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post #4051 of 5579
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I am having a peculiar problem with my 105. If I haven't used it for a couple of days and load a disc, it will not detect the disc. If I unplug it briefly (seconds only) then it will detect the disc. If I use it again within a day there is no need to do this. I have a region-free mod but don't know if this has anything to do with it. Anyone else having a problem like this? I will probably contact Oppo about this.

Do you have the player in a dusty environment? Dust settling on the laser lens can be blown off by the disc spinning. Also some discs are a bit out of whack in their construction (e.g., center hole slightly off center or the like) which can make disc loading a bit chancy. I.e., it may be the luck of the draw in your discs at work here rather than your suggestion that it is related to the player being left off a few days.

Anyway, it certainly doesn't hurt to get in touch with OPPO Tech Support. They can tell you what to keep an eye on in terms of clean discs and placing them properly in the tray, and if your player is having disc read problems, then of course they'll take care of it under warranty.
--Bob
post #4052 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

I was playing SACDs on my 105. It stopped and resumed with some clicks. The song resumed from the start with the same tract. It happened twice. Is this a known issue?

If something happened in your system which caused an HDMI handshake retry then the track will start over. The track will also start over if you switch between PCM and DSD output on the fly or switch between stereo and 5.1 tracks.

In the case of a problem reading the disc, I'm pretty sure the player will skip forward, not backward, to recover, but I've not done enough testing with problem SACD discs to be sure of that.

If the problem recurs, and the items above are not involved, then get in touch with OPPO Tech Support.
--Bob
post #4053 of 5579
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Well, the DAC itself isn't the question. It's the complete implementation of the entire digital to analog process including the DAC. My guess is that with pristine source material you will be able to hear small differences. The Onkyo is a relatively high end receiver after all. But the Oppo doesn't have all the different functions of a receiver so it's likely to have a much bigger concentration of effort in it's analog output stage, thereby resulting in a better sound quality.

If you are planning to run the output of the Oppo into the Onkyo I really think you are wasting your money buying the 105. The 103 is really what you should be looking at. The only real benefits of the 105 are features that you won't likely use if you are running the Oppo input into the Onkyo.

Are you basing the last comment on the supposition that the the Oppo to Onkyo connection would be digital? If the Oppo to Onkyo was analog, would your comment change? I ask as I'm thinking about an Oppo analog to my Onkyo TX-NR809. What would you think about that?
post #4054 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

If something happened in your system which caused an HDMI handshake retry then the track will start over. The track will also start over if you switch between PCM and DSD output on the fly or switch between stereo and 5.1 tracks.

In the case of a problem reading the disc, I'm pretty sure the player will skip forward, not backward, to recover, but I've not done enough testing with problem SACD discs to be sure of that.

If the problem recurs, and the items above are not involved, then get in touch with OPPO Tech Support.
--Bob

I've had this happen randomly as well during sacd playback!
post #4055 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Of course, you don't but room correction is equally valid and useful in two channels. After all, the room's acoustics don't change with the number of channels.

As Iv'e recently found out Kals point is true indeed, RC + 2/ch can be an entirely different listening experience when done right its sonic delight! wink.gif
post #4056 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Do you have the player in a dusty environment? Dust settling on the laser lens can be blown off by the disc spinning. Also some discs are a bit out of whack in their construction (e.g., center hole slightly off center or the like) which can make disc loading a bit chancy. I.e., it may be the luck of the draw in your discs at work here rather than your suggestion that it is related to the player being left off a few days.

Anyway, it certainly doesn't hurt to get in touch with OPPO Tech Support. They can tell you what to keep an eye on in terms of clean discs and placing them properly in the tray, and if your player is having disc read problems, then of course they'll take care of it under warranty.
--Bob

I've only had the player a few weeks so I doubt if dust is the problem. It's never been a problem for my other Oppo players. I'm working with Oppo on the problem but it may take a while to solve since it is dependent on the player being off for some period of time. If I watch or listen to something on it one night and then do the same the next night, there is no problem. It's when 2 or 3 days go by without using it (though it is in standby with Quick Start turned on in the settings) that it refuses to recognize a disc being inserted until I unplug the player briefly and then plug it back in.
post #4057 of 5579
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I've only had the player a few weeks so I doubt if dust is the problem. It's never been a problem for my other Oppo players. I'm working with Oppo on the problem but it may take a while to solve since it is dependent on the player being off for some period of time. If I watch or listen to something on it one night and then do the same the next night, there is no problem. It's when 2 or 3 days go by without using it (though it is in standby with Quick Start turned on in the settings) that it refuses to recognize a disc being inserted until I unplug the player briefly and then plug it back in.

Quick Start keeps certain functions of the player live while it is OFF. The one that comes to mind for being off more than a day or so is networking, because your router likely grants the player a "lease" that expires after a day or so, meaning the networking needs to acquire a new one from the router while it is still "off". There may be a problem with how your router handles that. When you pull the plug, the networking starts out afresh with your router. The older OPPO players don't have Quick Start, so any such issue with the router would not have been evident.

So a couple things to try. Disconnect networking (both Wifi and Ethernet), and also the Roku Streaming Stick if you have it, before turning off the player, and see if the problem goes away the next time you power up after such a delay.

If that seems to fix it, then go back to leaving the networking connected but switch to Energy Efficient power cycles, which will work like unplugging the player. If the problem remains fixed that way then you might want to check for a firmware update for your router.

I'm surmising either that you have BD-Live enabled and the discs you are trying want to go out on the network as they load, or the player is getting stuck during the Quick Start power up and disc loading sequence because networking is confused.

There are really very few other things that might cause a problem with the player powered down for a couple days but NEVER cause a problem with the player powered down only overnight. For example, any thermal or mechanical effects are going to happen in just a few hours after the player is turned off.
--bob
post #4058 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Quick Start keeps certain functions of the player live while it is OFF. The one that comes to mind for being off more than a day or so is networking, because your router likely grants the player a "lease" that expires after a day or so, meaning the networking needs to acquire a new one from the router while it is still "off". There may be a problem with how your router handles that. When you pull the plug, the networking starts out afresh with your router. The older OPPO players don't have Quick Start, so any such issue with the router would not have been evident.

So a couple things to try. Disconnect networking (both Wifi and Ethernet), and also the Roku Streaming Stick if you have it, before turning off the player, and see if the problem goes away the next time you power up after such a delay.

If that seems to fix it, then go back to leaving the networking connected but switch to Energy Efficient power cycles, which will work like unplugging the player. If the problem remains fixed that way then you might want to check for a firmware update for your router.

I'm surmising either that you have BD-Live enabled and the discs you are trying want to go out on the network as they load, or the player is getting stuck during the Quick Start power up and disc loading sequence because networking is confused.

There are really very few other things that might cause a problem with the player powered down for a couple days but NEVER cause a problem with the player powered down only overnight. For example, any thermal or mechanical effects are going to happen in just a few hours after the player is turned off.
--bob
Networking right now is off and has been. BD-Live has always been turned off. I will reconnect the network shortly but it was off because I changed a security setting. Actually, my router (a Netgear WNDR3700) is wirelessly connected to a wireless bridge and the Oppo is connected to that. I will need to re-start up the Bridge connection anyway but will leave it off temporarily. That Netgear router (which has been trouble-free) has not had a firmware upgrade for a couple of years. It always worked fine with my BDP-83SE. I do suspect that it is something to do with Quick Start feature though. I think this issue may lead to a firmware update on the Oppo side.

I don't consider it a serious problem, just a nuisance--though one I would like to get rid of.
post #4059 of 5579
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Originally Posted by rblum View Post

Are you basing the last comment on the supposition that the the Oppo to Onkyo connection would be digital? If the Oppo to Onkyo was analog, would your comment change? I ask as I'm thinking about an Oppo analog to my Onkyo TX-NR809. What would you think about that?

Since this receiver has HDMI and room correction I think that an analog connection would be inferior to a digital connection. You will likely end up giving up some of the features you bought the Onkyo for, like room correction, or you will end up redigitizing the Oppo output and then converting it back to analog.

Neither of these choices will be an improvement over just feeding digital to the Onkyo.

Thus my recommendation is for you to save several hundred dollars and get the BDP-103.
Edited by ehlarson - 3/7/13 at 4:01pm
post #4060 of 5579
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Since this receiver has HDMI and room correction I think that an analog connection would be inferior to a digital connection. You will likely end up giving up some of the features you bought the Onkyo for, like room correction, or you will end up redigitizing the Oppo output and then converting it back to analog.

Neither of these choices will be an improvement over just feeding digital to the Onkyo.

Thus my recommendation is for you to save several hundred dollars and get the BDP-103.

That is some good info....I was unaware that if you feed analog to a avr with room correction, you lose it. I like the way xt32 makes my room sound. Also the burr brown dac in my 3009 sounds pretty good. I was hoping that the saber dac would be superior, witch it very well may be but I don't want to lose room correction. Maybe I'll just keep the ps3.
post #4061 of 5579
Can someone tell me which USB port on the Oppo 105 is the asynchronous one - and explain what particular advantage / disadvantage that has over the other USB ports?
Also, I've loaded some photos on to a USB thumb drive and they are displayed fine - but each time I reinsert this drive to show the photos, a growing number of "phantom photos" - icons that indicate photos but have no content - must be scrolled past to find the actual, "live" folders. Since this is a slide show with music, it's a major hassle to scroll past all of these empty photo icons, trying to time the images to match the "soundtrack" I've chosen. These empty icons do not appear on the thumb drive when viewed on my Apple desktop computer. It seems the Oppo is building its own internal memory of all previous slide shows.
Any ideas on how to erase / delete these empty photo icons?
post #4062 of 5579
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Originally Posted by fotonomad View Post

Can someone tell me which USB port on the Oppo 105 is the asynchronous one - and explain what particular advantage / disadvantage that has over the other USB ports?
Also, I've loaded some photos on to a USB thumb drive and they are displayed fine - but each time I reinsert this drive to show the photos, a growing number of "phantom photos" - icons that indicate photos but have no content - must be scrolled past to find the actual, "live" folders. Since this is a slide show with music, it's a major hassle to scroll past all of these empty photo icons, trying to time the images to match the "soundtrack" I've chosen. These empty icons do not appear on the thumb drive when viewed on my Apple desktop computer. It seems the Oppo is building its own internal memory of all previous slide shows.
Any ideas on how to erase / delete these empty photo icons?

The Mac itself creates secondary files (the name starts with a ".") for each file on the stick to hold file information the Mac records about the file that the non-Mac style file system formatting of the stick won't otherwise allow. There are utilities you can use on the Mac to strip these files from any folder on your USB stick so they don't get in the way when used in a non-Mac environment such was the OPPO player.

The "special" USB input -- the Asynchronous USB DAC Input -- is the square shaped socket near the middle or the back panel of the 105. The "normal" USB Inputs are the thin rectangular shaped sockets found on the front and back.

The "normal" USB sockets are used to attach things like a hard drive or a USB keyboard or the OPPO-provided Wifi networking stick. I.e., they are for USB accessory attachment. A hard drive attached this way can be browsed using the media file browsing in the OPPO so you can select and play files.

The Asynchronous USB DAC Input is very different. The easiest way to think of it is it's the way you attach a computer to the OPPO so that the OPPO will act in lieu of the normal sound card and speakers built into the computer. In the computer you select that you want to use this connection for audio output instead of the normal computer speakers. Whatever application you use to play audio on the computer will then send stereo digital audio (up to 2.0 LPCM 192KHz 24-bit) to the OPPO which gets passed *DIRECTLY* to the DACS of the OPPO for driving its Analog outputs (bypassing all audio processing except for Analog output Volume control). It will also be presented on the Digital audio outputs of the OPPO -- i.e., as HDMI stereo LPCM output.
--Bob
post #4063 of 5579
can't play pearl harbor, it kept pausing. ant one with same problem?
post #4064 of 5579
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Originally Posted by speedytobey View Post

can't play pearl harbor, it kept pausing. ant one with same problem?

That's because the OPPO recognized how bad that movie is. Try playing "Tora Tora Tora" instead...:biggrin.gif
post #4065 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

If something happened in your system which caused an HDMI handshake retry then the track will start over. The track will also start over if you switch between PCM and DSD output on the fly or switch between stereo and 5.1 tracks.

In the case of a problem reading the disc, I'm pretty sure the player will skip forward, not backward, to recover, but I've not done enough testing with problem SACD discs to be sure of that.

If the problem recurs, and the items above are not involved, then get in touch with OPPO Tech Support.
--Bob

My AVR does not do DSD, so I changed the player to PCM. I played one SACD without issue, but I did not changed from DSD to PCM on the fly. Thanks Bob!
post #4066 of 5579
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Since this receiver has HDMI and room correction I think that an analog connection would be inferior to a digital connection. You will likely end up giving up some of the features you bought the Onkyo for, like room correction, or you will end up redigitizing the Oppo output and then converting it back to analog.

Neither of these choices will be an improvement over just feeding digital to the Onkyo.

Thus my recommendation is for you to save several hundred dollars and get the BDP-103.

Thanks, I thought that was your point, I appreciate the confirmation. I'm "thinking my way through" the intricacies of the Oppo audio vs using the various digital domain features of a receiver. My Onkyo has XT, but not XT32 room correction. While it improves the sound at the primary listening position, at some other positions it actually sounds worse. There is a pure audio mode that when selected improves some highs to my ear, but bass deteriorates some because room correction is lost.

I'm wondering if optimizing the Oppo speaker distance settings and playing with sub location would offer a better compromise than staying in the Onkyo's digital mode offers.

I also am intrigued with the Oppo being able to render, because my current choice of streamer for music (NeoTV 550) has a somewhat limited UI that something like the JRiver software would improve if used with a device like the Oppo it could "push" to.

An Oppo with room correction would be interesting.....
post #4067 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Mac itself creates secondary files (the name starts with a ".") for each file on the stick to hold file information the Mac records about the file that the non-Mac style file system formatting of the stick won't otherwise allow. There are utilities you can use on the Mac to strip these files from any folder on your USB stick so they don't get in the way when used in a non-Mac environment such was the OPPO player.

The "special" USB input -- the Asynchronous USB DAC Input -- is the square shaped socket near the middle or the back panel of the 105. The "normal" USB Inputs are the thin rectangular shaped sockets found on the front and back.

The "normal" USB sockets are used to attach things like a hard drive or a USB keyboard or the OPPO-provided Wifi networking stick. I.e., they are for USB accessory attachment. A hard drive attached this way can be browsed using the media file browsing in the OPPO so you can select and play files.

The Asynchronous USB DAC Input is very different. The easiest way to think of it is it's the way you attach a computer to the OPPO so that the OPPO will act in lieu of the normal sound card and speakers built into the computer. In the computer you select that you want to use this connection for audio output instead of the normal computer speakers. Whatever application you use to play audio on the computer will then send stereo digital audio (up to 2.0 LPCM 192KHz 24-bit) to the OPPO which gets passed *DIRECTLY* to the DACS of the OPPO for driving its Analog outputs (bypassing all audio processing except for Analog output Volume control). It will also be presented on the Digital audio outputs of the OPPO -- i.e., as HDMI stereo LPCM output.
--Bob

Many thanks for the clear and detailed explanations. Can you tell me which utility and procedure I'd use on my MAC to strip all those "phantom folders" off the USB stick?
post #4068 of 5579
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Originally Posted by fotonomad View Post

Many thanks for the clear and detailed explanations. Can you tell me which utility and procedure I'd use on my MAC to strip all those "phantom folders" off the USB stick?

A free utility:

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/16996/findercleaner/

and one that costs a bit but has a 30-day free trial:

http://www.zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest4/
post #4069 of 5579
Has there been a discussion regarding the 105's ability to handle jitter? I haven't seen anything discussed about this. Other DACs are fairly forthcoming i=with their product's ability to handle jitter.

Thanks

k
post #4070 of 5579
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Originally Posted by rblum View PostOPPO ....XT32 room correction.......

OPPO with XT32 room correction, yes please. Maybe the next generation but I doubt it!

post #4071 of 5579
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

OPPO with
 XT32 room correction, yes please. Maybe the next generation but I doubt it!

Please not. The whole point of the 105 is to fiddle with the signal as little as possible, and to reproduce the analog signal as perfectly as possible.
post #4072 of 5579
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

Please not. The whole point of the 105 is to fiddle with the signal as little as possible, and to reproduce the analog signal as perfectly as possible.

+1

I can't believe so many people like room correction. To me, this is the biggest hype sold by the industry to get people to buy new equipment. It's equalization (ok, call it fancy equalization)- something the high-end community has always frowned upon. Some simple room treatments can work miracles without having some machine alter the frequencies.
post #4073 of 5579
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

+1

I can't believe so many people like room correction. To me, this is the biggest hype sold by the industry to get people to buy new equipment. It's equalization (ok, call it fancy equalization)- something the high-end community has always frowned upon. Some simple room treatments can work miracles without having some machine alter the frequencies.

I never tried it, but been advised that using an AVR with room correction is better choice than my high-end preamp and mono blocks. Seems only people at this forum recommends this . I was thinking of trying it to prove to myself the truth. I quit using the older type equalizers 20 years ago. They seemed to do more harm than good.
post #4074 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Paul Kile View Post

That's because the OPPO recognized how bad that movie is. Try playing "Tora Tora Tora" instead...:biggrin.gif[/quote


lol
post #4075 of 5579
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Originally Posted by vlach View Post

You can plug in your iPad using the optional USB camera kit, however that doesn't work for iPods.

Are you sure this works? When I tried it I got a popup message on the iPad screen, "The connected USB device requires too much power".
post #4076 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Todd68 View Post

I was thinking of trying it to prove to myself the truth. I quit using the older type equalizers 20 years ago. They seemed to do more harm than good.

Times have changed and so have EQs.  Try it.

post #4077 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Todd68 View Post

I never tried it, but been advised that using an AVR with room correction is better choice than my high-end preamp and mono blocks. Seems only people at this forum recommends this . I was thinking of trying it to prove to myself the truth. I quit using the older type equalizers 20 years ago. They seemed to do more harm than good.

Although the high-end community frowns upon all types of equalization, I actually like the old graphic eq's. Their job was to fix the music, not the room. Recording engineers aren't all the same. Sometimes the music needs to be adjusted. Some albums may not have enough bass or teble, while some have too much bass or treble. A regular analog graphic eq allows you to fine tune the music. Today's room eq's are parametric eq's that are supposed to fine tune the room (environment). These are two completely different things. I agree the AVS community is generally pro room equalization....and I could never understand why. I've tried a few of them personally and was never happy with the overall results. This is why I hope Oppo doesn't succumb to the pressure and go to the dark side! eek.gif The Oppo 105 isn't perfect, but I love it just as it is.
post #4078 of 5579
Being a purist of sorts, I gave Kal and others a hard time on the merits of Room correction over the alteration of the oringal signal with the use of my Oppo 95 as I felt I'd already paid my dues on proper speaker positioning ng and had placed good room treatments around the room and all was well, I had the opportunity this year to add the 105 and Marantz 8801 to my setup and see or hear for my self if Audyssey was up to Audiophile standards ( at least mine anyway). First priority of course is do no harm as I wouldn't listen to much multi/ch sacd because of swicthing to PCM for bass mgnt. I 'm one who can hear the difference between DSD and PCM and prefer the latter for critical listening. Before I admit to the rater largish plate of "crow" I had to eat, let me just say I prefer multich sacd with Audyssey over 2/ch pure DSD (I still love it but if its got a good multi track), once Audyssey is done right it handles the signal with Kid gloves and does an incredible job of keeping the tonality and honesty of the signal intact while revealing things to you that may have been lost in timing errors and cancellation of frequencies by others trying to reach your ears at the same time, its clean and can be very engaging to say its digital. believe it or not this can apply to 2/ch redbook as well eek.gif So in short you don't Know what your missing and can have both at the touch of a button and Having said that I say leave Audyssey out of the next Oppo, it doesn't need it! that's what the 8801 is for!

Oh and thanks Kal for staying the course!
post #4079 of 5579
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I 'm one who can hear the difference between DSD and PCM and prefer the latter for critical listening.

Prove this double-blind to Moran and you'll be a big hero.
post #4080 of 5579
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Times have changed and so have EQs.  Try it.

Well, yes and no.

Measuring the room and feeding that back into digital algorithms to correct for problems with the room can help, but so can fixing the room itself.

Room correction is like saying, well, we really blew it when we built this concert hall, so we'll have the singers wear special microphones (or pillows on their chests, or felt in their noses) that munge the signal to compensate for our initial screwups.

Better to build the concert hall correctly in the first place. Or, failing that, to at least try to address the problems with the building before anything else.
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