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post #3841 of 5659
2/23/13 at 1:36pm
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First of all, welcome to AVS and to this Thread!

When you plug in the Headphone jack, all other audio outputs are muted.

When the Headphones are not plugged in, all audio outputs are normally live, simultaneously. Generally speaking, there is no need to turn off the audio outputs you are not using. If they are not cabled, there's no harm in leaving them active. If they are cabled, then simply select a different input on whatever they are cabled into.

You CAN turn off HDMI digital audio output separately (set HDMI Audio OFF). You can not turn off the Optical/Coax S/PDIF digital outputs separately, nor the Analog outputs.
--Bob

Thank you, Bob.

I've been reading the online pdf manual and it appears that utilizing Pure Audio only turns off the video processing.

Have you, and / or have others, heard a difference in SQ when utilizing Pure Audio?
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post #3842 of 5659
2/23/13 at 1:53pm
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Thanks very much for your advice.

The Jriver iPad app for song search and navigation is very appealing, compared to sitting in front of a 50" plasma TV that is always on, even just for finding music.

In the set-up you have, it sounds like you're sending music files from your computer in to the OPPO 105 via ethernet. Is that right?

In my case, I want to put all the FLAC song files on a hard drive and plug that drive directly into the OPPO 105 - no computer in the set-up.

Will this still work with the iPad Jriver app you describe?

Many thanks

Have done it both ways with hard drive attached to oppo via USB, and over Ethernet from my upstairs HTPC that has jriver server running as service in background. Can say from experience the Ethernet method much simpler for several reasons. No need to always copy or transfer files to the attached external drive each time I download new music. The 192/24 lossless music file from hdtracks for Norah jones come away with me album is 1.8GB. Don't know whether or not you will update the external hard drive using thumb drive or network. I started out transfering with thumb drive which became a pita so I went to gigabit network because I wanted the purest files into the asynchronous USB on the oppo. But when I discovered the jriver media center with option to run jriver server to push music files to the 105 as a DLNA renderer, no audible difference I could hear so no more need for external hard drive to oppo USB.

The jriver remote requires jriver server to run on the network somewhere, and it uses a DLNA feature called "pushing" to play the music file to the 105. Can you get an Ethernet cable to your Oppo to try it this way.
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post #3843 of 5659
2/23/13 at 6:40pm

One of the very few balanced reviews by Brian Bloom of the BDP-105 with plusses and minuses most users experience in normal usage:

 

Despite the ads, the Oppo BDP-105 is not the “one player to rule them all” yet still offered fine, stable, consistent performance from disc playback—both audio and video. Personally I would stay away from the network streaming as the 105 lacks a simple, easy-to-use, nice-looking interface at best and the machine would lock up/fail to play at worst. It offers some interesting features (like the 4K scaling, MHL input, multiple USB inputs and HDMI switching) that will likely only benefit a small section of the population. For those looking to use it as a dedicated CD player or DAC the results were encouraging—it will hold its own in its price range. I still believe superior performance can be achieved from dedicated separates, but at a much higher cost. As a headphone amplifier it was also very good, but limiting in some ways. Knowing this, most of those who invest in the 105 will be more than happy with its performance given its price. For those who aren’t interested in using it for its analog outputs, the BDP-103 offers the same video performance (from what I understand) and is considerably less expensive and worth consideration.

 

http://audaud.com/2013/02/oppo-bdp-105-universal-3d-blu-ray-player/

 

When the 95 came out, i was lucky that i had no bugs or never experienced what others were seeing in their units. But with the 105, i'm almost guaranteed a lock up or a power down reset once a week, at the least, if not more.

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post #3844 of 5659
2/23/13 at 9:21pm
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One of the very few balanced reviews by Brian Bloom of the BDP-105 with plusses and minuses most users experience in normal usage

"Just for fun I directly connected the 105 to my amplifier and bypassed my preamplifier/processor entirely. [...] There are quite a few limitations however."

"At 0 there was no sound, but at a setting of 1 (of 100) it was already louder than some might like (when listening at low levels)."

I question this. Has anyone with a direct connection between the 105 and power amps had the same experience? If not, could you perhaps email the author?

"Some of the other issues may include: (1) Inability to use surround modes like Dolby Pro-Logic on DD 2.0 tracks. These would be common on older films, satellite TV, etc. (2) No processing choices for music that some people like (aside from the DTS Neo option) like 5-channel stereo, club modes, etc. (3) Not enough source inputs. A game system, satellite box and you are already full up on the HDMI inputs (assuming you use the front and if not, then only one source via HDMI). (4) No analog upconversion/scaling/video processing as there are no analog inputs. For those with a Wii, laserdisc player, VCR, etc. this could be an issue. (5) One of the biggest reasons for many people not to do this is the inability to do any sort of room correction using Audyssey, ARC, YPAO, MCACC, Room Perfect, Trinnov, and any others I forgot without an external processor and multiple A/D D/A processes. (6) Ability to have different subwoofer levels for different surround modes and/or the ability to run multiple subs at different levels or (electronic) crossover frequencies."

Points (1), (2), and (5) seem like reasons not to get a 105 at all. I don't see what they have to do with directly connection to amps vs. going through a processor. A processor would be required for 1, 2, and 3, but in that case the analog outputs of the 105 are useless because they'll just be subjected to a A/D/A conversion.

It sounds like he doesn't really understand the point of the 105, and should focus on reviewing the 103.

I don't get his point (6).

His point (3) can be addressed with an HDMI switch, but he's correct that more HDMI inputs could make the 105 more flexible.
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post #3845 of 5659
2/23/13 at 10:31pm
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One of the very few balanced reviews by Brian Bloom of the BDP-105 with plusses and minuses most users experience in normal usage


"Just for fun I directly connected the 105 to my amplifier and bypassed my preamplifier/processor entirely. [...] There are quite a few limitations however."

"At 0 there was no sound, but at a setting of 1 (of 100) it was already louder than some might like (when listening at low levels)."

I question this. Has anyone with a direct connection between the 105 and power amps had the same experience? If not, could you perhaps email the author?

 

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Yes, a few posters here on AVS have had the same problem. With a volume level of 0, the 105 mutes as expected. At a volume level of 1, the outputs of their amps were blasting loud. The solution has been either to go through a preamp(which adds more color to the sound, however inadible it may be) or they've added audiophile quality attenuators at the Oppo outputs.

 

Amplifiers with higher than normal gain will be susceptible to this phenomenon...

 

Another nugget of info...

The picture menu has a wealth of adjustments including the standard brightness, contrast, hue, saturation, sharpness, noise reduction, color enhancement and contrast enhancement. These are separately adjustable for both HDMI outputs. I would leave them centered and adjust in the display. The only control I tried was the sharpness. I had read that “+1” was the correct setting. This was not the case. On the 100” screen (with the DVE sharpness pattern displayed), moving the sharpness from 0 to +1 clearly introduced ringing in the image.


Edited by dmusoke - 2/23/13 at 10:45pm
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post #3846 of 5659
2/23/13 at 11:01pm
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I don't get his point (6).
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(6) Ability to have different subwoofer levels for different surround modes and/or the ability to run multiple subs at different levels or (electronic) crossover frequencies.
It is not uncommon to set up a surround system with different profiles for music and movies, with as the writer said, different levels in the subwoofer. I happen to do so myself with +6 dB in music mode.

Aside from that, he's suggesting having dual sub outputs brings flexibility options for configuring multiple subs.
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post #3847 of 5659
2/24/13 at 2:15am
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Originally Posted by lesliew View Post

The next build of XBMC (13) should allow you to play media files not only locally but will have the ability to push the media file to a compatible uPnP enabled device.

Imagine that you could use XBMC running on your iOS or android device to select a media file and play. Instead of it playing on your portable device it immediately plays the media file on your Oppo with full transport controls. Allows your portable device running XBMC to become a very sophisticated networked remote or Digital Media Controller (DMC)

I have been following this development and was reporting on progress as it applied to the Oppo.

A few new acronym's that you will increasing see banded about

DMR - Digital Media Renderer (Oppo)
DMS - Digital Media Server (Twonky Media / Plex Server)
DMC - Digital Media Controller (XBMC, skifta)

brevity is indeed a virtue we all can aspire to but admittedly can sometimes be unhelpful

Thanks lesliew for the explanation. I certainly can see the convenience of this. I am sure at some point I will get more into this, especially if I get the Oppo 105 that has the additional capabilities that my current source player does not have.
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post #3848 of 5659
2/24/13 at 8:10am
Regarding the 8 analog outs...

Using the 105 with an emotiva UMC-200 processor, I have only 6 of the 8 analog connections made because I do not have a center or left rear speaker.

When I cycle through the speaker level check on the 105, I get no output for the center or either rear speaker. Shouldn't the 105 drive both front speakers when the "center speaker" level is selected? And why don't either of the rear speakers have the test tone?

Thanks so much for any clarification/advice!
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post #3849 of 5659
2/24/13 at 8:26am
I have recently purchased the 105 and love the CD, Blu Ray, external DAC. Playing computer music files thru the USB to the external DAC is great. I have recently come across a problem with the coaxial input though. I currently use a Music Hall 25.3 DAC for my computer and iPAD (running thru a Cambridge Audio iD100 Dock). This dock bypasses the internal DAC of the iPAD and sends out a digital signal. It works great thru the Music Hall but when I connected it to the 105 (via coaxial) , I get cut outs every 10-15 seconds. The music drops out.

Is this a sampling issue, setting issue, firmware update?

Anyone have a suggestion?

Thanks,
Bob
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post #3850 of 5659
2/24/13 at 9:35am
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Regarding the 8 analog outs...

Using the 105 with an emotiva UMC-200 processor, I have only 6 of the 8 analog connections made because I do not have a center or left rear speaker.

When I cycle through the speaker level check on the 105, I get no output for the center or either rear speaker. Shouldn't the 105 drive both front speakers when the "center speaker" level is selected? And why don't either of the rear speakers have the test tone?

Thanks so much for any clarification/advice!

I don't know about the single rear speaker but since you have no center speaker, there is no level to set for that speaker. The Oppo is quite literal about a center speaker.
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post #3851 of 5659
2/24/13 at 9:40am
Thanks, if so, how do you level-match the phantom center if the 105 is not creating it from the LR?
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post #3852 of 5659
2/24/13 at 9:58am
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Thanks, if so, how do you level-match the phantom center if the 105 is not creating it from the LR?

You don't.  You need to rely on the signal mixing and speaker setup.  

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post #3853 of 5659
2/24/13 at 10:23am
Same for the rear, I suppose. I'll try a calibration disc with test tones. Thanks.
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post #3854 of 5659
2/24/13 at 11:17am
[quote name="Regnad" url="/t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/3870
post_23004992"]Thanks, if so, how do you level-match the phantom center if the 105 is not creating it from the LR?[/quote]

If you don't have a center channel speaker, the phantom center would have to be created from the LR. There is no way you can calibrate the relative loudness of a phantom speaker.
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post #3855 of 5659
2/24/13 at 2:17pm
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However, my Onkyo PR-SC5507 was not very good at delilvering LCPM via HDMI so this pream sounded much better via XLR converted back to digital for processing than it did via HDMI.

Go figure.

- Rich

It's me again. My WAF has said I'm not increasing to 7.1, I'll be staying at 5.1. Please let me know what you think about the Blue Sky Bass Management System for the Oppo BDP-105. I can't find any reviews yet, but some should be out soon. Maybe there are some other alteratives that would be better.
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post #3856 of 5659
2/24/13 at 2:28pm
I am very happy with my 5.1 system.
When referring to 7.1, I am describing the output.

I am not familiar with that bass management system.

- Rich
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post #3857 of 5659
2/24/13 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by Rjad3 View Post

I have recently purchased the 105 and love the CD, Blu Ray, external DAC. Playing computer music files thru the USB to the external DAC is great. I have recently come across a problem with the coaxial input though. I currently use a Music Hall 25.3 DAC for my computer and iPAD (running thru a Cambridge Audio iD100 Dock). This dock bypasses the internal DAC of the iPAD and sends out a digital signal. It works great thru the Music Hall but when I connected it to the 105 (via coaxial) , I get cut outs every 10-15 seconds. The music drops out.

Is this a sampling issue, setting issue, firmware update?

Anyone have a suggestion?

Thanks,
Bob

I've had problems with the digital inputs on the Oppo with about half of the things I've tried plugging into it. I think it just has a narrow lock range and/or an oscillator with little pull range. I hope that they can fix this issue with a firmware update, if not I hope they off to recall it to replace whatever components are the problem. I think it's silly that it can't lock on to everything; I've owned six DACs over the years and have never had one that couldn't lock to every source.
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post #3858 of 5659
2/24/13 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by Regnad View Post

Regarding the 8 analog outs...

Using the 105 with an emotiva UMC-200 processor, I have only 6 of the 8 analog connections made because I do not have a center or left rear speaker.

When I cycle through the speaker level check on the 105, I get no output for the center or either rear speaker. Shouldn't the 105 drive both front speakers when the "center speaker" level is selected? And why don't either of the rear speakers have the test tone?

Thanks so much for any clarification/advice!

In the current firmware the 103/105 players (like older OPPO players) CAN NOT PRODUCE A PHANTOM CENTER SPEAKER on the multi-channel Analog outputs and ALSO handle rear speakers. I.e., the player can do a 4.1 configuration (no Center), but when you turn Center to OFF the player will also force Left Rear and Right Rear to OFF.

The technical reasons for this are complicated, so I won't try to go into them, except to say that OPPO Engineering is looking into the possibility of removing this restriction for the 103/105 players in future firmware.

So that's why your single Rear speaker was silent. As for attempting to play the internal test tone through your non-existent Center speaker, it of course does not play because there is no Center speaker. I.e., there is no separate volume trim for the phantom Center speaker as it is derived from the volume trims for Left Front and Right Front. For the same reason, there's no separate distance adjustment for the phantom Center. To hear the phantom Center speaker play and confirm things are working as desired you can use a calibration disc, such as the LPCM test tracks from AIX Calibration, Blu-ray.
--Bob
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post #3859 of 5659
2/24/13 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

"Just for fun I directly connected the 105 to my amplifier and bypassed my preamplifier/processor entirely. [...] There are quite a few limitations however."

"At 0 there was no sound, but at a setting of 1 (of 100) it was already louder than some might like (when listening at low levels)."

I question this. Has anyone with a direct connection between the 105 and power amps had the same experience? If not, could you perhaps email the author?

"Some of the other issues may include: (1) Inability to use surround modes like Dolby Pro-Logic on DD 2.0 tracks. These would be common on older films, satellite TV, etc. (2) No processing choices for music that some people like (aside from the DTS Neo option) like 5-channel stereo, club modes, etc. (3) Not enough source inputs. A game system, satellite box and you are already full up on the HDMI inputs (assuming you use the front and if not, then only one source via HDMI). (4) No analog upconversion/scaling/video processing as there are no analog inputs. For those with a Wii, laserdisc player, VCR, etc. this could be an issue. (5) One of the biggest reasons for many people not to do this is the inability to do any sort of room correction using Audyssey, ARC, YPAO, MCACC, Room Perfect, Trinnov, and any others I forgot without an external processor and multiple A/D D/A processes. (6) Ability to have different subwoofer levels for different surround modes and/or the ability to run multiple subs at different levels or (electronic) crossover frequencies."

Points (1), (2), and (5) seem like reasons not to get a 105 at all. I don't see what they have to do with directly connection to amps vs. going through a processor. A processor would be required for 1, 2, and 3, but in that case the analog outputs of the 105 are useless because they'll just be subjected to a A/D/A conversion.

It sounds like he doesn't really understand the point of the 105, and should focus on reviewing the 103.

I don't get his point (6).

His point (3) can be addressed with an HDMI switch, but he's correct that more HDMI inputs could make the 105 more flexible.

I have the direct to amp volume "issue" as well. However, the other residents missed the pre amp control ease of use so it's back in the chain. Next to that I missed the quick up and down, volume control.
The reviewer u r quoting seems to believe in fairy tales. I'm a sucker for separates and have paid more for a single unit doing just the one thing, than the cost of the OPPO which does a lot real nicely. In the analogue days the difference was a lot bigger and easier to descern between units and brands. Now we cannot find the right words anymore to describe a difference. The digital age is changing the complete paradigm. Look at the Devialet. Never heard an amp that small, churning out such drive and it does not even run warm. We r in for a treat and this OPPO is a front runner in this as well. It is capable of doing things no other player combines. Yes, there are so many more things a pre/pro can do. Fine, I have not seen it marketed as a pre amp either. It is a kick butt device and there has yet to be a true challenger. I'm enjoying it and want to learn about it by reading the experiences shared here. Once you own one, a review stating another opinion is close to useless. A review sharing the experiences however, is key Im absolutely looking forward to the next best thing, but till then the 105 is king in my house smile.gif
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post #3860 of 5659
2/24/13 at 3:50pm
^ The Analog output Volume control on the 105 attenuates Volume by -0.5dB for every step. Volume 0 is implemented as Mute.

So Volume 1 is 99 steps below full output reference level or just under -50dB down.

If -50dB down is not enough attenuation given the sensitivity of your directly connected power amplifier, then you will need to add external attenuators between the OPPO and the power amp (or adjust an input sensitivity control in the power amp itself).

Note also that the XLR outputs are the standard +6dB louder than the RCA outputs. So they start off 12 Volume steps higher.
--Bob
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post #3861 of 5659
2/24/13 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Rjad3 View Post

I have recently purchased the 105 and love the CD, Blu Ray, external DAC. Playing computer music files thru the USB to the external DAC is great. I have recently come across a problem with the coaxial input though. I currently use a Music Hall 25.3 DAC for my computer and iPAD (running thru a Cambridge Audio iD100 Dock). This dock bypasses the internal DAC of the iPAD and sends out a digital signal. It works great thru the Music Hall but when I connected it to the 105 (via coaxial) , I get cut outs every 10-15 seconds. The music drops out.

Is this a sampling issue, setting issue, firmware update?

Anyone have a suggestion?

Thanks,
Bob

I've had problems with the digital inputs on the Oppo with about half of the things I've tried plugging into it. I think it just has a narrow lock range and/or an oscillator with little pull range. I hope that they can fix this issue with a firmware update, if not I hope they off to recall it to replace whatever components are the problem. I think it's silly that it can't lock on to everything; I've owned six DACs over the years and have never had one that couldn't lock to every source.

The two of you should write up the details of what you've had problems with and send and email to OPPO Tech Support.

It is, I suppose, possible that you have a hardware fault in your players (i.e., if OPPO knows the devices you are trying SHOULD work), but even if not, details on what's giving grief will help to get things fixed.
--Bob
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post #3862 of 5659
2/24/13 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by videoray View Post

It's me again. My WAF has said I'm not increasing to 7.1, I'll be staying at 5.1. Please let me know what you think about the Blue Sky Bass Management System for the Oppo BDP-105. I can't find any reviews yet, but some should be out soon. Maybe there are some other alteratives that would be better.

I have been using a Velodyne SMS-1 (Subwoofer Management System) for several years. You might check it out. Looks to be about half the price of the Blue Sky. http://velodyne.com/sms-1-digitalmanagement-system.html

If you are using the 105 as your pre/pro, you will need an analog to digital converter to use the SMS-1's calibration. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005F20756/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
After calibration is completed your can pull the converter out of the hook up.
Edited by elphillips - 2/24/13 at 4:20pm
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2/24/13 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by davidrds View Post

I've been reading the online pdf manual and it appears that utilizing Pure Audio only turns off the video processing.

Have you, and / or have others, heard a difference in SQ when utilizing Pure Audio?

In my case I have not. I use Pure Audio mode quite a lot as a simple way to blank the video screen. And so I'm going in and out of Pure mode frequently, and I've yet to detect a change in audio quality in either my 5.1 Analog configuration or with HDMI audio.
--Bob
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post #3864 of 5659
2/24/13 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

To hear the phantom Center speaker play and confirm things are working as desired you can use a calibration disc, such as the LPCM test tracks from AIX Calibration, Blu-ray.
--Bob

I do get an appropriate center channel with that disc, however there is no rear surround with the AIX 7.1 tracks or the other discs I have with discrete 7.1 sound (Finding Nemo, Prometheus and a Rachmaninov concert). The AIX disc plays the surrounds when the rear surrounds should be on. So I'm clear... If I have the center set for phantom (off), I will not get any rear surround signal?

Another oddity is that the DTS tracks on the AIX disc play at a whisper. This is too confusing!

I am intrigued by your use of "restriction", is/was there a reason other than technical?

Thanks!
Edited by Regnad - 2/24/13 at 4:31pm
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post #3865 of 5659
2/24/13 at 4:35pm
^ Correct. No Analog Rear Speakers if Center is OFF.

It is a restriction inherent in the Analog audio processing in the current firmware (also found in prior OPPO players). There's more processor flexibility in the 103/105, and I know OPPO is looking to see if that restriction can be lifted in future firmware. No promises of course.
--Bob
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post #3866 of 5659
2/24/13 at 6:37pm
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In my case I have not. I use Pure Audio mode quite a lot as a simple way to blank the video screen. And so I'm going in and out of Pure mode frequently, and I've yet to detect a change in audio quality in either my 5.1 Analog configuration or with HDMI audio.
--Bob
+1.......what he said. My same exact experience and I too use Pure Audio allot.
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post #3867 of 5659
2/24/13 at 6:49pm
^ Of course that's the desired result. If the audio design is "perfect" there SHOULD be no difference in audio quality according to whether or not the video and front panel circuits are also active.

Realistically, all we can really say is that any actual difference is subtle.
--Bob
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post #3868 of 5659
2/24/13 at 6:59pm
Bob Pariseau,
Just for clarification, would I better off lowering the trim levels to negative and leave the volume at 100, or just lower the volume and leave the trims 0 to prevent this clipping issue I have with my preamp. Thanks
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post #3869 of 5659
2/24/13 at 7:32pm
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Bob Pariseau,
Just for clarification, would I better off lowering the trim levels to negative and leave the volume at 100, or just lower the volume and leave the trims 0 to prevent this clipping issue I have with my preamp. Thanks
If your trims are already all at 0dB or below now, then I'd leave them right were they are and just adjust the main, Analog output Volume setting for the OPPO as needed to prevent clipping the Analog input of the preamp when playing louder content.

My expectation would be that you won't have to lower Volume very much to accomplish this (perhaps just a few steps). Keep in mind that each Volume step on the 105 is an attenuation of -0.5dB.
--Bob
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post #3870 of 5659
2/24/13 at 7:35pm
Thanks again Bob!
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