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post #3871 of 5650
2/24/13 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Of course that's the desired result. If the audio design is "perfect" there SHOULD be no difference in audio quality according to whether or not the video and front panel circuits are also active.

Realistically, all we can really say is that any actual difference is subtle.
--Bob

I thought I read where "Pure Audio" mode simply defeated the video outputs to reduce any possible noise they may introduce, which probably wouldn't be noticeable since the noise floor is so low already?
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post #3872 of 5650
2/25/13 at 4:54am
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"I'm a sucker for separates and have paid more for a single unit doing just the one thing, than the cost of the OPPO which does a lot real nicely. In the analogue days the difference was a lot bigger and easier to descern between units and brands. Now we cannot find the right words anymore to describe a difference. The digital age is changing the complete paradigm. Look at the Devialet. Never heard an amp that small, churning out such drive and it does not even run warm. We r in for a treat and this OPPO is a front runner in this as well. It is capable of doing things no other player combines. Yes, there are so many more things a pre/pro can do. Fine, I have not seen it marketed as a pre amp either. It is a kick butt device and there has yet to be a true challenger. I'm enjoying it and want to learn about it by reading the experiences shared here. Once you own one, a review stating another opinion is close to useless. A review sharing the experiences however, is key Im absolutely looking forward to the next best thing, but till then the 105 is king in my house smile.gif

Kudos to Toykyo Dodo on a well stated comment. +1 to the value of reported experiences vs. another review opinion.
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post #3873 of 5650
2/25/13 at 7:16am
I'm having issues streaming films over my LAN to my 105EU.

I'm running Windows 8 Enterprise on a fresh install media server. I've installed JRiver MC18 and have set it up as a DLNA server with DLNA rendering, controller and server abilities.

The 105 and the mediaserver are both cabled (cat 6) to the same ethernet gigabit switch (Netgear XAV5004) which is a 4-Port Powerline AV 500 adpater.

The 105 shows up as a renderer in Jriver. If I select a .flac music file and right click "Play To Oppo BDP-105" all my music files play fine over the Oppo. With films it is different. Right click, "Play to Oppo..." on some files results in the film playing without problem through the Oppo. In other cases the Oppo spinning wheel progress indicator stalls out at 13% and the film file does not get passed off to the Oppo.

I am still experimenting with the conditions where things stall out but at the moment it seems that this happens primarily, if not entirely with .mkv files and possibly with larger files.

The above applies to trying to play files via the DLNA renderer route. If I try via SMB using the Oppo interface I also have a similar issue....best I can tell accessing the files on the server via SMB works for all file types (I did just have an 8 GB BDMV file play over SMB no problem), but .mkv files do not seem to play.

Is anyone aware of whether there is a Windows 8 specific issue regarding streaming of .mkv files? Apparently Microsoft is using the next iteration of SMB on Win 8 (SMB 3.0) - could this be a compatability issue in the event the Oppo is only set up to work with SMB 2 or 2.2 which for some reason only affects .mkv files?

Finally, does anyone out there have a Win 8 server streaming .mkv files either over SMB or via the DLNA renderer route to the Oppo?

Thanks for any ideas and comments, I am stumped,

Dave M
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post #3874 of 5650
2/25/13 at 7:28am
Interesting. I've had no problems feeding a sonos through the coax digital, and my tv audio thorugh the toslink. There must be some chit chat issue between your device and the oppo dac.
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post #3875 of 5650
2/25/13 at 7:58am
Hi Dave:

How fast is the uplink and downlink speed according to Powerline Utility ?

Depend on the distance and Powerline condition, you may not achieve the speed to support video steaming but it's fast enough for audio streaming.

You can download the Powerline Utility from the product page:

http://support.netgear.com/product/XAV5004

Joe
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post #3876 of 5650
2/25/13 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by videoray View Post

It's me again. My WAF has said I'm not increasing to 7.1, I'll be staying at 5.1. Please let me know what you think about the Blue Sky Bass Management System for the Oppo BDP-105. I can't find any reviews yet, but some should be out soon. Maybe there are some other alteratives that would be better.

Not sure what you want to do, but I've been investigating the miniDSP line of products recently. They are very intriguing.
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post #3877 of 5650
2/25/13 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

I thought I read where "Pure Audio" mode simply defeated the video outputs to reduce any possible noise they may introduce, which probably wouldn't be noticeable since the noise floor is so low already?

From the 105 manual...

Pure Audio Mode
You can enjoy higher quality audio by turning off the video processing and output. The Pure Audio mode reduces any potential interference between the video and audio signals.
1. Press the PURE AUDIO button on the remote control to turn off video and enter Pure Audio mode. Video output will cease, the power light will dim and the front panel displays will turn off.
2. Press the PURE AUDIO button again to resume video and cancel Pure Audio mode.

NOTE
Pure Audio mode is automatically canceled when the unit is switched off or when playback is
stopped.
Because HDMI carries audio together with video, the HDMI video signal cannot be completely
turned off. A black screen is transmitted instead to minimize any potential interference.


This seems contradicatory, isn't sending black frames still video output? I use this mode often just to prevent plasma burn in...but have not noticed any audio difference.
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post #3878 of 5650
2/25/13 at 10:14am
^ The theory is to reduce interference inside the chassis due to the digital processing circuits being activated. As stated, HDMI Audio is not a separate signal. It is embedded in the "blanking intervals" of an HDMI Video signal. So to get HDMI Audio there HAS TO BE HDMI video. Always. But the black screen output during Pure Mode is generated by the output stage. The video processor is inactive, as is the front panel.

As I stated, if the audio circuits in the player are "perfect" in their design, it will make no difference whether Pure Mode is engaged or not, as part of that perfection would be a total lack of interference effects inside the chassis. So the DESIRED situation is that you can not hear any change in audio between Pure Mode ON/OFF.

Theoretically, sending an unchanging black video screen to the downstream devices *might* also improve their ability to handle audio more cleanly since there's nothing for their own video processing circuitry to do (except for extracting the audio from the black video and passing on the black video). Again, the desired state of affairs is that it DOESN'T make a difference (i.e., that the design of the AVR is, itself, "perfect").

I really don't know whether OPPO has been able to detect a difference on the lab bench. As posted above, I don't hear a difference. I tend to think of Pure Mode as something of a "check off" item. I.e., other top quality players include it, so the OPPO players would be at a market disadvantage if they didn't include it -- even if it produces no practical change.

I just think of it as a convenient way to blank the video screen -- particularly useful for plasma owners.
--Bob
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post #3879 of 5650
2/25/13 at 11:02am
I tend to think of this kind of thing as being there to appeal to the widespread (but largely unproven, IMO) audiophile belief that "less is more" and eliminating things like video, tone controls, etc. leads to improved sound. Maybe.
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post #3880 of 5650
2/25/13 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post.......I really don't know whether OPPO has been able to detect a difference on the lab bench. As posted above, I don't hear a difference. I tend to think of Pure Mode as something of a "check off" item. I.e., other top quality players include it, so the OPPO players would be at a market disadvantage if they didn't include it -- even if it produces no practical change.

I just think of it as a convenient way to blank the video screen -- particularly useful for plasma owners.
--Bob

 

So when using the XLR stereo is there any signal sent to the HDMi?

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post #3881 of 5650
2/25/13 at 11:50am
All outputs are active simultaneously on Oppo BR players so the answer is yes. I don't know though if this requires that something be plugged into the specific output or not.
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post #3882 of 5650
2/25/13 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So when using the XLR stereo is there any signal sent to the HDMi?

The HDMI output signal (both video and audio) is muted on each socket if the HDMI connection from that socket is not "live". This would of course be the case if nothing is cabled to that socket, but is also TYPICALLY the case if the thing at the other end of the cable is OFF or has been set to listen on a different input. I say "typically" because some devices keep non-selected sockets live -- even when the device is supposedly OFF. Basically, if there's nothing on the other end of the cable to respond to an HDMI handshake, then no video or audio can be sent, and so the output is muted until a handshake can happen.
--Bob
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post #3883 of 5650
2/25/13 at 12:09pm
But you can set HDMI audio to off (Audio Format Setup-->HDMI Audio-->Off).
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post #3884 of 5650
2/25/13 at 2:35pm
Is there a way for a consumer to get his Oppo on a bench for spec measurement? I don't have a Spectrum Analyzer on my budget this year (facetious)
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post #3885 of 5650
2/25/13 at 2:38pm
/Quote]Since my OPPO is part of a HT system, I'm happy to have the big plasma TV be the screen that I use for visual search and navigation of this new music data base. I know it won't have the "iTune's app look to it - that's OK - BUT, WILL IT WORK AT ALL? In anyone doing this now, and how is it working for you?
[/Quote] Use my iPad instead having to turn on my big Kuro plasma and heat up the room.

Do you leave your Kuro on when playing back a playlist, or do you turn it off?
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post #3886 of 5650
2/25/13 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by beatmachine View Post

/Quote]Since my OPPO is part of a HT system, I'm happy to have the big plasma TV be the screen that I use for visual search and navigation of this new music data base. I know it won't have the "iTune's app look to it - that's OK - BUT, WILL IT WORK AT ALL? In anyone doing this now, and how is it working for you?
Use my iPad instead having to turn on my big Kuro plasma and heat up the room.

Do you leave your Kuro on when playing back a playlist, or do you turn it off?[/quote]

I Turn my Kuro off when playing back a playlist using jriver server and Jremote. In fact I'm sitting outside on my patio right now and making music choices on my iPad.
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post #3887 of 5650
2/25/13 at 4:52pm

I am looking for some one who owns B&W 800Diamond and has the BDP-105 plugged in straight to the amps?

 

How is the sound?

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post #3888 of 5650
2/26/13 at 4:54am
I am using B&W nautilus 801 with Oppo 105 straight to power amp and the sound is just so mesmerizing, detailed, smooth natural and you can listen deeper into the recording and hear the decay, sound bouncing off the back wall etc etc. It's the best I have ever heard and absolutely transparent. I am sure you wil love it on your 800 diamond and mayb even more.
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post #3889 of 5650
2/26/13 at 6:04am
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Originally Posted by dave in gva View Post

I'm having issues streaming films over my LAN to my 105EU.

I'm running Windows 8 Enterprise on a fresh install media server. I've installed JRiver MC18 and have set it up as a DLNA server with DLNA rendering, controller and server abilities.

The 105 and the mediaserver are both cabled (cat 6) to the same ethernet gigabit switch (Netgear XAV5004) which is a 4-Port Powerline AV 500 adpater.

The 105 shows up as a renderer in Jriver. If I select a .flac music file and right click "Play To Oppo BDP-105" all my music files play fine over the Oppo. With films it is different. Right click, "Play to Oppo..." on some files results in the film playing without problem through the Oppo. In other cases the Oppo spinning wheel progress indicator stalls out at 13% and the film file does not get passed off to the Oppo.

I am still experimenting with the conditions where things stall out but at the moment it seems that this happens primarily, if not entirely with .mkv files and possibly with larger files.

The above applies to trying to play files via the DLNA renderer route. If I try via SMB using the Oppo interface I also have a similar issue....best I can tell accessing the files on the server via SMB works for all file types (I did just have an 8 GB BDMV file play over SMB no problem), but .mkv files do not seem to play.

Is anyone aware of whether there is a Windows 8 specific issue regarding streaming of .mkv files? Apparently Microsoft is using the next iteration of SMB on Win 8 (SMB 3.0) - could this be a compatability issue in the event the Oppo is only set up to work with SMB 2 or 2.2 which for some reason only affects .mkv files?

Finally, does anyone out there have a Win 8 server streaming .mkv files either over SMB or via the DLNA renderer route to the Oppo?

Thanks for any ideas and comments, I am stumped,

Dave M

Posting this in case anyone has the same issue I had. I finally got JRiver streaming mkv files (as well as all other file types apart from bdmv) by going into the DLNA server configuration in JRiver and making the following changes:

Video MimeType Override: video/x-mkv
Video DLNA Override: MPEG_TS

And setting:
Video Conversion: Never Convert

This has done away with the previous issues I had above of hanging when attempting the DLNA renderer route. For what its worth I looked more closely at the SMB side of things as well and I think there is a flag issue with the majority of my mkv files. I may look at that more deeply in the future but my aim has always been to use the DLNA renderer route and JRemote anyway so may stop here.

Best,

Dave M
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post #3890 of 5650
2/26/13 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by tanwn1 View Post I am using B&W nautilus 801 with Oppo 105 straight to power amp and the sound is just so mesmerizing, detailed, smooth natural and you can listen deeper into the recording and hear the decay, sound bouncing off the back wall etc etc. It's the best I have ever heard and absolutely transparent. I am sure you wil love it on your 800 diamond and mayb even more.

 

What amps do you use?

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post #3891 of 5650
2/26/13 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I am looking for some one who owns B&W 800Diamond and has the BDP-105 plugged in straight to the amps?

How is the sound?

Right now I have the Oppo _almost _ going straight to the Amp (Using Lexicon MC12B in 2 channel pass-through). The Amp is a Lexicon LX-7. Speakers are 801 Nautilus, so also not directly comparable to an 800 Diamond, but at least in the same family.

I think the speakers have not sounded better to this point, though I am in early stages of listening with the Oppo. What was clear is going from using the Lexicon processing to bypassing it made a great difference - better bass extension and overall better balance and image solidity.

I will try directly connecting the Oppo to the amp and report back.
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post #3892 of 5650
2/26/13 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by mwhealton View Post Right now I have the Oppo _almost _ going straight to the Amp (Using Lexicon MC12B in 2 channel pass-through). The Amp is a Lexicon LX-7. Speakers are 801 Nautilus, so also not directly comparable to an 800 Diamond, but at least in the same family.

I think the speakers have not sounded better to this point, though I am in early stages of listening with the Oppo. What was clear is going from using the Lexicon processing to bypassing it made a great difference - better bass extension and overall better balance and image solidity.

I will try directly connecting the Oppo to the amp and report back.

 

Please do, I tried the XLR as well with the BDP-95 bypass but there is still an element in the chain the SSP-800!

 

Let us know when you do it straight, I am interested to know :)

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post #3893 of 5650
2/26/13 at 11:39am
Regarding the BDP-105 audio/video sync issue - I emailed OPPO about this and got this reply from them today:
"When using the player with external audio and video sources there will be audio and video synchronization errors. These will be corrected in a forthcoming firmware release which should occur in the next half month to month."
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post #3894 of 5650
2/26/13 at 12:51pm
Slightly daft non-crucial issue with Oppo/Netflix here in the UK but happy to take any advice on it.

Netflix crashes from the Oppo when loading a movie-it used to work a bit better than now-previously I had issues streaming from my iMac now I am fine.

Netflix works ok on iPad etc and when I had networking issues Oppo told me to run the player instead I changed DNLA to Twonky and solved the problem-when I spoke to Netflix there they told me to contact Oppo......theOppo seems to do everything via wireless ok except Netflix...go figure.
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post #3895 of 5650
2/26/13 at 3:39pm
Good advice Bob. I recently received this explanation from OPPO......

"Based on our own testing of Apple products, we are assuming at this time that the audio drops are not from the Cambridge Audio iD100 or BDP-105, but from the huge jitter on the SBCLK signal generated by the Apple devices. We have measured up to 377 ns jitter on Apple products. A good value should be less than 10 ns jitter.

High-end DAC chips, like the ESS9018 used in OPPO BDP-105, are very sensitive to these jitter levels, which could result in the DAC failing to lock the input data and lose the audio output.

The audio drops stopping after about 5-10 minutes could be either the Cambridge Audio iD100 or OPPO BDP-105 beeing able to eliminate the jitter and correctly lock the input signal."





So at this point I guess I just warm up the iPad in its dock with the 105 and then start the dinner party [/I]!

Cheers,
Bob
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post #3896 of 5650
2/26/13 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by Rjad3 View Post

Good advice Bob. I recently received this explanation from OPPO......

"Based on our own testing of Apple products, we are assuming at this time that the audio drops are not from the Cambridge Audio iD100 or BDP-105, but from the huge jitter on the SBCLK signal generated by the Apple devices. We have measured up to 377 ns jitter on Apple products. A good value should be less than 10 ns jitter.

High-end DAC chips, like the ESS9018 used in OPPO BDP-105, are very sensitive to these jitter levels, which could result in the DAC failing to lock the input data and lose the audio output.

The audio drops stopping after about 5-10 minutes could be either the Cambridge Audio iD100 or OPPO BDP-105 beeing able to eliminate the jitter and correctly lock the input signal."





So at this point I guess I just warm up the iPad in its dock with the 105 and then start the dinner party [/I]!

Cheers,
Bob
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post #3897 of 5650
2/26/13 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by Process53 View Post

Regarding the BDP-105 audio/video sync issue - I emailed OPPO about this and got this reply from them today:
"When using the player with external audio and video sources there will be audio and video synchronization errors. These will be corrected in a forthcoming firmware release which should occur in the next half month to month."

Relieved ... thanks for the update!

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post #3898 of 5650
2/26/13 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by dave in gva View Post

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Originally Posted by dave in gva View Post

I'm having issues streaming films over my LAN to my 105EU.

I'm running Windows 8 Enterprise on a fresh install media server. I've installed JRiver MC18 and have set it up as a DLNA server with DLNA rendering, controller and server abilities.

The 105 and the mediaserver are both cabled (cat 6) to the same ethernet gigabit switch (Netgear XAV5004) which is a 4-Port Powerline AV 500 adpater.

The 105 shows up as a renderer in Jriver. If I select a .flac music file and right click "Play To Oppo BDP-105" all my music files play fine over the Oppo. With films it is different. Right click, "Play to Oppo..." on some files results in the film playing without problem through the Oppo. In other cases the Oppo spinning wheel progress indicator stalls out at 13% and the film file does not get passed off to the Oppo.

I am still experimenting with the conditions where things stall out but at the moment it seems that this happens primarily, if not entirely with .mkv files and possibly with larger files.

The above applies to trying to play files via the DLNA renderer route. If I try via SMB using the Oppo interface I also have a similar issue....best I can tell accessing the files on the server via SMB works for all file types (I did just have an 8 GB BDMV file play over SMB no problem), but .mkv files do not seem to play.

Is anyone aware of whether there is a Windows 8 specific issue regarding streaming of .mkv files? Apparently Microsoft is using the next iteration of SMB on Win 8 (SMB 3.0) - could this be a compatability issue in the event the Oppo is only set up to work with SMB 2 or 2.2 which for some reason only affects .mkv files?

Finally, does anyone out there have a Win 8 server streaming .mkv files either over SMB or via the DLNA renderer route to the Oppo?

Thanks for any ideas and comments, I am stumped,

Dave M

Posting this in case anyone has the same issue I had. I finally got JRiver streaming mkv files (as well as all other file types apart from bdmv) by going into the DLNA server configuration in JRiver and making the following changes:

Video MimeType Override: video/x-mkv
Video DLNA Override: MPEG_TS

And setting:
Video Conversion: Never Convert

This has done away with the previous issues I had above of hanging when attempting the DLNA renderer route. For what its worth I looked more closely at the SMB side of things as well and I think there is a flag issue with the majority of my mkv files. I may look at that more deeply in the future but my aim has always been to use the DLNA renderer route and JRemote anyway so may stop here.

Best,

Dave M

 

Dave:

 

This is very good and useful information to know. Thanks for your perseverance!

 

Another Dave Msmile.gif!

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post #3899 of 5650
2/26/13 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by beatmachine View Post

Is there a way for a consumer to get his Oppo on a bench for spec measurement? I don't have a Spectrum Analyzer on my budget this year (facetious)

 

You can buy PC based audio spectrum analyzers which you can find via a quick google search ...

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post #3900 of 5650
2/28/13 at 10:09am
I just picked up a BDP-105 this weekend, hot on the heels of a Pioneer Viera VT50 55" plasma. I am running a Pioneer Elite VSX-94TX A/V receiver. Does anyone out there know if an earlier OPPO remote has discrete on/off commands? I know OPPO publishes an Excel spreadsheet with discrete codes, but I have an old UTC MX-500 that can only be programmed with direct IR learning, no provision for hooking to a computer to input command codes.

Anyone out there using an MX-500, and if so, how did you input discrete commands for the OPPO?

Thanks in advance,
Paul
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