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post #5161 of 10056
vacquah asks, "How are the 2 subs + ams-1 integrated ?"

There is no magic. I followed Velodyne's recommendation to split the output of the SMS-! to the two HGS-15s. When I run the bass manager program, it's adjustments are based on the combined outputs of the two subs. The microphone is on a stand that extends it at ear level between the main seating positions. I suspect that's not as ideal as using a processor with two sub outputs and excellent room correction. OTOH, I'm never aware of sound coming from the subs, and I think that's the main goal.

db
post #5162 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Slinkee View Post

It was this one page note from oppo that talked about 47k ohm input impedance for directly connecting an amp. I had this confirmed by oppo tech support. Just seems like an odd recomendation given the feedback users here have given me.


I took this from the .pdf white papers.
Important Note: After firmware update the player requires a factory reset to ensure correct operation. This
will reset volume level to “Fixed” and the actual volume to 100 (maximum). Please ensure you enter the setup
menu and set volume to “Variable”, then lower the volume control to an initial setting of 45-50 before
powering on your amplifier or active speakers after factory reset. Volume setting is retained in memory
when the player is put in standby. So volume at power on remains the same as volume at power off.




So, the OP is correct.
I then emailed Oppo's tech support:

The player will act as a pre-amplifier, so you can connect the player direct to the amplifiers without any issues.

We generally do not recommend using the player as a pre-amplifier because the volume controls are not as smooth as most pre-amplifiers/receivers and there is always a risk that the volume output of the player goes to 100 even if you use a lower setting.


Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119


As for the 47K recommended amp Z, most SS amps and tube/SS preamps have 50K ohms as their input Z. So there's no issue with impedance mismatch when going direct.
Upon first powering up the gear, the source > preamp > amplifier should be powered up in that order, so a bit of diligence on the volume level can go a long way.
If the amp has volume pots on the input, perhaps best to set to the max volume output one would typically play as to avoid a run-away amplifier > death to one's speakers - just a thought.
post #5163 of 10056
Oppo tells me that explicit X.1, most commonly 5.1, is sent to the sub regardless of size used in setup if the sub is set to on. Thus, I think the ideal setup for my system is to use the stereo output from the Oppo for the front left/right of the 7.1 bundle to the Cary, leave XLR stereo intact, set stereo to Front Left/Right, and set front left and right speakers to large. The Cary preassigns "stereo" to the XLR input and "7.1" to the 7.1 bundle of inputs, so switching is easy. This setup should enable me to use the mains as full range speakers, use balanced output for stereo, and permit the subs to handle LFE. Have I missed something?

db
post #5164 of 10056
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Oppo told me yesterday they plan to release new FW in less than 2 weeks or so.

Firmware gets released when it is ready. As a Beta Tester I think I can say with some confidence that you do not want the firmware that is not ready. biggrin.gif
--Bob
post #5165 of 10056
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

Oppo tells me that explicit X.1, most commonly 5.1, is sent to the sub regardless of size used in setup if the sub is set to on. Thus, I think the ideal setup for my system is to use the stereo output from the Oppo for the front left/right of the 7.1 bundle to the Cary, leave XLR stereo intact, set stereo to Front Left/Right, and set front left and right speakers to large. The Cary preassigns "stereo" to the XLR input and "7.1" to the 7.1 bundle of inputs, so switching is easy. This setup should enable me to use the mains as full range speakers, use balanced output for stereo, and permit the subs to handle LFE. Have I missed something?

db

That will work so long as you only play Stereo content when using the XLR connections.

Keep in mind that when set this way BOTH sets of Dedicated Stereo outputs -- both the XLR and RCA pair -- will respond to the settings you enter in the OPPO for LF/RF in the 7.1 set. You do need to set LF/RF to LARGE, as you plan, otherwise the Crossover will extract bass from the XLR outputs when playing Stereo content (and since the Sub output is not used in that configuration, that steered bass would be lost). In addition, any volume trim or distance adjustments you make for LF/RF will also be applied to the XLR pair. Assuming the XLR pair are driving the same front speakers as the 7.1 set, that should be no problem.

For the 7.1 setup, if all speakers in the OPPO are set to LARGE (or if you are using DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion), the Analog Subwoofer output will need +10dB boost to match the other RCA jacks. Your Cary may very well already do that by default -- check with a calibration disc and an SPL meter -- e.g., the LPCM test tracks from AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray.

If any speaker in the OPPO is set to SMALL (and you are not using DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion), then that RCA Sub output needs +15dB boost to match the other RCA jacks.

The XLR outputs are the standard +6dB hotter than the RCA outputs. If your Cary does not already provide level adjustment for the XLR stereo input, then you should expect to have to lower Volume in the Cary when you select the XLR input.

If you ever decide you really need to set LF/RF to SMALL for the 7.1 configuration, then you can STILL use the XLR outputs for Stereo content as you would like. You would just need to take the extra step of switching Stereo Signal to DOWN MIX STEREO when you select the XLR for input to the Cary. Then switch back to Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT when you want to use the 7.1 rig.
--Bob
post #5166 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Firmware gets released when it is ready. As a Beta Tester I think I can say with some confidence that you do not want the firmware that is not ready. biggrin.gif
--Bob

I think with the next FW release, I won't install it. I will wait until I see what's going on with it. The main thing I am looking for is resolution with the Netflix conflicts. I'm sure everyone has their own priorities on what they would like to see fixed.
post #5167 of 10056
Finally hooked up the 105. Thx to all who helped, I have a configuration I am shooting for - xlr / rca analogue 7.1 to preamp with home theater bypass, then on to 2 power amps - one 2 channel and another 5.1, then on to speakers.

In the meantime, I am hooking it up to my old trusted Denon 3801 AVR ( until I get the new gear). I am having a couple of quirks I hope you guys can help sort out.


1. I have a REL sub. REL advises that we set the speakers to large and connect both the LFE and high level signals to the AVR speaker section. Setting the speakers to large on the 105 completely cuts out the sub. Setting to small brings in the sub but negates REL's scenario of feeding the full range signal to each speaker whilst driving the sub too. I assume there are a few with REL subs around here. What are you doing? Large or small?

2. Specifically for home theater stuff, I connected the 7.1 RCA outs to my AVRs Ext-In - This completely by-passes any surround sound processing in the AVR and sends the signal direct to the speakers. I am missing the Dolby Digital processing the AVR provides. Am I better off connecting from either the optical or coax for Dolby Digital processing in my AVR? ( Which is the preferred option for home theater setups ?) . My AVR does not have an HDMI input or output. I am sending an HDMI feed directly from the 105 to the TV and simply using the AVR for sound.


3. Finally, I connected my Tivo box to the HDMI-in at the back of the 105. Works great. Except it has caused a riot in the household. They are protesting the need to first keep the 105 on all the time and also always switch the input source from Blue Ray to the HDMI back source every time someone wants to watch TV. - They are asking - what happened to simply turning on the TV and watching? What are my options?


Thxxx
post #5168 of 10056
I apologize if this has been asked and answered. I did a search but did not find a conclusive answer, just some workarounds... I have a Harmony 890 and want to use the 105 HDMI input for Directv to take advantage of the Marvell chip. Is there a fully automated way of selecting the correct input when hitting "Watch TV"? I know there are some timing issues with regards to letting the 105 turn on and start accepting commands. If its too much hassle I'll just stay with the Denon AVP chip which uses the HQV Reon.
post #5169 of 10056
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Originally Posted by btscott View Post

I apologize if this has been asked and answered. I did a search but did not find a conclusive answer, just some workarounds... I have a Harmony 890 and want to use the 105 HDMI input for Directv to take advantage of the Marvell chip. Is there a fully automated way of selecting the correct input when hitting "Watch TV"? I know there are some timing issues with regards to letting the 105 turn on and start accepting commands. If its too much hassle I'll just stay with the Denon AVP chip which uses the HQV Reon.

See the FAQ: How do I select an INPUT source with a programmable remote?

-Bill
post #5170 of 10056
I will just add that the FAQ does not directly address the amount of time that is needed for the player to be ready to accept the input command from the remote, followed by the brief pause and then selecting the input. In my specific case I needed to power the 105 first, and then it needs a long delay, a minimal of 12 seconds when the player is off. You also need to worry about things like auto play or the state of the player when you create your macro.
post #5171 of 10056
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by vacquah View Post

2. Specifically for home theater stuff, I connected the 7.1 RCA outs to my AVRs Ext-In - This completely by-passes any surround sound processing in the AVR and sends the signal direct to the speakers. I am missing the Dolby Digital processing the AVR provides. Am I better off connecting from either the optical or coax for Dolby Digital processing in my AVR? ( Which is the preferred option for home theater setups ?) . My AVR does not have an HDMI input or output. I am sending an HDMI feed directly from the 105 to the TV and simply using the AVR for sound.

Blu-ray media will have a much higher dynamic range and accuracy when playing back the audio in high resolution (Dolby Digital TrueHD and DTS-HD Master) versus the low resolution (Dolby Digital and DTS). So you will want to use analog for audio when playing back Blu-ray sources.

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3. Finally, I connected my Tivo box to the HDMI-in at the back of the 105. Works great. Except it has caused a riot in the household. They are protesting the need to first keep the 105 on all the time and also always switch the input source from Blue Ray to the HDMI back source every time someone wants to watch TV. - They are asking - what happened to simply turning on the TV and watching? What are my options?

Unfortunately the player does not have passive HDMI inputs, so you will need to leave the player on and you will need to manually select the input to use when switching between external HDMI and internal player capabilities.
post #5172 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Blu-ray media will have a much higher dynamic range and accuracy when playing back the audio in high resolution (Dolby Digital TrueHD and DTS-HD Master) versus the low resolution (Dolby Digital and DTS). So you will want to use analog for audio when playing back Blu-ray sources.
Unfortunately the player does not have passive HDMI inputs, so you will need to leave the player on and you will need to manually select the input to use when switching between external HDMI and internal player capabilities.

There has to be a way to use the analog outs and NOT use a AVR just to pass an analog signal for the purpose of a volume control?
I've previously posted Oppo's suggestion not to use the 105 as a preamp."There is always a risk that the volume output of the player goes to 100 even if you use a lower setting".

Perhaps a firmware upgrade needs to address this?
post #5173 of 10056
Quote:
Originally Posted by btscott View Post

I apologize if this has been asked and answered. I did a search but did not find a conclusive answer, just some workarounds... I have a Harmony 890 and want to use the 105 HDMI input for Directv to take advantage of the Marvell chip. Is there a fully automated way of selecting the correct input when hitting "Watch TV"? I know there are some timing issues with regards to letting the 105 turn on and start accepting commands. If its too much hassle I'll just stay with the Denon AVP chip which uses the HQV Reon.

It can be done by inserting a 15 second delay and using the Oppo Quick start feature.
The Logitech's activities can have up 5 actions associated with them.
I think you can put the delays in there as well as the Oppo Input selection.
This actually works much better because the Harmony Remotes always send these commands as opposed to trying to remember the state which is pretty much wrong all the time.
It takes some fiddling but I got it to work.

- Rich
post #5174 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Entech View Post



So, the OP is correct.
I then emailed Oppo's tech support:

The player will act as a pre-amplifier, so you can connect the player direct to the amplifiers without any issues.

We generally do not recommend using the player as a pre-amplifier because the volume controls are not as smooth as most pre-amplifiers/receivers and there is always a risk that the volume output of the player goes to 100 even if you use a lower setting.


Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119



It is a so big problem for Oppo to address this quite old problem and wrong behaviour of digital volume control after firmware upgrade? Why not force that volume control to get 0 value after an firmware upgrade?
Hard to understand why Oppo chose to advise all the time the users about this issue (volume set to max value by the software update) prior to fix them self this problem... Maybe just in the alfa edition of the last update...
post #5175 of 10056
^^ One reason that makers are reluctant to set volume controls to minimum is to reduce the number of phone calls from people alarmed by the total absence of audio after the update. "It stopped working..."
post #5176 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

^^ One reason that makers are reluctant to set volume controls to minimum is to reduce the number of phone calls from people alarmed by the total absence of audio after the update. "It stopped working..."

OPPO could reset the volume to '1' after each firmware update to protect customers who connect OPPO 105 directly to a power amp which will also minimize number of phone calls from customers who thought "It stopped working..." when volume was reset to '0' by firmware updates.

I had an OPPO-95 connected to a power amp via a Preamp ($9k) which resets its volume to '1' (max was 250) after each power on/off to protect my amp and speakers.

I use my 105 as a Preamp, and strongly prefer OPPO firmware updates to reset its volume to '1' instead of '100' or '0'

What do you think?
Edited by edwardkim - 4/26/13 at 5:44am
post #5177 of 10056
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Originally Posted by edwardkim View Post

OPPO could reset the volume to '1' after each firmware update to protect customers who connect OPPO 105 directly to a power amp while minimize number of phone calls from customers who thought OPPO not working when volume was reset to '0' after each firmware update.

I had an OPPO-95 connected to a power amp via a Preamp ($9k) which reset its volume to '1' (max was 250) after each power on/off to protect my amp and speakers. I strongly prefer OPPO firmware updates to reset its volume to '1' instead of '100' or '0'

What do you think?

It is something to think about. It would be nice if the volume is reset to "1" after a FW update. Lord knows I don't want to blow anything up. I don't run a preamp. So my only safeguard against this is my memory. And that's a scary situation in itself.
post #5178 of 10056
In case Oppo is reading this, I would argue that the volume control be left as it is. Most users, I would think, are using either a preamp (as I do) or an integrated amp. I say keep it simple for the majority of users.

A change I would not argue with, though, is for the installation program for the new firmware to read the level of the volume, and set it accordingly leaving the volume as it found it.
post #5179 of 10056
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Originally Posted by MLM View Post

In case Oppo is reading this

Everybody: If you want OPPO to know your thoughts, send them to OPPO directly. Don't take the chance that some employee has enough free time to browse multiple AVSForum threads all day long.

-Bill
post #5180 of 10056
Just thought I'd throw this out for all the Oppo 105 owners.......get rid of your usb thumb/hard drives....no need to ever use the 105's optical/coax/usb dac inputs....just purchase JRiver Media Center (if you have a Windows based pc),, and if you have an Ipad or Iphone, get the JRemote app, and your audio listening and video watching will be so much more enjoyable. Using the Oppo as a Digital Media Renderer(DMR) as opposed to a Digital Media Controller(DMC) is a breath of fresh air. See for yourself, if you haven't already.
Edited by DanF8500 - 4/26/13 at 9:25am
post #5181 of 10056
I played briefly with JRiver but it seemed mostly orientated towards music. Does it also do video? I'm really trying to find one server that does everything.
post #5182 of 10056
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

I played briefly with JRiver but it seemed mostly orientated towards music. Does it also do video? I'm really trying to find one server that does everything.
It does it all!! Audio, Video, still images! I used the software for the first time yesterday with my Oppo, and I'm loving it!! You can send videos and still images to your DLNA capable tv instead of the Oppo too. Both sources work fine with the software.
post #5183 of 10056
I need to get my server reconfigured and give JRiver another shot I guess.
post #5184 of 10056
Thanks for the replies regarding the Harmony remote. I will give them a try this weekend.
post #5185 of 10056
Oppo owners,

I am trying to find out if oppo 105 might be useful as 4k content player.

Does oppo 105 support HDMI 1.4 4K output?

I have a 4k LG 84LM9600 I want to display movie on.

My next question is given that there are no 4k blu-rays, will the oppo play 4k mp4 or mkv files from disc and output these at 4k res I.e. no up scaling just put 4k content out on HDMI port.

Thanks in advance for any help people can provide.

Cheers fro Australia,

Zebity.
post #5186 of 10056
Thread Starter 
Seems the Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition is available on the OPPO website.

The new edition has some new features that the previous disc did not such as a full suite of audio calibration and evaluation test tones and the ability to calibrate your display in 3D.
post #5187 of 10056
Quick question, I use my Oppo 105 as a preamp for my cable box all the time, is it possible that after I have upgraded to the latest beta firmware, that I started to have a bad image quality while watching cable? I watched a bluray movie, it seemed to be perfect but when I watch TV, I see very often very large lines like the shape mostly of people is distorted and it is very annoying...mostly while watching sports since it's in movement all the time....Don't know how to explain the issue better , I just want to know if it happened before after the upgrade...
And I have changed the HDMI cable and it's still the same.

Thank you.
post #5188 of 10056
Quote:
Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

I played briefly with JRiver but it seemed mostly orientated towards music. Does it also do video? I'm really trying to find one server that does everything.

Dude, you need to see this! I absolutely love J River for video (I run it through my Oppo BDP-105 HDMI-In)
post #5189 of 10056
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

It can be done by inserting a 15 second delay and using the Oppo Quick start feature.
The Logitech's activities can have up 5 actions associated with them.
I think you can put the delays in there as well as the Oppo Input selection.
This actually works much better because the Harmony Remotes always send these commands as opposed to trying to remember the state which is pretty much wrong all the time.
It takes some fiddling but I got it to work.

- Rich

To add to this, anyone that uses or plans to use a harmony remote with an Oppo 105 inputs, I find i generally need to first set a 10 second delay, then a 5 second delay immediately following that. Then, set the Input command, and then finally, the button number (1 for Blu Ray, 2 for the HDMI Front/MHL Input, and 3 for the HDMI-Back Input.)
post #5190 of 10056
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Originally Posted by ThousandThrills View Post

Quick question, I use my Oppo 105 as a preamp for my cable box all the time, is it possible that after I have upgraded to the latest beta firmware, that I started to have a bad image quality while watching cable? I watched a bluray movie, it seemed to be perfect but when I watch TV, I see very often very large lines like the shape mostly of people is distorted and it is very annoying...mostly while watching sports since it's in movement all the time....Don't know how to explain the issue better , I just want to know if it happened before after the upgrade...
And I have changed the HDMI cable and it's still the same.

Thank you.
What cable company do you have? Check my post (#5103) in this thread. I have verizon fios, and Oppo has already told me they're having problems (video) when customers feed their cable boxes into the Oppo. Beta firmware shows this problem.
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