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post #4861 of 10239
I just purchased a 105 having upgraded from a 95. Purpose of the upgrade was to use the 105's hdmi inputs. While the analog sound is expectedly very good and the video is as good as itg gets, I am very disappointed with the player in that the HDMI inputs don't work with Roku. The screen on my plasma that says "HDCP unauthorized. Content disabled". I have switched HDMI cables and have tried both HDMI input ports to no avail. I can hear the sound but there is no video. Oppo support even provided a beta of their firmware beyond the one they post on their website that is tweaked to solve this problem, but alas that does not work either. So I just spent $1000 on a device with hdmi inputs that don't work properly. You would think that after 4-5 months they would have major bugs like that worked out. Disappointed with Oppo and their "not yet ready for prime time" product. I still have my 95; depending on if they can fix this issue, I may send the 105 back and keep my trusty 95. In my opinion it looks like they may have rushed this product out the door too soon. Maybe I am being a little harsh but I would expect the basic functionality to work.
post #4862 of 10239

Oppo corporate (in China) is implementing this Dirac room correction system in their products. Its inner workings seem rather cool...

 

http://www.dirac.se/en/news-events/latest-news/introducing-the-dirac-live-room-correction-suite.aspx

 

http://www.dirac.se/en/news-events/latest-news/oppo-enters-licensing-agreement-with-dirac.aspx

 

 

Maybe the next version player (203/205) will implement it as well in some form?

 

Review of the Dirac system at: http://www.soundstagexperience.com/index.php/wesworld-menu/feature-articles-reviews-menu/441-computer-audio-finds-part-one-dirac-research-live-room-correction-suite


Edited by dmusoke - 4/9/13 at 11:45pm
post #4863 of 10239
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

My back left and back right speaker sound is eminating from the left and right surround. The player is set for 7.1 and I'm using the Disney WOW blu ray disc. My L,C and R speakers are directly connected to amps, the 4 surrounds are connected to a receiver that powers the 4 surrounds. I hear the L& R surrounds, but the BR & BL channels are heard through the L&R surrounds.
Rather than the test disc, what happens when you activate the test tones inside the player? Do all 7.1 tones come from the right place?

On the receiver, I assume you are using 4 channels of a multichannel analog input.
post #4864 of 10239
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Oppo corporate (in China) is implementing this Dirac room correction system in their products. Its inner workings seem rather cool...

http://www.dirac.se/en/news-events/latest-news/introducing-the-dirac-live-room-correction-suite.aspx

http://www.dirac.se/en/news-events/latest-news/oppo-enters-licensing-agreement-with-dirac.aspx


Maybe the next version player (203/205) will implement it as well in some form?

Review of the Dirac system at: http://www.soundstagexperience.com/index.php/wesworld-menu/feature-articles-reviews-menu/441-computer-audio-finds-part-one-dirac-research-live-room-correction-suite


Have been waiting for this feature for a while. It will definitely make the oppo player a truly complete high quality digital audio/video solution. Will blindly purchase when it is implemented.
post #4865 of 10239
Just when I thought I had purchased my last $1000.00+ player
post #4866 of 10239
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Originally Posted by Regnad View Post


Also, tracks are out of order in both number and letter.

That's a known issue for SMB shares and applies to all file types.

We hope for a fix in future firmware.

There is a server-side fix for those running Samba.

-Bill
post #4867 of 10239
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

That's the preamp I use. It's one of the few pure-analog multi-channel preamps, other than the Parasound, and some discontinued models from other manufacturers that you can sometimes find on audiogon.

It's kind of amazing that people buy a 105, and then either run the output back through A/D//D/A, or hope that the bypass on their not-pure-analog preamp is a true (as in relay-based) bypass.

The Onkyo PR-SC5507 and Marantz AV8801 do not perform a A/D conversion on the 7.1 inputs.
One way to know, is to check out the manual and make sure the surround processing modes and Audyssey are NOT available.
Otherwise, then you have to contact the manufacturer and inquire about the implementation.

- Rich
post #4868 of 10239
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

The Onkyo PR-SC5507 and Marantz AV8801 do not perform a A/D conversion on the 7.1 inputs.
One way to know, is to check out the manual and make sure the surround processing modes and Audyssey are NOT available.
Otherwise, then you have to contact the manufacturer and inquire about the implementation.

- Rich

I thought the whole point of having multichannel analog on a AVR/processor was to avoid having any A/D and room correction to allow for pure onboard decoding of your source, all by default. Are there any processors out there that apply room correction or A/D to 7.1 analog?
post #4869 of 10239
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

I thought the whole point of having multichannel analog on a AVR/processor was to avoid having any A/D and room correction to allow for pure onboard decoding of your source, all by default. Are there any processors out there that apply room correction or A/D to 7.1 analog?
The Denon AVP-A1HDCI (and sibling AVR-5808CI receiver) can be configured to handle the 7.1 analog input either way. So you can bypass all processing and keep the signal analog or convert it to digital to use the bass management and Audyssey if desired. One reason why most AVR's and processors don't allow digitizing the 7.1 inputs is that it's (relatively) expensive to digitize the 7.1 input at a quality level that won't degrade the audio quality, so it's an easy way to keep the costs down. You only tend to find the option to digitize the 7.1 inputs on more expensive products.
post #4870 of 10239
I found out what the problem was and it was my fault. The unit had the back surrounds set to none which I changed to small but didn't work because I had not restarted the unit. problem solved.smile.gif
post #4871 of 10239
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

I thought the whole point of having multichannel analog on a AVR/processor was to avoid having any A/D and room correction to allow for pure onboard decoding of your source, all by default. Are there any processors out there that apply room correction or A/D to 7.1 analog?

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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

The Denon AVP-A1HDCI (and sibling AVR-5808CI receiver) can be configured to handle the 7.1 analog input either way. So you can bypass all processing and keep the signal analog or convert it to digital to use the bass management and Audyssey if desired. One reason why most AVR's and processors don't allow digitizing the 7.1 inputs is that it's (relatively) expensive to digitize the 7.1 input at a quality level that won't degrade the audio quality, so it's an easy way to keep the costs down. You only tend to find the option to digitize the 7.1 inputs on more expensive products.

If you want to do room correction, then it may be better to keep the signal in the digital domain and avoid extra conversions.
Many processors that do not digitize the 7.1, do digitize the XLR (balanced) 2 channel inputs.

- Rich
post #4872 of 10239
Is anyone running REW with their Oppo? I have my laptop connected to the front HDMI input on the player, and I'm having a bit of trouble with bass management. Assuming the 105 is in analog mode, the Oppo should be handling bass management, correct? The answer seems obviously yes, but for some reason when I make a full-range measurement, the bass signal is very low, and when I measure the sub alone, the signal is fine. I checked the speaker configuration settings in the laptop's sound panel and whatever I set it to has no effect. Do I need a receiver for bass management to work with REW?
Edited by Pres2play - 4/10/13 at 12:13pm
post #4873 of 10239
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

If you want to do room correction, then it may be better to keep the signal in the digital domain and avoid extra conversions.
Many processors that do not digitize the 7.1, do digitize the XLR (balanced) 2 channel inputs.
Absolutely, there are very few cases where it makes sense to digitize an analog signal when the source device has a digital option available - I was just answering the question biggrin.gif.
post #4874 of 10239
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Is anyone running REW with their Oppo? I have my laptop connected to the front HDMI input on the player, and I'm having a bit of trouble with bass management. Assuming the 105 is in analog mode, the Oppo should be handling bass management, correct? The answer seems obviously yes, but for some reason when I make a full-range management, the bass signal is very low, and when I measure the sub alone, the signal is fine. I checked the speaker configuration settings in the laptop's sound panel and whatever I set it to has no effect. Do I need a receiver for bass management to work with REW?
What do you mean regarding the Oppo being "in analog mode"? The speaker configuration settings in the Oppo setup only apply to the analog outputs. If you're using the HDMI or other digital outputs on the Oppo, then speaker configuration would be taken care of by whatever those outputs are connected to whether it's an AVR or something else. Similarly, most speaker configuration settings on a PC won't apply if you're using the HDMI output.
post #4875 of 10239
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

What do you mean regarding the Oppo being "in analog mode"? The speaker configuration settings in the Oppo setup only apply to the analog outputs. If you're using the HDMI or other digital outputs on the Oppo, then speaker configuration would be taken care of by whatever those outputs are connected to whether it's an AVR or something else. Similarly, most speaker configuration settings on a PC won't apply if you're using the HDMI output.

The Oppo is functioning as my prepro; it's connected directly to my power amps. I'm using the HDMI "input" on the front of the player, not any of the outputs. I would imagine that any input signal, from another player (or laptop) hooked up to that HDMI input would go through the Oppo's internal bass management as well. If this is not the case, what's the point of the HDMI input? I would rather just connect the "other" source to a receiver. If you are correct, though, it would answer my original question, which is do I need a receiver to run REW from my laptop.
post #4876 of 10239
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post


I thought the whole point of having multichannel analog on a AVR/processor was to avoid having any A/D and room correction to allow for pure onboard decoding of your source, all by default. Are there any processors out there that apply room correction or A/D to 7.1 analog?

McIntosh MX-150/151

post #4877 of 10239
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

The Oppo is functioning as my prepro; it's connected directly to my power amps. I'm using the HDMI "input" on the front of the player, not any of the outputs. I would imagine that any input signal, from another player (or laptop) hooked up to that HDMI input would go through the Oppo's internal bass management as well. If this is not the case, what's the point of the HDMI input? I would rather just connect the "other" source to a receiver. If you are correct, though, it would answer my original question, which is do I need a receiver to run REW from my laptop.
As I said, if you're using the analog audio outputs on the Oppo, then the speaker configuration settings you make on the Oppo apply. Note that this is for the 7.1 outputs. If you're using the stereo outputs, in the default configuration of a 2 channel downmix, then the speaker configuration settings don't apply because there's nothing to configure there. If you reconfigure the stereo outputs to be front left/right, then the configuration settings apply to those also. Give us more info on EXACTLY how you have everything connected and we can give you better advice.
post #4878 of 10239
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

I thought the whole point of having multichannel analog on a AVR/processor was to avoid having any A/D and room correction to allow for pure onboard decoding of your source, all by default. Are there any processors out there that apply room correction or A/D to 7.1 analog?

Mcintosh MX151/150 converts every input to digital. No pure analog in. The thought was every input would benefit from RoomPerfect. I still say they should've included analog bypass as an option.
post #4879 of 10239
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Originally Posted by monicard View Post

I just purchased a 105 having upgraded from a 95. Purpose of the upgrade was to use the 105's hdmi inputs. While the analog sound is expectedly very good and the video is as good as itg gets, I am very disappointed with the player in that the HDMI inputs don't work with Roku. The screen on my plasma that says "HDCP unauthorized. Content disabled". I have switched HDMI cables and have tried both HDMI input ports to no avail. I can hear the sound but there is no video. Oppo support even provided a beta of their firmware beyond the one they post on their website that is tweaked to solve this problem, but alas that does not work either. So I just spent $1000 on a device with hdmi inputs that don't work properly. You would think that after 4-5 months they would have major bugs like that worked out. Disappointed with Oppo and their "not yet ready for prime time" product. I still have my 95; depending on if they can fix this issue, I may send the 105 back and keep my trusty 95. In my opinion it looks like they may have rushed this product out the door too soon. Maybe I am being a little harsh but I would expect the basic functionality to work.

Although I don't use it much, it does work for me. You hooked up to the HDMI IN? And do you have the Oppo input set correctly?
post #4880 of 10239
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

The Onkyo PR-SC5507 and Marantz AV8801 do not perform a A/D conversion on the 7.1 inputs.
One way to know, is to check out the manual and make sure the surround processing modes and Audyssey are NOT available.
Otherwise, then you have to contact the manufacturer and inquire about the implementation.

- Rich

If you trust them.

If they run the signal through anything other than a relay, their bypass can color the signal.
post #4881 of 10239
Sorry if this has been asked many times. If I am not planning on using the Oppo as a music player, is there an advantage to going with the 105 over the 103?
post #4882 of 10239
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Originally Posted by Goosey View Post

Sorry if this has been asked many times. If I am not planning on using the Oppo as a music player, is there an advantage to going with the 105 over the 103?

Depends on what you are going to connect it to. If you have an analog preamp, or hook up directly to power amps, then the superb analog section in the 105 probably beats anything else you would use. If you are going to run the signal through any kind of digital processing, there's really no point to the 105--just get a 103.
post #4883 of 10239
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

As I said, if you're using the analog audio outputs on the Oppo, then the speaker configuration settings you make on the Oppo apply. Note that this is for the 7.1 outputs. If you're using the stereo outputs, in the default configuration of a 2 channel downmix, then the speaker configuration settings don't apply because there's nothing to configure there. If you reconfigure the stereo outputs to be front left/right, then the configuration settings apply to those also. Give us more info on EXACTLY how you have everything connected and we can give you better advice.

Yes, but do they apply if one is using the HDMI input on the OPPO? Has anyone here tried? When I connect my Asus laptop to the OPPO's HDMI input, the player does not perform bass management; it does not route the bass signals to the subwoofer, it treats the signal as LARGE. Here's a graph to prove my point. It's a full range measurement of my left front speaker set to SMALL and my 2-day old Hsu ULS-15 sub, with XO at 100Hz and 1/6 smoothing.

Notice roll-off at 50 Hz...


Here's the same measurement, this time using my Yamaha AVR, instead of the OPPO.



The trace you see in the first image is actually the main speaker rolling off well below the crossover point. The bottom sub informatiion is missing. It's also less smooth than the second graph, maybe because it's stressed.

I measured the sub separately and it, too, showed no stopping at the crossover. It played well into 300 Hz. This shows there's no cutoff between the high and low frequencies in the OPPO.


Does anyone else get the same?
post #4884 of 10239
Thank you for the input on connecting a TiVo to the BDP-105.

I have a question about an intermittent problem I'm having playing FLAC files from HD Tracks, namely that I get periodic dropouts. Actually, it's more like dropdowns because the volume will fall and sound like it is going to disappear, but then the volume will come back up. This is playing FLAC files of John Coltrane's "Blue Train". I first noticed it last week on the song "Blue Train" and just noticed it again, but I can't be certain that it's happening in the same places. I also just noticed a less severe dropdown in "Moment's Notice". I haven't noticed the same thing in other HD Tracks files yet, but I only have their free sampler and two paid albums. I'm playing the files from a SanDisk 64GB Cruzer (red plastic insert, if that helps identify it) connected directly to the USB port on the front panel of the BDP-105. I'm using the most recent official firmware (1220).

Is anyone else having the same problem?
post #4885 of 10239
Has anyone installed the region free hardware chip kit being sold on ebay? experiences?
What are the options available to make the 103 and 105 region free besides the above?
post #4886 of 10239
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Originally Posted by rman66 View Post

Has anyone installed the region free hardware chip kit being sold on ebay? experiences?
What are the options available to make the 103 and 105 region free besides the above?

The FAQ lists the mods we know about: Region Free Modifications

-Bill
post #4887 of 10239
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

If you trust them.

If they run the signal through anything other than a relay, their bypass can color the signal.

It is a matter of implementation and interpretation wink.gif

On the some Marantz and (some Denon) the XLR input still apply double bass (LFE+MAIN) so I think it is reasonable to assume that there is a D/A going on.
On the Marantz the 7.1 do not support LFE+Main, but that may not be true of the top-of-the line Denon's.

- Rich
post #4888 of 10239
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

As I said, if you're using the analog audio outputs on the Oppo, then the speaker configuration settings you make on the Oppo apply. Note that this is for the 7.1 outputs. If you're using the stereo outputs, in the default configuration of a 2 channel downmix, then the speaker configuration settings don't apply because there's nothing to configure there. If you reconfigure the stereo outputs to be front left/right, then the configuration settings apply to those also. Give us more info on EXACTLY how you have everything connected and we can give you better advice.

Yes, but do they apply if one is using the HDMI input on the OPPO? Has anyone here tried? When I connect my Asus laptop to the OPPO's HDMI input, the player does not perform bass management; it does not route the bass signals to the subwoofer, it treats the signal as LARGE. Here's a graph to prove my point. It's a full range measurement of my left front speaker set to SMALL and my 2-day old Hsu ULS-15 sub, with XO at 100Hz and 1/6 smoothing.

Notice roll-off at 50 Hz...


Here's the same measurement, this time using my Yamaha AVR, instead of the OPPO.



The trace you see in the first image is actually the main speaker rolling off well below the crossover point. The bottom sub informatiion is missing. It's also less smooth than the second graph, maybe because it's stressed.

I measured the sub separately and it, too, showed no stopping at the crossover. It played well into 300 Hz. This shows there's no cutoff between the high and low frequencies in the OPPO.


Does anyone else get the same?

No problem here.

TEST METHOD:

For this test you will need the AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray, an SPL meter, and an OPPO BDP-93 player cabled HDMI 1 output to Rear HDMI Input of the 105

Preliminaries

1) I set my Anthem D2v to use HDMI 1 video from the 105 with 6-channel Analog audio from the 105 (I'm using the Dedicated Stereo L/R RCA jacks in lieu of the normal LF/RF jacks from the multi-channel set -- with Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT). The 6-channel Analog audio input in the D2v was set to ANALOG-DIRECT which disables Anthem Room Correction, Crossover processing in the Anthem itself, and any other audio processing in the Anthem.

2) Set the BDP-93 to 1080p output with HDMI Audio LPCM output.

3) Set the 105 Audio Processing > Speaker Configuration so all Speakers are Small. Since my D2v only provides +10dB boost on the Analog LFE input, I also needed to raise the LFE level by another +5dB to deal with the -15dB attenuation of the Analog LFE output when any speakers are Small. For this test, I accomplished that by setting the Subwoofer Volume Trim in the 105 to +5dB.

4) Set the 105 to Crossover 100Hz.

Baseline Result -- Disc Playback in the 105

1) Load the AIX disc in the 105 and play the Channel ID > LPCM 5.1 track. Use the SPL meter to verify your speaker levels are correct (adjust if necessary).

2) Now play the Subwoofer Crossover Test track. This is an LPCM 2.0 track that sends a tone to Left Front (only) which sweeps up and down in frequency from well below to well above the Crossover frequencies. At the high frequency end, all the audio should be coming from your Left Front speaker. At the low frequency end, all the audio should be coming from your Subwoofer due to the effect of the 100Hz Crossover. If your Sub is set up properly and the bass response characteristics of your listening room are properly dealt with, this test will produce constant volume from end to end (except for the very lowest frequencies which are hard to hear). That's a very tough test, but not necessary to pass so perfectly for what we are confirming here. Right now all you need to do is verify that the low frequencies really are coming from your Subwoofer. If the bass transition blend is so smooth you can't be sure, simply go to the sub and lightly touch the grill or cone and you will FEEL when the Sub is active.

3) For comparison, try a 40Hz and a 250Hz Crossover in the 105 to verify the Crossover setting in the 105 really is doing what it is supposed to be doing.

Checking the Rear HDMI Input

1) Now load the AIX disc in the 93.

2) Set the 105 to Input > HDMI Back

3) Play the Channel ID > LPCM 5.1 track on the 93. Use the Info button on the 105 to confirm that the input is LPCM 5.1. Use your SPL meter to confirm that the speaker levels are STILL correct -- you should get the same result as when the disc was played in the 105.

4) Now play the Subwoofer Crossover Test in the 93. Use the Info button on the 105 to confirm that the input is LPCM 2.0 (i.e, there is NO LFE CHANNEL INPUT).

RESULT: You will hear precisely the same thing you heard when the disc was played in the 105 itself, for each of the Crossover choices (100Hz, 40Hz, 250Hz).

Thus, no problem. The Analog Speaker Configuration "Small" and Analog Crossover settings are functioning normally in the 105 even if the audio is coming in on the HDMI Input.
--Bob
post #4889 of 10239
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Originally Posted by Pokey77 View Post

Although I don't use it much, it does work for me. You hooked up to the HDMI IN? And do you have the Oppo input set correctly?

Checked it several times and everything is correctly set up. Oppo said this is a known issue and they are working with Roku to resolve. I have a Roku 3 if that makes any difference.
post #4890 of 10239
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Yes, but do they apply if one is using the HDMI input on the OPPO? Has anyone here tried?

Yes and yes. The async USB input is the only input that goes bypasses the bass management in the Oppo.
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When I connect my Asus laptop to the OPPO's HDMI input, the player does not perform bass management; it does not route the bass signals to the subwoofer, it treats the signal as LARGE. Here's a graph to prove my point. It's a full range measurement of my left front speaker set to SMALL and my 2-day old Hsu ULS-15 sub, with XO at 100Hz and 1/6 smoothing.

Notice roll-off at 50 Hz...

Here's the same measurement, this time using my Yamaha AVR, instead of the OPPO.

The trace you see in the first image is actually the main speaker rolling off well below the crossover point. The bottom sub informatiion is missing. It's also less smooth than the second graph, maybe because it's stressed.

I measured the sub separately and it, too, showed no stopping at the crossover. It played well into 300 Hz. This shows there's no cutoff between the high and low frequencies in the OPPO.

Does anyone else get the same?
Again I suggest that you give us more details on how you have everything connected, such as exactly which analog outputs you are using on the Oppo. As I said in my previous response, if you're using the stereo outputs in their default configuration of a stereo downmix, then the bass management does not apply to those outputs.
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