Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread - Page 137

Originally Posted by jimshowalter 

Well, yes and no.

Measuring the room and feeding that back into digital algorithms to correct for problems with the room can help, but so can fixing the room itself.

Room correction is like saying, well, we really blew it when we built this concert hall, so we'll have the singers wear special microphones (or pillows on their chests, or felt in their noses) that munge the signal to compensate for our initial screwups.

Better to build the concert hall correctly in the first place. Or, failing that, to at least try to address the problems with the building before anything else.

Originally Posted by audiofan1 

And what if the room has treatments and an improvement is heard from those algorithms, sophisticated very powerful processors these days are starting to get very good at convincing me (us) the reproduced Psound is unaltered by DSP I for one believe the Sleeper has Awakened indeed and we all are in a New Golden Age of Audio, now only if we can bring peace to the loudness war all will be good .

Do I hear anyone seconding the motion to impose sanctions!

Originally Posted by HowardV 

Although the high-end community frowns upon all types of equalization, I actually like the old graphic eq's. Their job was to fix the music, not the room. Recording engineers aren't all the same. Sometimes the music needs to be adjusted. Some albums may not have enough bass or teble, while some have too much bass or treble. A regular analog graphic eq allows you to fine tune the music. Today's room eq's are parametric eq's that are supposed to fine tune the room (environment). These are two completely different things. I agree the AVS community is generally pro room equalization....and I could never understand why. I've tried a few of them personally and was never happy with the overall results. This is why I hope Oppo doesn't succumb to the pressure and go to the dark side! The Oppo 105 isn't perfect, but I love it just as it is.

Originally Posted by Todd68 

I use room treatments also, I have bass traps in the corners behind speakers, DIY absorption panels on wall behind speakers, bought ready made absorption panels and use those on the ceiling plus room lenses for first sidewall reflections.


I was told the latest and best room correction is not available to purchase separate? If it was I would try it. That way I could still use my current gear and run the room correction through my existing preamp tape out loop just like a standard EQ. I use a turntable and separate tuner also, another reason an AVR is not right for me, not to mention I only want and need a 2.1 setup.

If the room correction is such a breakthrough, why not make it available to people with typical two channel systems? Or if the latest Audessey is point me to it and I'll get it!

Originally Posted by audiofan1 

Have you tried the Antimode its for 2 speakers or 2 subs and might be worth a try since bass is where correction is needed most, to bad someone lied to you or just gave you there opinion on the matter instead of at least saying I didn't care for it, It's not something you slap in there and expect it to do wonders the same care I'm sure you put into your set up is necessary for Audyssey or which ever RC you choose to( I hope you will at least) try for yourself. The best way for me to describe it is when I first install the panels at the first reflection points and bass trapped the corners and panels on the front wall behind the mains , the image improved and became more stable and a nasty 50hz mode was tamed and bass was extended and tighter and there was an overall spaciousness to the sound stage, well the addition of Audyssey was as good as that first impression as I really didn't think it could be bettered I have the flexibility to bypass my mains and apply Audyssey to all other speakers or just the sub in 2/ch and A/B comparisons reveal a muddy sound that I was accustomed to but still have an affinity for and still have it. I can have it my way 2.0 2.1 5.1 7.1 9.1 or up to 11.2. Audyssey on or off well treated room and plain 2.0 or digital RC in addition to the well treated room. Starting to get the picture

Now is that time !

Originally Posted by Ramatam 

Has there been a discussion regarding the 105's ability to handle jitter? I haven't seen anything discussed about this. Other DACs are fairly forthcoming i=with their product's ability to handle jitter.

Originally Posted by jimshowalter 


Well, yes and no.

Measuring the room and feeding that back into digital algorithms to correct for problems with the room can help, but so can fixing the room itself.

Room correction is like saying, well, we really blew it when we built this concert hall, so we'll have the singers wear special microphones (or pillows on their chests, or felt in their noses) that munge the signal to compensate for our initial screwups.

Better to build the concert hall correctly in the first place. Or, failing that, to at least try to address the problems with the building before anything else.

Originally Posted by jeff52 

Jitter and the BDP-105: http://archimago.blogspot.com/2013/02/measurements-oppo-bdp-105.html

Is jitter really a problem with most modern equipment? http://archimago.blogspot.com/

Originally Posted by SeekingNirvana 

For those that have their noses stuck up in the air and are bashing audyssey or room correction in general. You should know that if you don't like it you can turn it off. So if oppo does decide to implement it into their players you can still claim that your room sounds better because of your "room treatments". Not all of us have the option to throw up big panels in our rooms. This could be due to it being a living room or WAF. I for one love room correction, I don't have very many options in my "living room" to move my speakers around and avoid having to use audysse.

Originally Posted by Paul Kile 

That's because the OPPO recognized how bad that movie is. Try playing "Tora Tora Tora" instead...:

Originally Posted by SeekingNirvana 

For those that have their noses stuck up in the air and are bashing Audyssey or room correction in general. You should know that if you don't like it you can turn it off. So if oppo does decide to implement it into their players you can still claim that your room sounds better because of your "room treatments". Not all of us have the option to throw up big panels in our rooms. This could be due to it being a living room or WAF. I for one love room correction, I don't have very many options in my "living room" to move my speakers around and avoid having to use audysse.

Originally Posted by wse 

Very will said, it is not an obligation to use it, I used to have a car that could reach speed of 250 km/h I never drove it at that speed but it was nice to know that if I ever needed to I could

Originally Posted by SeekingNirvana 

For those that have their noses stuck up in the air and are bashing audyssey or room correction in general. You should know that if you don't like it you can turn it off. So if oppo does decide to implement it into their players you can still claim that your room sounds better because of your "room treatments". Not all of us have the option to throw up big panels in our rooms. This could be due to it being a living room or WAF. I for one love room correction, I don't have very many options in my "living room" to move my speakers around and avoid having to use audysse.

Originally Posted by jimshowalter 

http://www.realtraps.com/art_audyssey.htm

Note the graphs.

Note the sensitivity to listening position.

Note that ringing was not reduced, despite Audessey's claims to be able to reduce it.

Note the worsening of nulls.

Originally Posted by Torqdog 

Interesting article Jim. I have no dog in the fight here as I don't use RC but I couldn't help but notice that this article is exactly 6 years old. Haven't there been some pretty major improvements to the Audyssey software since then?(XT32 etc) Just playin Devil's advocate.

Kinda fun getting a peek into Kal's room.

Originally Posted by SeekingNirvana 

For those that have their noses stuck up in the air and are bashing audyssey or room correction in general. You should know that if you don't like it you can turn it off. So if oppo does decide to implement it into their players you can still claim that your room sounds better because of your "room treatments". Not all of us have the option to throw up big panels in our rooms. This could be due to it being a living room or WAF. I for one love room correction, I don't have very many options in my "living room" to move my speakers around and avoid having to use audysse.

Originally Posted by audiodog72 

I've had my BDP-105 for about six weeks and am experienceing a stange problem when using the optical and coaxial inputs. There is a DVR connected to the optical input and a Cambridge iD100 digital iPod dock connected to the coaxial input. While listening thru one of these inputs, if I use the TV remote to turn the TV on or off, there is a momentary dropout in the sound. This happens only with the digital inputs, not while playing a disc. That doesn't bother me so much but sometimes, after the short dropout, when the sound resumes there is a reduction in the output of the right channel. If I hit the TV power button on the remote again, there's another dropout after which the output of the right channel is restored. This right channel problem doesn't occur every time I use the TV remote, only occasionally and I'm still trying to narrow down the conditions under which it occurs. Any idea what this may be about?

Originally Posted by Torqdog 

Kinda fun getting a peek into Kal's room.

Originally Posted by Milt99 


Dang, I hope he's painted it in the interim.

Originally Posted by Todd68 

I never tried it, but been advised that using an AVR with room correction is better choice than my high-end preamp and mono blocks. Seems only people at this forum recommends this . I was thinking of trying it to prove to myself the truth. I quit using the older type equalizers 20 years ago. They seemed to do more harm than good.

Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson 

Hey.  My wife chooses all the colors, so take it up with her.  

Originally Posted by dmusoke 

 

Kal ... do you believe the Audessey system you have has been and has made a definate positive improvement in your listening room?

 

Do you ever turn it off and if so, why?

Originally Posted by VRDnhorns 


I have tried room correction. Works great if room needs correcting, sounds worse if room does not need correcting. Got my room right dumped room correction, then bought three VRD monos for L-C-R. . .

Originally Posted by jimshowalter 

This can be an expensive hobby, even if you stick with reasonably-priced cables, but some of the best advice about where to allocate the money is: room, speakers, everything else.

Originally Posted by BobbieG 

Are you sure this works? When I tried it I got a popup message on the iPad screen, "The connected USB device requires too much power".