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post #4741 of 10198
My home theater system is based on the use of an Oppo 105 without a theater processor. It is connected directly to my five channel amp via rca interconnects. Is it possible to connect my subwoofer LFE directly to the Oppo 105 subwoofer output without having to use a processor? I've connected everything properly but not getting a signal to the sub. Subwoofer is on in the speaker set up. All speakers are set to large which defeats bass management. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
post #4742 of 10198
Thread Starter 
Yes. Subwoofers are active so they can be directly connected to the player without any problems.

Ensure that the volume on the subwoofer is set high enough, the crossover on the back of the subwoofer is set to the highest level, and Subwoofer is set to ON on the BDP-105.
post #4743 of 10198
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Originally Posted by falconsprint View Post

On the Oppo it is very noticable. On my other DAC it is normal. The Miles Davis track is cringe worth on the Oppo. I'll try to get a track onto USB before a send it back for repairs.

I think there are different versions of the Miles, so maybe that's why I didn't hear anything. But I did hear it on ricki Lee Jones. Therefore, I don't think it's specific to your machine and something that can be fixed. I have an old Pioneer Elite receiver in the closet that I keep as back-up, I'll have to take it out tomorrow and test it out on that.
post #4744 of 10198
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Originally Posted by drmarg58 View PostMy home theater system is based on the use of an Oppo 105 without a theater processor. It is connected directly to my five channel amp via rca interconnects. Is it possible to connect my subwoofer LFE directly to the Oppo 105 subwoofer output without having to use a processor? I've connected everything properly but not getting a signal to the sub. Subwoofer is on in the speaker set up. All speakers are set to large which defeats bass management. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Cool!  How do you like the sound :) 

 

The speakers need to be set to small to engage the sub, I believe. See page 71 Owner's Manual

 

 

 "The following speaker parameters can be configured:

1. Size : The following speaker size parameters control bass filtering for the speakers.

- Large  – All audio content is passed to the appropriate speaker.

- Small  – All audio content, except for bass frequencies, is passed to the appropriate speaker. The purpose is to reduce possible distortion. If a subwoofer is available, bass frequencies are redirected to the subwoofer, otherwise, they are discarded. The bass frequency upper limit is set by the Crossover Frequency  selection in the Setup Menu  (see page 73 for details).

- Off  – Speaker for the corresponding position does not exist. Audio for the missing speaker is redirected to other speakers or discarded if redirection is not possible.

- On  (for Subwoofer only) – Specifies that a subwoofer is available."

 

P 73: Other Audio Processing Settings

In addition to Speaker Configuration, Crossover Frequency and Dynamic Range Control are audio processing settings that can be configured:

1. Crossover: Allows you to set the Bass Management kick-in frequency for all speakers. When the speaker size is set to Small in Speaker Configuration (see page 71), bass information below this frequency is not passed to the speakers to reduce possible distortion, and if the subwoofer is available, bass information will be redirected to the subwoofer.

 

When all speaker sizes are set to Large, there is no Bass Management.

 

- 40Hz / 60Hz / 80Hz / 90Hz / 100Hz / 110Hz / 120Hz / 150Hz / 200Hz / 250Hz – These are the available crossover frequencies.

You can press the UP/DOWN ARROW buttons and the ENTER buttons to select it. This option applies to all speakers (center, front, surround, and surround back speakers). By default the crossover frequency is 80Hz.

post #4745 of 10198
Question, is it possible for a wav file ripped from a cd via dbpoweramp, to sound better than the source cd it has been ripped from on the oppo? In my mind they are the same recording quality, however to my ears, the wav file sounds better on the oppo than when playing the cd on the oppo...

Any thoughts on this?
post #4746 of 10198
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Originally Posted by gelly View Post

Thanks bob. No the SR7005 is pretty new. How would you suggest setting the 105 up?
I was thinking :
1) 105 into the marantz 7.1 analog(5.1)
2) Oppo into marantz (BD input ) HDMI
3) squeezebox touch into Oppo ( coax) so I can use the Oppo DAC.
4) Apple TV into marantz (HDMI) and optical into Oppo. Although I don't know if this is overkill since I use the Apple TV just for movies.
Thanks in advance.

I don't know enough about your Marantz to know if it has any special requirements, but what you describe should work. Alternatively you could run the AppleTV via HDMI for both video AND audio into the OPPO,
--Bob
post #4747 of 10198
I'm contemplating upgrading from a Motorola HD Dual Tuner DVR DCH3416 supplied by my cable company to a TiVo Premiere (also with two tuners and supplied by my cable company). Has anyone connected a TiVo through the BDP-105? If so, have you noticed any sync or other problems? It seems that setting audio output to 2.0 may solve that problem and I generally listen to Blu-ray discs and DVDs through my TV (connected directly from the BDP-105 via HDMI) so the 2.0 isn't a problem, but I'm curious. I'll note that I haven't experimented with connecting my Motorola to the BDP-105 both because of the problems that some have reported and because I've been thinking about upgrading.

Thank you.
post #4748 of 10198
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Originally Posted by NW. View Post

I'm contemplating upgrading from a Motorola HD Dual Tuner DVR DCH3416 supplied by my cable company to a TiVo Premiere (also with two tuners and supplied by my cable company). Has anyone connected a TiVo through the BDP-105? If so, have you noticed any sync or other problems? It seems that setting audio output to 2.0 may solve that problem and I generally listen to Blu-ray discs and DVDs through my TV (connected directly from the BDP-105 via HDMI) so the 2.0 isn't a problem, but I'm curious. I'll note that I haven't experimented with connecting my Motorola to the BDP-105 both because of the problems that some have reported and because I've been thinking about upgrading.

Thank you.

I have connected the TiVo into the rear HDMI input.
It looks fine but the handshakes are longer than with my AV8801 preamp.
You will get more of them if you send the native resolution from the TiVo.


- Rich
post #4749 of 10198
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Cool!  How do you like the sound smile.gif 

The speakers need to be set to small to engage the sub, I believe. See page 71 Owner's Manual


 "The following speaker parameters can be configured:



1. Size : The following speaker size parameters control bass filtering for the speakers.



- Large  – All audio content is passed to the appropriate speaker.



- Small  – All audio content, except for bass frequencies, is passed to the appropriate speaker. The purpose is to reduce possible distortion. If a subwoofer is available, bass frequencies are redirected to the subwoofer, otherwise, they are discarded. The bass frequency upper limit is set 
by the Crossover Frequency  selection in the Setup Menu  (see page 73 for details).



- Off  – Speaker for the corresponding position does not exist. Audio for the missing speaker is redirected to other speakers or discarded if redirection is not possible.



- On  (for Subwoofer only) – Specifies that a subwoofer is available."




P 73: Other Audio Processing Settings



In addition to Speaker Configuration, Crossover Frequency and Dynamic Range Control are audio processing settings that can be configured:



1. Crossover: Allows you to set the Bass Management kick-in frequency for all speakers. When the speaker size is set to Small in Speaker Configuration (see page 71), bass information below this 
frequency is not passed to the speakers to reduce possible distortion, and if the subwoofer is 
available, bass information will be redirected to the subwoofer.



 



When all speaker sizes are set to 
Large, there is no Bass Management.




- 40Hz / 60Hz / 80Hz / 90Hz / 100Hz / 110Hz / 120Hz / 150Hz / 200Hz / 250Hz – These are the available crossover frequencies.



You can press the UP/DOWN ARROW buttons and the 
ENTER buttons to select it. This option applies to all speakers (center, front, surround, and 
surround back speakers). By default the crossover frequency is 80Hz.



Thank you! I will try the small setting and see if that initiates bass management. So far, I love the sound. Very natural. The cool factor is that it sounds more dynamic than the $28,000 McIntosh system it replaced! D-Sonic makes powerful Class D ampilfiers that sound really good for a great price. Thanks again!
post #4750 of 10198
^ Good stuff! Thanks for that.
--Bob
post #4751 of 10198
Thanks for the effort in verifing the SMB issue Chris, Saved me some time.

Erik
post #4752 of 10198
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Originally Posted by NW. View Post

I'm contemplating upgrading from a Motorola HD Dual Tuner DVR DCH3416 supplied by my cable company to a TiVo Premiere (also with two tuners and supplied by my cable company). Has anyone connected a TiVo through the BDP-105? If so, have you noticed any sync or other problems? It seems that setting audio output to 2.0 may solve that problem and I generally listen to Blu-ray discs and DVDs through my TV (connected directly from the BDP-105 via HDMI) so the 2.0 isn't a problem, but I'm curious. I'll note that I haven't experimented with connecting my Motorola to the BDP-105 both because of the problems that some have reported and because I've been thinking about upgrading.

Thank you.

I've had a TiVo Premiere Elite connected to the BDP-105 via HDMI cable for three months now. The OPPO is connected direct to an amplifier. Yes, there are sync problems on some channels. ESPN and the deuce with as much as a 2 second delay and some of the movie channels. No problem with major network channels, CBS, FOX, NBC, ABC, etc. I believe OPPO is working on the sync problem.

Update: Just checked ESPN and ESPN2 as well as several movie channels and did not see/hear a sync issues.
Edited by elphillips - 4/4/13 at 10:55am
post #4753 of 10198
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post


Following up on this I decided to actually look at what's happening on the wire (using Tcpdump and Wireshark) to find out what SMB version the Oppo-105 really is using. Why guess when you have the tools?

The image above shows my Oppo-105 telling the "server" (my desktop where my shared files reside) what protocols it supports. If the Oppo was capable of SMB 2 or higher there would be additional Dialect: SMB 2.x entries as in the image below. This one not mine, but it's from a Windows 7 system which does support SMB 2 and states so to the server during the Negotiate Protocol Request.

As I suspected, Oppo is not using using SMB2 (or 3) at all.

Thanks to the wonders of Open Source software, Wireshark is freely available for most OS's, so the adventuress may want to "go deep" in their own network.
I trimmed the pictures out for brevity, but is what you're seeing possibly a difference between a Samba implementation and an SMB implementation? It looks like the Oppo is advertising Samba support, while the PC is advertising SMB support. After a quick Google session, it looks like the key is for the 2 devices to have at least 1 common dialects that can be used, so it may not be important to have SMB advertised at all as long as the other device supports something else in the list. The other thing I found is that it's, at best, unclear if Samba should be advertised as a supported dialect (see here). It would be interesting to see the rest of the protocol discussion (specifically the negotiate protocol response, which includes the index of the selected dialect) between the Oppo and the PC you're trying to connect it with and with a Mac running a recent version of OS X to see what it reports. If I find some spare time I'll try to run through a Wireshark session at home to see what's happening on my network, but I don't have anything running OS X and can only test with Windows 7 at the moment. Wireshark is a very useful tool, but it's always a fun time figuring out how to set up the filters to get only what you want for someone who doesn't use it very often biggrin.gif. My guess is that Oppo will need to get an updated implementation integrated - I have no idea where that integrates in the firmware or if it even does. But as Bob, said, this is in interesting addition to the discussion and let's hope it eventually leads to a solution for those who are having problems. With Windows 8, it might be worth seeing if any of the listed protocols can be added to the LAN connection on the PC to get it working. I have no idea what sort of flexibility is available in OS X, but I'm sure there are ways to add additional protocols that aren't installed by default.
post #4754 of 10198
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

I think there are different versions of the Miles, so maybe that's why I didn't hear anything. But I did hear it on ricki Lee Jones. Therefore, I don't think it's specific to your machine and something that can be fixed. I have an old Pioneer Elite receiver in the closet that I keep as back-up, I'll have to take it out tomorrow and test it out on that.

I also believe that this may be a software defect and not hardware. Perhaps something related to the sampling rate upscaling. Once I find a track that I can put on a USB I'll contact Oppo. The Rhapsody tracks have DRM.

It does occur on one of my SACDs, so maybe I'll just lend Oppo my SACD.
post #4755 of 10198
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Originally Posted by drmarg58 View PostThank you! I will try the small setting and see if that initiates bass management. So far, I love the sound. Very natural. The cool factor is that it sounds more dynamic than the $28,000 McIntosh system it replaced! D-Sonic makes powerful Class D ampilfiers that sound really good for a great price. Thanks again!

Which $28,000 McIntosh?

post #4756 of 10198
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Originally Posted by cedricomar View Post

Question, is it possible for a wav file ripped from a cd via dbpoweramp, to sound better than the source cd it has been ripped from on the oppo? In my mind they are the same recording quality, however to my ears, the wav file sounds better on the oppo than when playing the cd on the oppo...

Any thoughts on this?
Yes, I hear this as well using FLAC files on the hard drive. In this case the transport is not being used, and so there is much less vibration and less noise on the power supply. There may also be less jitter.
post #4757 of 10198
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

Samba is an SMB implementation, the name SaMBa says it all. It does have some special features for 'nix boxes introduced by HP that the CIFS kernel module can use if the Samba server enables Unix extensions. These extensions enable Samba to better serve UNIX CIFS clients by supporting features such as symbolic links, hard links, etc. Not useful to Windows clients.

Examining the wire capture a bit further I find in the Session Setup AndX Request:.
  • Native OS: Linux version 2.6.35
  • Native LAN Manager: CIFS VFS Client for Linux

This tells us that the Oppo is running Linux-2.6.35 (released Aug.2010) and using its CIFS kernel module. I'm sure the module has seen many changes between then and now smile.gif

At one time there was a separate smb2.ko prototype module (which, thank goodness, we know from the Session Setup AndX Request the Oppo is not attempting to use) that sometime (I believe late 2010 if not early 2011) was moved to an experimental part of the cifs.ko module. Besides the kernel module gaining features the userland utilities: cifs-utils needed to grow as well and today's mount.cifs claims to allow the user to request the following version support:

SMB protocol version. Allowed values are:
  • 1.0 - The classic CIFS/SMBv1 protocol. This is the default.
  • 2.0 - The SMBv2.002 protocol. This was initially introduced in Windows Vista Service Pack 1, and Windows Server 2008. Note that the initial release version of Windows Vista spoke a slightly different dialect (2.000) that is not supported.
  • 2.1 - The SMBv2.1 protocol that was introduced in Microsoft Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008R2.
  • 3.0 - The SMBv3.0 protocol that was introduced in Microsoft Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
Note too that while this option governs the protocol version used, not all features of each version are available.

In this case userland seems to be a bit ahead of the kernel as I'm running a pretty recent kernel - 3.8.5 - and it still lists SMB2 support for the CIFS module as experimental with no mention of SMB3.

The main thing, though, is that SMB2 and SMB3 support are not important - the Oppo isn't using it, XP doesn't use it, and most likely none of your NAS devices do either. And all of the Windows systems (as well as OSX) support SMB1 by default, out-of-the-box. The Oppo's problem with OSX and Windows 8 is not an SMB2/3 issue. It may be a buggy implementation of cifs.ko in the kernel that they're running (or the bugs may be in OSX and Windows 8) that were either later fixed or workarounds found for Windows 8 and OSX. It may be that they just need a newer version cifs-utils (has the mount.cifs utility) so they can tweak they way they're mounting the shares. Could be something I haven't thought of. But...

Repeat after me - it is not an SMB2/3 issue :-)

Chris

Have you forwarded all this information to Oppo? I suspect it could be useful in fixing the problem.
post #4758 of 10198
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

Samba is an SMB implementation, the name SaMBa says it all.

Repeat after me - it is not an SMB2/3 issue :-)
I wasn't suggesting that it was an SMB2/3 issue, but rather an issue in what dialects are being advertised / available, with the Oppo advertising Samba and the PC advertising the SMB options. I would assume that when the protocol gets selected, the name has to be an exact match, which means that something other than Samba or the SMB dialects will end up getting chosen (in the case of the Oppo / Win7 examples being shown). My assumption is that the first match that's found in the lists of dialects is what will be used, but I haven't read through enough of the documentation to be sure. If no match is found, that's obviously going to be a problem.
post #4759 of 10198
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

I'm sure that their engineers or the engineers of the vendor that sources the "black box" handling this knows all this and more. I'm just surprised that their support staff has not been clue'd in. It's almost like using the SMB2/3 excuse is way too easy as it sounds so logical on the surface.
I wouldn't necessarily count on that. If this is their first implementation of this feature, there may be lots of things they don't know.
post #4760 of 10198
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

I'm sure that their engineers or the engineers of the vendor that sources the "black box" handling this knows all this and more. I'm just surprised that their support staff has not been clue'd in. It's almost like using the SMB2/3 excuse is way too easy as it sounds so logical on the surface.

You've done good work here and it would cost you nothing to forward it to OPPO.

If you don't, I don't think you should call their support clueless in the future.

-Bill
post #4761 of 10198
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

I'm sure that their engineers or the engineers of the vendor that sources the "black box" handling this knows all this and more. I'm just surprised that their support staff has not been clue'd in. It's almost like using the SMB2/3 excuse is way too easy as it sounds so logical on the surface.

You've done good work here and it would cost you nothing to forward it to OPPO.

If you don't, I don't think you should call their support clueless in the future.

-Bill

+1

post #4762 of 10198
Overall BDP-105 Thoughts:

To see the amazing measured performance of the BDP-105 make sure you go to the HI-Fi News website (UK), if you haven’t already, and then to the test results presented by Miller Audio. You'll have to register and get a password, but then looking at the January 1013 issue for the OPPO BDP-105 results you'll find some amazing numbers. Only the test results are presented, not the HI-FI written review so it may take a few minutes to understand what is there but they are amazing. The OPPO compares very favorably with the megabuck dCS Vivaldi Digital system whose measurements are in the February 2013 edition. The quality and thoroughness of Miller Audio’s work for HI-FI News to me makes it by far the best site for measurements on the web.

I've been using the BDP-105 as a preamp since I received it in December 2012. The audio sync issue through the HDMI inputs has been a real problem and aggravation, but the latest beta seems to fix that. Four months was an unacceptably long time to wait for a feature which is listed in OPPO's specs and promotional materials. I had another issue which seemed to relate to some component reacting to heat but a replacement unit has solved that issue.

I drive Anthem P5 amps with no problem using the balanced outputs and the RCA’s. The BDP-105 has a low output impedance (approx. 100 ohms for the balanced output). Assuming a similar number for the RCA’s the BDP-105 should have no problem driving any amplifier I’ve seen even if two channels are driven in parallel for bi-amping purposes.

When used for two channel music (usually classical or jazz) the OPPO-105 is truly excellent. (Revel Salon’s) The video quality is stunning.

One hassle with the BDP-105 is that the last input selected is not retained so if one is using say the HDMI input on the back and then powers off the unit, when again powered on the input is the Blu-Ray Player, not the real HDMI input. I suggested changing to OPPO tech support but was told it would be too confusing for tech support to trouble shoot units if the outputs were retained over power cycles. Personally I disagree with this view of how to evaluate potential features. I also suggested putting the input menu on the top menu and that was thought to have promise.

In summary the BDP-105 has been a frustrating unit for me. It has a great basic hardware design which has been somewhat marred by problematic firmware. The step to acting as a preamp replacement is incomplete. I would buy the BDP-105 again now, but I wish I had waited until now, given the overall issues and the one issue I had requiring replacement of my first unit.
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I agree the Miller Audio test results are very informative, detailed and insanely thorough. By the time you're done, your eyes are glazed over several timesbiggrin.gif!

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Forgive me if this question was answered before. Is there a difference in quality between the 103 and 105 for a SACD playing in bitstream over HDMI?

I just bought the new processor from Marantz Av8801, and I’m wondering if it worth buying the 105 or pick the 103, saving money for a dedicated CD Player.
Edited by adler98 - 4/5/13 at 6:11am
post #4765 of 10198
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Originally Posted by adler98 View Post

Forgive me if this question was answered before. Is there a difference in quality between the 103 and 105 for a SACD playing in bitstream over HDMI?
No. If you were using the analog outputs, there would be a difference.
post #4766 of 10198
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

I agree the Miller Audio test results are very informative, detailed and insanely thorough. By the time you're done, your eyes are glazed over several timesbiggrin.gif!

Yes It is an eye test but all I care about is that it says PASS

 

http://www.milleraudioresearch.com/avtech/index.html  Great site and impressive sets of measurements.

 

I wanted to subscripe to the journal but the cost is obnoxiously expensive: 

http://www.expressmag.com/en-US/magazines/product/description/hi-fi-news/1262/

 

The digital version is a bit better but still a bit too much if you ask me.  19 Pound Sterling

 

I paid $5 for Stereophile digital for the year :)

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Originally Posted by MLM View Post

Here is The Absolute Sound review: http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/oppo-bdp-105-universal-blu-ray-player-and-dac/

Pre-DSD!

-Bill
post #4769 of 10198
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Originally Posted by adler98 View Post

Forgive me if this question was answered before. Is there a difference in quality between the 103 and 105 for a SACD playing in bitstream over HDMI?

I just bought the new processor from Marantz Av8801, and I’m wondering if it worth buying the 105 or pick the 103, saving money for a dedicated CD Player.

I use my 8801 and Oppo 105 in what could be described as multi/ch 2/ch setup .I use bitstream from the 105 for any and all multi/ch processing in the 8801 and use the balanced inputs of the 8801 to tap the Sabre dac's in the 105 for 2/ch sacd ,usb and redbook. for me there is no need for a stand alone cd player with this setup all the bases are covered well and I mean well.

this is a one ,two punch killer combo!
post #4770 of 10198
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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

I've had a TiVo Premiere Elite connected to the BDP-105 via HDMI cable for three months now. The OPPO is connected direct to an amplifier. Yes, there are sync problems on some channels. ESPN and the deuce with as much as a 2 second delay and some of the movie channels. No problem with major network channels, CBS, FOX, NBC, ABC, etc. I believe OPPO is working on the sync problem.

Update: Just checked ESPN and ESPN2 as well as several movie channels and did not see/hear a sync issues.

I wonder if the sync issues with ESPN have to do with mandated delays on live broadcasts (to catch *!@% words).

I have some times seen the ball hit the court and 0.5 sec later heard the thump.
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