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post #481 of 5653
11/27/12 at 7:07am
Which DAC's have you tested it against? I am trying to decide whether to simplify my system (less components). I currently have a Music Hall 25.3 for computer / iPad and a BDP 83 for Cds. Wondering if the 105 measures up to the Music Hall?

Any thoughts or experience?

Thanks,
Rjad3
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post #482 of 5653
11/27/12 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

This has already been discussed in detail several times in the three threads here (103/105 Anticipation, 103 Owner's, and this 105 Owner's) although I don't have a specific post link handy. You might try a Search.
Here's the short form answer:
The Subwoofer output of the multi-channel Analog audio set of outputs is ALWAYS attenuated compared to the other channels. This allows LOUD bass to be carried on that channel without risk of clipping the input of whatever it is cabled to.
As such, volume boost has to be applied to that channel to get it in proper balance with the other channels. Some AVRs will provide a default amount of boost so if the channel is going through an AVR on its way to the Subwoofer, then all or most of the needed boost will already be in place. Some AVRs (e.g., Denon) let you select the amount of boost provided by the AVR as that signal passes through on the way to the Subwoofer.
Otherwise you accomplish the boost by raising the volume knob on the Subwoofer. (If you have OTHER sources feeding that same Subwoofer, then you may also need to REDUCE their output volume trim for the Subwoofer to keep those in balance).
The boost should be applied EXTERNAL to the player -- rather than raising the Subwoofer output trim setting in the player -- unless you are CERTAIN the input you are connecting to has enough input "headroom" that it will not clip for a LOUD bass input signal.
If all speakers in the OPPO are set to either Large or OFF, or if you are playing an SACD disc with DSD-Direct-to-Analog-Conversion engaged, then the amount of boost needed for the Subwoofer output is +10dB. This adjusts for the standard -10dB attenuation that comes from the way the LFE (bass effects) channels are authored.
If any speakers in the OPPO are set to Small (and when you are not playing SACD DSD), then the amount of boost needed for the Subwoofer output is +15dB. The extra +5dB comes from additional attenuation (on top of LFE) applied in the player to make sure there is adequate headroom to carry bass steered into that Subwoofer output from your Small speakers channels, according to your Crossover setting. This doesn't happen for SACD DSD playback, because audio processing (such as Crossover) can not be done to the DSD digital audio signal, and thus all speakers are effectively Large despite your settings.
All of the above ONLY affects the multi-channel Analog outputs. For, e.g., HDMI digital audio, the same sort of stuff is handled automatically by your HDMI-capable sound processor. The speaker configuration settings in the OPPO have no effect on its HDMI audio output.
--Bob
Hi Bob its Eric again , spoke to you the other day. The oppo 105 does not need 10db or 15db boost I have tested this and I have spoke to oppo and they say it has been sorted on these new players. I have connected the oppo up to just a power amp and the sub channel definitely doesn't need boosted. I used the aix calibration disk and everything works perfect.
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post #483 of 5653
11/27/12 at 10:44am
^ That's not correct. All that means is that your Sub's volume is ALREADY set to provide the proper boost.

Try setting speakers to Small in the OPPO and you'll see the additional +5dB boost is needed.
--Bob
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post #484 of 5653
11/27/12 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ That's not correct. All that means is that your Sub's volume is ALREADY set to provide the proper boost.
Try setting speakers to Small in the OPPO and you'll see the additional +5dB boost is needed.
--Bob

Bob is correct here. The correct standard for LFE output is at -10dB. This is done to give appropriate headroom in the channel and to not do this leads to a risk of distortion. Although the Oppo will let you add +10dB, it is highly recommended the +10dB is added later in the chain. In fact almost all modern pre-amplifiers/processors or subwoofers will do this internally so there is no need for special consideration of this fact by the user whatsoever. There are some complications when speakers are set to small and a level of downmixing occurs. In the early days of some multi-channel audio discs, there were some mistakes made with the LFE channel wrongly encoded. As most of this "correction" is hidden from the user, it may be an assumption that in fact it isn't there, but I have tested the 105, and it is outputting at -10dB correctly.

The problem with the 95, and something I strongly disagreed with, is that the output was -15dB in all instances. It was the ONLY player to do this and it was wrong to do so. Every firmware update, and every factory reset, I had to remember to add the 5dB back even though all speakers were set to large.
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post #485 of 5653
11/27/12 at 12:55pm
I hooked up the Optical cable from ATV3 to 105 and and there is a very noticeable lag between sound and picture, what is commonly known as lip sync. Anyone found a solution to this? Thank you
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post #486 of 5653
11/27/12 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ That's not correct. All that means is that your Sub's volume is ALREADY set to provide the proper boost.
Try setting speakers to Small in the OPPO and you'll see the additional +5dB boost is needed.
--Bob[/quote
They are on small still the same
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post #487 of 5653
11/27/12 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

When you Reset the player -- when it is new or after a firmware install -- the Analog Volume is set to max (100). This is in support of the "normal" use of the player -- i.e., connected through a pre-amp that actually controls the volume.
Until you know what's safe for YOUR directly-connected amps and speakers, set that down near 0 before you start playing any audio and then raise it to a comfortable level.
Volume control buttons are on the remote. Volume changes display on the TV screen and also on the player's Front Panel display.
For the 105, the Headphone volume is separate. You can preset the Headphone volume in the Setup menu. I suggest again you start low and then see what's comfortable. When the Headphones are plugged in the Volume and Mute buttons on the remote switch to controlling the Headphone volume (the other audio outputs are automatically muted).
The last Volume that you have set is retained across power cycles, even if the player loses wall power.
--Bob

Is there a significant SQ change to plug the oppo directly into the amps?
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post #488 of 5653
11/27/12 at 5:46pm
I have had my 105 since Wednesday of last week. So far, I am very happy with it.

I am more of an old school audiophile and I am more comfortable with physical media such as SACD or CD's. So, I have some questions about the DLNA network function and the USB input.

1. I have gotten the DLNA network function to work, but it does not "see" my high resolution FLAC files. Is this due to using the Windows Media player? Do I have to download another media player? Any suggestions?

2. Should I not worry about this and use the USB input? Would it sound better using the USB because of the asynchrous function where it would reclock the digital input?

3. To use this, would I have to get a USB "A" to USB "B" cable to connect my computer?

4. I see from the owner's manual, I would have to download a driver. Once all of this is accomplished, how do you play the albums and songs from the computer?

Any suggestions are welcome.

Just a note about the audio from this player and I realize that it will get better when the electronics are broken in more. I have a MSB Link III dac upgraded with the Platinum upsampler which is not to be confused with the original upsampler that was sold. Compared to the MSB, the Oppo is smoother and more analog like. An audiophile cliche, but I am hearing more details that I have not heard before and the MSB is no slouch. In short, the Oppo is more refined. I am eagerly going through my entire music collection.
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post #489 of 5653
11/27/12 at 6:09pm
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A notch above with more all in one devices installed(dac,HP amp ect)
I have the 95 strictly for movies using the analog outs to my ol Arcam AV8.
I was hoping for a huge difference in the analog and vid sections,course Id have to hear or see it myself before purchase.
seems so far if one were into more all in one then I suppose the 105 might be an upgrade choice,
I use components for one purpose dvd(Blu) for one cdp for cds ect.
seems my 83SE(backup) and 95 will stay right here until something major comes out as I use it for just vid and audio.
damn and I wanted to spend some money.

Have you tried the 95 directly to amps? I have an arcam avr300 ( one step below the avr8 I think) and the arcam coloured the sound noticeably. I'm using ST level Bryston amps.
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post #490 of 5653
11/27/12 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by Deanhorn View Post

I have had my 105 since Wednesday of last week. So far, I am very happy with it.
I am more of an old school audiophile and I am more comfortable with physical media such as SACD or CD's. So, I have some questions about the DLNA network function and the USB input.
1. I have gotten the DLNA network function to work, but it does not "see" my high resolution FLAC files. Is this due to using the Windows Media player? Do I have to download another media player? Any suggestions?
2. Should I not worry about this and use the USB input? Would it sound better using the USB because of the asynchrous function where it would reclock the digital input?
3. To use this, would I have to get a USB "A" to USB "B" cable to connect my computer?
4. I see from the owner's manual, I would have to download a driver. Once all of this is accomplished, how do you play the albums and songs from the computer?
Any suggestions are welcome.
Just a note about the audio from this player and I realize that it will get better when the electronics are broken in more. I have a MSB Link III dac upgraded with the Platinum upsampler which is not to be confused with the original upsampler that was sold. Compared to the MSB, the Oppo is smoother and more analog like. An audiophile cliche, but I am hearing more details that I have not heard before and the MSB is no slouch. In short, the Oppo is more refined. I am eagerly going through my entire music collection.

1. that does sound strange. Are you sure the files are in FLAC? Are they in the same folder?

2.You know you can just use a thumb drive or a usb drive, connect and play. There's no driver or asynch usb operation involved.

3. but if you want to use your computer to send the files and not just use a usb drive then yes you need what is a standard usb cable. Though getting something that's at least usb 2.0 certified will help. And I'm talking a $6 cable but not some generic, free or comes with your printer usb cable.

4. well your usb cable connects your computer to the oppo. You play the albums like you'd play them on your computer any other time, you just have to go into your playback device settings and select oppo. But I still think you really just want to connect a usb drive to the oppo and skip all this. The USB DAC part is for people who specifically want or are already using an external DAC (and using thier computer).
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post #491 of 5653
11/27/12 at 8:37pm
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1. I have gotten the DLNA network function to work, but it does not "see" my high resolution FLAC files. Is this due to using the Windows Media player? Do I have to download another media player? Any suggestions?
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WMP is a piss-poor DNLA server, and doesn't support FLAC anyway.
You can use SMB to access ANY file directly the same as a connected HDD.
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post #492 of 5653
11/27/12 at 9:12pm
Hi,
I use JRiver Media Center great review and setup for bit perfect transfer for playback and dbpoweramp to rip my disks to hard drive. The nice thing about the player is that once set up has a small blue light that lights up that tell you it is transferring data bit perfect to the DAC. I am very happy with the audio quality from my HTPC to 105.......it sounds exactly like playing the physical media to my ears. smile.gif
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post #493 of 5653
11/27/12 at 10:15pm
Hey Rick, you are the first one posting here to state you are using JRiver with the 105.

Can you give a bit more detail on your set up? Are you pushing the content to the 105 or pulling it? If the former, any issues with seeing the JRiver front end on the TV/projector/display device?

Thanks,

Dave M
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post #494 of 5653
11/27/12 at 11:26pm
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Hey Rick, you are the first one posting here to state you are using JRiver with the 105.
Can you give a bit more detail on your set up? Are you pushing the content to the 105 or pulling it? If the former, any issues with seeing the JRiver front end on the TV/projector/display device?
Thanks,
Dave M

I am sending music data to the 105 (usb in). I have a secondary 23" monitor beside my rack to see JRiver front end.
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post #495 of 5653
11/28/12 at 12:28am
In the UK, "Hi-Fi News and Record Review Magazine" is teasing on their web page that they have a "Definitive Review" of the BDP-105EU in their January, 2013, issue, which evidently goes on sale in paper form on December 7, but may already be available in one form or another for on-line viewing by subscribers. So for folks on that side of the pond, something to keep an eye out for!
--Bob
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post #496 of 5653
11/28/12 at 1:40am
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Originally Posted by Deanhorn View Post

I have had my 105 since Wednesday of last week. So far, I am very happy with it.

I am more of an old school audiophile and I am more comfortable with physical media such as SACD or CD's. So, I have some questions about the DLNA network function and the USB input.

1. I have gotten the DLNA network function to work, but it does not "see" my high resolution FLAC files. Is this due to using the Windows Media player? Do I have to download another media player? Any suggestions?

2. Should I not worry about this and use the USB input? Would it sound better using the USB because of the asynchrous function where it would reclock the digital input?

3. To use this, would I have to get a USB "A" to USB "B" cable to connect my computer?

4. I see from the owner's manual, I would have to download a driver. Once all of this is accomplished, how do you play the albums and songs from the computer?

Any suggestions are welcome.

Just a note about the audio from this player and I realize that it will get better when the electronics are broken in more. I have a MSB Link III dac upgraded with the Platinum upsampler which is not to be confused with the original upsampler that was sold. Compared to the MSB, the Oppo is smoother and more analog like. An audiophile cliche, but I am hearing more details that I have not heard before and the MSB is no slouch. In short, the Oppo is more refined. I am eagerly going through my entire music collection.

Your FLAC issues are due to trying to use Windows Media Player as your DLNA server, as RDGRIMES posted above. Using SMB to access the files directly off your Windows computer may be the best way to go, although setting up Windows so that SMB access is enabled is apparently something Man is Not Meant to Wot Of.

For use of the Asynchronous USB DAC Input, yes you will need the cable you described (with the correct "B" style plug for the OPPO end), and you will need to install the Windows 7 / Windows XP driver from the OPPO Digital web site's Support page for the BDP-105. (No Windows 8 driver yet -- no driver needed if you use a Mac.)

Once you've done that, the OPPO will show up as a Sound output choice on your Windows computer. Simply select that, and whatever audio your Windows computer is producing will go out as high bit rate Stereo to the OPPO. On the OPPO, use the Input button and select the USB Audio input choice.

Now, how you actually get the Windows PC to play any given audio file depends on the file. You will need an application that knows how to play that particular file type. If the application can play the file and produce audio on the PC's own speakers, then it will be able to send that audio out to the OPPO as well simply by selecting the OPPO as your Sound output device choice.
--Bob
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post #497 of 5653
11/28/12 at 1:43am
Hi.

My first review of the 105 here.
I bought it based on comment on AVS and its capabilities, mainly USB DAC/DLNA up to 24/192 for the audio side (+SACD/DVD-A) and BD/DVD for the Video side.
One of the shadow goal was to reduce the number of component and upgrade the whole system since I recently bought the new Onkyo 818 to feed an old, but amazing pair of Elipson Axial 160.
That being said, I am more than happy to have bought it for a few reasons:
The pairing with my HTPC running J-River Media Center 18 is absolutely fantastic from an audio point of view. I am rediscovering my music collection and enjoy now the hires music that was sleeping. In addition, the quality of J-River MC18 is now revealing itself 100%.
Since I have the PC close to the 105, I hook him through the USB and it is working flawlessly since day one with the downloaded driver.
I use the media center DLNA capacity for the other room music with lesser quality, so I will not comment on the sound differences between USB DAC and DLNA. I'll will try to compare this later.
As for video, the files I threw at it through its networking connection or shiny discs were definitely enhanced compared to my former HDMI PC to AVR connection. Quality of up-sampling is definitely there, bringing more smoothness in frame rate and definition of image.

One annoying drawback is the content of folders accessed that is not in order, even if I did some re-indexing of my files/folder. looks to be a known issue to be fixed, hopefully in a soon to come firmware update...
Also I have now to buy a decent pair of surround speaker as my old Yamaha (no laugh) surround speakers are far form pairing...

It's been 2 weeks already and I enjoy it everyday, in short the audio part of it made me starting again to annoy the wife with the sound level I am listening now to music!!!
More to come on the Networking side of it to integrate fully the video processing of MC18.

An happy Oppo owner.
Kami
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post #498 of 5653
11/28/12 at 1:46am
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Originally Posted by audiman View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

When you Reset the player -- when it is new or after a firmware install -- the Analog Volume is set to max (100). This is in support of the "normal" use of the player -- i.e., connected through a pre-amp that actually controls the volume.
Until you know what's safe for YOUR directly-connected amps and speakers, set that down near 0 before you start playing any audio and then raise it to a comfortable level.
Volume control buttons are on the remote. Volume changes display on the TV screen and also on the player's Front Panel display.
For the 105, the Headphone volume is separate. You can preset the Headphone volume in the Setup menu. I suggest again you start low and then see what's comfortable. When the Headphones are plugged in the Volume and Mute buttons on the remote switch to controlling the Headphone volume (the other audio outputs are automatically muted).
The last Volume that you have set is retained across power cycles, even if the player loses wall power.
--Bob

Is there a significant SQ change to plug the oppo directly into the amps?

Not enough information. It depends on the other equipment that you might otherwise be using between the player and the amps. It also depends upon the quality of your amps and speakers, and your own critical listening faculties.

For some folks the answer will be YES, because their AVR or sound processor is not very good, but their amps, speakers and ears ARE good.

The only way to really know is to get the 105 and try it in your room, with your equipment, your ears, and the content you like to play. See if you can hear a reason to prefer one style of hookup over another.

If you buy direct from the OPPO Digital web page, they offer an easy 30-day return policy so you can try this stuff in your own setup and come to your own decision. All you risk is the shipping costs.
--Bob
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post #499 of 5653
11/28/12 at 1:53am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ That's not correct. All that means is that your Sub's volume is ALREADY set to provide the proper boost.
Try setting speakers to Small in the OPPO and you'll see the additional +5dB boost is needed.
--Bob
They are on small still the same

Again, all this means is that the current volume knob setting on your Sub happens to be correct. If you are using Small speaker settings in the OPPO (and NOT playing SACD discs using DSD-Direct-to-Analog-Conversion), then the multi-channel Analog Subwoofer output boost needed is +15dB, which of course can be accomplished by setting the Sub volume knob that way.

If you now change ALL the speakers to Large (or OFF), then the boost needed will be only +10dB. The change in Subwoofer output level (at the same volume knob setting on the Sub) should be easy to hear.

If you are not hearing this then something is screwed up in your setup. I.e., you are not listening to what you think you are listening to.
--Bob
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11/28/12 at 1:55am
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I hooked up the Optical cable from ATV3 to 105 and and there is a very noticeable lag between sound and picture, what is commonly known as lip sync. Anyone found a solution to this? Thank you

This is a bug that OPPO has to fix. There is inherent sync error when the digital audio inputs are compared against video. OPPO Engineering are working on it. Since Audio is lagging video (already too MUCH audio delay), there is nothing you'll be able to do to counter this yourself. That is, adding audio delay in your AVR (for example) will just make things worse.
--Bob
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post #501 of 5653
11/28/12 at 4:52am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Give OPPO Tech Support a call and they can sort this out for you. It is possible your Display is flooding the room with Infrared light and thus obscuring the remote, or that the remote is faulty. If you are trying to use some sort of extender for the remote that could also be the problem.
Double check that the batteries are inserted the correct way around. And try another pair of batteries as you may have had the bad luck to get a dud pair in your first replacement. It happens.
If necessary, OPPO can send out a replacement remote easily enough.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. Went through a reset procedure from Oppo which did not work. They are sending a replacement
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post #502 of 5653
11/28/12 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

This is a bug that OPPO has to fix. There is inherent sync error when the digital audio inputs are compared against video. OPPO Engineering are working on it. Since Audio is lagging video (already too MUCH audio delay), there is nothing you'll be able to do to counter this yourself. That is, adding audio delay in your AVR (for example) will just make things worse.
--Bob

Lets hope it can be fixed!
Edited by scanspeak - 11/28/12 at 5:42pm
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11/28/12 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by RickS View Post

I am sending music data to the 105 (usb in). I have a secondary 23" monitor beside my rack to see JRiver front end.
There are also ways that JRiver can be controlled from an iPad (or other tablets or handheld devices) which may be more convenient for some.
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post #504 of 5653
11/28/12 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by Deanhorn View Post

I have had my 105 since Wednesday of last week. So far, I am very happy with it.
I am more of an old school audiophile and I am more comfortable with physical media such as SACD or CD's. So, I have some questions about the DLNA network function and the USB input.
1. I have gotten the DLNA network function to work, but it does not "see" my high resolution FLAC files. Is this due to using the Windows Media player? Do I have to download another media player? Any suggestions?
2. Should I not worry about this and use the USB input? Would it sound better using the USB because of the asynchrous function where it would reclock the digital input?
3. To use this, would I have to get a USB "A" to USB "B" cable to connect my computer?
4. I see from the owner's manual, I would have to download a driver. Once all of this is accomplished, how do you play the albums and songs from the computer?
Any suggestions are welcome.
Just a note about the audio from this player and I realize that it will get better when the electronics are broken in more. I have a MSB Link III dac upgraded with the Platinum upsampler which is not to be confused with the original upsampler that was sold. Compared to the MSB, the Oppo is smoother and more analog like. An audiophile cliche, but I am hearing more details that I have not heard before and the MSB is no slouch. In short, the Oppo is more refined. I am eagerly going through my entire music collection.


Suggest using Asset UPnP DLNA server. This is a server designed exclusively for audio play back.
Highest recommendation.

Styln
Edited by Styln - 11/28/12 at 5:51pm
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post #505 of 5653
11/28/12 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by Deanhorn View Post

I have had my 105 since Wednesday of last week. So far, I am very happy with it.
I am more of an old school audiophile and I am more comfortable with physical media such as SACD or CD's. So, I have some questions about the DLNA network function and the USB input.
1. I have gotten the DLNA network function to work, but it does not "see" my high resolution FLAC files. Is this due to using the Windows Media player? Do I have to download another media player? Any suggestions?
2. Should I not worry about this and use the USB input? Would it sound better using the USB because of the asynchrous function where it would reclock the digital input?
3. To use this, would I have to get a USB "A" to USB "B" cable to connect my computer?
4. I see from the owner's manual, I would have to download a driver. Once all of this is accomplished, how do you play the albums and songs from the computer?
Any suggestions are welcome.
Just a note about the audio from this player and I realize that it will get better when the electronics are broken in more. I have a MSB Link III dac upgraded with the Platinum upsampler which is not to be confused with the original upsampler that was sold. Compared to the MSB, the Oppo is smoother and more analog like. An audiophile cliche, but I am hearing more details that I have not heard before and the MSB is no slouch. In short, the Oppo is more refined. I am eagerly going through my entire music collection.

Deanhorn, I was in the same boat as you when I first started to use my Oppo 105. The problem with Windows Media Player (WMP) is that natively it does not recgonize flac files. Here is a link to a article on how to get WMP to accept flac files and then they will work as with all natively recognized files in WMP. http://www.codeemporium.com/2009/11/26/convincing-flac-files-to-play-in-windows-media-player-12/

Follow the instructions in the link, I didn't need to reboot as suggested. I am using Windows 7 and WMP12, I also am using a wired networked connection. I'm old school as well, trying to catch up a little on all this new fangled stuff. Now I just use my computer as the server and really enjoy not having to load a CD or SACD. Making and using your on play list is great with the ability to mix music and different formats at the same time.

I hope this helps!

Now, if I could just find a way to play my dsf files, or a one step process to convert them to wav or flac I would feel content.
Edited by oldav - 11/28/12 at 8:10am
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post #506 of 5653
11/28/12 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by Deanhorn View Post

I have had my 105 since Wednesday of last week. So far, I am very happy with it.
I am more of an old school audiophile and I am more comfortable with physical media such as SACD or CD's. So, I have some questions about the DLNA network function and the USB input.
1. I have gotten the DLNA network function to work, but it does not "see" my high resolution FLAC files. Is this due to using the Windows Media player? Do I have to download another media player? Any suggestions?
2. Should I not worry about this and use the USB input? Would it sound better using the USB because of the asynchrous function where it would reclock the digital input?
3. To use this, would I have to get a USB "A" to USB "B" cable to connect my computer?
4. I see from the owner's manual, I would have to download a driver. Once all of this is accomplished, how do you play the albums and songs from the computer?
Any suggestions are welcome.
Just a note about the audio from this player and I realize that it will get better when the electronics are broken in more. I have a MSB Link III dac upgraded with the Platinum upsampler which is not to be confused with the original upsampler that was sold. Compared to the MSB, the Oppo is smoother and more analog like. An audiophile cliche, but I am hearing more details that I have not heard before and the MSB is no slouch. In short, the Oppo is more refined. I am eagerly going through my entire music collection.

I am coming to the same conclusion with the 105, I have a MSB DAC too. At first I felt the DAC was giving me more attack and dynamics, but now I realize this was at the cost of graininess and a forward sound that the Oppo has eliminated. I am not sure it was the Oppo that needed break in time or my ears that needed time to hear the difference.
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post #507 of 5653
11/28/12 at 8:20am
Looking at getting the 105, for a few reasons. One is not likely to be valid, between the 95 and the 105, but here goes. The two video outputs, from the 95, apparently, in certain cases require an LCD, connected output to have a negotiated handshake to allow the projector to handshake. A case in point is a Sony LCD and a JVC rs45 projector, connected by Vanco baluns. HDMI out 1, to projector is the most likely to work, with the LCD powered off, by remote, but no joy. Switching outputs, also gives no joy. The inverse is not a problem. Removing the HDMI cable from the balun input to the LCD, of course allows the projector to handshake , from a reboot. Really don't want to add another box (HDMI switcher) even if that could work.

Could someone, Bob?, try and duplicate, the experience (if running a setup that has two disparate display devices, for example, with similar handshake behavior, or better, no handshake difficulty) as the 95 gives above and post?

Thank you very much

Fury
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post #508 of 5653
11/28/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by audiman View Post

Is there a significant SQ change to plug the oppo directly into the amps?

How significant will depend on what you are removing, but typically as a rule of thumb, less is better. Removing any uncessary components will reduce source degradation thus preserving the source detail.
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post #509 of 5653
11/28/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by Styln View Post

Just can't find the time for a full review so here is an instalment. I've added my equipment list in my profile so look there if you're interested. Also, unlike previous reviews, I won't be doing an A/B comparison. The systems are already split-up and I'm trying a less is more approach to my main listening system.
I burned-in the BDP-105 for about 5 days without listening to it until this review. Setup was done with the AIX Records audio calibration disc that came with my 83/SE and my trusty Radio Shack SPL meter. After level setting, I used the Stay In Tune With PentaTone SACD setup disc to ensure 5.1 SACD was also setup correctly. Because I am trimming some channels SACD --> PCM is applied. This system is an all audio system, and it is not standard or typical in that it is a 4.0 with all speakers capable of producing full-range sound. Finally, for this test, I removed my Audio Research MP-1 multi-channel pre-amp and connected the BDP-105 directly to the amps using RCA cables/connectors. The front speakers are driven via the stereo outputs in LT/RT mode.
Overall Impressions
I really like the sound of this player. It has the Oppo house sound and therefore, has the same timbre/tonal qualities of the 83SE I've been listening to for years now. This is a very good thing! My take of the Oppo house sound is it's detailed and cool. By cool I mean, there is no tube softness, rolling of transients, etc. If you like to hear the detail, good and bad, this player will let you hear all your system will reveal.
Soundstage sounds a bit wider, but it was already excellent. The soundscape has no problem expending beyond the outer edges of the speakers. Imaging too, is excellent with everything placed correctly. Hard to say, but I'll bet there is a bit more placement delineation between vocals/instruments with this deck. Everything is spatially separated and easy to hear. A wide soundstage with pinpoint imaging means I really enjoyed my listening session today.
Because I made two changes to the system (removing the pre-amp and replacing the 83SE) I was very concerned that I would lose system synergy. Happily, this was not the case smile.gif Feeding the BDP-105 variable outputs directly to the amps is working very well: rock still drives and jazz still swings. To me, this is the most important sound related test, because if a component doesn't have system synergy, then I send it back.
Bass Testing
Wood - Brian Bromberg - CD
Love Deluxe - Sade - CD
New York Reunion - McCoy Tyner Quartet 2.0 SACD
Machine Head - Deep Purple: 5.1 SACD
I used these four albums for bass testing. Wood is a phenomenal album that displays both traditional and unique bass sytles and sounds. Here I am listening for tone, over-tones, and most importantly, to be wowed by Brian's virtuosity. If I'm not impressed/floored by what he does, then the system has failed. With Sade, I'm listening for a seamless immersiveness that only the Ice Princess can evoke in me. There is a lot of flowing bass here, and I expect it to be pervasive and enveloping without exhibiting sloppy transitions. On New York Reunion, Ron Carter is the man. The syncopation on the opening number needs to make me smile, if not burst out laughing for joy. I just love that opening! Not bass related, but I always listen to "Ask Me Now" on that album because Joe Henderson's sax solo will tell you a lot about your system. Finally, I listen to Machine Head. The electric tube bass sound is just captured so faithfully on this album. I love to crank this one up and see if the system will rock-out.
As you can probably guess, I am completely satisfied with how the deck played these albums. Everything I heard was rendered with incredible detail and beauty. I had no problem connecting to the music. The bass was deep and tight. Overtones vividly apparent. So this round of the test the BDP-105 gets an A+ from me.
Time permitting, I'll do another review or two focusing on the treble and the midrange for vocals and instrumentals. However, based on what I heard today, it's hard to imagine a flaw serious enough that it would change my opinion.
Finally, all listening was done with discs today. I still have reservations regarding DLNA control and need to spend more time to see if the going silent in the middle of song problem persists with a different server. My hat is off to Oppo for making such great sounding equipment and for letting people try it in their system before fully committing.
Styln

Styln, very informative and credible review. Thanks for taking the time to post that.
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post #510 of 5653
11/28/12 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

This is a bug that OPPO has to fix. There is inherent sync error when the digital audio inputs are compared against video. OPPO Engineering are working on it. Since Audio is lagging video (already too MUCH audio delay), there is nothing you'll be able to do to counter this yourself. That is, adding audio delay in your AVR (for example) will just make things worse.
--Bob

Thank you, for now I am using this connection to access my iCloud music and it does sound fantastic.
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