Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread - Page 126

Interesting response from Oppo Customer Service!

 

That is what I call a honest company, I wished many more companies were that honest! So there you have it

 

To the question: Should I upgrade to the BDP-105 vs the 95 my primary interest is in sound quality while playing Blu Ray or SACDs?

 

 

^ Since you posted this in two threads, I guess I'll have to respond in two threads. I think the answer is colored by your emphasis purely on audio quality (which you didn't mention in the other thread).

In any event, I would STILL say that OPPO is being too modest. Here's my response from the 95 owner's thread:

 

Yes, i am. PM your condolences if needed.

It turned out the second copy of Moonrise Kingdom didn't work either, with the same behavior. Evidently this disc requires bd-live, or else it just craps its shorts. Yet another example of how Hollywood has no idea how to create compelling immersive experiences. Now I have to sysadmin my dang movie player, because some jerk put TCP and Java inside it.

Thank you Jim

Thanks for replying, I may have to get something like the new Marantz NA 11 S1... I find the DAC and the sound of the Oppo a tad bright, so I will be looking for something a bit warmer. And I am not sure if the headphone can drive a Senn HD 700 I am considering..

Can someone tell me if the BDP-105 shows relative volume as an option via analog.

Nope, that's the only one. The key point is that it is only on the right.

Thanks!

Let me know if you need more help (here, or through private messages, although here will benefit others).

I have so been tortured by ground loops.

If you want to see what eventually worked, google for Martin Logan System 420.

Here is an other company who is using the Sabre 

 

http://www.krellonline.com/connect.html

 

"Optional 32-bit ESS Sabre DAC features 192k/24-bit playback, with Krell fully discrete, balanced, Current mode analog circuitry"

 

Is the Oppo fully discrete balanced!

Bob,

Thanks for the info. One question, will PCM processing degrade the quality of the audio compared with straight DSD? if so, is it obvious?

^^

Single DAC
No multichannel
No video
3xthe price
No comparison

In my testing, I find DSD and PCM playback of SACD discs to be identical (presuming you take due care not to confuse yourself by having the PCM set up to do processing which the DSD method can not do). Of course if you NEED the player to be doing processing, then the PCM version will sound better.

There are quite a few folks out there who believe they can hear an improvement when using DSD playback, despite the inability to do processing. It's always tough to weigh such subjective reports, so let's just leave it that DSD and PCM playback -- with both set up correctly -- should sound very close; both should be excellent.
--Bob

Balanced ciruitry ...Yes, on its 2CH board.

Discrete circuitry ... No, they use high quality LM4562 op amps. 

I can hear a difference with the Revel Salons.
I prefer the Oppo DSD over LPCM because the LPCM is a tad brighter and my speakers are bright enough for my tastes.
DSD/HDMI via to the Marantz also sounds very much like the the Oppo DSD (which is my favorite).

It's nice to have choices though

- Rich

Greetings everyone! My Oppo 105 should be arriving tomorrow. I have a setup question and apologize if it has been addressed previously. What is the better setup option for audio from a server, USB-DAC or using the network feature to play hi-res FLAC (up to 24/192) via Foobar (UPnP/DLNA Renderer). I am curious to know what current owners prefer. Thank you.

I'm using the 83SE and have plans to upgrade to the 105. I've also got a Audio Research DSI200 amplifier and would like to take advantage of its balanced inputs. Has anyone tested the XLR vs RCA on the Oppo.Asus Nexus 7 Tablet Review
Edited by ackergwj - 3/18/13 at 7:34pm

Hi MagnoliaMOE

They both share the same DAC so I was not suppose to find any differences and I did not. But:
DLNA allows for Mutichannel playback (up to 5.1ch/192kHz or 7.1ch/96kHz PCM)
USB allows for only (!) 24/192 stereo
USB allows for gapless playback while DLNA not (may be a pain if you play some titles like Dark side of The Moon)

You may use both for covering the whole capacity of this amazing machine!

Best
Kami

These are more alike than different.
The biggest difference is the path through the PC.
Kernel Streaming of the WASAPI Event driver are the best. I prefer WASAPI event.

I use the USB DAC primarily for 2 channel since it is a little faster and I think there is a hair more detail.
There are also DSP an upsampling choices available when network streaming.
I think you have to try them see what you like.

- Rich

Yes and they perform the same when I tried them directly connected to my Sunfire Amp.
If connecting to a Processor, there can be differences but those come from the Processor's handling of the source.
Many cannot digitize the 7.1 analog inputs but can, optionally or always, digitize the XLR inputs.
If you do not already have XLR cables just use the RCA, otherwise, there is no harm in using the XLR.

- Rich

Hi Jim,

Thanks so much for your assistance. How would I ground components to a shared ground? I am not well versed in diagnosing and correcting this type of problem. I did try unplugging the sub from the power center and plugging it into the wall directly. It did seem to help. I now hear the hum when the volume is turned up to -17.0db. But I have to put my ear to the speakers to hear it. Since this is my first Blue ray player, maybe I should contact you by private message, just to pick your brain a little. The questions I have may or my not help experienced users. You have a fantastic system, BTW.

Earl

Hi Jim,

Thanks so much for your assistance. How would I ground components to a shared ground? I am not well versed in diagnosing and correcting this type of problem. I did try unplugging the sub from the power center and plugging it into the wall directly. It did seem to help. I now hear the hum when the volume is turned up to -17.0db. But I have to put my ear to the speakers to hear it. Since this is my first Blue ray player, maybe I should contact you by private message, just to pick your brain a little. The questions I have may or my not help experienced users. You have a fantastic system, BTW.

Earl

It depends on your room layout. In my case, I had to rewire the living room, but that was because the components were 40+ feet apart.

If you can plug everything into a common outlet, that's a start. You can get a cheapo wiring tester at a hardware store to check if your outlets are properly grounded.

If you have cable, disconnect it and see if the problem clears up. That's a common source of trouble (and there are techniques online for dealing with cable problems).

Is this the correct place to ask questions about the Remote capability of the ios App? I understand that an HD version for Ipads has not yet been released but was curious as to the capability of the system. Plan is for the 105 to be the Preamp in what I am proposing.

Will it allow for the user to pick between inputs 14) Optical 15) Coax 16) USB ? I assume there is full volume control as well?
Edited by damon - 2/20/13 at 11:25am

When I disconnected the cable, the noise went away. As long as I leave the cable disconnected.............. I'm good hmmm

This is a very common situation these days. Basically the shield of the cable TV feed is picking up garbage as it shares the poles outside with power lines and such. That garbage is supposed to be drained to ground by a proper ground connection where the cable TV feed enters your house, but these are often not installed correctly. That ground connection also provides a way for garbage to drain that might be picked up by the feed wire's shield along its length inside your house. That can fail if the plugs are not properly attached to the cable, or not screwed in tight, so that the shield of the cable is not actually connected to the ground where the feed enters your house.

So the first thing to do is to check the ground connections and that the plugs are screwed on tight.

If that still doesn't fix it, then there are cheap gizmos called ground/hum blockers that you can insert in-line on the feed wire coming out the wall. Basically these are little, cylindrical transformers that do not connect the shield from one side to the other. The cable signal passes through the transformer, but any garbage coming in on the cable shield can't get to the other side. Because these are cheap and because cable signals cover a pretty wide range of frequencies, you may find that inserting one of these means you lose signal strength on some channels. So try to fix this by correcting the feed wire grounding first. (NOTE: You can't use these for satellite feed wires because there are DC voltages on satellite wires, which they block, that are used for sending control signals to the satellite dish.)
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 2/20/13 at 11:41am

The current version of the iOS app for the 105 duplicates the functions of the normal remote control. It knows it is connected to a 105 and so it shows the correct set of buttons for a 105.

So, for example, the Volume and Mute buttons are there, as well as the Input button which is used to switch Inputs. There are no added buttons -- i.e., no one button for picking, say, the Coax input. You would do that the same way you would with the normal remote.

OPPO is working on improvements for the iOS app for the 103./105, but no release date has been specified, nor any specific set of upcoming features. But it is expected that improved media file control will be added as well as feedback from the player (i.e., display time code and track info for what's currently playing).

It is also expected that OPPO will publish the network control protocol (once they've got it done) so that other people can use it in apps they create.
--Bob

Thanks Bob,

"you would have to do that the same way you would with the normal remote". Not quite understanding this. The option will show up on the screen just no macro option?

A rather interesting friend has the odd situation of 3 separate two channel zones.
My plan is to utilize the different inputs of 14,15,16 for him to keep control.

Note: only 2 zones will have video displays.

This is fresh from Jin Pi of Oppo. He helped me with a project ages ago.

"The current implementation of the iOS and Android remote controls emulate the standard IR commands of the player. So you will need to press the INPUT button then:
 
a)      1-8 to switch between the available inputs, with the number representing the location of the input on the drop down box. For example, 1 is “Blu-ray” and 2 is “HDMI In Front”.
b)      UP or DOWN to highlight the input then ENTER to make the selection.
c)      INPUT continuously until the input has been selected.
 
Yes, there is volume control on it, just like the physical remote.
 
We are working on a more advanced iOS and Android remote Apps, especially for media play. But I don’t have any idea when they will be ready to release.
 

^ What he said. Use his method (1) for the zones without video.
--Bob