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post #3511 of 10167
Interesting. I'll look tonight. Also have the new Cambridge here with the same video section. I'll see if it looks the same.
post #3512 of 10167
When I use it as a D/A converter with an airport express as the source (via optical cable), the music skips - there is a brief silent pause every 1 to 8 seconds. I have tried two airport expresses and both show the same behavior. I've previously had the airport express hooked up via a dedicated D/A converter and it works fine.
post #3513 of 10167
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Originally Posted by avman09 View Post

I am afraid that is a subjective thing and not everyone will feel the same. For example, I don't, but I like the fact that it does not have a fan and overall more user friendly.

Fidelity is Fidelity, subjective or not and trust me its something I didn't want to admit, it simply is the better performer fan or not!
post #3514 of 10167
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Fidelity is Fidelity, subjective or not and trust me its something I didn't want to admit, it simply is the better performer fan or not!

I don't understand the subjective or not part but of course I trust you formed your opinion based on your experience. Just that others may do the same. I really could not detect any sound quality improvement. If I play a high quality recording media the sound is excellent and if I play something that didn't sound high 'fidelity' (by my standard), it sounded just as bad as my 95. It is definitely a better performer overall. I just wouldn't want someone to upgrade just for better sound quality as they may or may not get that..
post #3515 of 10167
Hello, when I listen to 2 channel using the 95's anlaog output, I used to be able to hook up the RCA video out to my Pro-111's input 1 to monitor and select the songs when streaming from my PC without turning on the prepro. With the 105 I am getting the message that says something like HDMI is active, use it to. blablabla....... but it obviously won't output anything when I am using the analog output. I have my RCA output from the 105 connected directly to the Pro-111's input 1 and the HDMI 1 to one of the AV7005's input. This is the case whether I have the AV7005 turned on or not, and I am not using the HDMI 2. Sorry if this had been asked and answered before, I have not read through most of the more recent pages but not all..yet.
post #3516 of 10167
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Originally Posted by avman09 View Post

Hello, when I listen to 2 channel using the 95's anlaog output, I used to be able to hook up the RCA video out to my Pro-111's input 1 to monitor and select the songs when streaming from my PC without turning on the prepro. With the 105 I am getting the message that says something like HDMI is active, use it to. blablabla....... but it obviously won't output anything when I am using the analog output. I have my RCA output from the 105 connected directly to the Pro-111's input 1 and the HDMI 1 to one of the AV7005's input. This is the case whether I have the AV7005 turned on or not, and I am not using the HDMI 2. Sorry if this had been asked and answered before, I have not read through most of the more recent pages but not all..yet.

On the -103/105 composite output is for "diagnostics only". You can use it to see the Setup Menu, nothing else.

This is part of the Analog Sunset enforced by recent industry licensing changes. They don't want any video going out except over HDMI.

-Bill
post #3517 of 10167
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

On the -103/105 composite output is for "diagnostics only". You can use it to see the Setup Menu, nothing else.

This is part of the Analog Sunset enforced by recent industry licensing changes. They don't want any video going out except over HDMI.

-Bill
Bill, I use this port ( diagnostic ) for my MSC-400 controller. I use a voltage sensor connected from the 400 to the diag. port. This connection tells the 400 of power status. smile.gif
post #3518 of 10167
I asked this question to our fellow members sometime ago and I was avoided like the plagues, it is not as important as the pressing issues that need to be addressed right away but important nonetheless. is it possible for a bluray player like the Oppo -105 or another unit in the near future to implement Audyssey MultEQ XT32 for those of us who do not use a seperate processor and use the oppo as a pre-amp? Is this cost prohibited or not allowed under their license?
post #3519 of 10167
Anything is possible. It probably can't be implemented in a current player though since it would require additional DSP chips. Whether it will ever happen is a different question. I would doubt it but you never know.
post #3520 of 10167
I have not had much of a chance to play with my new 105 but I will say it is as buggy as hell-it seems to struggle with the complexities of it's various functions.

I think part of this is finding the time to optimise the player to suit your needs some of the auto-play functions etc are irritating. The machine does seem however to lock up at times and the network function is a disaster off the bat.

I set up Plex, the Oppo sees it no issue but I gave up trying to stream any large libraries...I used a single folder with a Flac album in it and it can't cope with that-my wireless connection is strong but it simply can't cope the streaming drop outs make it unlistenable.

The good news is straight forward playback on stereo and music seems top notch but you can't help but feel frustrated in an era when technology often does complex things out the box that a much heralded player seems to be pretty flawed.

If I were a betting man I would say the player has been rushed out, I don't think enough testing has been done on it.

I have the latest firmware I hope the next update sorts out some of the more basic errors and allows the machine to flow better in terms of remote/machine interface.
post #3521 of 10167
Sorry to hear about your frustrations Ben. I've been using the player for a couple months now and haven't had a single lock up issue or interface issue. What type of FLAC files are you streaming? If they are high resolution (96/24 or 192/24) maybe it is a bandwidth issue? I've heard about this with streaming high resolution files in home before. I would definitely contact Oppo if you're having issues. I've been using it for VUDU, Netflix, BD playback, music playback and with the USB DAC and I haven't had so much as a hiccup yet.
post #3522 of 10167
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

I asked this question to our fellow members sometime ago and I was avoided like the plagues, it is not as important as the pressing issues that need to be addressed right away but important nonetheless. is it possible for a bluray player like the Oppo -105 or another unit in the near future to implement Audyssey MultEQ XT32 for those of us who do not use a seperate processor and use the oppo as a pre-amp? Is this cost prohibited or not allowed under their license?

 

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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Anything is possible. It probably can't be implemented in a current player though since it would require additional DSP chips. Whether it will ever happen is a different question. I would doubt it but you never know.

 

I would count on room correction software in the next version of the Oppo player. Lots of noise has been made about it for them to ignore it in their next player. I would hope they use other room correction software that is just as effective as ARC or Audessey, to reduce licensing and hence player costs.

Also, i would hope on more HDMI inputs, maybe 4 as a minimum...smile.gif 

 

... AND a better way to control the volume on the remote. The tiny-and-hard-to-find-or-feel-in-the-dark square volume buttons on the remote just don't cut it at all. A button, like the Page Up/Page Down button is more intuitive.

post #3523 of 10167
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

...I used a single folder with a Flac album in it and it can't cope with that-my wireless connection is strong but it simply can't cope the streaming drop outs make it unlistenable.

People often don't want to consider that their wireless system is at fault, but any such issues must be ruled out. Simple enough to run a temporary Ethernet line and see if the problems go away. Often just moving the player's wireless dongle is all that's needed. In any case, it's not really the player's fault if network issues exist, and they must be ruled out.
post #3524 of 10167
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Sorry to hear about your frustrations Ben. I've been using the player for a couple months now and haven't had a single lock up issue or interface issue. What type of FLAC files are you streaming? If they are high resolution (96/24 or 192/24) maybe it is a bandwidth issue? I've heard about this with streaming high resolution files in home before. I would definitely contact Oppo if you're having issues. I've been using it for VUDU, Netflix, BD playback, music playback and with the USB DAC and I haven't had so much as a hiccup yet.

Yes I downloaded the new David Sylvian instrumental album just to try to try out a higher resolution. I have contacted Oppo tonight with just some general gripes. I suspect it is a bandwith issue.
post #3525 of 10167
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

People often don't want to consider that their wireless system is at fault, but any such issues must be ruled out. Simple enough to run a temporary Ethernet line and see if the problems go away. Often just moving the player's wireless dongle is all that's needed. In any case, it's not really the player's fault if network issues exist, and they must be ruled out.

I have an ethernet connection too but I am not set up to stream via that-I have an ethernet connection from my Hub and Netflix is awful off of that-BT Vision runs off the same set up and is largely flawless with better picture quality.

I have moved the dongle and now I am better getting better performance but still erratic behaviour.

I have little doubt I have a bandwith issue or I am asking too much of the Oppo but what is a fatal flaw is how the Oppo is handling that -it is all over the place and inconsistent, surely it is not too much to expect at least a fault to come up that would help diagnose the problem?

This is not really a key factor for me to be honest in what I want from the player BUT it is performing badly in this aspect and a bit better interface/feedback system would at least minimise the effect of frustration.
post #3526 of 10167
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

I have not had much of a chance to play with my new 105 but I will say it is as buggy as hell-it seems to struggle with the complexities of it's various functions.

I think part of this is finding the time to optimise the player to suit your needs some of the auto-play functions etc are irritating. The machine does seem however to lock up at times and the network function is a disaster off the bat.

I set up Plex, the Oppo sees it no issue but I gave up trying to stream any large libraries...I used a single folder with a Flac album in it and it can't cope with that-my wireless connection is strong but it simply can't cope the streaming drop outs make it unlistenable.

The good news is straight forward playback on stereo and music seems top notch but you can't help but feel frustrated in an era when technology often does complex things out the box that a much heralded player seems to be pretty flawed.

If I were a betting man I would say the player has been rushed out, I don't think enough testing has been done on it.

I have the latest firmware I hope the next update sorts out some of the more basic errors and allows the machine to flow better in terms of remote/machine interface.

I agree with the glitchiness, but the geek in me loves the tricks and SQ enough to put up with it.

As for wireless, hi-res flac files - even 5.1 - they don't take a lot of bandwidth. Several pages back I posted what is needed - something along the lines of 14Mbps which even 802.11g should handle - wireless N should have no problem. I initially had issue with this and found a config issue in my router with QOS. Once I fixed that - any audio file I stream plays perfectly. That said, the UI for it sux and the files are out of order - a cheap USB drive works much better for 5.1 flac and for Stereo, I think Sonos is the right answer - it just works.
Edited by stevepow - 2/8/13 at 4:13pm
post #3527 of 10167
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Originally Posted by leefarber View Post

I posted this in the Marantz 8801 thread, so apologies for the cross post, but it seems relevant here as well. Here is my scenario:

Right now, I have both HDMI outputs of the Oppo 105 connected to the 8801. HDMI 1 out of the 105 goes to the Blu-ray input which I use to watch movies (taking advantage of Audyssey). HDMI 2 goes to the DVD input, but with 7.1 Analog inputs selected for Audio, which I use to listen to DVD-A's and SACD's, taking advantage of the DACs in the Oppo.

This necessitates having the Oppo 105 in DUAL HDMI mode, which diminishes both picture and sound quality (albeit slightly), and is causing handshake issues.

Several members here have suggested just using one input on the 8801 (in other words, everything going in to the Blu-ray input), and getting a Harmony remote so I can program it to "Watch a movie", selecting the Blu-ray input with HDMI audio, and "Listen to BDP", telling it to select Blu-ray input, 7.1 Analog audio, and put it in Pure Direct mode.

I purchased a Harmony 900, and so far so good. The only problem is, I can't figure out how to tell it to change the Audio Input from HDMI to Analog. Member RichB sent me those codes, and suggested I send them to Logitech:

INPUT MODE:AUTO 16 01 15
INPUT MODE:HDMI 16 01 16
INPUT MODE:DIGITAL 16 01 17
INPUT MODE:ANALOG 16 01 18

I've done so this morning, and I'll keep everyone posted as to what they say. In the meantime, if anyone has another suggestion, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks!

Lee

Lee, give this a go - I use a 7701, but I think the processor logic is the same as the 8801:

Flip your HDMI cables such that you use HDMI2 for BluRay and HDMI1 for DVD (analog audio). That's how I have it setup and I have the Oppo set to Split A/V. I get no HDMI audio over HDMI1, but that's OK - I'm using analog for that.

The issue might be that you get lower quality video using HDMI2 for BluRay, but so far I have not noticed that - however, my current TV is an old 1080i/DVI (using HDMI adapter) Sony and rather small.

At any rate, it could be worth a try - I have no handshake issues with this config - that could be caused by something else entirely.
post #3528 of 10167
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

I agree with the glitchiness, but the geek in me loves the tricks and SQ enough to put up with it.

As for wireless, hi-res flac files - even 5.1 - they don't take a lot of bandwidth. Several pages back I posted what is needed - something along the lines of 14Mbps which even 802.11g should handle - wireless N should have no problem. I initially had issue with this and found a config issue in my router with QOS. Once I fixed that - any audio file I stream plays perfectly. That said, the UI for it sux and the files are out of order - a cheap USB drive works much better for 5.1 flac and for Stereo, I think Sonos is the right answer - it just works.

Thanks when I have time I will look back at your posts...I am almost certain I've read every post but there's no way I remember them all.....biggrin.gif
post #3529 of 10167
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Forget those here are some that are accessible and outstanding


-
Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon

- Pink Floyd: Wish You Were Here
- Dire Straits: Brothers in Arms

- "Avalon" Roxy Music

- "Singles Collection: The London Years" The Rolling Stones


any of these: http://www.linnrecords.com/artist-scottish-chamber-orchestra--sco-.aspx


or these outstanding blu rays from 2L 
https://shop.klicktrack.com/2l/dvd


http://www.elusivedisc.com/Top-40-SACDs/products/963/

DSOTM sounds amazing - always has to me.

I recently got Wish You Were Here - never played until I got the Oppo all set - every thing settled and calibrated for a few weeks. My buddies came over and we started with Rhapsody in Blue - Decca Tree 3 channels - amazing - incredible and from 1959/60! Then put on Wish You Were Here - we were all devastated - it sounded so beaten down and dead - I could imagine the old tapes just giving up. I don't know what happened to that recording, but it is the most disappointing SACD/DVDA I own - heartbreaking really.
post #3530 of 10167
Just to be 100% clear, which version of Wish You Were Here were you listening to? The SACD? Or was it one of the discs from the box set?
post #3531 of 10167
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

DSOTM sounds amazing - always has to me.

I recently got Wish You Were Here - never played until I got the Oppo all set - every thing settled and calibrated for a few weeks. My buddies came over and we started with Rhapsody in Blue - Decca Tree 3 channels - amazing - incredible and from 1959/60! Then put on Wish You Were Here - we were all devastated - it sounded so beaten down and dead - I could imagine the old tapes just giving up. I don't know what happened to that recording, but it is the most disappointing SACD/DVDA I own - heartbreaking really.

I paid serious money here in the UK for that latest WYWH SACD and I have to agree it sounds a bit flat.....
post #3532 of 10167
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I've been looking for indications that XBMC V12 ("Frodo") -- just released out of Beta -- supports control of playback of media files via the OPPO 103 or 105, but I'm not finding it.

While Frodo was in Beta, there were several teaser posts made in the 103/105 threads suggesting that new OPPO support was being added and that it was really nifty, but I've been unable to find confirmation of ANY of that.

Are there any XBMC experts posting here who can clarify this? Does XBMC perhaps function as a DLNA Digital Media Controller to push media files to the OPPO players? Is some sort of add-on needed?
--Bob


Bob

Signs of the DMC functionality have just started to appear in XBMC nightly builds. http://mirrors.xbmc.org/nightlies/

System > Settings > Services > UPnP - now shows 'Look for remote UPnP Players'

right click any media > Play using

'OPPO BDP-105' will now appear on the submenu

Obviously still very early since this wasn't there when I checked a few days ago and the media doesn't actually play on the target device.

But its good to see it there


Edit
Play using, works with my Onkyo TX-NR809, set as target (audio only obviously)
Edited by lesliew - 2/8/13 at 5:24pm
post #3533 of 10167
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

I paid serious money here in the UK for that latest WYWH SACD and I have to agree it sounds a bit flat.....
Sounds great through my system using the 95 as the transport. The first 5 or so minutes are spellbinding. It does need a healthy dose of volume to effectively bring out all those nuanced, delicate sounds though.

I'm using the WYWH dedicated SACD, not the Box set........if that makes any difference. Probably not.
post #3534 of 10167
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Sorry to hear about your frustrations Ben. I've been using the player for a couple months now and haven't had a single lock up issue or interface issue. What type of FLAC files are you streaming? If they are high resolution (96/24 or 192/24) maybe it is a bandwidth issue? I've heard about this with streaming high resolution files in home before. I would definitely contact Oppo if you're having issues. I've been using it for VUDU, Netflix, BD playback, music playback and with the USB DAC and I haven't had so much as a hiccup yet.

I agree with no issues with VUDU, shiny discs, and Netflix. Lockups in my experience are always caused by DLNA or any network streaming. DLNA is very buggy. SMB is stable but the files are not in alphabetical order.
post #3535 of 10167
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

I set up Plex, the Oppo sees it no issue but I gave up trying to stream any large libraries...I used a single folder with a Flac album in it and it can't cope with that-my wireless connection is strong but it simply can't cope the streaming drop outs make it unlistenable.

I have not had this problem with a wired connection using the 103/105 and files up to 24/192 stereo as well as a few 24/96 5.1.

post #3536 of 10167
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

DSOTM sounds amazing - always has to me.

I recently got Wish You Were Here - never played until I got the Oppo all set - every thing settled and calibrated for a few weeks. My buddies came over and we started with Rhapsody in Blue - Decca Tree 3 channels - amazing - incredible and from 1959/60! Then put on Wish You Were Here - we were all devastated - it sounded so beaten down and dead - I could imagine the old tapes just giving up. I don't know what happened to that recording, but it is the most disappointing SACD/DVDA I own - heartbreaking really.

Talking about golden oldies. Got the SACD of Time Out by the Dave Brubeck quartet. Been recorded way before my inception (summer of '59), as such I am astounded by the sound quality. Take Five is the pinnacle. Honestly this style is not really fitting my pallet. However, the sheer musicality won me over. It is one of my reference tunes to "show off" my set up. Since having the 105 I got me some more hi res, like So from Peter Gabriel. I did not particularly like it in its day (youth is spoiled on the young?) but I listen to it with a different ear now and must say I'm impressed with its sonics. Similar with the remastered versions of the Depeche Mode catalogue. Amazingly remastered into 5.1 on SACD. Another ref SACD is Bjork's Vespertine. Crazy tracks with crazy attention to detail.
As the 105 is a multi doer it makes it very easy to switch between formats and channels.
I have not experienced serious glitches as others seem to have. One lock up I recall, but my use is relatively straightforward. Spinner, movie streamer via USB, DAC via coax. I tried the push from pc using Foobar, thanks to the contributors here, but only for the "did it, done that.." experience. All wired, dongle is still in plastic. To me it is an overall hit, decomplexifying my setup and thus (re)enabling the consumption of my sw. Any excuse hey!
post #3537 of 10167
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

Sounds great through my system using the 95 as the transport. The first 5 or so minutes are spellbinding. It does need a healthy dose of volume to effectively bring out all those nuanced, delicate sounds though.

I'm using the WYWH dedicated SACD, not the Box set........if that makes any difference. Probably not.

No it's the new SACD I actually haven't really listened to the Discovery Box set version in any great detail yet....I always felt the best version of WYWH was the Mastersound Gold version which is OOP now.
I haven't played that via the 105 yet.WYWH is the disc I have most versions of by far.

I would agree totally on the volume issue your natural instinct on listening to it, is to turn up the volume-as you say you need that. to flush out the detail

Of course I may be now entering into that discussion about te merits of SACD and it's presentation...would I would say is that so far the HDCD discs I have spun sound superb on the 105.

This type of comparison needs a fair bit of time to examine.....not getting that at the moment.
post #3538 of 10167
I just gave the latest SACD a comparison there against the latest (2011) remaster and the Mastersound disc.

To my ears despite it's age the Mastersound disc is the best recording of WYWH on CD-it's just more alive, it sounds better mastered as if they got everything out of the source tapes, the 2011 version is not far off of it arguably just a little more veiled.

The SACD sounds very muted, flat even and a tad lifeless in comparison.....I don't know why that is. Maybe it's meant to be a more subtle approach.

In terms of volume it is very quiet...I put in the SACD version of The Lamb Lies Down by Genesis from the box set and the difference is incredible.....the Genesis disc is very loud arguably too loud but in terms of dynamics the Genesis disc is on another level all together....it sounds incredible. Easily the best SACD remaster I have heard.
post #3539 of 10167
I have had a look through this thread and I may have missed this but how do you swop between the CD and SACD layer on a hybrid disc?

I've checked the manual too can't see it.
post #3540 of 10167
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

I have had a look through this thread and I may have missed this but how do you swop between the CD and SACD layer on a hybrid disc?

I've checked the manual too can't see it.

Setup > Playback Setup > SACD Priority > CD Mode

You can switch between the SACD 5.1 and 2.0 layers on the fly by pressing the Audio button on the remote -- the current track will restart -- but there is no similar shortcut for going to the CD layer.

Also, I seem to recall that you may have to eject and restart the hybrid disc for CD Mode to take effect.
--Bob
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