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post #3601 of 10170
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Originally Posted by RouslanB View Post

- we have some data ( algthought not double blinded AB test) suggesting that Oppo ( at 100 volume) with XSP-1 preamp sounded better than Oppo ( at less than 100 volume) connected to the same power amp directly.

One suggestion from one source, totally anecdotal, non-verifiable, and as you state "not double blinded AB" does not constitute some known data.

We can determine:
The specs of the Oppo are comparable if not a bit better than the XSP-1 and the noise floor of the Sabre DAC @ -135dB is not bettered by the XSP-1.
There is no known problem or quality issue with the digital volume control on the Oppo-105.

Other devices connected between the Oppo and the power amp are most certain to color the sound in some way. In many cases this change, or reduction in transparency, will be pleasing to the listener, especially the one whose funds acquired said devices.
post #3602 of 10170
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

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Originally Posted by RouslanB View Post

- we have some data ( algthought not double blinded AB test) suggesting that Oppo ( at 100 volume) with XSP-1 preamp sounded better than Oppo ( at less than 100 volume) connected to the same power amp directly.

One suggestion from one source, totally anecdotal, non-verifiable, and as you state "not double blinded AB" does not constitute some known data.

We can determine:
The specs of the Oppo are comparable if not a bit better than the XSP-1 and the noise floor of the Sabre DAC @ -135dB is not bettered by the XSP-1.
There is no known problem or quality issue with the digital volume control on the Oppo-105.

Other devices connected between the Oppo and the power amp are most certain to color the sound in some way. In many cases this change, or reduction in transparency, will be pleasing to the listener, especially the one whose funds acquired said devices.

biggrin.gif Classic indeed!!! I wondered about this phenomenon myself that going direct to the amps sounds worse than going through a pre-amp. Definately, the 'colored' sound of the pre-amp is the reason for the 'improvement' in sound... a very subjective observation indeed.

 

In my case, i know going direct to my amps sounds better than going through my Anthem pre-pro in Analog-Direct mode but i need the pre-pro for its other excellent qualities. Wish i could have my cake and eat it too, but oh well....

post #3603 of 10170
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Originally Posted by RouslanB View Post


How do we explain this leaving aside physiological factors?

That's a pretty big factor to leave aside! smile.gif Ok, let's take a shot at other factors: By adding a pre-amp, you are definitely altering the audio in some way. I don't believe any pre-amp is completely neutral. And this is NOT necessarily a bad thing. For example, some people like the distinctive McIntosh sound. This is coloration added by McIntosh equipment. Other manufacturers have their own signature sound. Even different types of equipment (tube vs. SS) produce different tones. It could be the coloration added by the Emotiva pre-amp was preferred to the person who did the testing.

We all have different tastes and perceptions. Some people claim the 105 sounds 5%, 10%, 20%+ better than the Oppo 95. Personally, I couldn't tell the difference. Doesn't mean others were wrong. I never did an a/b test either. I owned the 95, sold it, waited a week until the 105 arrived. Our auditory memory is pretty weak, so even I can't be sure that it made no difference, but I couldn't tell.
post #3604 of 10170
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

biggrin.gif  Classic indeed!!! I wondered about this phenomenon myself that going direct to the amps sounds worse than going through a pre-amp. Definately, the 'colored' sound of the pre-amp is the reason for the 'improvement' in sound... a very subjective observation indeed.

In my case, i know going direct to my amps sounds better than going through my Anthem pre-pro in Analog-Direct mode but i need the pre-pro for its other excellent qualities. Wish i could have my cake and eat it too, but oh well....

My 105 goes directly into an Amthem Statement P5. Other then an HDMI input shortage, Ive had no problems putting the pre/pro on a shelf
post #3605 of 10170
I have connected the analog outs to my multichannel ins on my receiver (Pioneer Elite SC-68). When I select multi channel in on my receiver it only gets sound in the front left and right speakers. I ran the test tone on the Oppo and the test tone outputs to every speaker. I'm at a loss why the music doesn't play through all channels. I have the the recommended settings used according to both manuals. Does anyone have advice on how to correct so all the channels play sound using multi channel?
post #3606 of 10170
Anybody have trouble playing any blu-ray disks in the oppo? I got a copy of "Moonrise Kingdom" and it doesn't seem to play. I put the disc in, and an animated Universal logo appears briefly, then nothing. After a few minutes of blackness the disc stops spinning. There is not title information or anything to indicate that the player understands the disc at all.

Checked out the disc, it seemed clean, cleaned it anyway, didn't help.
post #3607 of 10170
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Originally Posted by Jeff Baker View Post

Anybody have trouble playing any blu-ray disks in the oppo? I got a copy of "Moonrise Kingdom" and it doesn't seem to play. I put the disc in, and an animated Universal logo appears briefly, then nothing. After a few minutes of blackness the disc stops spinning. There is not title information or anything to indicate that the player understands the disc at all.

Checked out the disc, it seemed clean, cleaned it anyway, didn't help.

I would suspect a damaged disc. Could you try it on another player?

Try turning off BD-Live, erasing Persistent Storage, and turning the player off and on again.

-Bill
post #3608 of 10170
I will try all that stuff. Netflix sent me a different (I assume) copy of the same disc today.
post #3609 of 10170
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TrampleLad View Post

I have connected the analog outs to my multichannel ins on my receiver (Pioneer Elite SC-68). When I select multi channel in on my receiver it only gets sound in the front left and right speakers. I ran the test tone on the Oppo and the test tone outputs to every speaker. I'm at a loss why the music doesn't play through all channels. I have the the recommended settings used according to both manuals. Does anyone have advice on how to correct so all the channels play sound using multi channel?

Is the audio source multi-channel or stereo? If the later then you need to ensure that you are enabling the DTS:NEO6 (Audio Processing).

If the former ensure that you are still on the multi-channel analog inputs, and not the standard stereo inputs assigned to the digital input on the receiver.

Try also connecting the Front Left cable to the Surround Left speaker output and see if the same errors persist.
post #3610 of 10170
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Originally Posted by TrampleLad View Post

I have connected the analog outs to my multichannel ins on my receiver (Pioneer Elite SC-68). When I select multi channel in on my receiver it only gets sound in the front left and right speakers. I ran the test tone on the Oppo and the test tone outputs to every speaker. I'm at a loss why the music doesn't play through all channels. I have the the recommended settings used according to both manuals. Does anyone have advice on how to correct so all the channels play sound using multi channel?

This happens to me each time I first put in a SACD or DVD-A disc. It will only play the 2 channel layer. To correct this I stop the disc, leave it in the player, then power cycle the player. It will then play the multichannel layer on the current & all subsequent discs as long as I don't power down the player. Easy fix but one that shouldn't be necessary.
post #3611 of 10170
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

In my case, i know going direct to my amps sounds better than going through my Anthem pre-pro in Analog-Direct mode but i need the pre-pro for its other excellent qualities. Wish i could have my cake and eat it too, but oh well....

I can understand that. In some ways I wish I had a preamp with perfect passthru but on occasion offered the ability to add some color (tone controls) as many of the tunes I grew up with (the '60's) had horrible mastering; and many of them need a good kick in the bass, if not more.
post #3612 of 10170

A couple of questions:

 

1.  Can i use my XLR outs with the subwoofer output from the MCH set to create a 2.1 configuration? Right now, i'm using  the FL/FR and Sub on the MCH outputs.

 

2.  How can i get the music tracks(FLAC, 24b/96k) on my NAS to appear in the correct numbered order in the Oppo? The tracks are labelled 01,02 ... 15 but they appear in random order in the Oppo.

 

3.  Why doesn't the GraceNote data/pics appear for these flac files?

 

Thx,

David


Edited by dmusoke - 2/13/13 at 12:40am
post #3613 of 10170
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

2.  How can i get the music tracks(FLAC, 24b/96k) on my NAS to appear in the correct numbered order in the Oppo? The tracks are labelled 01,02 ... 15 but they appear in random order in the Oppo.

The SMB client on the OPPO does not appear to be sorting results from the server. We've asked for this in future firmware.

I'm not sure if there is a standard in the SMB world as to where the sorting is to be done. I wonder if some servers aren't presenting the results already sorted which is why not everyone sees the problem.

Those using Samba servers: for v3.3.3 and after there is a way to enable server-side sorting: search the thread for "vfs objects = dirsort". NAS are likely using Samba but there may be issues of tweaking parameters outside of whatever configuration utility the NAS uses.

-Bill
post #3614 of 10170
@Neuromancer, yes the audio source is set to multi-channel on the Oppo, as well as multi-channel in is selected on the receiver. Yes, I have each analog out plugged into the analog inputs on the receiver. I have also tried plugging the front left & rights outs into the other analog inputs on the receiver, such as surround, center, and subwoofer inputs, and then it will play in that channel, but the source output, when i play a disk or Pandora, only produces sound out of the front left & right channels.

@JRDiAndrea, thanks for the info. I will try that, and I agree, if that has to be done every time, that is not good.
post #3615 of 10170
Guys...this site always has the best advice, so I have a very interesting question for you all: Currently have an Oppo 95 and cannot change that out because it plays my backed-up DVD-Audio ISO files which is a must. Period--end of story. However I definitely miss the "Wolfson" sound of my original Arcam DV139--and I need something with HDMI in as I am 100% analog audio now for pre-amp and amp. I was going to go with the lower end new Oppo 103 but...I see the Cambridge/Oppo "war" is about to go on again between the 105 and 752BD, and have always been eyeing that Cambridge since the "battle" last year. I could hook up both my current 95 and the Cambridge (or Oppo) as my preamp has 2 6-channel inputs.

However, since the Cambridge has HDMI in, my thought was could I conceivably connect my current Oppo INTO the Cambridge via a short high quality HDMI cord and therefore send everything "untouched" to the Cambridge. I would then run the connections from the Cambridge to the amp instead. I wonder how that would affect the sound vs just playing a Blu-ray direct off the Cambridge...may have to test and see if it even works. I also know Oppo was having some bad audio/video synching problems with their HDMI input--has that been resolved yet?

Of course this could also apply to the Oppo 105 as the "new player" as well...

Can anyone shed any light as to whether this theory would even work at all due to all the handshaking/HDCP BS that comes along with HDMI...

Thanks!
Edited by scottm18 - 2/13/13 at 8:11am
post #3616 of 10170
I have a question about volume control. From what I've gathered, the volume control scale is in .5 dB increments, is that true? For example, if I reduce the volume from 100 to 88, that would equal a 6 dB reduction in volume? My goal is to reduce the output gain from the XLR outputs by 50% from 4.2 volts to 2.1 volts to better match the inputs on my integrated amp which can only accept a maximum input of 2.8 volts.

I have been enjoying my 105 for the past couple of weeks. I'm using it in a 2 channel system as a USB dac with a Mac mini and audirvana and also for TV, sacd and movies. My uverse receiver utilizes one of the hdmi inputs on the oppo and I experience lip sync problems whenever there is a commercial. There is a lag switching to a new audio format for the commercial. For example, if the program is in Dolby 5.1 and the commercial is 2.0, the switch in audio formats creates a delay. I need to press pause and resume play on the uverse remote to sync the audio with the video. I can set the uverse box to output in stereo which solves the problemit it sounds better when it is set to surround and down mixed to stereo by the oppo. This is a minor inconvenience, but hopefully resolved in a future FW update.
post #3617 of 10170
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Originally Posted by TrampleLad View Post

@Neuromancer, yes the audio source is set to multi-channel on the Oppo, as well as multi-channel in is selected on the receiver. Yes, I have each analog out plugged into the analog inputs on the receiver. I have also tried plugging the front left & rights outs into the other analog inputs on the receiver, such as surround, center, and subwoofer inputs, and then it will play in that channel, but the source output, when i play a disk or Pandora, only produces sound out of the front left & right channels.

What type of disc are you playing? Pandora, of course, is only Stereo content, so it is CORRECT for the Center and Surrounds to be silent when playing Pandora unless you have some Surround Sound Processing engaged to raise stereo content to more speakers. In the OPPO you can use DTS Neo:6 for that for example.
--Bob
post #3618 of 10170
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Originally Posted by RouslanB View Post

Every digital volume control 16 bit or 32 bit has a potential to introduce a distortion compared to a analog volume control. You may argue that distortion is negligible an inaudible :-) but technically it is there.


... Technically is not there, when about ESS9018 DAC, which 105 is based on for audio stage. This chip it use a very new technique that prevent lose of accuracy of the signal when using digital volume. This patented solution is particularly only for this DAC chip (yet...).
post #3619 of 10170
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Originally Posted by johsti View Post

I have a question about volume control. From what I've gathered, the volume control scale is in .5 dB increments, is that true? For example, if I reduce the volume from 100 to 88, that would equal a 6 dB reduction in volume? My goal is to reduce the output gain from the XLR outputs by 50% from 4.2 volts to 2.1 volts to better match the inputs on my integrated amp which can only accept a maximum input of 2.8 volts.

I have been enjoying my 105 for the past couple of weeks. I'm using it in a 2 channel system as a USB dac with a Mac mini and audirvana and also for TV, sacd and movies. My uverse receiver utilizes one of the hdmi inputs on the oppo and I experience lip sync problems whenever there is a commercial. There is a lag switching to a new audio format for the commercial. For example, if the program is in Dolby 5.1 and the commercial is 2.0, the switch in audio formats creates a delay. I need to press pause and resume play on the uverse remote to sync the audio with the video. I can set the uverse box to output in stereo which solves the problemit it sounds better when it is set to surround and down mixed to stereo by the oppo. This is a minor inconvenience, but hopefully resolved in a future FW update.

Yes, on the 105 the Analog output Volume control adjusts by 0.5dB per step.

OPPO is working on a variety of issues related to audio/video sync for the digital inputs. Do check that you have the latest firmware (Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information -- the "Main" firmware number should end "1220") as some important fixes are already present in that.
--Bob
post #3620 of 10170
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

A couple of questions:

1.  Can i use my XLR outs with the subwoofer output from the MCH set to create a 2.1 configuration? Right now, i'm using  the FL/FR and Sub on the MCH outputs.

2.  How can i get the music tracks(FLAC, 24b/96k) on my NAS to appear in the correct numbered order in the Oppo? The tracks are labelled 01,02 ... 15 but they appear in random order in the Oppo.

3.  Why doesn't the GraceNote data/pics appear for these flac files?

Thx,
David

1) Yes. Set Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT and then use the multi-channel Analog Speaker Configuration settings as normal. The XLR outputs will then act just like the LF/RF outputs of the multi-channel set (except +6dB hotter -- so check your volume trims).

2) Solving sorting problems depends on how you are accessing the media files. See Bill's FAQ (link at the top of the first post of this thread) for some starting points.

3) I don't believe Sony's GraceNote service includes FLAC as a supported file format.
--Bob
post #3621 of 10170
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Originally Posted by JRDiAndrea View Post

This happens to me each time I first put in a SACD or DVD-A disc. It will only play the 2 channel layer. To correct this I stop the disc, leave it in the player, then power cycle the player. It will then play the multichannel layer on the current & all subsequent discs as long as I don't power down the player. Easy fix but one that shouldn't be necessary.

Have you been in touch with OPPO Tech Support? I don't believe any of the Beta Testers is experiencing this, and if you have a repeatable case that may mean your player needs service. It could have a fault related to recognizing the disc, or it could have a fault in its playback settings memory.

It is likely OPPO will ask you to re-install the firmware and do a complete reset of the player, just to see if that gets things back to normal without having to send the player in.
--Bob
post #3622 of 10170
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Originally Posted by Jeff Baker View Post

Anybody have trouble playing any blu-ray disks in the oppo? I got a copy of "Moonrise Kingdom" and it doesn't seem to play. I put the disc in, and an animated Universal logo appears briefly, then nothing. After a few minutes of blackness the disc stops spinning. There is not title information or anything to indicate that the player understands the disc at all.

Checked out the disc, it seemed clean, cleaned it anyway, didn't help.

No problem playing that title here (also from Netflix). The most likely explanation, given what we know so far, is that you just got a bad copy of the disc.

I'm presuming you have a stock player (i.e., no Region-free mod, or such that might confuse the issue).
--Bob
post #3623 of 10170
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Have you been in touch with OPPO Tech Support? I don't believe any of the Beta Testers is experiencing this, and if you have a repeatable case that may mean your player needs service. It could have a fault related to recognizing the disc, or it could have a fault in its playback settings memory.

It is likely OPPO will ask you to re-install the firmware and do a complete reset of the player, just to see if that gets things back to normal without having to send the player in.
--Bob

Hi Bob. Yes, i have communicated extensively w/support on this &other issues. In short, they told me they believe my issue has also occurred to others and hence my 105 is not malfunctioning. Hopefully this gets resolved in the next update.
post #3624 of 10170
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

No problem playing that title here (also from Netflix). The most likely explanation, given what we know so far, is that you just got a bad copy of the disc.

I'm presuming you have a stock player (i.e., no Region-free mod, or such that might confuse the issue).
--Bob

No problem with Moonrise Kingdom purchased new from Amazon.
post #3625 of 10170
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

2.  How can i get the music tracks(FLAC, 24b/96k) on my NAS to appear in the correct numbered order in the Oppo? The tracks are labelled 01,02 ... 15 but they appear in random order in the Oppo.

The SMB client on the OPPO does not appear to be sorting results from the server. We've asked for this in future firmware.

I'm not sure if there is a standard in the SMB world as to where the sorting is to be done. I wonder if some servers aren't presenting the results already sorted which is why not everyone sees the problem.

Those using Samba servers: for v3.3.3 and after there is a way to enable server-side sorting: search the thread for "vfs objects = dirsort". NAS are likely using Samba but there may be issues of tweaking parameters outside of whatever configuration utility the NAS uses.

-Bill

 

Thanks Bill:

 

I've serached this thread and yu are te onlu one who has mentioned the "vfs objects = dirsort" command line function. I was oly the synology forum and noticed that Synology now supports Samba v3.6.6 but unfortunately adding the command line locks up the NAS. Seems itsan unknown command or had been poorly implemented.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

A couple of questions:

1.  Can i use my XLR outs with the subwoofer output from the MCH set to create a 2.1 configuration? Right now, i'm using  the FL/FR and Sub on the MCH outputs.

2.  How can i get the music tracks(FLAC, 24b/96k) on my NAS to appear in the correct numbered order in the Oppo? The tracks are labelled 01,02 ... 15 but they appear in random order in the Oppo.

3.  Why doesn't the GraceNote data/pics appear for these flac files?

Thx,
David

1) Yes. Set Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT and then use the multi-channel Analog Speaker Configuration settings as normal. The XLR outputs will then act just like the LF/RF outputs of the multi-channel set (except +6dB hotter -- so check your volume trims).

2) Solving sorting problems depends on how you are accessing the media files. See Bill's FAQ (link at the top of the first post of this thread) for some starting points.

3) I don't believe Sony's GraceNote service includes FLAC as a supported file format.
--Bob

Thanks Bob:

 

1. How do i select XLR and RCA inputs into the D2v at the same time? Is it possible?

 

2. BDP-103 FAQ has no comments on sorting functions of any sort.

 

3. OK...sad though.

post #3626 of 10170
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Thanks Bob:

1. How do i select XLR and RCA inputs into the D2v at the same time? Is it possible?

. . . .

You can't. Use the RCA jacks -- either the normal LF/RF of the multi-channel set or the RCA L/R of the stereo set.
--Bob
post #3627 of 10170
Bob, that did the trick. I guess I have more schoolin to do. Thank you
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post #3629 of 10170
Hi all! My first post ever and I need HELP!!!
I've been using my Oppo 105 for a week now. The Youtube App has been working well although there has been a few crashes. But today whenever I started the app, after the first video is finished all of the following videos in the playlist would just play with audio only and a big Youtube logo on the screen. When I choose another video manually there would be audio only again! I have to exit and restart the app every time I need to watch a video. Nothing has changed since last night when I could play Youtube video without problem. Anyone has experienced similar issues like this?
post #3630 of 10170
You might trying resetting the player.

BTW, I get a great picture and terrific sound by routing my DirecTV DVR through the Oppo 105. A Harmony One remote controls most of this start-up process, including the A/V. But I haven't figured out a way to program the Harmony so that will choose he correct HDMI input on the Oppo. Anyone know whether this can done?

- Andy
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