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post #3631 of 10257
Coris,
I have a question for you-

This Sabre ESS DAC seems to be the same DAC in the Dragonfly USB DAC. This DAC has issues with the Microsoft Operating systems according to the DragonFly website . So if I want to stream itunes/HD hi-res music downloads then Windows Vista is incompatable, Windows 7/8 downsamples to 44.1 khz unless you have JRiver or FooBar2000 installed that can bring it back up to 88.K or 96K. Also it was said on their website that a known error occurs such as clicks and pops due to Sabre Dac hardware/Windows software compatability issues. Question: Could some of these clicks and pops be due to this hardware/software on the OPPO that some are experiencing? The reason I ask is that I am going to get a Windows 8 computer with possibly a Dragonfly USB DAC direct out to my powered Audioengine desktop speakers. Sorry if this question is off topic as I am researching for my new computer/DAC. I do have 2 OPPOs and they sound wonderful but I do have the same freeze ups on my Netflix as others are having when the screen just goes black and must power down.
Dave
post #3632 of 10257
hello, newby here. i had the BDP 105 for 3 weeks and I was amazed how it made my cd, DVD and BD incredibly good to listen and watch movies. I can listen to it all day without tiring my ears too. movie conversations is clearer or cleaner. avatar is unbelievable to watch. it's so clear.
Here is my dilemma I just noticed that the unbalanced RCA turns about approx 1/8 of an inch if I twist L and R.other RCA are fine. does it affect the performance of the 105? I called oppo and they said it shouldn't. any input. thanks. I'm still on page 58 of this forum.
post #3633 of 10257
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Originally Posted by begalbas View Post

Here is my dilemma I just noticed that the unbalanced RCA turns about approx 1/8 of an inch if I twist L and R.other RCA are fine. does it affect the performance of the 105? I called oppo and they said it shouldn't. any input. thanks. I'm still on page 58 of this forum.

The RCA plug should be tight, not loose. I would definitely send in the unit for repair/replacement. It could potentially affect sound quality depending on how well it's connected on the inside. It's obviously loose and could pose problems down the road, specially if you connect/disconnect cables a few more times.

Good luck!
post #3634 of 10257
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Originally Posted by ajglass View Post

You might trying resetting the player.

BTW, I get a great picture and terrific sound by routing my DirecTV DVR through the Oppo 105. A Harmony One remote controls most of this start-up process, including the A/V. But I haven't figured out a way to program the Harmony so that will choose he correct HDMI input on the Oppo. Anyone know whether this can done?

- Andy

I use a Harmony 890. The 105 is my pre/pro now. I start with the activity "Watch TV". This gives me OPPO home. I have "input" programed into the window area of the remote. I push "input" and that brings up the list of inputs starting with "BLU-RAY PLAYER" at the top. I push "input" again twice and that brings me to "HDMI IN THE BACK" I hit, OK (select) on the remote and I have broadcast tv. This takes about 10 seconds. Of course if I start the turn-on sequence with "Watch DVD" it comes on ready to go.
post #3635 of 10257
^ "Input - digit" will select that line in the Input list immediately; Input 3 in your case. One less button push. smile.gif
--Bob
post #3636 of 10257
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Originally Posted by davehale View Post

Coris,
I have a question for you-

This Sabre ESS DAC seems to be the same DAC in the Dragonfly USB DAC. This DAC has issues with the Microsoft Operating systems according to the DragonFly website . So if I want to stream itunes/HD hi-res music downloads then Windows Vista is incompatable, Windows 7/8 downsamples to 44.1 khz unless you have JRiver or FooBar2000 installed that can bring it back up to 88.K or 96K. Also it was said on their website that a known error occurs such as clicks and pops due to Sabre Dac hardware/Windows software compatability issues. Question: Could some of these clicks and pops be due to this hardware/software on the OPPO that some are experiencing? The reason I ask is that I am going to get a Windows 8 computer with possibly a Dragonfly USB DAC direct out to my powered Audioengine desktop speakers. Sorry if this question is off topic as I am researching for my new computer/DAC. I do have 2 OPPOs and they sound wonderful but I do have the same freeze ups on my Netflix as others are having when the screen just goes black and must power down.
Dave

I seriously doubt that that Dragonfly USB DAC has something to do with ESS Sabre... At last, Oppo 105 is using ESS9018 and its DAC accept 192Khz/32-24 bit (it can accept actually 384Khz/32bit, but not when used in Oppo player...). My first subjective appreciation that is not enough place in that Dragonfly USB litle box for a such complicated DAC based on Sabre... It is very possible that a toy like that it is using an DAC chip designated to be used in mobile phones...
The best combination computer - DAC you may have (for the price) is using the USB in of one of your two Oppos (if both are 105 model). In such case, you do not have to use "desktop speakers" but your (I suppose) real speakers, and amplifier system coupled to your 105 (with USB in option), playing files from your computer.
I did not heard yet about clicks and pops issues when using 105 and Windows based computers. I never experienced my self such (on win7/64bit). My suggestion is to forget that kind of DAC (Dragonfly...), and concentrate your efforts to get a good system using an 105 Oppo and an computer running win7/ 64 bit (I personally do not trust enough win8).
Edited by Coris - 2/14/13 at 2:21pm
post #3637 of 10257
I'm trying to learn more about digital audio and the Oppo inputs as I experiment. I have an HTPC (Win 7) connected to my Oppo-105 both via the coax digital input and USB input. Oppo drivers have been installed and working great. HTPC has a M-Audio 24/96 sound card with coaxial digital output. I use my HTPC for listening to music stored locally via Foobar, listening to online streaming audio via Spotify/Slacker, and watching TV via Windows Media Center (HTPC has tuner card).

When listening to locally stored files using Foobar, I use the USB input on the Oppo. Foobar settings are set to Oppo USB. But for Spotify/Slacker and Windows Media Center, I use the coaxial digital inputs so I can take advantage of Dolby Digital.

Questions:

1. While playing music via Foobar (using USB), when I press the "info" button on the remote, for example, it says LPCM 2.0 44.1 or whatever the sampling rate may be (sometimes 96k). But it never shows the bit rate. Of course, Foobar gives this info (e.g. mp3 128, FLAC 24/96, etc.). Anyways to have Oppo display this info instead of only a sampling rate?

2. When using the coaxial digital input with Spotify/Slacker, the info button on the Oppo shows the sampling rate at 96k. It never changes. Even when I play an mp3 file stored locally through Spotify. I'm learning this could be because Windows is upsampling. Anyway to not have Windows not upsample so the Oppo could display the proper rate?

3. When using Spotify/Slacker, how do you know if it's a 128 or 256 mp3??? Anyways to tell?

Thanks!
post #3638 of 10257
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ "Input - digit" will select that line in the Input list immediately; Input 3 in your case. One less button push. smile.gif
--Bob

Thanks, will do.
post #3639 of 10257
<<You can't. Use the RCA jacks -- either the normal LF/RF of the multi-channel set or the RCA L/R of the stereo set.
--Bob


Bob do you have an Anthem Statement matched to your D2v?
post #3640 of 10257
^ Uhm, what? The D2v is, more fully, the "Anthem Statement D2v". If you meant amps, the answer is no.
--Bob
post #3641 of 10257
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

The RCA plug should be tight, not loose. I would definitely send in the unit for repair/replacement. It could potentially affect sound quality depending on how well it's connected on the inside. It's obviously loose and could pose problems down the road, specially if you connect/disconnect cables a few more times.

Good luck!
post #3642 of 10257
thanks HowardV
I'll give them a call.
post #3643 of 10257
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Originally Posted by ajglass View Post

You might trying resetting the player.

I've already tried restoring the player to factory default in the setting menu but the problem still exists. Is there a way to hard reset the player?

What's with Youtube that's only giving me AUDIO. That doesn't even make sense! mad.gif
post #3644 of 10257
Having problems with my new 105 responding to numerous buttons on my harmony one remote. Before I start learning commands any tips? Removed my bdp83 and added bdp105 first in the harmony.
post #3645 of 10257
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

Having problems with my new 105 responding to numerous buttons on my harmony one remote. Before I start learning commands any tips? Removed my bdp83 and added bdp105 first in the harmony.
Is it safe to assume that you tried the Oppo remote and the 105 responds fine to that? If not, that's the first thing I would try.
post #3646 of 10257
Also make sure the remote command set selection number in Setup > Device Setup matches what you used when configuring your Harmony.
--Bob
post #3647 of 10257
Thanks darkphader & Coris

Those clarifications helped a lot. My OPPO's are doing fine. Actually I was moving on to purchasing my next system- a Windows 8 All in One computer with very good desktop speakers possibly the Audioengine 5+ and a good cheap but effective DAC for those small desktop speakers. I brought up the Dragonfly laptop DAC discussion as it is getting good reviews and it has a Sabre DAC but like darkphader notes it as an unknown Sabre DAC and their FAQ shown some slight sound trouble matched with the newer Windows OS . This Dragonfly DAC (24/96) and small speakers may be enough for my desktop purposes. I will try other threads to keep up with my research for awhile. Again thanks for further clarification on this DAC
Dave
post #3648 of 10257
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Originally Posted by davehale View Post

Thanks darkphader & Coris

Those clarifications helped a lot. My OPPO's are doing fine. Actually I was moving on to purchasing my next system- a Windows 8 All in One computer with very good desktop speakers possibly the Audioengine 5+ and a good cheap but effective DAC for those small desktop speakers. I brought up the Dragonfly laptop DAC discussion as it is getting good reviews and it has a Sabre DAC but like darkphader notes it as an unknown Sabre DAC and their FAQ shown some slight sound trouble matched with the newer Windows OS . This Dragonfly DAC (24/96) and small speakers may be enough for my desktop purposes. I will try other threads to keep up with my research for awhile. Again thanks for further clarification on this DAC
Dave

You (as I do) should not trust very much those reviews of one or another products. As usually they who write such reviews are involved in one way to make the customers to buy that products. I have not seen yet an review which were negative to an product, so that the producer got that item out of marked...
Edited by Coris - 2/15/13 at 9:30am
post #3649 of 10257
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Is it safe to assume that you tried the Oppo remote and the 105 responds fine to that? If not, that's the first thing I would try.

Works perfectly with 105 remote.
post #3650 of 10257
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Also make sure the remote command set selection number in Setup > Device Setup matches what you used when configuring your Harmony.
--Bob

Harmony never asked or gives option for remote command set. In oppo setup I kept default remote first setting.
post #3651 of 10257
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Also make sure the remote command set selection number in Setup > Device Setup matches what you used when configuring your Harmony.
--Bob

Harmony never asked or gives option for remote command set. In oppo setup I kept default remote first setting.

There's a way to instruct the Harmony you want to use one of the alternate command sets -- as I recall it is accessed by the configuration screen for confirming buttons when you set up the Harmony. But no matter.

Tell us a few buttons that ARE working on the Harmony and a few that are NOT working with the 105. That may suggest the problem -- perhaps key repeat count or the like. If you have HDMI CEC enabled in the OPPO your AVR or display may be sending conflicting commands to the OPPO.

Try this: Turn off your TV display, get up close to the front of the OPPO with the Harmony and try commands that you can confirm are working via the Front Panel display. Things like Power, Tray Open/Close. Pure Mode, Resolution change. Still not working?
--Bob
post #3652 of 10257
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There's a way to instruct the Harmony you want to use one of the alternate command sets -- as I recall it is accessed by the configuration screen for confirming buttons when you set up the Harmony. But no matter.

Tell us a few buttons that ARE working on the Harmony and a few that are NOT working with the 105. That may suggest the problem -- perhaps key repeat count or the like. If you have HDMI CEC enabled in the OPPO your AVR or display may be sending conflicting commands to the OPPO.

Try this: Turn off your TV display, get up close to the front of the OPPO with the Harmony and try commands that you can confirm are working via the Front Panel display. Things like Power, Tray Open/Close. Pure Mode, Resolution change. Still not working?
--Bob

I'm having so much fun listening to the new analog section in the 105, it took me a couple of hours to realize I had this harmony remote problem with some keys. The 7.1 multichannel analog outs on the 105 have more openness and space around the musicians than the stereo analog outs on the 83SE.
post #3653 of 10257
Coris, You are right of course.
The only reviews I take seriously are from common folks such as from Amazon or Newegg but I do read the reviews for some theory/factual, inner working type of understanding of a device or from sound engineers not employed from the same company.
Dave
post #3654 of 10257
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Originally Posted by davehale View Post

Coris, You are right of course.
The only reviews I take seriously are from common folks such as from Amazon or Newegg but I do read the reviews for some theory/factual, inner working type of understanding of a device or from sound engineers not employed from the same company.
Dave
Generally speaking, when I look at many of the reviews on places like Amazon and Newegg, I tend to largely ignore them as many of the complaints tend to be from people who clearly haven't bothered to do things like read the manual or just don't have any clue what they're. On the flip side, many of the 5 star reviews don't offer enough substance to know if the person actually used the product yet or just quickly tried it out and didn't encounter any obvious issues.

As far as reviews in printed publications go, negative reviews actually do get published from time to time - the reviewers in Home Theater magazine don't seem to be afraid to say "I can't recommend this product" and it's been pretty common for them to point out flaws (such as issues with HDMI video processing on receivers, which they don't seem to pull many punches on and seems to have resulted in video processing improvements on receivers over the last few years). But the published reviews tend to just look at the streaming features as checklist items rather than spending much, if any, time testing them.

The bottom line is that one has to take ANY review, regardless of the source, with an appropriate dose of salt.
post #3655 of 10257
Yea Amazon is full of people who complain that their 10 gauge wires are way too thick or that they don't get any music out of their USB - power cable connector or that they received the wrong product and that you should never trust this vendor (has nothing to do with the product) or that the HD800 sound like crap out of an ipod.
post #3656 of 10257
age old problem: sans test measurement, you'll never get an objective review with publications that advertise the very product you are considering.
It's peers - like the great people in this forum- that have done due diligence (like taking up a dealer's offer to trial test components in their home)
which are are the most reliable. I would make the exception for hi end loudspeakers. Wayy too subjective.
post #3657 of 10257
Hey Guys.....Just became an owner of a brand new BDP 105 this morning.

Question: Is it true most receivers or pre/pro do not do any type of bass management to analog inputs? And this is why the Oppo 105 Bass Management becomes very usefull? I currently have an Integra DHC 9.9 Pre/Pro.

Can't wait to get home and power up this baby.
post #3658 of 10257
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Originally Posted by luketo View Post

Hey Guys.....Just became an owner of a brand new BDP 105 this morning.

Question: Is it true most receivers or pre/pro do not do any type of bass management to analog inputs? And this is why the Oppo 105 Bass Management becomes very usefull? I currently have an Integra DHC 9.9 Pre/Pro.

Can't wait to get home and power up this baby.

More or less correct. Most AVRs and pre-pros cannot do any sort of bass management or processing on the multi-channel analog inputs. this is because all such processing must be done in the digital domain, and they cannot digitize multichannel. Most do however digitize the stereo analog inputs. Of course, its preferable NOT to have a processor digitizing your Oppo's analog output, since you'd lose the benefit of the Oppo's DAC.
post #3659 of 10257
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

More or less correct. Most AVRs and pre-pros cannot do any sort of bass management or processing on the multi-channel analog inputs. this is because all such processing must be done in the digital domain, and they cannot digitize multichannel. Most do however digitize the stereo analog inputs. Of course, its preferable NOT to have a processor digitizing your Oppo's analog output, since you'd lose the benefit of the Oppo's DAC.

However, my Onkyo PR-SC5507 was not very good at delilvering LCPM via HDMI so this pream sounded much better via XLR converted back to digital for processing than it did via HDMI.

Go figure.

- Rich
post #3660 of 10257
OK, so just found out that the 105 will not play ISO files so there doesn't seem to be any way to play music without gaps betwen songs that I can find. That makes the Oppo pretty unuseful for playing digital files of most of the music I listen to. Without the digital portion of the player I am not feeling this thing is worth the money. If anyone knows a way to be able to play digital files without gaps, PLEASE let me know. I'm surprised this thing was put out without having a way to play a digital album in its entirety! It also will not play video ISO files including blu-ray.;;
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