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post #4681 of 10059
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Originally Posted by gelly View Post

Thanks again. I do have my marantz calibrated with Audyssey. However I usually use Pure Direct when listening to SBT and CD's

Please bear with me since i'm little new to this:
Are you suggesting that i hook the Oppo into my Adcom GFA-555ms? If so then I would have to disconnect my F L/R KEF LS50's from my Marantz into the Adcom?
IF this is correct, How would I be able to utilize the center,sub and surrounds when watching movies/TV?
Thanks again!

A possible solution is to purchase a separate preamp with a home theater bypass feature. Emotiva and Parasound are two companies that offer such products.
post #4682 of 10059
I am new to audiophile equipment and just started putting together my first system with the purchase of Dali Epicon 6 speakers and Bryston's 4B SST2 amp and B17 preamp.

I am considering purchasing an Oppo BDP 105 CD player, with its well-reviewed internal dac, and connecting a NAS drive to it using a USB connection. For the time being, this would make up my only music sources.

Would such a music source setup be at par with the system that I am putting together? ...this will strictly be a 2-channel setup.
post #4683 of 10059
For a two channel I would get the SONY SCD-5400ES
post #4684 of 10059

Forget the preamp the Oppo could replace the preamp if you don't need the EQ

post #4685 of 10059
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

For a two channel I would get the SONY SCD-5400ES

No streaming here.

post #4686 of 10059
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

No streaming here.

Yes that's true so the BDP-105 then
post #4687 of 10059
Regarding hooking up a 105 to a marantz SR7005. If i hook the Oppo via the 5.1 analog into my AVR via "Blu-ray Disc player / DVD player /
External decoder"(pg 24 in the manual) inputs, when i pay a CD will it be 2.1 utilizing the Oppo DAC? if so, if i want to listen 2.0 can i select Pure Direct on my AVR while still using the Oppo DAC? Thanks
post #4688 of 10059
If there is anyone also having this issue, Here is OPPOs current status of Windows 8 and Mac OSX SMB Compatibility.

".............SMB for Windows 8 and Mac OSX is not currently supported as we are using SMB 2.0 for authentication while these operating systems are using SMB 3.0. We are currently looking at software or other workarounds for these operating systems.

In the interim, you will want to use DLNA instead of SMB. We recommend using oShare (http://sourceforge.net/projects/oshare/) because of its small footprint and reliability.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

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Note: Hello,
Is there a work around to get The Oppo 105 to connect to my Windows 8 PC SMB (Server message Block)? I've tried everything I know with no success including digging through multiple forums. Nobody has been able to confirm it works using Windows 8. Any thoughts?..............."
post #4689 of 10059
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Originally Posted by gelly 
Please bear with me since i'm little new to this:
Are you suggesting that i hook the Oppo into my Adcom GFA-555ms? If so then I would have to disconnect my F L/R KEF LS50's from my Marantz into the Adcom?
IF this is correct, How would I be able to utilize the center,sub and surrounds when watching movies/TV?
Thanks again!

Regarding hooking up a 105 to a marantz SR7005. If i hook the Oppo via the 5.1 analog into my AVR via "Blu-ray Disc player / DVD player /
External decoder"(pg 24 in the manual) inputs, when i pay a CD will it be 2.1 utilizing the Oppo DAC? if so, if i want to listen 2.0 can i select Pure Direct on my AVR while still using the Oppo DAC? Thanks

Well, yes of course you would need to determine the best strategy for dealing with the surrounds and center. I don't know how many channels the Adcom is but it's a stereo amp it isn't going to work for the center and surrounds too. If your sub is powered like most are that could be connected to the Oppo directly.

It's difficult to predict what the impact of running the Oppo analog outputs into the Marantz would be. There are a lot of components in a DVR, and even in pure direct mode the signal path includes the volume control at least so it's likely to be not as nice as feeding directly into the Adcom.

In any case I would definitely try connecting the Oppo directly to the amp. You may find the result to be worth considering reworking your setup to that you have direct amp hookups for your surrounds and center too.

Experimentation like this is a big part of this hobby.
post #4690 of 10059
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post


Oppo needs to be called on the carpet for making such statements.

Any idea as to who should do that?

-Bill
post #4691 of 10059
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

Someone at Oppo does not have a clue. Windows 8, out of the box, supports SMB 1, 2 and 3 (well documented), Windows 7 supports SMB 1 and 2; and XP only SMB 1. Now if Oppo needed SMB 2 for authentication then everyone using XP would be up in arms. Also many Linux and NAS boxes use Samba for SMB support and (outside of Samba 4 - newly released, don't believe it's being used in any embedded scenarios yet) it supports only SMB 1 (the later Samba-3.x versions do support SMB 2 but it's not enabled by default). In fact my SMB shares work just fine with the Oppo whether or not I enable SMB 2 using Samba-3.6.13.

Oppo needs to be called on the carpet for making such statements.

Easy now darkphader,

Question- Do you currently have the player working thru SMB on Windows 8 Home Edition? If so, some tips will of great benefit.
post #4692 of 10059
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Forget the preamp the Oppo could replace the preamp if you don't need the EQ
Maybe, maybe not.
Personally, I still think a pre-amp is important beyond input selection capability.
A long time ago and I mean a long time ago like 30 years, I ran a Sony ES cd player straight into my amp as it had a line level volume control.
It did not sound as good as the same player run through my pre-amp.
A few years ago my Bro was running his self-modded Marantz straight into his power amp and was convinced this was the way to go.
I heard that system before and after he added a pre-amp.
To me the system sounded better with the pre-amp, he agreed.
YMMV.
post #4693 of 10059
For those still on the debate ”preamp or not” there is a very good dicussion thread on audiocirle http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=115047.0.

Ok, back to the 105 player.
post #4694 of 10059
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

No. The only Windows 8 I had was the "Consumer Preview" installed in a virtual machine which did not work with the Oppo. I don't personally use Windows although I support it for my clients and have been a Microsoft Certified Professional since 1993. I maintain networks for several small businesses with cross-platform support of Windows, Mac, and Linux. None of my clients with Windows or Mac systems, including Windows 8 systems, have any problems sharing files and printers with the Linux servers running Samba.

As I don't personally have a released version of Windows 8 to test against the Oppo I can't strictly guess as to the problems with the release vs. the "Consumer Preview". If the released versions do indeed not work (although I have read reports that some have had success) then clearly the Oppo implementation is broken. Broken, yes, but not based on the SMB 1,2,3 ******** they're spouting. And the breakage itself is not all that unusual, it happens, especially when you're trying to mate an opensource project with a closed proprietary one (it happens a lot even between the inbred Windows variants).

The issue, IMO, is most likely a broken (or ancient) Samba implementation they're using; and as it's an embedded solution they'll need to wait for their supplier to fix it. I have no problem with that - they just shouldn't ******** us in the meantime.


Got It... You might be on to something there. All the other streaming devices on my network work with the Windows 8. Not a deal breaker but it would have been nice. still overall happy with the device for my use (Audio).
Edited by eusoro - 4/1/13 at 9:34pm
post #4695 of 10059
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

No. The only Windows 8 I had was the "Consumer Preview" installed in a virtual machine which did not work with the Oppo. I don't personally use Windows although I support it for my clients and have been a Microsoft Certified Professional since 1993. I maintain networks for several small businesses with cross-platform support of Windows, Mac, and Linux. None of my clients with Windows or Mac systems, including Windows 8 systems, have any problems sharing files and printers with the Linux servers running Samba.

As I don't personally have a released version of Windows 8 to test against the Oppo I can't strictly guess as to the problems with the release vs. the "Consumer Preview". If the released versions do indeed not work (although I have read reports that some have had success) then clearly the Oppo implementation is broken. Broken, yes, but not based on the SMB 1,2,3 ******** they're spouting. And the breakage itself is not all that unusual, it happens, especially when you're trying to mate an opensource project with a closed proprietary one (it happens a lot even between the inbred Windows variants).

The issue, IMO, is most likely a broken (or ancient) Samba implementation they're using; and as it's an embedded solution they'll need to wait for their supplier to fix it. I have no problem with that - they just shouldn't ******** us in the meantime.

Instead of slagging them, you might try using your expertise to *help* them. Just a suggestion.

They might simply not understand the problem, and think they do. Or they might have trouble articulating their understanding of the problem.
post #4696 of 10059
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

Instead of slagging them, you might try using your expertise to *help* them. Just a suggestion.

They might simply not understand the problem, and think they do. Or they might have trouble articulating their understanding of the problem.

Better to just let him post on the forum and let Oppo make Oppo's wink.gif
post #4697 of 10059
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

Instead of slagging them, you might try using your expertise to *help* them. Just a suggestion.

They might simply not understand the problem, and think they do. Or they might have trouble articulating their understanding of the problem.

Better to understand the difference between marketing and engineering. I highly suspect there's anything I can tell them they don't already know.
post #4698 of 10059
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

I don't personally use Windows although I support it for my clients and have been a Microsoft Certified Professional since 1993.

I take it this had to be Windows for Workgroups 3.11 back then. You must have been one of the first MCPs that year.
post #4699 of 10059
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

Better to understand the difference between marketing and engineering. I highly suspect there's anything I can tell them they don't already know.

OPPO is not known for putting "spin" on such communications. They are EASILY the most open consumer electronics company I've ever encountered when it comes to responding to customer technical queries. If they say the problem is that the SMB 2.0 implementation they have in place now doesn't work with Windows 8, that really is the best info they have at the moment. I don't believe they've ever said that Windows 8 can't handle SMB 2.0. What they've said is the SMB 2.0 implementation as it currently exists in the player does not work with Windows 8. Whether they can "fix" that, or need to migrate to SMB 3.0 in the player is another question.

You said you believed some folks had managed to get Windows 8 SMB working with the OPPO -- presumably by making the adjustment to have Windows 8 use SMB 2.0. If my memory serves, I don't think that's correct. I don't believe there have been any posts here establishing that, nor have I heard of that being posted in other forums.

By the way, the SMB implementation in the 103/105 *ALSO* does not work with Mac OS X 10.8.3 SMB shares either, at the moment.

Even if it turns out the statement from OPPO is wrong, I'd rather have them keep trying to put out the best info they have at any given moment, rather than clam up out of fear they might have it wrong.

This SMB stuff is new for OPPO. It would not surprise me at all if they still have stuff to learn about it.
--Bob
post #4700 of 10059
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Well, yes of course you would need to determine the best strategy for dealing with the surrounds and center. I don't know how many channels the Adcom is but it's a stereo amp it isn't going to work for the center and surrounds too. If your sub is powered like most are that could be connected to the Oppo directly.

It's difficult to predict what the impact of running the Oppo analog outputs into the Marantz would be. There are a lot of components in a DVR, and even in pure direct mode the signal path includes the volume control at least so it's likely to be not as nice as feeding directly into the Adcom.

In any case I would definitely try connecting the Oppo directly to the amp. You may find the result to be worth considering reworking your setup to that you have direct amp hookups for your surrounds and center too.

Experimentation like this is a big part of this hobby.

Thanks ehlarson, Yes the Adcom amp is two channel. How would i hook the Oppo into the Adcom? RCA F R/L? then hook my R/L speakers into the Adcom?
under that scenario i will never be able to use the marantz to process any 5.1 from the oppo.
post #4701 of 10059
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Originally Posted by gelly View Post

Thanks ehlarson, Yes the Adcom amp is two channel. How would i hook the Oppo into the Adcom? RCA F R/L? then hook my R/L speakers into the Adcom?
under that scenario i will never be able to use the marantz to process any 5.1 from the oppo.

Larry, the Oppo 105 has extra stereo output. Please have a look. Use it for your Adcom and the 5.1 outputs (or maybe better HDMI) for your Marantz
post #4702 of 10059
Thanks Holzohr. I think for the time being, im going to use the Adcom just to power my multiroom pluged into my Marantz zone 2 and speaker selector. I plan to hook the Oppo into my Marantz via HDMI and 5.1/7.1 analog inputs "for multichannel output" Then I will hook the SQT into the oppo vis dig coax and the apple tv HDMI to the marantz and optical to the Oppo. Any thoughts?
post #4703 of 10059
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

AVCHD`s created by tsMuxeR still do work with the Beta! Only playing of a AVCHD with copied content from a BD, the Oppo rejects this. I can live with that smile.gif
post #4704 of 10059
Thread Starter 
As long as there are no menus, AVCHD will still work with the player.
post #4705 of 10059
dear sirs,

anyone use a music server connected to OPPO via coaxial with Foobar 2000 installed?

Thanks
post #4706 of 10059
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

As long as there are no menus, AVCHD will still work with the player.

That`s what I was hoping.
post #4707 of 10059
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

As long as there are no menus, AVCHD will still work with the player.

That`s what I was hoping.

That's not my experience, but I tried only two things: a direct copy of BDMV into AVCHD, and authoring a new AVCHD with tsMuxeR. Neither worked, no menus involved.

-Bill
post #4708 of 10059
I usually add the extracted tracks from a BD into tsMuxeR. I have tested 5 AVCHD`s so far. No problems.
post #4709 of 10059
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

I usually add the extracted tracks from a BD into tsMuxeR. I have tested 5 AVCHD`s so far. No problems.

You are using the recent beta firmware and AVCHD made from commercial Blu-rays is working for you?

-Bill
post #4710 of 10059
Yes, the recent Beta. Just listening to some DSD-files. I am happy for the moment.
My AVCHD`s are made from commercial BD`s. I use MeGUI for extracting the movie and audio tracks, subtitles and chapters.
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