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post #3751 of 10241

Interesting response from Oppo Customer Service!

 

That is what I call a honest company, I wished many more companies were that honest! So there you have it

 

To the question: Should I upgrade to the BDP-105 vs the 95 my primary interest is in sound quality while playing Blu Ray or SACDs?

 

 

"Consider upgrading the player to the BDP-105 if you needed
- HDMI inputs,
- digital coaxial,
- optical or
- Asynchronous USB DAC capabilities,
- wanted a headphone amplifier built into the player, or
- additional streaming capabilities such as 1080p and multi-channel from Netflix and Rhapsody and CinemaNow support. 

As a physical disc player, the two units are nearly identical, so you would not need to upgrade the player."
 
So there you have it! 
post #3752 of 10241
^ Since you posted this in two threads, I guess I'll have to respond in two threads. I think the answer is colored by your emphasis purely on audio quality (which you didn't mention in the other thread).

In any event, I would STILL say that OPPO is being too modest. Here's my response from the 95 owner's thread:
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ I think they are also being modest.

Considering purely disc playback related changes, the 103/105 are noticeably faster for disc operations (and MUCH faster for power up), have improved ability to read through damaged discs, and have a full DTS decoder instead of "DTS-HD MA Essentials".

They also offer 2D --> 3D Conversion, 4K upscaling (to a 4K display), improved DVD 24p Conversion, improved handling of Secondary Audio mixing for Blu-ray discs, improved Analog output configuration options, improved dual HDMI output configuration options, DTS Neo:6 Surround Sound processing (raise stereo movie/music tracks to 5.1 or 7.1 Analog output), and Gracenote data lookup for music tracks and music discs.

And those are just the items that impact shiny disc playback.
--Bob
post #3753 of 10241
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Are you an EE?  Yes marketing to push boxes!

 

Yes, i am. PM your condolences if neededtongue.gif.

post #3754 of 10241
It turned out the second copy of Moonrise Kingdom didn't work either, with the same behavior. Evidently this disc requires bd-live, or else it just craps its shorts. Yet another example of how Hollywood has no idea how to create compelling immersive experiences. Now I have to sysadmin my dang movie player, because some jerk put TCP and Java inside it.
post #3755 of 10241
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

I spent two years battling ground loops and hum in our house. Finally had to isolate the power with a Furman, while running cables inside conduit. Your mileage may vary.

Some generally useful tips that could help:

Isolate each stage of the process, component-swapping where possible.

It helps greatly if you can start by taking your Oppo to a friend's house and hooking it up there. If it hums, send it back to Oppo. If not, you know it has something to do with your setup.

Assuming it's not the Oppo, try connecting the Oppo to a borrowed amp in your setup, bypassing your receiver.

You can try swapping cables (not for perceived sound differences, but on the offchance you have a defective cable, which does happen).

And so forth.

If you think it's a ground loop, and you know an installer, you might be able to borrow an isolation diagnosis kit, which consists of various connectors that you put in circuit to block signal. This can also help find defective cables.

You can use Ebtech RCA-to-XLR (and vice-versa) transformers to isolate subwoofer signals. They have really good specs, and can kill off hums due to ground loops. (These are left in circuit, unlike the isolators which are just used for debugging.)

By the way, are you grounding your components to a shared, good ground? If not, you should try to do that.

The secret is to be methodical, conducting experiments where you change only one variable at once.

Thank you Jim
post #3756 of 10241
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Still a dream.

Note that if you connect an actual Mac to the Asynchronous USB DAC Input of the 105, then you can play Apple Lossless tracks (even DRM protected tracks) that way (stereo LPCM up to 192KHz 24-bit). That input goes straight to the DACs in the 105 -- bypassing any audio processing. So you do lose any bass management you might be using when playing other content.
--Bob

Thanks for replying, I may have to get something like the new Marantz NA 11 S1... I find the DAC and the sound of the Oppo a tad bright, so I will be looking for something a bit warmer. And I am not sure if the headphone can drive a Senn HD 700 I am considering..
post #3757 of 10241
Can someone tell me if the BDP-105 shows relative volume as an option via analog.
post #3758 of 10241
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The geometry error on the right for the OPPO screen saver during SD-DVD pauses is a known problem. OPPO will address that in a firmware update.

When else are you seeing issues?
--Bob

Nope, that's the only one. The key point is that it is only on the right.

Thanks!
post #3759 of 10241
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Originally Posted by music first View Post

Thank you Jim

Let me know if you need more help (here, or through private messages, although here will benefit others).

I have so been tortured by ground loops.

If you want to see what eventually worked, google for Martin Logan System 420.
post #3760 of 10241

Here is an other company who is using the Sabre 

 

http://www.krellonline.com/connect.html

 

"Optional 32-bit ESS Sabre DAC features 192k/24-bit playback, with Krell fully discrete, balanced, Current mode analog circuitry"

 

Is the Oppo fully discrete balanced!

post #3761 of 10241
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Precisely right. When DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion is engaged (i.e., when SACD Output DSD is set and the DSD function is not blocked by limitations of your HDMI attached output devices), then the DSD digital audio goes DIRECT to the DACs. No audio processing is possible. No Crossover processing. No down-mixing. No time alignment (distance adjustments). Nothing. Any such stuff would have to be done external to the player.

If you want the OPPO to do the audio processing, simply set SACD Output PCM instead.
--Bob

Bob,

Thanks for the info. One question, will PCM processing degrade the quality of the audio compared with straight DSD? if so, is it obvious?
post #3762 of 10241
^^

Single DAC
No multichannel
No video
3xthe price
No comparison
post #3763 of 10241
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Precisely right. When DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion is engaged (i.e., when SACD Output DSD is set and the DSD function is not blocked by limitations of your HDMI attached output devices), then the DSD digital audio goes DIRECT to the DACs. No audio processing is possible. No Crossover processing. No down-mixing. No time alignment (distance adjustments). Nothing. Any such stuff would have to be done external to the player.

If you want the OPPO to do the audio processing, simply set SACD Output PCM instead.
--Bob

Bob,

Thanks for the info. One question, will PCM processing degrade the quality of the audio compared with straight DSD? if so, is it obvious?

In my testing, I find DSD and PCM playback of SACD discs to be identical (presuming you take due care not to confuse yourself by having the PCM set up to do processing which the DSD method can not do). Of course if you NEED the player to be doing processing, then the PCM version will sound better.

There are quite a few folks out there who believe they can hear an improvement when using DSD playback, despite the inability to do processing. It's always tough to weigh such subjective reports, so let's just leave it that DSD and PCM playback -- with both set up correctly -- should sound very close; both should be excellent.
--Bob
post #3764 of 10241
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Here is an other company who is using the Sabre 

 

http://www.krellonline.com/connect.html

 

"Optional 32-bit ESS Sabre DAC features 192k/24-bit playback, with Krell fully discrete, balanced, Current mode analog circuitry"

 

Is the Oppo fully discrete balanced!

Balanced ciruitry ...Yes, on its 2CH board.

Discrete circuitry ... No, they use high quality LM4562 op amps. 

post #3765 of 10241
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

In my testing, I find DSD and PCM playback of SACD discs to be identical (presuming you take due care not to confuse yourself by having the PCM set up to do processing which the DSD method can not do). Of course if you NEED the player to be doing processing, then the PCM version will sound better.

There are quite a few folks out there who believe they can hear an improvement when using DSD playback, despite the inability to do processing. It's always tough to weigh such subjective reports, so let's just leave it that DSD and PCM playback -- with both set up correctly -- should sound very close; both should be excellent.
--Bob

I can hear a difference with the Revel Salons.
I prefer the Oppo DSD over LPCM because the LPCM is a tad brighter and my speakers are bright enough for my tastes.
DSD/HDMI via to the Marantz also sounds very much like the the Oppo DSD (which is my favorite).

It's nice to have choices though smile.gif

- Rich
post #3766 of 10241
Greetings everyone! My Oppo 105 should be arriving tomorrow. I have a setup question and apologize if it has been addressed previously. What is the better setup option for audio from a server, USB-DAC or using the network feature to play hi-res FLAC (up to 24/192) via Foobar (UPnP/DLNA Renderer). I am curious to know what current owners prefer. Thank you.
post #3767 of 10241
I'm using the 83SE and have plans to upgrade to the 105. I've also got a Audio Research DSI200 amplifier and would like to take advantage of its balanced inputs. Has anyone tested the XLR vs RCA on the Oppo.Asus Nexus 7 Tablet Review
Edited by ackergwj - 3/18/13 at 7:34pm
post #3768 of 10241
Hi MagnoliaMOE

They both share the same DAC so I was not suppose to find any differences and I did not. But:
DLNA allows for Mutichannel playback (up to 5.1ch/192kHz or 7.1ch/96kHz PCM)
USB allows for only (!) 24/192 stereo
USB allows for gapless playback while DLNA not (may be a pain if you play some titles like Dark side of The Moon)

You may use both for covering the whole capacity of this amazing machine!

Best
Kami
post #3769 of 10241
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Originally Posted by MagnoliaMOE View Post

Greetings everyone! My Oppo 105 should be arriving tomorrow. I have a setup question and apologize if it has been addressed previously. What is the better setup option for audio from a server, USB-DAC or using the network feature to play hi-res FLAC (up to 24/192) via Foobar (UPnP/DLNA Renderer). I am curious to know what current owners prefer. Thank you.

These are more alike than different.
The biggest difference is the path through the PC.
Kernel Streaming of the WASAPI Event driver are the best. I prefer WASAPI event.

I use the USB DAC primarily for 2 channel since it is a little faster and I think there is a hair more detail.
There are also DSP an upsampling choices available when network streaming.
I think you have to try them see what you like.

- Rich
post #3770 of 10241
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Originally Posted by ackergwj View Post

I'm using the 83SE and have plans to upgrade to the 105. I've also got a Audio Research DSI200 amplifier and would like to take advantage of its balanced inputs. Has anyone tested the XLR vs RCA on the Oppo.1.gif

Yes and they perform the same when I tried them directly connected to my Sunfire Amp.
If connecting to a Processor, there can be differences but those come from the Processor's handling of the source.
Many cannot digitize the 7.1 analog inputs but can, optionally or always, digitize the XLR inputs.
If you do not already have XLR cables just use the RCA, otherwise, there is no harm in using the XLR.

- Rich
post #3771 of 10241
Hi Jim,

Thanks so much for your assistance. How would I ground components to a shared ground? I am not well versed in diagnosing and correcting this type of problem. I did try unplugging the sub from the power center and plugging it into the wall directly. It did seem to help. I now hear the hum when the volume is turned up to -17.0db. But I have to put my ear to the speakers to hear it. Since this is my first Blue ray player, maybe I should contact you by private message, just to pick your brain a little. The questions I have may or my not help experienced users. You have a fantastic system, BTW.

Earl
post #3772 of 10241
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

Let me know if you need more help (here, or through private messages, although here will benefit others).

I have so been tortured by ground loops.

If you want to see what eventually worked, google for Martin Logan System 420.

Hi Jim,

Thanks so much for your assistance. How would I ground components to a shared ground? I am not well versed in diagnosing and correcting this type of problem. I did try unplugging the sub from the power center and plugging it into the wall directly. It did seem to help. I now hear the hum when the volume is turned up to -17.0db. But I have to put my ear to the speakers to hear it. Since this is my first Blue ray player, maybe I should contact you by private message, just to pick your brain a little. The questions I have may or my not help experienced users. You have a fantastic system, BTW.

Earl
post #3773 of 10241
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Originally Posted by music first View Post

Thanks so much for your assistance. How would I ground components to a shared ground?

It depends on your room layout. In my case, I had to rewire the living room, but that was because the components were 40+ feet apart.

If you can plug everything into a common outlet, that's a start. You can get a cheapo wiring tester at a hardware store to check if your outlets are properly grounded.

If you have cable, disconnect it and see if the problem clears up. That's a common source of trouble (and there are techniques online for dealing with cable problems).
post #3774 of 10241
Is this the correct place to ask questions about the Remote capability of the ios App? I understand that an HD version for Ipads has not yet been released but was curious as to the capability of the system. Plan is for the 105 to be the Preamp in what I am proposing.

Will it allow for the user to pick between inputs 14) Optical 15) Coax 16) USB ? I assume there is full volume control as well?
Edited by damon - 2/20/13 at 11:25am
post #3775 of 10241
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

It depends on your room layout. In my case, I had to rewire the living room, but that was because the components were 40+ feet apart.

If you can plug everything into a common outlet, that's a start. You can get a cheapo wiring tester at a hardware store to check if your outlets are properly grounded.

If you have cable, disconnect it and see if the problem clears up. That's a common source of trouble (and there are techniques online for dealing with cable problems).

When I disconnected the cable, the noise went away. As long as I leave the cable disconnected.............. I'm good wink.gif hmmm
post #3776 of 10241
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Originally Posted by music first View Post

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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

. . . .
If you have cable, disconnect it and see if the problem clears up. That's a common source of trouble (and there are techniques online for dealing with cable problems).

When I disconnected the cable, the noise went away. As long as I leave the cable disconnected.............. I'm good wink.gif hmmm

This is a very common situation these days. Basically the shield of the cable TV feed is picking up garbage as it shares the poles outside with power lines and such. That garbage is supposed to be drained to ground by a proper ground connection where the cable TV feed enters your house, but these are often not installed correctly. That ground connection also provides a way for garbage to drain that might be picked up by the feed wire's shield along its length inside your house. That can fail if the plugs are not properly attached to the cable, or not screwed in tight, so that the shield of the cable is not actually connected to the ground where the feed enters your house.

So the first thing to do is to check the ground connections and that the plugs are screwed on tight.

If that still doesn't fix it, then there are cheap gizmos called ground/hum blockers that you can insert in-line on the feed wire coming out the wall. Basically these are little, cylindrical transformers that do not connect the shield from one side to the other. The cable signal passes through the transformer, but any garbage coming in on the cable shield can't get to the other side. Because these are cheap and because cable signals cover a pretty wide range of frequencies, you may find that inserting one of these means you lose signal strength on some channels. So try to fix this by correcting the feed wire grounding first. (NOTE: You can't use these for satellite feed wires because there are DC voltages on satellite wires, which they block, that are used for sending control signals to the satellite dish.)
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 2/20/13 at 11:41am
post #3777 of 10241
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Originally Posted by damon View Post

Is this the correct place to ask questions about the Remote capability of the ios App? I understand that an HD version for Ipads has not yet been released but was curious as to the capability of the system. Plan is for the 105 to be the Preamp in what I am proposing.

Will it allow for the user to pick between inputs 14) Optical 15) Coax 16) USB ? I assume there is full volume control as well?

The current version of the iOS app for the 105 duplicates the functions of the normal remote control. It knows it is connected to a 105 and so it shows the correct set of buttons for a 105.

So, for example, the Volume and Mute buttons are there, as well as the Input button which is used to switch Inputs. There are no added buttons -- i.e., no one button for picking, say, the Coax input. You would do that the same way you would with the normal remote.

OPPO is working on improvements for the iOS app for the 103./105, but no release date has been specified, nor any specific set of upcoming features. But it is expected that improved media file control will be added as well as feedback from the player (i.e., display time code and track info for what's currently playing).

It is also expected that OPPO will publish the network control protocol (once they've got it done) so that other people can use it in apps they create.
--Bob
post #3778 of 10241
Thanks Bob,

"you would have to do that the same way you would with the normal remote". Not quite understanding this. The option will show up on the screen just no macro option?

A rather interesting friend has the odd situation of 3 separate two channel zones.
My plan is to utilize the different inputs of 14,15,16 for him to keep control.

Note: only 2 zones will have video displays.
post #3779 of 10241
This is fresh from Jin Pi of Oppo. He helped me with a project ages ago.

"The current implementation of the iOS and Android remote controls emulate the standard IR commands of the player. So you will need to press the INPUT button then:
 
a)      1-8 to switch between the available inputs, with the number representing the location of the input on the drop down box. For example, 1 is “Blu-ray” and 2 is “HDMI In Front”.
b)      UP or DOWN to highlight the input then ENTER to make the selection.
c)      INPUT continuously until the input has been selected.
 
Yes, there is volume control on it, just like the physical remote.
 
We are working on a more advanced iOS and Android remote Apps, especially for media play. But I don’t have any idea when they will be ready to release.
 
post #3780 of 10241
^ What he said. Use his method (1) for the zones without video.
--Bob
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