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post #3541 of 5983
2/9/13 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Setup > Playback Setup > SACD Priority > CD Mode

You can switch between the SACD 5.1 and 2.0 layers on the fly by pressing the Audio button on the remote -- the current track will restart -- but there is no similar shortcut for going to the CD layer.

Also, I seem to recall that you may have to eject and restart the hybrid disc for CD Mode to take effect.
--Bob

Thanks for the very quick reply Bob.

I tried that and saw that when I went back to the main menu that he disc was still saying SACD-so I would imagine you are right the disc needs to be ejected and reset-and if you want to A/B a hybrid disc you are in for a treat of a journey through menus and ejecting discs, even the cheapest SONY SACD/DVD players you could do it via the remote.

The functionality of the Oppo so far to me has been a major major disappointment to me, it's a major shame because the performance when it gets to what it does is very very good.

Even straightforward CD listening via a normal redbook disc is on the slow side.
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post #3542 of 5983
2/9/13 at 9:19am
Hi folks,

I've noticed a behavior associated with my BDP-105 that I am having some difficulty explaining, and I was hoping that one of you guys could:

The specific components involved in this scenario is the BDP-105 (of course!), a Sony HT-CT150 Soundbar, and a Panasonic TC-P55GT50 plasma HDTV. The Oppo is connected directly to the soundbar via digital coaxial out. The Oppo is also connected to the Panasonic via HDMI. The Oppo audio configuration is currently set to send Bitstream formatted audio over both the digital coaxial out and HDMI. In addition, the Panasonic's optical digital out is also connected to one of the soundbar's optical inputs.

With the soundbar set to the coaxial input direct from the Oppo, I can play a video encoded with DD or DTS 5.1 audio and the soundbar correctly identifies the audio as DD or DTS 5.1 and handles it just fine. When I switch the soundbar to the optical input that is connected to the Panasonic (which is sending along audio from the HDMI connection to the Oppo), it correctly identifies the audio as 2 channel LPCM (the Panasonic does not pass multichannel DD or DTS from it's optical output ...everything is converted to 2 channel LPCM). Everything is functioning as I would expect in this case.

However, when I play a video that is encoded with 2 channel audio (AAC, 2ch, 48kHz sample rate for example) and the soundbar is set for the coaxial input direct from the Oppo, there is no sound. When I switch the soundbar to the optical input from the Panasonic (again passing audio data from the HDMI connection to the Oppo), and playing the very same 2ch video, I do indeed get sound.

It would appear that either 1) the soundbar can't handle the audio data that it is receiving and the Panasonic can, or 2) the Oppo is sending different audio data over the coaxial output vs. the HDMI output.

According to the chart on page 66 of the Oppo user manual (v 1.6), the HDMI out and coaxial/optical out should send along identical audio data with respect to LPCM 2ch, standard DD and standard DTS (noting that the HDMI out can can also pass multichannel LPCM, which isn't my concern or a factor at the moment) when configured for Bitstream, as both outputs currently are. The soundbar accepts 2ch LPCM audio up to a maximum 48kHz sample rate, so if that is what is getting it should work fine.

I'm likely missing something simple here, but I was hoping that someone might offer some logic to explain this. Thanks very much...
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post #3543 of 5983
2/9/13 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post


Even straightforward CD listening via a normal redbook disc is on the slow side.

Are you kidding??? This is absolutely the fastest loading multi-disc player I've ever owned! If you think the Oppo-105 is slow, try any of the other high-end multi-disc players such as Marantz, Denon, McIntosh, etc. The Oppo is light seeds ahead of the other high-end brands! For some reason, some cheapie units are pretty fast. I got my mom a Sony Blu-Ray player for under $100 that zooms along quickly.
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post #3544 of 5983
2/9/13 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

Lee, give this a go - I use a 7701, but I think the processor logic is the same as the 8801:

Flip your HDMI cables such that you use HDMI2 for BluRay and HDMI1 for DVD (analog audio). That's how I have it setup and I have the Oppo set to Split A/V. I get no HDMI audio over HDMI1, but that's OK - I'm using analog for that.

The issue might be that you get lower quality video using HDMI2 for BluRay, but so far I have not noticed that - however, my current TV is an old 1080i/DVI (using HDMI adapter) Sony and rather small.

At any rate, it could be worth a try - I have no handshake issues with this config - that could be caused by something else entirely.

Great idea, Steve! I'll give that a try. Thanks!
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post #3545 of 5983
2/9/13 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

Are you kidding??? This is absolutely the fastest loading multi-disc player I've ever owned! If you think the Oppo-105 is slow, try any of the other high-end multi-disc players such as Marantz, Denon, McIntosh, etc. The Oppo is light seeds ahead of the other high-end brands! For some reason, some cheapie units are pretty fast. I got my mom a Sony Blu-Ray player for under $100 that zooms along quickly.

Everything in life is relative I am moving from a CD player to the Oppo and in the early stages of adopting and it is a bit more cumbersome than I was expecting.
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post #3546 of 5983
2/9/13 at 12:12pm
Ben,
I think you might need to take into consideration the basic differences between your single-purpose Ayre and the Oppo.
The Oppo is a universal disc player plus a streaming device.
Quite a complicated piece of kit as they say in the UK smile.gif

There have always been teething issues with Oppo players, and other universal players as well.
Oppo is very quick to address these issues and compared to some other companies, they are lightning quick.

I default my player to SACD->2 channel and have noticed that a CD takes longer to spin up than a SACD.
I think it is due to defaulting to SACD.
I guess it would be nice to be able to quickly A\B the cd layer vs. sacd layer but speaking for myself, I've never felt that need and I'm guessing that the engineers as Oppo haven't either.

I think your dissatisfaction with the streaming is a bit unrealistic, specifically that the Oppo should display some sort of diagnostic code.
As others have said, it seems obvious that addressing your wi-fi config is the first thing to square away rather than blaming the Oppo or expecting it to troubleshoot your issue for you.
It well may be the Oppo but you'll not find out until you're sure the bandwidth is sufficient and steady.

I'm not trying to convince you that the 105 is the perfect player for you or anyone else.
It's just my opinion and experience that using a device like this takes some patience and effort to get the kinks worked out.
If that is not your style, then you might consider looking elsewhere for a solution that gives you more satisfaction for your money.
Edited by Milt99 - 2/9/13 at 12:19pm
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post #3547 of 5983
2/9/13 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by RouslanB View Post

It seems to me a lot of network related failures could be attributed to faulty networks (mostly WiFi). Solid metal construction and physical location of the cabinet plus other metal boxes around could increase WiFi packet loss and reduce bandwidth, potentially introduce glitches in many home networks. Is it really player's fault?
I hooked up wired Ethernet cable - no networking or streaming issues - Foobar UPnP, SMB - everything works flawlessly - just enyoing greate SQ

As I already explained it is how the Oppo handles the problem-some signal back like low bandwith etc would help-instead it acts very erratically. There is a disclaimer in the manual saying that Network issues are not supported via email etc .

Of course you have to take a reasonable viewpoint on things, networking and streaming can be problematic and in my case in my home the Oppo is going to require a fair bit of time to get it networking properly...

One of the problems on these forums and threads is you are presented with a strangely partisan point of view over products-not only is it largely personal it is unrealistic. This machine is not perfect indeed I would say swapping from a simple set up to a single player is something of a learning curve AND a case of tempering expectations.

In terms of Blu Ray function in a simple set up the Oppo seems miles better in terms of disc manipulation over my Sony, in terms of audio it is a wee bit problematic and I've mentioned my networking issues.
Like it or lump for me the player is more buggy than I think it should be, some of the interface/design functions are frustations and I would say over approx 6 hours usage I have had to power down the player around 8 times.

Of course over time I will stop messing about with what the player can do and settle down to a mode of interaction that avoids problems but it would be delusional for me to say it has been smooth and superb out of the box it hasn't.
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post #3548 of 5983
2/9/13 at 12:41pm
Fedex delivered the Oppo-BDP 105 today. Brought it in and let it warm up though it was rather mild here in NC today, a balmy 52F. The unit was packaged nicely (I always smile when I see the black Oppo bag...nice Rodeo Drive touch!)
Got it set up and running and I thought that it might be interesting to give immediate, 1st impressions right out of the box. I know this isn't failr, but I think that it is telling and somewhat legit.

First Impression: Totally superior to my Oppo BDP- 93, speed-wise and sonically.

Note: These observations are made with a 2M set of Emotiva X-series RCA interconnects. I don't have an extra set of XLR's on hand but will pick some up as soon as possible. also, my 1M Monster cable interconnects were too short.

I'm running through an analog pre-amp (Emotiva XSP-1) which is fully balance and connected to two 500W mono blocks (Emotiva XPA-1's) via 1M XLR. Speakers are Von Schweikert VR-33's. No surround, just two channel.

Boot up is extremely fast. I was up to the menu in the blink of an eye with my standard copy of Lord of the Rings. I would imagine BD's will be a bit slower but we're already way ahead of the game here. I was starting the movie in no time. The picture was very nice.

I thought I'd just go ahead and give some audio files a listen with just a 5 minute warm up.
I have been using my Oppo BDP-93 for the past few years. I'm in the process of storing the CD's in the collection on an external hard drive as full size .Wav's. The 93 sounds quite good but immediately I could hear significantly better sound from the 105...and this was running cold!
I put on a .Wav from a Darol Anger album. Acoustic guitar strings had so much more “low level” information associated with them. I could here, for a better term, “micro harmonics” emanating from the speakers. Sounded so much more real. Moving quickly on to Gary Willis' “Bent” album....Jazz fusion.
Bass drums were, tighter, punchier and detailed, as was bass guitar. Toms were wide open with lots of tone and ring. This thing just “breathes” in and out!
Moving onto some Hires classical.... so much more space around the instruments and each was well defined ...you were able to tease them out from the cacophony and focus on each individual one. There was more sonic information with room acoustics as well. Hires, solo piano revealed very subtle stage and hall reverberation (not heard as well with the 93). Piano can get a bit blurry/bloated on lesser systems...this one was so much more controlled and clear.
Listening to an orchestral piece in Hires from 2L.no, I could here the rosin buzzing on the solo violin strings and reverb out of the sound box of the instrument.
I'm tempted to use the colloquialism “totally unreal” but I really should say ”real, man, real!”
Norah Jones' voice had more information to it (again low level) as well....more breathy.

On the con side, this machine, at this point, has about 20 minutes on it. and was a bit hard on the top edge when I tried to push it. But let's be fair here.

This review is just first impression stuff....I was pressed for time to get the car to the mechanic before heading out to play a gig tonight...which is why I quickly grabbed the first DVD I could for video. Can't wait to hear more and see some BD's.

Sooooo, I'll let it burn in and go back and give it a more critical listen in a few days. But I'll say this now..... I'm very impressed with the sound right out of the box, with RCA interconnects to boot. I can only think that it will gradually get smoother as time goes by. I hope to add a little more to my amateur review down the road.

KP
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post #3549 of 5983
2/9/13 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by SlaB View Post

I've noticed a behavior associated with my BDP-105 that I am having some difficulty explaining, and I was hoping that one of you guys could:

The specific components involved in this scenario is the BDP-105 (of course!), a Sony HT-CT150 Soundbar, and a Panasonic TC-P55GT50 plasma HDTV. The Oppo is connected directly to the soundbar via digital coaxial out. The Oppo is also connected to the Panasonic via HDMI. The Oppo audio configuration is currently set to send Bitstream formatted audio over both the digital coaxial out and HDMI. In addition, the Panasonic's optical digital out is also connected to one of the soundbar's optical inputs.

With the soundbar set to the coaxial input direct from the Oppo, I can play a video encoded with DD or DTS 5.1 audio and the soundbar correctly identifies the audio as DD or DTS 5.1 and handles it just fine. When I switch the soundbar to the optical input that is connected to the Panasonic (which is sending along audio from the HDMI connection to the Oppo), it correctly identifies the audio as 2 channel LPCM (the Panasonic does not pass multichannel DD or DTS from it's optical output ...everything is converted to 2 channel LPCM). Everything is functioning as I would expect in this case.

However, when I play a video that is encoded with 2 channel audio (AAC, 2ch, 48kHz sample rate for example) and the soundbar is set for the coaxial input direct from the Oppo, there is no sound. When I switch the soundbar to the optical input from the Panasonic (again passing audio data from the HDMI connection to the Oppo), and playing the very same 2ch video, I do indeed get sound.

It would appear that either 1) the soundbar can't handle the audio data that it is receiving and the Panasonic can, or 2) the Oppo is sending different audio data over the coaxial output vs. the HDMI output.

According to the chart on page 66 of the Oppo user manual (v 1.6), the HDMI out and coaxial/optical out should send along identical audio data with respect to LPCM 2ch, standard DD and standard DTS (noting that the HDMI out can can also pass multichannel LPCM, which isn't my concern or a factor at the moment) when configured for Bitstream, as both outputs currently are. The soundbar accepts 2ch LPCM audio up to a maximum 48kHz sample rate, so if that is what is getting it should work fine.

I experienced a similar issue with my 105. There was no audio out while playing BD menus that were authored in DD 2.0. (An example is the new Die Hard collection menus.) Audio worked fine however after changing the Oppo's HDMI Audio setting from Bitstream to either LPCM or Auto. I've left the HDMI Audio setting in Auto and have not had further problems.
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post #3550 of 5983
2/9/13 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Ben,
I think you might need to take into consideration the basic differences between your single-purpose Ayre and the Oppo.
The Oppo is a universal disc player plus a streaming device.
Quite a complicated piece of kit as they say in the UK smile.gif

There have always been teething issues with Oppo players, and other universal players as well.
Oppo is very quick to address these issues and compared to some other companies, they are lightning quick.

I default my player to SACD->2 channel and have noticed that a CD takes longer to spin up than a SACD.
I think it is due to defaulting to SACD.
I guess it would be nice to be able to quickly A\B the cd layer vs. sacd layer but speaking for myself, I've never felt that need and I'm guessing that the engineers as Oppo haven't either.

I think your dissatisfaction with the streaming is a bit unrealistic, specifically that the Oppo should display some sort of diagnostic code.
As others have said, it seems obvious that addressing your wi-fi config is the first thing to square away rather than blaming the Oppo or expecting it to troubleshoot your issue for you.
It well may be the Oppo but you'll not find out until you're sure the bandwidth is sufficient and steady.

I'm not trying to convince you that the 105 is the perfect player for you or anyone else.
It's just my opinion and experience that using a device like this takes some patience and effort to get the kinks worked out.
If that is not your style, then you might consider looking elsewhere for a solution that gives you more satisfaction for your money.

I agree with a lot of that but as I say in the thread above my type of post may seem a wee bit at odds with some very partisan and universal acclaim posts-nothing is like that I'm sharing experiences.

I disagree about the Networking aspect...Oppo chose to include it knowing that it would bring problems-some better direction in the manual or on the website would help alleviate the frustration-the player is all over the place....it is locking up. I have dropped the networking until I have time to explore it properly. But it is not just that there are a number of features that are a wee bit glitchy.

And of course there may be other buyers a lot more keen to use networking than I am.

A/Bing the SACD/CD layer in a hybrid disc I would have thought is a common feature obviously once you know the disc you will opt one way but historically I've seen people prefer the CD layer on some discs to the SACD and vice versa.

There is a difference I have been listening to some Dylan hybrids and the presentation is noticeably different especially on the vocals...it would be nice to do that automatically however you can do it via the remote as I've worked out by opening the tray and shutting it again....at least you don't need to get up.biggrin.gif

To be honest I don't think for a grand you are going to do better than the Oppo if you are interested in audio reproduction as well as the universal aspect but for me I am not 100% sold yet I have had a fair bit of frustation with the player and relaxing and feeling at ease with your system is a big part of the enjoyment process.

Maybe I have been too quick to post I can accept that but hey it's only an opinion or two.
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post #3551 of 5983
2/9/13 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by BenGodzilla View Post

To be honest I don't think for a grand you are going to do better than the Oppo if you are interested in audio reproduction as well as the universal aspect but for me I am not 100% sold yet I have had a fair bit of frustation with the player and relaxing and feeling at ease with your system is a big part of the enjoyment process.

but hey it's only an opinion or two.

Totally agree biggrin.gif
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post #3552 of 5983
2/9/13 at 3:24pm
Picked up a G Drive from the Apple Store. Moved iTunes files over. Connected to existing Time Capsule which the 105 detected on Network and played back perfectly.
Then tried connecting same G drive to USB input of 105 and ......nada....

FAT32 only format only?
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post #3553 of 5983
2/9/13 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by birdboy01 View Post

Picked up a G Drive from the Apple Store. Moved iTunes files over. Connected to existing Time Capsule which the 105 detected on Network and played back perfectly.
Then tried connecting same G drive to USB input of 105 and ......nada....

FAT32 only format only?

Or NTFS.

-Bill
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post #3554 of 5983
2/9/13 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by henrich3 View Post

I experienced a similar issue with my 105. There was no audio out while playing BD menus that were authored in DD 2.0. (An example is the new Die Hard collection menus.) Audio worked fine however after changing the Oppo's HDMI Audio setting from Bitstream to either LPCM or Auto. I've left the HDMI Audio setting in Auto and have not had further problems.

Thanks for reply. I'm actually not concerned with the HDMI audio in this case, it seems to work fine. I am concerned with the digital coaxial output of the Oppo. I have a lot of videos that are encoded with DD or DTS 5.1, and the only way to send that audio to the soundbar in it's original multichannel format is to configure the Oppo's coaxial output for Bitstream format (there is a huge difference with the soundbar when playing back DD/DTS 5.1 sources vs. 2ch LPCM). But I also have many videos that are encoded with simple 2ch stereo 48kHz audio and as mentioned in my initial post, the soundbar doesn't like what the Oppo is sending along (even though the same 2ch stereo 48kHz videos play fine via the Oppo's HDMI connection to my Panasonic HDTV and out the Panasonic's optical output to the soundbar).

I'm curious if anyone else has experienced any problems with an audio source that does not work on the coaxial/optical out of the Oppo, but does on the HDMI out (assuming both are configured for Bitstream format)?

Thx...
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post #3555 of 5983
2/9/13 at 5:52pm
Wow! Just listened to 2L's Flute Mystery SACD/Blu-ray (listened to the Blu-ray, will eventually listen to the SACD). This is now one of the reference recordings I'll use to demo our system to visitors. If you like classical (or even if you don't much but want a really good recording), this pairs wonderfully with the 105.
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post #3556 of 5983
2/9/13 at 6:05pm
I just unboxed my BDP-105 today and it will not play CDs, DVDs or SACDs, only Blu-rays. I get the message "Unknown Disc" whenever I try to play those formats. Any ideas? I'm running the latest firmware (BDP10X-38-1220). Thanks!
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post #3557 of 5983
2/9/13 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by ASherrick View Post

I just unboxed my BDP-105 today and it will not play CDs, DVDs or SACDs, only Blu-rays. I get the message "Unknown Disc" whenever I try to play those formats. Any ideas? I'm running the latest firmware (BDP10X-38-1220). Thanks!

Contact OPPO. It likely needs service.

-Bill
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post #3558 of 5983
2/9/13 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

Just to be 100% clear, which version of Wish You Were Here were you listening to? The SACD? Or was it one of the discs from the box set?

SACD - I have some pretty nice ones and this one is not up to par - DSOTM and Avalon are defining - incredible sound, especially Avalon. And the Gershwin "Living Stereo" - live Boston Pops/Arthur Fielder from 1959/1960 is stunning.

Sometimes bad things happen to good music - it took Roger Nichols (RIP) several tries over many years with all the latest digital gadgets to get Katy Lied even close to what it should have been - trying to correct some tape snafu rolleyes.gif from the original sessions. I'll give WYWH another go - my friends made me stop it 10 minutes or so in, it was so bad. I did give it a quick check the next day - arghh! Maybe with some Audyssey or something, it will perk up. confused.gif
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post #3559 of 5983
2/9/13 at 6:48pm
OK, so - Bob - or Bill - or the others "in the know"...

What's the deal with DTS Neo? I like to use this sometimes for stereo playback and when I enable it on the Oppo, the volume drops off a cliff. On my Marantz 7701 pre - and any other pre I have used, it works fine and switching between stereo and DTS Neo doesn't normally require a massive volume correction.

I read where someone posted a few days ago that it doesn't work in 5.1 so I set my Downmix to 7.1 and there's no real difference - not even sure if I believe the "5.1 bug" comment - it just seems like it isn't working correctly in general and the surrounds seem maybe 3dB or more down from what they should be, beyond the fact that all the speakers are low to begin with. Is Oppo working on fixing this?

I know it is an odd contradiction that I'd want to have a more "pure" version of this maligning of the stereo signal than letting the Marantz do it, but I do - and it should work.

Thanks for any insight.


Steve.
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post #3560 of 5983
2/9/13 at 9:56pm
Im using my 105 over wired network
streaming dlna from synology (minim server) and controlling by bubbleupnp from android works fine
tried to hook up the 105 over to laptops connected by usb (installed the win 7 usb oppo driver)
but no audio (from the 2 laptops i have tried the windows media player and jriver player)
of course on the laptop i have choose'd usb driver
ive tried to figure maybe the oppo has something to configure over the internal options but found nothing
what am i doing wrong?
Mario
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post #3561 of 5983
2/9/13 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by LMario View Post

Im using my 105 over wired network
streaming dlna from synology (minim server) and controlling by bubbleupnp from android works fine
tried to hook up the 105 over to laptops connected by usb (installed the win 7 usb oppo driver)
but no audio (from the 2 laptops i have tried the windows media player and jriver player)
of course on the laptop i have choose'd usb driver
ive tried to figure maybe the oppo has something to configure over the internal options but found nothing
what am i doing wrong?
Mario

Did you go to control panel / sound and make sure the Oppo was there and is set as the default output?
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post #3562 of 5983
2/9/13 at 10:40pm
yes.the oppo was there and choosed it as sound card outpud
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post #3563 of 5983
2/9/13 at 10:40pm
yes.the oppo was there and choosed it as sound card outpud
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post #3564 of 5983
2/10/13 at 2:13am
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Originally Posted by LMario View Post

Im using my 105 over wired network
streaming dlna from synology (minim server) and controlling by bubbleupnp from android works fine
tried to hook up the 105 over to laptops connected by usb (installed the win 7 usb oppo driver)
but no audio (from the 2 laptops i have tried the windows media player and jriver player)
of course on the laptop i have choose'd usb driver
ive tried to figure maybe the oppo has something to configure over the internal options but found nothing
what am i doing wrong?
Mario

So you are trying to use the Asynchronous USB DAC Input from your laptop into the 105?

1) Check to be sure you have plugged into the correct socket on the 105. The Asynchronous USB DAC Input is the square shaped socket on the back panel, not any of the thin, rectangular shaped USB sockets (which are used for attaching hard drives or the Wifi dongle or a USB keyboard). See the picture in the Manual.

2) Press Input on the 105's remote (top right) and select the Asynchronous USB DAC input from the pop up list that will appear on screen.

On your Windows 7 laptop, be sure you have selected the OPPO as your choice of sound output device -- basically you are selecting to use that instead of the laptop's own speakers.

While playing music on your laptop, press the Info button on the OPPO remote and see what it reports is coming in as audio input format. The Asynchronous USB DAC will receive stereo LPCM.
--Bob
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post #3565 of 5983
2/10/13 at 3:15am
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Originally Posted by Ramatam View Post

Fedex delivered the Oppo-BDP 105 today. Brought it in and let it warm up though it was rather mild here in NC today, a balmy 52F. The unit was packaged nicely (I always smile when I see the black Oppo bag...nice Rodeo Drive touch!)
Got it set up and running and I thought that it might be interesting to give immediate, 1st impressions right out of the box. I know this isn't failr, but I think that it is telling and somewhat legit.

First Impression: Totally superior to my Oppo BDP- 93, speed-wise and sonically.

Note: These observations are made with a 2M set of Emotiva X-series RCA interconnects. I don't have an extra set of XLR's on hand but will pick some up as soon as possible. also, my 1M Monster cable interconnects were too short.

I'm running through an analog pre-amp (Emotiva XSP-1) which is fully balance and connected to two 500W mono blocks (Emotiva XPA-1's) via 1M XLR. Speakers are Von Schweikert VR-33's. No surround, just two channel.

Boot up is extremely fast. I was up to the menu in the blink of an eye with my standard copy of Lord of the Rings. I would imagine BD's will be a bit slower but we're already way ahead of the game here. I was starting the movie in no time. The picture was very nice.

I thought I'd just go ahead and give some audio files a listen with just a 5 minute warm up.
I have been using my Oppo BDP-93 for the past few years. I'm in the process of storing the CD's in the collection on an external hard drive as full size .Wav's. The 93 sounds quite good but immediately I could hear significantly better sound from the 105...and this was running cold!
I put on a .Wav from a Darol Anger album. Acoustic guitar strings had so much more “low level” information associated with them. I could here, for a better term, “micro harmonics” emanating from the speakers. Sounded so much more real. Moving quickly on to Gary Willis' “Bent” album....Jazz fusion.
Bass drums were, tighter, punchier and detailed, as was bass guitar. Toms were wide open with lots of tone and ring. This thing just “breathes” in and out!
Moving onto some Hires classical.... so much more space around the instruments and each was well defined ...you were able to tease them out from the cacophony and focus on each individual one. There was more sonic information with room acoustics as well. Hires, solo piano revealed very subtle stage and hall reverberation (not heard as well with the 93). Piano can get a bit blurry/bloated on lesser systems...this one was so much more controlled and clear.
Listening to an orchestral piece in Hires from 2L.no, I could here the rosin buzzing on the solo violin strings and reverb out of the sound box of the instrument.
I'm tempted to use the colloquialism “totally unreal” but I really should say ”real, man, real!”
Norah Jones' voice had more information to it (again low level) as well....more breathy.

On the con side, this machine, at this point, has about 20 minutes on it. and was a bit hard on the top edge when I tried to push it. But let's be fair here.

This review is just first impression stuff....I was pressed for time to get the car to the mechanic before heading out to play a gig tonight...which is why I quickly grabbed the first DVD I could for video. Can't wait to hear more and see some BD's.

Sooooo, I'll let it burn in and go back and give it a more critical listen in a few days. But I'll say this now..... I'm very impressed with the sound right out of the box, with RCA interconnects to boot. I can only think that it will gradually get smoother as time goes by. I hope to add a little more to my amateur review down the road.

KP
Just out of curiosity - have you tried connecting BDP-105 straight to mono blocks via XLR?
I am currently running Oppo straight to XPA-2 and interested to know how XSP-1 in the picture would impact SQ. I am using -20db XLR attenuators to bring volume to a desirable range in my system.
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post #3566 of 5983
2/10/13 at 3:38am
A question:

Do I see it well that the Oppo can't display the bitrates of the audio stream?
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post #3567 of 5983
2/10/13 at 4:35am
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A question:

Do I see it well that the Oppo can't display the bitrates of the audio stream?

When playing a shiny disc, the on-screen Info display will show, in real time, the COMBINED bit rate of audio and video coming off the disc. The player does not offer a way to see just the audio rate.

The player WILL show the format info for the currently selected audio input -- e.g., LPCM 2.0 192KHz 24 bit, or DTS-HD MA 7.1 48KHz.
--Bob
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post #3568 of 5983
2/10/13 at 9:27am
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Thanks for reply. I'm actually not concerned with the HDMI audio in this case, it seems to work fine. I am concerned with the digital coaxial output of the Oppo. I have a lot of videos that are encoded with DD or DTS 5.1, and the only way to send that audio to the soundbar in it's original multichannel format is to configure the Oppo's coaxial output for Bitstream format (there is a huge difference with the soundbar when playing back DD/DTS 5.1 sources vs. 2ch LPCM). But I also have many videos that are encoded with simple 2ch stereo 48kHz audio and as mentioned in my initial post, the soundbar doesn't like what the Oppo is sending along (even though the same 2ch stereo 48kHz videos play fine via the Oppo's HDMI connection to my Panasonic HDTV and out the Panasonic's optical output to the soundbar).

I'm curious if anyone else has experienced any problems with an audio source that does not work on the coaxial/optical out of the Oppo, but does on the HDMI out (assuming both are configured for Bitstream format)?

Thx...

I could be off on this one but if you're outputting bitstream and something downstream isn't playing then it's the downstream component's issue. If it was set to PCM, the oppo is doing the work but on bitstream (like you said) it's the original signal...
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yes.the oppo was there and choosed it as sound card outpud

Did you sellect the correct input on the OPPO? That's the only other setting you need to make. It's input 8 I think.
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post #3569 of 5983
2/10/13 at 10:18am
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Have you tried Skifta ?

I've also tried quite a few DMC's, this one does a far better job IMHO at caching the media so you're not waiting forever to browse through your tracks.

Well, holly cow that one actually works! Limited features (a search would be nice, surprised there's no volume) but it worked right away and did a good job.



Last week I saw that kinsky was updated so I tried it again and it worked great. By far better than everything else I've tried and was excited to get back on AVS and tell everyone but I started actually listening to it and realized it sounded horrible. Then I couldn't figure out why the sound was coming from my TV. Then realized the app was connected with my TV! Tried it with the oppo and still no dice.

I wonder if the oppo really isn't to spec or if there is something just missing with it wrt to DLNA (uPNP). Everything works with my TV great and some apps immediately have a popup saying "Your Sony XBR is trying to connect to this app, confirm or deny." So apparently the TV goes out of its way to connect to things where only < 1/2 the apps can be made to see the OPPO.

Just to save people money, the apps I've tried (and still have on my phone) but didn't work are DIXIM DMC,MLPLayer, AirTies Rmt, Kinsky,...

I think mediaconnect worked but was spotty, ArkMC worked pretty well but you have to pick every separate file to play (it wont just play whatever is in your playlist, and you can't make a playlist on iOS) and each time you pick a song you have to tell it what to send it to which gets really annoying. I looked into the software and they prided themselves on being able to play anything to anything and to multiple devices at the same time so this makes sense for them but less useful to us.

Monkey mote works great and I contacted the developer to ask if he could update it to work with the foobar uPNP plugin but he said he couldn't and making the app itself a DMC would take a complete re-write so he didn't see that happening.

For the spotty apps you can actually go to the network devices list on the oppo and see if you're going to have an issue (for me anyway). Or even if the streaming stops working. If I goto network devices and only see 2 DLNA servers (my laptop and my laptop's foorbar) then I don't think anything is going to work. If you wait about 20 seconds and I see all my DLNA servers pop up then foobar will now work and wait a little longer and I like 12 devices show up (2 of a lot of them, I'm guessing 1 is DLNA and the other is the SMB connection) then everything that can work will work (aka all these apps).

And I'm using iOS and foobar for PC on my system.
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2/10/13 at 11:54am
Here's some thoughts from the audio thread I thought were worth copying on here I will go at the end to talk about the player in general terms.

Well I have had about 4 hours just using the player to listen to music. So this will be my last post for a wee while I'd be really interested to hear other's views on the player.

I stated elsewhere I don't think for a thousand of our English pounds you can quibble this is a player that is Audiophile class-when it sings it is superb.

It's detailed and fast-it excels for me on simple music and complex stuff that is well recorded and has good space in the recording. I have heard little bits of detail and air I haven't heard before off of well loved recordings for me. When you use the other formats other than Redbook, DVDA and SACD I wouldn't say there is a drop in quality but of course we then get into the complexity of how good these formats are. On many of the hybrids I own you are really only talking different rather than better but I guess what I am saying is the so-called super formats are not beating redbook for me. Indeed I would argue the best sound I have got from the Oppo is on HDCD.

I will invest probably on some stand alone SACD's that are highly recommended.

I tried my Ayre CX-7 back in my system today and I would say the Oppo is overall better but because it is very extracting in detail there is the odd track that the CX-7 actually is preferable on but this doesn't happen that often.

If I were to criticise because of the detail sometimes where the high end is brittle on recordings this can seem more prominent and I have already stated the mid-bass is a little subtle. I have maybe heard the odd track where the Oppo seems a little muddled but again I think that is the accuracy of the player.

I have never bought the concept of burn in but the player does seem to improve when it's been running a while and changing over my power cord last night seemed to move the player up a notch but of course in all the excitement of trying out discs and messing about you can get fatigued. I think it takes time to digest a new player fully. I am getting more used to the controls but dealing with a universal player is new to me and not always as smooth an experience as I would like.

I bought the Oppo with some doubts it would be as good on audio as some have said and I doubted it would beat my CX-7 but it has, it really is a very good machine purely on audio terms.

In terms of Blu-Ray it is a level up from my Sony BDS-470 it is clearly better-colours more vibrant and detailed and smooth with movement and on DVD it does the best job of upscaling (or whatever it is it does) I have ever seen...DVD's look close to Blu Ray on the few I've tried-I doubt there is much better out there in terms of visual presentation.

I have had big problems with Networking on the Oppo-I'm not going to go all over that my only fear is that possibly the player is faulty in that area-I have noticed trying to stream knocks out my home hub now and requires to be restarted. I think I can work around this by ethernet and power-line adaptors when I get the time to look at this I will report back-it is not a main feature for me but obviously since it is there I would like to get the benefit of it.

I think overall Oppo can be very proud of this player-I am only using it in quite a simple stereo set up and I'm sure it can do a lot more but I think at the price point it really is a very good one box solution and if they improve things via firmware updates it is only going to get stronger.
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