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post #4291 of 10063
I just encountered a problem involving my Oppo 105 that I wanted to post and see if anyone has seen anything similar. Several weeks ago I ordered an IntelNUC and installed 16GB RAM, 128GB SSD and Centrino Wifi. I installed Windows 8 on it and it runs very fast. I hooked the IntelNUC's HDMI cable to the HDMI input on the back of the Oppo 105 and once again all is well, except for when I try to play VUDU streamed at HDX or 1080p video. When the playback at 1080p starts, it buffers and then the picture and sound are great, but at about 10 second intervals, there are some dropped or skipped frames which make it unwatchable to me. I've tried changing Ethernet cables, changing the browser from IE10 to Chrome, and just about anything else I can think of, but the problem remains. The only thing that corrected it was to change the stream to SD. I even loaded Windows 8 on my MacBook (i5, SSD) in BootCamp (not VM) and I got the same skipping. Then, as a last resort, I plugged the HDMI cable from the IntelNUC directly into my TVs (Samsung plasma) HDMI input and the skipping was completely gone. I can now play any 1080p content from the IntelNUC with great picture quality and with no dropped frames or skipping. I can use the USB for audio into the USB input on the Oppo 105 and all is good. Any guesses as to how the Oppo can cause dropped frames or skipping when the HDMI goes directly from the IntelNUC to the Oppo? Could it be a setting in the Oppo? I've looked and don't see any settings that can be tweaked.
post #4292 of 10063
Hi, I just got my 105!!!!!

Question, if I send my music to the Oppo via my apple tv hooked up hdmi vs. hooking up a hard drive direct to the Oppo am I losing any sound quality? Am I getting my digital music playing through those good dacs. Does a hard drive hooked up to the printer style input play through the same dacs as the streamed music to the apple tv hooked up hdmi. Hope that made sense smile.gif
Thanks so much for your thoughts!
post #4293 of 10063
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Originally Posted by alabamawoody View Post

Hi, I just got my 105!!!!!

Question, if I send my music to the Oppo via my apple tv hooked up hdmi vs. hooking up a hard drive direct to the Oppo am I losing any sound quality? Am I getting my digital music playing through those good dacs. Does a hard drive hooked up to the printer style input play through the same dacs as the streamed music to the apple tv hooked up hdmi. Hope that made sense smile.gif
Thanks so much for your thoughts!


Hello,
Though I doubt there will be an audible difference between the HDMI mode and the USB. Studies show that the USB mode makes for a quieter environment with converting the digital signal. If you are connecting a stand alone hard drive, connect to one of the regular USB jacks. The printer style is for direct connection to a Computer.
post #4294 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post


Supposedly but I streamed 24/176.4 from the PC via Ethernet to the Oppo 103 which, in turn, was connected to an exaSound e18 by coax S/PDIF.  The e18 displayed 24/176.4 (and sounded fine).

Maybe you can shed more light on this. I noticed that the SPDIF input of the OPPO 105 will not pass any resolution north of 24/96. The 105 will pass 24/192 via Ethernet and USB though. I can pass 24/192 via SPDIF into my avr (Onkyo 3009) but not Ethernet, go figure! The point I am trying to make is, it seems that currently it is possible to feed SPDIF higher resolutions. I am sure it is device dependent. These signal were sent via Foobar and Jriver.
post #4295 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

If that is the case the Oppo isn't doing ANYTHING for your sound, that all falls on the SSP-800. The Oppo is just delivering the bits. The only way to evaluate the Oppo with movie soundtracks is to use the analog outputs, otherwise you're evaluating everything in your audio chain after it.

If that's the case, how important is the audio quality of the processor? I use balanced and unbalanced analog out from a 105 to a Cary 11a with the Cary inputs set to bypass. I've been pondering replacing the Cary with a Parasound Halo P7 because I don't use the digital processing of the Cary, but would it make any difference?

db
post #4296 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

 

 

Supposedly but I streamed 24/176.4 from the PC via Ethernet to the Oppo 103 which, in turn, was connected to an exaSound e18 by coax S/PDIF.  The e18 displayed 24/176.4 (and sounded fine).

 

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Originally Posted by eusoro View Post


Maybe you can shed more light on this. I noticed that the SPDIF input of the OPPO 105 will not pass any resolution north of 24/96. The 105 will pass 24/192 via Ethernet and USB though. I can pass 24/192 via SPDIF into my avr (Onkyo 3009) but not Ethernet, go figure! The point I am trying to make is, it seems that currently it is possible to feed SPDIF higher resolutions. I am sure it is device dependent. These signal were sent via Foobar and Jriver.

Note that I never used the S/PDIF input, only the output.

 

PC --->(ethernet) --> Oppo --> (S/PDIF) --> e18DAC

post #4297 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Note that I never used the S/PDIF input, only the output.

PC --->(ethernet) --> Oppo --> (S/PDIF) --> e18DAC

Got it, Thanks for the clarification Kal.
post #4298 of 10063
I had a problem yesterday that I don't believe has been discussed here. I finally found a couple of sets of 3D glasses for my Viera VT50, so I put in the one 3D disc I had to try them out (Legends of Flight). The 3D effect was great, but NO SOUND.

A quick call to OPPO solved the problem. It is indeed documented in the Owners Manual, but I overlooked it. If you have your OPPO hooked to an AVR that cannot handle 3D video (and my Pioneer Elite VSX-94TX is one of those), even if you are using HDMI Split A/V mode, you can lose the audio when attempting to play 3D content.

You need to go into 3D settings in the OPPO and select HDMI Blank > YES. What this does is send a blank 2D video signal from the OPPO to the AVR when you are playing 3D sources. The audio from the 3D source now can piggyback on the 2D video signal.

My apologies if this has already been discussed, but I didn't find it in a search.

Cheers,
Paul
post #4299 of 10063
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

The helicopter and explosion scenes were very laid back in the Imax theater I was in as well, so it is not your system. I have since watched Skyfall 3 times at home, and still can't find any reference audio scenes whatsoever. The BD release did not improve on the soundtrack quality, nor will the mighty Sabre DAC.

You do know that Skyfall won the Oscar for best sound editing this year (tied with Zero Dark Thirty). But what do they know?
post #4300 of 10063
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Originally Posted by eusoro View Post

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post


Supposedly but I streamed 24/176.4 from the PC via Ethernet to the Oppo 103 which, in turn, was connected to an exaSound e18 by coax S/PDIF.  The e18 displayed 24/176.4 (and sounded fine).

Maybe you can shed more light on this. I noticed that the SPDIF input of the OPPO 105 will not pass any resolution north of 24/96. The 105 will pass 24/192 via Ethernet and USB though. I can pass 24/192 via SPDIF into my avr (Onkyo 3009) but not Ethernet, go figure! The point I am trying to make is, it seems that currently it is possible to feed SPDIF higher resolutions. I am sure it is device dependent. These signal were sent via Foobar and Jriver.

The S/PDIF outs on the 103/105 can send up to 192KHz for LPCM 2.0 output. Check the OPTICAL/COAX limit setting in Setup and see if 192KHz is selected. Also make sure DTS Neo:6 Mode is OFF.

Make sure your Source is capable of sending 192KHz as the OPPO will not upsample lower rate input to higher rate output.

Note that the lossless Bitstream formats can not be output this way. The lossy compatibility tracks will be used instead to generate the S/PDIF output.
--Bob
post #4301 of 10063
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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

The helicopter and explosion scenes were very laid back in the Imax theater I was in as well, so it is not your system. I have since watched Skyfall 3 times at home, and still can't find any reference audio scenes whatsoever. The BD release did not improve on the soundtrack quality, nor will the mighty Sabre DAC.

You do know that Skyfall won the Oscar for best sound editing this year (tied with Zero Dark Thirty). But what do they know?
Best Sound Editing is not the same Oscar as Best Sound. It is possible for brilliant sound editing to still result in a track which is not as dynamic as some might look for. On the other hand, the incredibly annoying, "Louder Is Better" school of sound design really should be taken out and shot. Just making people's ears bleed is not good movie making.
--Bob
post #4302 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Best Sound Editing is not the same Oscar as Best Sound. It is possible for brilliant sound editing to still result in a track which is not as dynamic as some might look for. On the other hand, the incredibly annoying, "Louder Is Better" school of sound design really should be taken out and shot. Just making people's ears bleed is not good movie making.
--Bob

It is really distressing to see BD's coming out with obvious audio compression.
post #4303 of 10063
^ Alas, EVERY format has its share of shoddy productions and transfers. Of course for many of these movies, the "shoddy" is in the original.
--Bob
post #4304 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Best Sound Editing is not the same Oscar as Best Sound. It is possible for brilliant sound editing to still result in a track which is not as dynamic as some might look for. On the other hand, the incredibly annoying, "Louder Is Better" school of sound design really should be taken out and shot. Just making people's ears bleed is not good movie making.
--Bob

I think shooting them is a bit much, maybe just Orwellian "re-education". smile.gif
post #4305 of 10063
For users in Europe, OPPO UK has now also posted the updated Windows driver for use with the USB Asynchronous DAC Input of the 105. The new driver includes support for Windows 8:

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/customer-services/downloads/

--Bob
post #4306 of 10063
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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

You do know that Skyfall won the Oscar for best sound editing this year (tied with Zero Dark Thirty). But what do they know?

Ah...here we go again, someone quoting the awards without paying attention to their own ears. You do realize that Slumdog Millionaire beat out Dark Knight back in 2008 for Best Sound of the Year, don't you? But since they know what they're talking about, you must agree with that assessment too.
post #4307 of 10063
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

You do know that Skyfall won the Oscar for best sound editing this year (tied with Zero Dark Thirty). But what do they know?

Ah...here we go again, someone quoting the awards without paying attention to their own ears. You do realize that Slumdog Millionaire beat out Dark Knight back in 2008 for Best Sound of the Year, don't you? But since they know what they're talking about, you must agree with that assessment too.

Slumdog Millionaire beat Dark Knight for Best Sound Mixing. Dark Knight beat Slumdog Millionaire for Best Sound Editing:

http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000003/2009

It's all about whether you prefer your sound shaken, not stirred. biggrin.gif
--Bob
post #4308 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Slumdog Millionaire beat Dark Knight for Best Sound Mixing. Dark Knight beat Slumdog Millionaire for Best Sound Editing:

http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000003/2009

It's all about whether you prefer your sound shaken, not stirred. biggrin.gif
--Bob

Might I add," Fidelity" is "Fidelity" "Dynamics" are "Dynamics" etc etc... the entirety of the "Dark night' sound track is not "Shaken" though some scenes call for it the rest is indeed "Stirred" they just flat out got it wrong as they don't pay attention to details and nuances coupled with nice "shaken" moments and a good example of them getting it right when they do pay attention is "Master and Commander" wink.gif
post #4309 of 10063
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I will compare and let you know with the BDP-105!

As good as the dacs are in the A1, same as what esoteric uses in their universal players, I seem to prefer going the HDMI route to the Classe SSP-800. I am guessing because of the Speaker/bass management and I am not even using the room EQ. I get more impact from the sub when going the HDMI route. Maybe if I was using the m/c analog outputs I would probably have to adjust the sub level up a bit. I should give that a try. I believe I have read that Bob Pariseau mentions that when using the analogs of the 105 you need to set the level of the sub up either 10 or 15 db although I could be mistaken on this.
Edited by mt14942 - 3/19/13 at 6:31pm
post #4310 of 10063
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

So if the sound is so lousy(which may be true or not), how do you explain its recent Oscar Nomination for Sound Mixing according to an expose done recently by Home Theatre Magazine did in its Feb 2013 issue (last month).... http://www.hometheater.com/content/mix-master-sound-iskyfalli

Spin a few of sound re-recording mixer Greg P. Russell’s movies on a proper 5.1 or 7.1 system, and you’ll soon realize that this guy loves home theater. Having worked on more than 200 movies, including every Michael Bay opus since The Rock (although he freely admits “Armageddon was over the top”), Russell has crafted some of the most thrilling soundtracks of our generation. But behind even the most bombastic scenes are a lot of consideration, artistry, and know-how.At press time, he has received a total of 16 Academy Award nominations, including one for Sound Mixing for his most recent accomplishment, a masterful mulitchannel mix of the latest James Bond outing, Skyfall, directed by Sam Mendes.

My only explanation to these nominations and wins would be ignorance, politics, and a popularity contest. I would give the same response when seeing how a basic film like Argo, which had absolutely no sound effects to think of, would get nominated for the same sound categories. This is especially true when you have movies like Prometheus, Avengers and Dark Knight Rises that get released the same award year and not even get noticed. You should trust your ears, and not some article or award ceremony.

The same thing happened back in 2007 when Die Hard 4 wasn't even nominated for any sound category, but No Country For Old Men was. Based on your logic with the awards, do you mean to tell me No Country For Old Men's soundtrack was superior to that of a world class reference audio track? I guarantee you no one on AVS, or in the entire world, is choosing No Country For Old Men over Die Hard 4 to demo their home theater sound system. smile.gif

 

Actually SeargentYnot ... i brought up the issue to get a raise out of you and others on AVSsmile.gif! And it seems to have workedtongue.gif!

post #4311 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Kal,

 

Did you compare the Oppo BDP-105 Analog with the Classé SSP-800 DAC

Of course, not.  It was more than a year after the Classe left when the Oppo arrived.

 

Kal:

 

I have a question that has nothing to do with the included post. You have a column in Stereophile called "Music In The Round". What does that phrase mean? I'm one of those people that like to examine the root nature of phrases or idioms to understand how they came about.

 

- David

post #4312 of 10063
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View PostAs good as the dacs are in the A1, same as what esoteric uses in their universal players, I seem to prefer going the HDMI route to the Classe SSP-800. I am guessing because of the Speaker/bass management and I am not even using the room EQ. I get a more impact from the sub when going the HDMI route. Maybe if I was using the m/c analog outputs I would probably have to adjust the sub level up a bit. I should give that a try. I believe I have read that Bob Pariseau mentions that when using the analogs of the 105 you need to set the level of the sub up either 10 or 15 db although I could be mistaken on this.

A1?  You mean the A-HO1?

post #4313 of 10063
I'd like to know if anyone is having this problem. I have been putting my wav files onto an external hard drive and playing through one of the USB ports. Very infrequently, as the song starts there might be a quick moment of what sounds like white or pink noise,Like a blip, then the file starts. Tonight, as I was listening at a rather robust sound level, one song ended and as the next song started there was about a 5 or 6 second burst of this noise, I got to the mute button as fast as I could but by then both tweeters in my 3 month old Von Schweikert' VR-33's were blown..... you could smell them through the fabric.

Seems to me I've read somewhere in this forum that the Oppo will do something like this. Like I said, it will do this for a fraction of a second every now and then but nothing like this! I got out the original CD and no problem with that particular track. I played it again off the hard drive and again white noise.

I am going to post this in the BDP-105 sound thread as well to increase my chances of getting to the bottom of this.

I appreciate any and all input.

And, I am a lot madder than I'm letting on here on this forum.

Thanks,

KP
post #4314 of 10063
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

 

Kal:

 

I have a question that has nothing to do with the included post. You have a column in Stereophile called "Music In The Round". What does that phrase mean? I'm one of those people that like to examine the root nature of phrases or idioms to understand how they came about.

 

It simply means that the column is devoted to multichannel (surround) equipment and music as well as some associated stuff.  This is to distinguish it from the body of the magazine which is predominantly 2-channel.

post #4315 of 10063
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

A1?  You mean the A-HO1?

No I was talking about my Denon A1UDCI universal bluray player. I eventually hope to be getting the Oppo 105.
post #4316 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Ramatam View Post

I'd like to know if anyone is having this problem. I have been putting my wav files onto an external hard drive and playing through one of the USB ports. Very infrequently, as the song starts there might be a quick moment of what sounds like white or pink noise,Like a blip, then the file starts. Tonight, as I was listening at a rather robust sound level, one song ended and as the next song started there was about a 5 or 6 second burst of this noise, I got to the mute button as fast as I could but by then both tweeters in my 3 month old Von Schweikert' VR-33's were blown..... you could smell them through the fabric.

Seems to me I've read somewhere in this forum that the Oppo will do something like this. Like I said, it will do this for a fraction of a second every now and then but nothing like this! I got out the original CD and no problem with that particular track. I played it again off the hard drive and again white noise.

I am going to post this in the BDP-105 sound thread as well to increase my chances of getting to the bottom of this.

I appreciate any and all input.

And, I am a lot madder than I'm letting on here on this forum.

Thanks,

KP

Well that's no fun! What were you using for Audio output from the 105 when this happened? Analog or HDMI?

Is this the first time you've tried playing this particular file copy on the 105? Do you have another way of playing that file off the same hard drive, e.g., trying it on a computer? The most likely situation is that this particular copy of the file is corrupted.

Depending on how you are producing these files, the digital audio contents may not be clean at the start of some files. That would explain the occasional startup transient.

If you are using HDMI audio output we also need to look at what your HDMI Receiver does to recognize and validate the incoming digital audio stream before it un-mutes its output.

With properly formatted files on the hard drive there should be no such startup transients as the audio begins -- much less what you experienced when the speakers got damaged. I.e., this sort of stuff is DEFINITELY not "normal".
--Bob
post #4317 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

 

Kal:

 

I have a question that has nothing to do with the included post. You have a column in Stereophile called "Music In The Round". What does that phrase mean? I'm one of those people that like to examine the root nature of phrases or idioms to understand how they came about.

 

It simply means that the column is devoted to multichannel (surround) equipment and music as well as some associated stuff.  This is to distinguish it from the body of the magazine which is predominantly 2-channel.

Thanks Kal!

post #4318 of 10063
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

If, and only if, you are using the analog outs on the 105 are you using it's DAC's. There's no other analog way out of the box. And, by corollary, if you're not using the analog outs you are not using the the Oppo's DAC's.

Sorry, don't know anything about Apple TV, but if it's delivering bit perfect source (no changes to original source stream) then it should sound identical to a direct hook-up.

Unfortunately the Apple TV converts everything to 16/48.
post #4319 of 10063
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Actually SeargentYnot ... i brought up the issue to get a raise out of you and others on AVS:) ! And it seems to have worked:p !

Haha good one! God forbid people start believing everything they read wink.gif
post #4320 of 10063
Bob,

Thanks for the response. After posting, I began to try a process of elimination. But first to answer your question, I was running analog out via XLR to an Emotiva XSP Pre-amp. Yes, it was the first time to play this file on the 105, or anywhere for that matter.

I connected the external drive, used on the 105, to my laptop and played the culprit track....same thing...trashy "pink noise."
Next I found the original CD, dropped it into the tray and played the "track" on the 105 and it played flawlessly. Finally, I re-ripped the original CD via the same ripping software EAC (Exact audio Copy). This time it ripped it without a hitch.

So, I'm concluding that there is NO issue with the 105 but rather the problem lies within the ripping software. That's one hell of a bug if you ask me!

I plan to contact the company but I expect to get no reply. So for those of you out there using EAC ....beware....check your files at low volume first after ripping.

It only takes a couple of seconds when listening at "healthy" volume levels with hash noise to fry a driver (tweeter).

This is going to cost me a lot. If I have to return the speakers, airfreight alone, round trip, will be in the neighborhood of 600 bucks! I'm hoping that I can get them to send new drivers and I can install them. I've worked in the electronics industry as a solder monkey so I should have no problem there. I'm wondering if I did any damage to the mid drivers as well....ugh!

k
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