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post #4891 of 10242
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

No problem here.

TEST METHOD:

For this test you will need the AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray, an SPL meter, and an OPPO BDP-93 player cabled HDMI 1 output to Rear HDMI Input of the 105

Preliminaries

1) I set my Anthem D2v to use HDMI 1 video from the 105 with 6-channel Analog audio from the 105 (I'm using the Dedicated Stereo L/R RCA jacks in lieu of the normal LF/RF jacks from the multi-channel set -- with Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT). The 6-channel Analog audio input in the D2v was set to ANALOG-DIRECT which disables Anthem Room Correction, Crossover processing in the Anthem itself, and any other audio processing in the Anthem.

2) Set the BDP-93 to 1080p output with HDMI Audio LPCM output.

3) Set the 105 Audio Processing > Speaker Configuration so all Speakers are Small. Since my D2v only provides +10dB boost on the Analog LFE input, I also needed to raise the LFE level by another +5dB to deal with the -15dB attenuation of the Analog LFE output when any speakers are Small. For this test, I accomplished that by setting the Subwoofer Volume Trim in the 105 to +5dB.

4) Set the 105 to Crossover 100Hz.

Baseline Result -- Disc Playback in the 105

1) Load the AIX disc in the 105 and play the Channel ID > LPCM 5.1 track. Use the SPL meter to verify your speaker levels are correct (adjust if necessary).

2) Now play the Subwoofer Crossover Test track. This is an LPCM 2.0 track that sends a tone to Left Front (only) which sweeps up and down in frequency from well below to well above the Crossover frequencies. At the high frequency end, all the audio should be coming from your Left Front speaker. At the low frequency end, all the audio should be coming from your Subwoofer due to the effect of the 100Hz Crossover. If your Sub is set up properly and the bass response characteristics of your listening room are properly dealt with, this test will produce constant volume from end to end (except for the very lowest frequencies which are hard to hear). That's a very tough test, but not necessary to pass so perfectly for what we are confirming here. Right now all you need to do is verify that the low frequencies really are coming from your Subwoofer. If the bass transition blend is so smooth you can't be sure, simply go to the sub and lightly touch the grill or cone and you will FEEL when the Sub is active.

3) For comparison, try a 40Hz and a 250Hz Crossover in the 105 to verify the Crossover setting in the 105 really is doing what it is supposed to be doing.

Checking the Rear HDMI Input

1) Now load the AIX disc in the 93.

2) Set the 105 to Input > HDMI Back

3) Play the Channel ID > LPCM 5.1 track on the 93. Use the Info button on the 105 to confirm that the input is LPCM 5.1. Use your SPL meter to confirm that the speaker levels are STILL correct -- you should get the same result as when the disc was played in the 105.

4) Now play the Subwoofer Crossover Test in the 93. Use the Info button on the 105 to confirm that the input is LPCM 2.0 (i.e, there is NO LFE CHANNEL INPUT).

RESULT: You will hear precisely the same thing you heard when the disc was played in the 105 itself, for each of the Crossover choices (100Hz, 40Hz, 250Hz).

Thus, no problem. The Analog Speaker Configuration "Small" and Analog Crossover settings are functioning normally in the 105 even if the audio is coming in on the HDMI Input.
--Bob

Thanks, Bob. In the laptop sound panel, I have 5.1 selected in the speaker setup, but I don't know if the output signal is LPCM 5.1. I will check the info button on the 105 to determine the signal I'm getting. I don't know what the requirement is for the signal output from a computer inorder to run REW. I will check the HTS site for this.
post #4892 of 10242
^ Also remember that with any speakers set to Small, the Analog Subwoofer output on the 103/105 needs to be boosted +15dB external to the player to match the level of the other RCA jacks. In the simplest configuration, you do this simply by raising the volume knob on your Sub. It may be you are getting Sub output, but it isn't obvious because the Sub volume isn't set right yet. That's why I suggested you start by confirming your levels.
--Bob
post #4893 of 10242
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Originally Posted by rman66 View Post

Has anyone installed the region free hardware chip kit being sold on ebay? experiences?
What are the options available to make the 103 and 105 region free besides the above?

Using search this thread will come up with lots of information too.
post #4894 of 10242
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Also remember that with any speakers set to Small, the Analog Subwoofer output on the 103/105 needs to be boosted +15dB external to the player to match the level of the other RCA jacks. In the simplest configuration, you do this simply by raising the volume knob on your Sub. It may be you are getting Sub output, but it isn't obvious because the Sub volume isn't set right yet. That's why I suggested you start by confirming your levels.
--Bob

When doing the speaker setup with Oppo, I noticed I have to set the volume on the back of the sub to 12 o'clock to match the mains which I thought was rather high. When I tested the sub channel separately thru the Yamaha AVR, I forgot to turn it down and got a clip warning from REW. Now there's no sound at all. Computer works fine, but it looks like I may have damaged the AVR input.
post #4895 of 10242
How good are the hdtracks files? Have people played them on the Oppo in the 192/24

looks like they over charge for these full albums at $25

I was wondering what peoples experiences are in terms of the sound quality

it's ridiculous that they don't let you buy 1 song
post #4896 of 10242
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Originally Posted by detroit1 View Post

How good are the hdtracks files? Have people played them on the Oppo in the 192/24

looks like they over charge for these full albums at $25

I was wondering what peoples experiences are in terms of the sound quality

it's ridiculous that they don't let you buy 1 song

I posted about a problem I'm having with some 192/24 files at http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/4920#post_23190615 (I hope that goes to post 4947).

I have their free sampler, John Coltrane's "Blue Train" at 192/24,and the Grateful Dead's "American Beauty" at 96/24. They all sound very good and I think "Blue Train" sounds better than the CD I have on some listens, perhaps even significantly better, but I'm not sure they're worth the money given my situation. Others will feel differently. HD Tracks has a different mix of "American Beauty" than is on the album so comparison is difficult (I think it's the mix Mickey Hart did for DVD-A). Bottom line: What I've heard sounds very good, but it's not worth the additional cost for me right now. For the material I looked at HD Tracks doesn't give you the bonus tracks that you can get on CD. Did you download their sampler? What did you think? Of course, it should sound really good as it's an advertisement for the service.

As a point of information, it's impossible to tell from your order history what flavor of FLAC (e.g., 192/24, 96/24) you've downloaded.
post #4897 of 10242
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Originally Posted by detroit1 View Post

How good are the hdtracks files? Have people played them on the Oppo in the 192/24 looks like they over charge for these full albums at $25. I was wondering what peoples experiences are in terms of the sound quality it's ridiculous that they don't let you buy 1 song

RIP OFF is my view
post #4898 of 10242
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Thanks, Bob. In the laptop sound panel, I have 5.1 selected in the speaker setup, but I don't know if the output signal is LPCM 5.1. I will check the info button on the 105 to determine the signal I'm getting. I don't know what the requirement is for the signal output from a computer inorder to run REW. I will check the HTS site for this.

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Also remember that with any speakers set to Small, the Analog Subwoofer output on the 103/105 needs to be boosted +15dB external to the player to match the level of the other RCA jacks. In the simplest configuration, you do this simply by raising the volume knob on your Sub. It may be you are getting Sub output, but it isn't obvious because the Sub volume isn't set right yet. That's why I suggested you start by confirming your levels.
--Bob

Pressing the info button on the remote does show the output signal on the top left of the screen. Thanks, Bob. John at HTS also confirmed that laptops normally carry LPCM signal unless a compressor is used.



I think I found my mistake WRT bass management. If I measure the sub separately, it triggers the LFE channel, which accounts for the higher peaks. The left channel, OTOH, does not contain LFE informaton, so the curve stays flat. I will follow up on this in the REW threads.

Thanks for testing the HDMI input and bass management feature in the Oppo.
post #4899 of 10242
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Originally Posted by rman66 View Post

Has anyone installed the region free hardware chip kit being sold on ebay? experiences?
What are the options available to make the 103 and 105 region free besides the above?

I use the one from the IMEG store which you can install internally or externally. I chose the external install for my 105. It comes by default set to region 0 for DVDs and it works fine on my British movie DVDs. 

post #4900 of 10242
I have my 105 connected to my Pioneer SC-05 receiver using both HDMI and multi channel analog inputs. The 105 speaker levels were set using a Radio Shack sound level meter. When playing a music concert Blu Ray in DTS HD or Dolby HD the bass level on the HDMI connection is much louder (punchier?) then the multi channel connection. I have boosted the 105 sub woofer trim to almost max level and it still does not sound as loud as the HDMI connection which was set up using the Pioneer room correction. I want to use my 105 HDMI connection just for movies and the multi channel connection for music and concert Blu rays. Anyway to correct this situation short of turning the input level up on the sub itself? Thanks in advance for any advice given.
post #4901 of 10242
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Originally Posted by jmnextime1 View Post

I have boosted the 105 sub woofer trim to almost max level and it still does not sound as loud as the HDMI connection which was set up using the Pioneer room correction. I want to use my 105 HDMI connection just for movies and the multi channel connection for music and concert Blu rays. .

Precisely what a vast majority of 105 owners do, analog for music and HDMI for movies. Bass management has always been the weak link in multichannel analog. The Oppo still offers a better selection of options to control bass functions compared to other players (my old Samsung C6900 had no bass management for analog audio actually). Most fine tuning with other competing units will have you controlling crossover and volume level at the sub itself.
post #4902 of 10242
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Originally Posted by jfz View Post

Did you compare the sound using your current configuration to the sound of the TiVo Premiere Elite connected to your amplifier? If so, I'm curious to know if you thought the currrent way sounded significantly better. Thanks

Don't think that would work as the TiVo does not have volume control.
post #4903 of 10242
I have had the Oppo 105 for a couple of months now. All this time I had it connected to a Pioneer Elite VSX-53 (as a processor) for both Analog Stereo and HDMI. The Pioneer was connected to an Emotiva XPA-5. Two days ago I decided to take the Pioneer out of the mix. Now I have the Oppo connected directly to the Emotiva XPA-5. I reprogrammed my Harmony 900 so that it controls the volume and input switching. Directv is connected to the back HDMI input.

Wow, I am amazed how good this direct connection is given there is no room correction involved. The sound from the Oppo>Pioneer>Emotiva in the Pure Direct mode via HDMI used to be lifeless and dead while the Oppo>Emotiva connection has given new life to the sound. The sound stage is more enveloping. The surrounds seem more active. I watched some of the scenes that I am familiar with from Dark Knight Rises last night and was truly impressed.

Since my room is now fairly well treated I am thinking of forgoing a processor all together or do you guys think a good processor like the AV7701 is a good option. I think the Pioneer was negatively impacting the sound.
Edited by MagnoliaMOE - 4/12/13 at 10:08am
post #4904 of 10242
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Originally Posted by jmnextime1 View Post

I have my 105 connected to my Pioneer SC-05 receiver using both HDMI and multi channel analog inputs. The 105 speaker levels were set using a Radio Shack sound level meter. When playing a music concert Blu Ray in DTS HD or Dolby HD the bass level on the HDMI connection is much louder (punchier?) then the multi channel connection. I have boosted the 105 sub woofer trim to almost max level and it still does not sound as loud as the HDMI connection which was set up using the Pioneer room correction. I want to use my 105 HDMI connection just for movies and the multi channel connection for music and concert Blu rays. Anyway to correct this situation short of turning the input level up on the sub itself? Thanks in advance for any advice given.

Hi jmnextime, i'm panning on useing the same set up for mu 105. Question. When playing a CD is is 2.0 or 2.1? Or is that something you can select from the Oppo ir AVR? Thx
post #4905 of 10242
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Originally Posted by MagnoliaMOE View Post

I have had the Oppo 105 for a couple of months now. All this time I had it connected to a Pioneer Elite VSX-53 (as a processor) for both Analog Stereo and HDMI. The Pioneer was connected to an Emotiva XPA-5. Two days ago I decided to take the Pioneer out of the mix. Now I have the Oppo connected directly to the Emotiva XPA-5. I reprogrammed my Harmony 900 so that it controls the volume and input switching. Directv is connected to the back HDMI input.

Wow, I am amazed how good this direct connection is given there is no room correction involved. The sound from the Oppo>Pioneer>Emotiva in the Pure Direct mode via HDMI used to be lifeless and dead while the Oppo>Emotiva connection has given new life to the sound. The sound stage is more enveloping. The surrounds seem more active. I watched some of the scenes that I am familiar with from Dark Knight Rises last night and was truly impressed.

Since my room is now fairly well treated I am thinking of forgoing a processor all together or do you guys think a good processor like the AV7701 is a good option. I think the Pioneer was negatively impacting the sound.

I sold my Pre/Pro and hooked my 105 directly to my amp. I got the same results that you did. Whether you get a processor or not is up to you. But, I think you get the idea of how good the 105 is hooked directly to your amp.
post #4906 of 10242
Would a Parasound P7 be a good option as a pre instead of direct to the amps?
post #4907 of 10242
For those of us who need more inputs, the Parasound P7 might be a good choice. I take XLR stereo and 7.1 RCA analog from my Oppo 105 to a Cary Cinema 11a with its inputs set to bypass. The Cary provides volume control and converts unbalanced input to balanced output, but otherwise does no processing. The amps are Proceed HPA 2 & 3 that drive KEF 107/2 mains and 102 surrounds. A pair of Velodyne HGS-15s are managed by an SMS-1. The sound quality is excellent. I suspect the result with a P7 would be about the same. IIRC, the P7 has a phono stage, but I use an external phono stage as well as unbalanced analog and HDMI from a Sony XA-5400ES.

db
post #4908 of 10242
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The beta has an A/V Sync setting.

-Bill

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Analog has the least problem -- essentially none. HDMI LPCM is best for HDMI. HDMI Bitstream will show more problems, but the latest firmware includes an adjustment feature you can use as a workaround.
--Bob

...work around is just not good enough. Mostly I watch my movies in one go, but seriously. Adjustment is ok when it is a permanent for whatever reason. Having to adjust after a "pause" is a little clunky IMHO.
Very pleased with the HiFi performance and disc spinning though.
D
post #4909 of 10242
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Originally Posted by monicard View Post

I just purchased a 105 having upgraded from a 95. Purpose of the upgrade was to use the 105's hdmi inputs. While the analog sound is expectedly very good and the video is as good as itg gets, I am very disappointed with the player in that the HDMI inputs don't work with Roku. The screen on my plasma that says "HDCP unauthorized. Content disabled". I have switched HDMI cables and have tried both HDMI input ports to no avail. I can hear the sound but there is no video. Oppo support even provided a beta of their firmware beyond the one they post on their website that is tweaked to solve this problem, but alas that does not work either. So I just spent $1000 on a device with hdmi inputs that don't work properly. You would think that after 4-5 months they would have major bugs like that worked out. Disappointed with Oppo and their "not yet ready for prime time" product. I still have my 95; depending on if they can fix this issue, I may send the 105 back and keep my trusty 95. In my opinion it looks like they may have rushed this product out the door too soon. Maybe I am being a little harsh but I would expect the basic functionality to work.
You mean the new Roku 3? Did you use OPPO's HDMI IN port on the front panel or the back panel? Roku claims they didn't "license" OPPO's HDMI IN port on the back panel to play their content (??). So you may use HDMI IN on the front panel as a temporary solution.
I believe OPPO is contacting Roku for this license. You may also try to contact Roku and check their status.
Edited by lanping09 - 4/12/13 at 5:15pm
post #4910 of 10242
Looks like quite a few folks are hooking up 105 to their amps directly.
How do you account for 10/15 db boost that's needed for LFE channel during movies/SACD vs when you are playing music and crossing over to a sub at either 60-80 htz?
post #4911 of 10242
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Originally Posted by MagnoliaMOE 

I have had the Oppo 105 for a couple of months now. All this time I had it connected to a Pioneer Elite VSX-53 (as a processor) for both Analog Stereo and HDMI. The Pioneer was connected to an Emotiva XPA-5. Two days ago I decided to take the Pioneer out of the mix. Now I have the Oppo connected directly to the Emotiva XPA-5. I reprogrammed my Harmony 900 so that it controls the volume and input switching. Directv is connected to the back HDMI input.

Wow, I am amazed how good this direct connection is given there is no room correction involved. The sound from the Oppo>Pioneer>Emotiva in the Pure Direct mode via HDMI used to be lifeless and dead while the Oppo>Emotiva connection has given new life to the sound. The sound stage is more enveloping. The surrounds seem more active. I watched some of the scenes that I am familiar with from Dark Knight Rises last night and was truly impressed.

Since my room is now fairly well treated I am thinking of forgoing a processor all together or do you guys think a good processor like the AV7701 is a good option. I think the Pioneer was negatively impacting the sound.

I sold my Pre/Pro and hooked my 105 directly to my amp. I got the same results that you did. Whether you get a processor or not is up to you. But, I think you get the idea of how good the 105 is hooked directly to your amp.

lucky enough enough to have good shape to your room and the right furnature means it will sound better sans a processor. I did an A-B-A comparison and then sold my McIntosh processor in the HT room and have direct for months. But my second setup in a sunroom really benifits from room correction.
post #4912 of 10242
Has anyone compared the sound on the Oppo using Balanced vs unbalanced ouputs? did you hear a difference?
post #4913 of 10242
I am contemplating on placing a peachtree Nova amp on top of the BDP-105, both on an end table in my bedroom. The Nova has 1cm pedestals so there is some clearance between the bottom of the Nova and the top of the 105.
I noticed there are vents on top of the 105. Should I be concerned with this placement?

Edited by rman66 - 4/13/13 at 5:40am
post #4914 of 10242
Hi jmnextime, i'm panning on useing the same set up for mu 105. Question. When playing a CD is is 2.0 or 2.1? Or is that something you can select from the Oppo ir AVR? Thx





Hi. I believe the speakers need to be set to small to have the sub active and be 2.1. Set speakers to large for 2.0 set up - no sub.
post #4915 of 10242
Any PQ or SQ advantages to the 105 in my HT system (see below). Again, exclusively for blu-ray movies. No analog stereo out. Not interested in load times or features. Only "purist" PQ and SQ within my current entry level HT system.
post #4916 of 10242
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Any PQ or SQ advantages to the 105 in my HT system (see below). Again, exclusively for blu-ray movies. No analog stereo out. Not interested in load times or features. Only "purist" PQ and SQ within my current entry level HT system.
If you're only going to be using digital audio output (HDMI, coax / optical SPDIF), then there's no reason to get the BDP-105 over the BDP-103, unless you need the headphone output or the extra digital inputs on the BDP-105. For only watching Bluray movies, you certainly aren't going to see or hear huge differences switching from your current Panasonic player.
post #4917 of 10242
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

Depends on what you are going to connect it to. If you have an analog preamp, or hook up directly to power amps, then the superb analog section in the 105 probably beats anything else you would use. If you are going to run the signal through any kind of digital processing, there's really no point to the 105--just get a 103.
What about an older flagship receiver with 7.1 inputs?
post #4918 of 10242
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

If you're only going to be using digital audio output (HDMI, coax / optical SPDIF), then there's no reason to get the BDP-105 over the BDP-103, unless you need the headphone output or the extra digital inputs on the BDP-105. For only watching Bluray movies, you certainly aren't going to see or hear huge differences switching from your current Panasonic player.

Much appreciated. Hoping to get a final consensus from a few of you.

I suppose I'm confused as to the 103/105 hype unless that is related to analog output (for music) rather than for blu-ray movies.
post #4919 of 10242
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Originally Posted by jh901 View PostMuch appreciated. Hoping to get a final consensus from a few of you. I suppose I'm confused as to the 103/105 hype unless that is related to analog output (for music) rather than for blu-ray movies.

Hype! 103 for BluRay with HDMi, 105 for music using analog (SACD, DVD-A)

post #4920 of 10242
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Much appreciated. Hoping to get a final consensus from a few of you.

I suppose I'm confused as to the 103/105 hype unless that is related to analog output (for music) rather than for blu-ray movies.

The main differences between the 103 and 105 are the analog outputs, the power supply and headphone jack. I use the Multi-channel outputs directly to my amp for everything. It sounds wonderful. I would actually put the 105 on top of your amp. Looks like the amp has fewer vents on top.
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