggrin.gif, and based on what I recall about your system from previous discussions, I'd suggest that buying the BDP-105 now hoping you might use the extra features in a few years probably isn't the best investment as it's pretty much a sure thing that Oppo will have a newer, better, model out by then (or you'll almost surely still be able to get a new 105 around the time the new player comes out if you decide the 105 meets your needs better). If you're looking for an upgrade to your BDP-83, the BDP-103 would give you a lot of new functionality that the BDP-83 doesn't have and the upgrade wouldn't cost you very much after selling off the BDP-83 (unless you'll be re-purposing it for another room).
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Originally Posted by arthurappleby View Post

I am having difficulty playing some (but not all) downloaded 24-96, 5.1 FLAC music on my Oppo BDP-105. This problem applies to both streaming via ethernet and playing from an external hard drive connected by USB. The music cuts out for a second or two, and then starts up. This is an intermittent problem. As if a buffering issue. Also applies to 24-96, 2.0 music converted to 5.1. In order to resolve the problem I have converted all affected music to 24-48, 5.1 and it plays properly in this format. I have communicated this issue to Oppo. I am an experienced streamer and confident of my setup. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Anyone have any suggestions as to how I should proceed?

There is some history of downloaded FLAC files causing playback issues. I'd suggest taking the original 24/96 files, decode to WAV then re-encode to FLAC and see if they play OK now. In some cases, tags have been the cause of playback issues and in other case it was encoding parameters. It's helpful if you send a sample of a problem file to Oppo.
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Separate question...has anyone confirmed that the 105 (or 103, for that matter) will play SACD-Rs? I'm pretty sure it won't play SACD content from an ISO file (say, on a hard drive), but I've backed up all my SACDs. If I burn one of those ISO files onto a DVD-R, will the 103/105 play it?
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