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post #5371 of 10181
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

Link to Kris' reviews for both the Oppo and the CA in Home Theater.

http://www.hometheater.com/category/3d-blu-ray-player-reviews
In Oppo BDP-105 "Sound Quality" Check Thread for Audiophiles thread EleonorD had a comparison with maranta 9004 I believe.
He also modded oppo an EVS at a very reasonable price.
post #5372 of 10181
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Originally Posted by gelly View Post

Hello. I'm having handshake issues between my FIOS STB and my marantz SR7005. I was going to hook the STB into my LCD via HDMI instead of my marantz to correct this. Am I better off hooking the STB into my 105 via HDMI instead? Would I get better sound and video? Are there still lip synch issues post firmware update?Thanks

Hello anyone have any thoughts on this? thanks
post #5373 of 10181
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

mt14942,
Since Denon and Marantz are owned by the same parent company, I would guess that the Marantz UD7007 would sound very much like the similarly priced Denon universal player. In fact hey may very well be the same unit in slightly different packages. A check of their specs and hardware should give you a better idea. So, I would guess the Marantz would have a very similar sound to top line Denons.
Unfortunately, their customer service would be the same. And their quickness in addressing the "fickleness" of their players to certain discs would be similar.
One area in which Oppo far outpaces their competition is customer service. It is the main reason I've used Oppo disc players for many years.

Before the Oppo 105 I used their 93 for movies and an Ayre cx-7e for cd's. Got the 105 and sold my Ayre if that tells you anything. Now, any statements I make would be total subjective, but to me the dedicated stereo section of the Oppo 105 matched the $3500 highly acclaimed Ayre for 2-ch music.

But since listening/hearing is personal, please don't take my word for it. Listen for yourself. Oppo is so sure of their products that they offer a 30 day return policy if you are not satisfied for any reason. You will only have to pay for return shipping. That way you can compare your A1 to the 105.
Check and see if Marantz or Cambridge Audio offer a similar return policy. If they do you can make a head to head comparison of all the players. I would be surprised if they do, but perhaps a local store may let you compare the C/A or Marantz in your home or in their store.
Don't wait for other peoples comparisons-- Do it yourself. I would be interested in what your comparison listening tests sound to you.

BTW, I am not employed or compensated by Oppo-- just a satisfied customer.

Tom

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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

There have been several comparisons between the Oppo 105 and the Cambridge Audio 752. Video is the same. For analog audio, one published review preferred the CA, while Kris Deering (Home Theater) thought they were pretty similar with a slight edge to the Oppo. It probably comes down to personal taste and which DAC you prefer. IMO, Oppo is better for customer service.

Thanks Tom & Bill for your comments. Tom if I can't find a local dealer in the South Florida area that would let me trial these players in my home I will probably do as you suggest and order the Oppo 105 with there 30 day return policy and compare it with the A1 and if the 2-channel audio is even close to being on par with my A1 that would be reason enough to keep it especially with the 105's versatility. Thanks Bill I have read both reviews as you can imagine I have been researching this for some time now. I probably just need to get the Oppo 105 and be done with it. I feel I have been fortunate with the customer service I have received from Denon, but you are right from what I have heard and read about others experience with there customer service.
post #5374 of 10181
You could order from Crutchfield and have 60 days to audition. I was told someone ordered either the 105 or 752 ( can't remember which) first, sent it back and ordered the other, then sent it back and finally ordered the first which he kept. I am torn between the 105 and CA752. My gut says the CA752 may be better in my system but the 105 has features I also want.
post #5375 of 10181
Will the Oppo support this?

"During CES, Sony announced that they plan to release so-called "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray movies. The films are not in 4K resolution but will offer an extended color gamut for more vivid colors.

SONY TO EXPAND COLOR GAMUT ON "MASTERED IN 4K" BLU-RAY

TVs and movies use a much narrower color gamut than what our human eye can perceive due to limitations in the video chain. But as we said recently in our in-depth article on Ultra HD / 4K the stage is set for changes very soon.


Spiderman is one of the ”Mastered in 4K” Blu-ray titles

Sony will take the first step with the introduction of the "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray movies. It is important to emphasize that the movies are not available in 4K resolution on the discs but have simply been edited in 4K resolution in Sony’s studios and downscaled to Full HD. However, one thing will change and that is the color gamut that will be expanded from Rec.709 to x.v.Color. x.v.Color can provide more intense reds – such as Coca Cola red – and more intense greens in movies. We saw it demonstrated in Hollywood and the difference is noticeable during some scenes.

Sony wants to expand the color gamut in Mastered in 4K Blu-ray movies

YOUR TV & PLAYER MUST SUPPORT X.V.COLOR

To take advantage of the wider colors in x.v.Color you need a movie player that supports x.v.Color (sometimes referred to as xvYCC). Examples include some of Sony’s own Blu-ray players and the PlayStation 3. You also need a TV that supports x.v.Color. Examples include some of Sony’s older models and the new 2013 TVs with Triluminos.

Sony also says that "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray movies will use a higher bitrate than typical Blu-ray movies and range between 35 and 38 mb/s – in other words; very little compression.

The list of the first "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray titles include: The Amazing Spider-Man, Total Recall (2012), Ghost Busters, Battle: Los Angeles, The Karate Kid (2010), Taxi Driver, Angels & Demons, Glory, The Other Guys and Spider-Man (2002). More will be announced later. There are still no Blu-ray discs that offer true 4K resolution."
post #5376 of 10181
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

"During CES, Sony announced that they plan to release so-called "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray movies. The films are not in 4K resolution but will offer an extended color gamut for more vivid colors.

SONY TO EXPAND COLOR GAMUT ON "MASTERED IN 4K" BLU-RAY
"

Nothing more than some new Sony snake oil.
post #5377 of 10181
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Nothing more than some new Sony snake oil.
.........and another way to separate you from your money. I just looked at Total Recall last night and they're wanting $34.99. OUCH!

Then again, if the color saturation is anything like what you see in Samsara and the prices come down to a reasonable level, I'm all in.
post #5378 of 10181
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Nothing more than some new Sony snake oil.

This! Look at it as Sony's Blu-ray version of their DVD 'Superbit'...suckering the consumer to support Sony's greed.
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Wait a minute .... Are y'all saying that the increased bit rate (Superbit for Bluray) AND increased color gamut to real 36-bit color is NOT worth it(assuming the movie has a compelling story worth being interested in)???confused.gif

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Well for good movies, I will wait for 4K unless I can grab the 1080p version for less than $10
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I'm not sure about the color gamut gambit, but it is always possible to do better within the limits of a given format. Superbit DVDs were not always exceptional, but were often upgrades over existing versions.

Obviously there is a theoretical limit to image quality for a format, but maybe 1% of DVDs approached that limit closely. Blu-ray has a higher percentage (although I don't think I could estimate a number) and of course the baseline is higher.

Sony wants to resell their catalog, over and over again. And it seems we love them for it.

-Bill
post #5382 of 10181
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

You could order from Crutchfield and have 60 days to audition. I was told someone ordered either the 105 or 752 ( can't remember which) first, sent it back and ordered the other, then sent it back and finally ordered the first which he kept. I am torn between the 105 and CA752. My gut says the CA752 may be better in my system but the 105 has features I also want.

Good to know about the Crutchfield option. I can certainly empathize with you as I too have narrowed it down to between these 2 players. I have a feeling that which ever one I order I will wind up keeping. I don't think I would be using the headphone amp feature of the 105 but I do wish the Azur had balanced analog outputs for 2-channel since I already have the cables, although I have read that they really don't effect the audio quality. If I opt for the CA752 I will be comparing the balanced analogs of my A1 with the unbalanced analog outputs so I guess that shouldn't matter.
post #5383 of 10181
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Will the Oppo support this?

"During CES, Sony announced that they plan to release so-called "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray movies. The films are not in 4K resolution but will offer an extended color gamut for more vivid colors.

SONY TO EXPAND COLOR GAMUT ON "MASTERED IN 4K" BLU-RAY

TVs and movies use a much narrower color gamut than what our human eye can perceive due to limitations in the video chain. But as we said recently in our in-depth article on Ultra HD / 4K the stage is set for changes very soon.


Spiderman is one of the ”Mastered in 4K” Blu-ray titles

Sony will take the first step with the introduction of the "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray movies. It is important to emphasize that the movies are not available in 4K resolution on the discs but have simply been edited in 4K resolution in Sony’s studios and downscaled to Full HD. However, one thing will change and that is the color gamut that will be expanded from Rec.709 to x.v.Color. x.v.Color can provide more intense reds – such as Coca Cola red – and more intense greens in movies. We saw it demonstrated in Hollywood and the difference is noticeable during some scenes.

Sony wants to expand the color gamut in Mastered in 4K Blu-ray movies

YOUR TV & PLAYER MUST SUPPORT X.V.COLOR

To take advantage of the wider colors in x.v.Color you need a movie player that supports x.v.Color (sometimes referred to as xvYCC). Examples include some of Sony’s own Blu-ray players and the PlayStation 3. You also need a TV that supports x.v.Color. Examples include some of Sony’s older models and the new 2013 TVs with Triluminos.

Sony also says that "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray movies will use a higher bitrate than typical Blu-ray movies and range between 35 and 38 mb/s – in other words; very little compression.

The list of the first "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray titles include: The Amazing Spider-Man, Total Recall (2012), Ghost Busters, Battle: Los Angeles, The Karate Kid (2010), Taxi Driver, Angels & Demons, Glory, The Other Guys and Spider-Man (2002). More will be announced later. There are still no Blu-ray discs that offer true 4K resolution."

I am under the impression that Sony has said these discs will contain special metadata that will enable the proper settings on certain Sony TVs and Blu-Ray players. There is a question whether these will fully and properly use the expanded color gamut with other players or displays. If anyone knows the whole story, I would like to know.
post #5384 of 10181
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post


I am under the impression that Sony has said these discs will contain special metadata that will enable the proper settings on certain Sony TVs and Blu-Ray players. There is a question whether these will fully and properly use the expanded color gamut with other players or displays. If anyone knows the whole story, I would like to know.

We must also love technical standards: that's why we have so many of them.

This sounds like an attempt to establish a variant format into the market.

-Bill
post #5385 of 10181
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

AUDIO Review (Italy, March 2013): Extensive, Audio-focussed Review of the BDP-105EU

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/UserFiles/Docs/PDF/AudioReviewBDP-105EU.pdf

OPPO UK has now posted an English translation of an extensive, audio-focussed review of the BDP-105EU by the Italian magazine AUDIO Review.

Some interesting suggestions here, such as playing standard CDs with upsampling software at 176.4KHz into the Asynchronous USB DAC Input.
--Bob

I got brought up short some months ago by another member when I put down claims that new masterings of older recordings could give true hi-res audio results, as I thought that you could only get hi-res audio from new recordings mastererd in hi-res from the start. I am now more open-minded on the possibility of getting more out of (quality) older analogue master tapes by re-mastering with more modern gear and audio engineers who know what they are doing.

But I am still flumoxed at the idea of upsampling 44.1 16 bit CDs to get a better sound: is that really possible without going back to the original master recording? (i have seen statements in both avs and other forums of people using various DACs to convert the data on standard red-book cds into 96k (or better) sampling resolution and am very sceptical. Even if the originals were mastered in above-redbook standard, if that hi-res data has been filtered out to produce the red-book cd, is it really possible for even the most expensive DAC and smartest software to get it back from a standard CD, without going back to the original master recordings?
I am prepared to be re-educated.
post #5386 of 10181
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Originally Posted by Jess Sayin View Post


It isn't in the manual, but you can also find happiness if you press the YELLOW button when starting a CD / SACD playback. It brings up the option of re-ordering CD / SACD tracks as you like.

I asked Oppo about this. Here is the reply:

"2. You will press the YELLOW button when you start a CD or SACD to create a specific playlist for that title.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc."

Is this working for you? Not working on my BDP-93... oh well, reason to upgrade later I guess...
post #5387 of 10181
Since you asked, I tried the yellow button with a CD playing on my BDP-93. Doesn't work. The Oppo instructions I quoted above was for the BDP-105. So, yes, maybe another reason to upgrade.
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Edited by edfowler - 5/14/13 at 5:02am
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After I upgraded my oppo 105 to the new firmware, my dsf files are playing very well. But at the end of the file I can hear a very distinct POP. Anyone else is having the same problem?
post #5390 of 10181
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Originally Posted by edfowler View Post

Madaudio. Have you not heard upsampled redbook CDs? Audirvana can turn you 16/44 CDs into 24/192 music that rivals sacd and dvda. I suggest you download the trial version of Audirvana and give it a listen.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the hype of upsampling a red-book cd to make it sound better. Adding more bits to 16/44 cd's is just that...more bits. I suspect that software is playing with one's hearing abilities...maybe adding more eq or increasing db of the audio...remastering studios can add effects....similar to what hdtracks does.....you can't make wine from water....another analogy would be with respect to a raw, bitmapped picture file....once that file is compressed to a jpeg file, there is no way to get that file back, bit for bit, to it's original .bmp format. Converting a jpeg file to a raw, bitmapped file will be identical, pixel for pixel, to the jpeg file; only the file size will be larger...the only difference. The original sound recording has to be 24/192, and played back at that sampling..once it's down-sampled...you cannot gain back what was lost by upsampling....technicians, however, can tweak audio(i.e. eq, +-db, snr reduction, gain, reverb, etc) and trick the human ear to thinking a piece of upsampled audio "sounds better" than its original counterpart.
Edited by DanF8500 - 5/11/13 at 8:50am
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Edited by edfowler - 5/14/13 at 5:01am
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Good to know about the Crutchfield option. I can certainly empathize with you as I too have narrowed it down to between these 2 players. I have a feeling that which ever one I order I will wind up keeping. I don't think I would be using the headphone amp feature of the 105 but I do wish the Azur had balanced analog outputs for 2-channel since I already have the cables, although I have read that they really don't effect the audio quality. If I opt for the CA752 I will be comparing the balanced analogs of my A1 with the unbalanced analog outputs so I guess that shouldn't matter.

You cannot make uniform statements regarding whether balanced offers better sound vs. single ended, other than with long interconnects balanced should be much quieter (common noise rejection). The preference for balanced will depend on the rest of you audio chain and whether the circuitry is truly balanced. Some preamps/amps that have balanced I/O do not have differential circuits inside and in effect are "throwing away" half of the balanced signal, and therefore would not show the benefit of balanced signal. There are some that are very much optimized for balanced signals, and with those you would benefit from the balanced outputs from the BDP105.
post #5393 of 10181
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Originally Posted by edfowler View Post

Madaudio. Have you not heard upsampled redbook CDs? Audirvana can turn you 16/44 CDs into 24/192 music that rivals sacd and dvda. I suggest you download the trial version of Audirvana and give it a listen.

Upsampling CANNOT add any new data to the digital signal, it can only interpolate between existing data points. What upsampling can allow would be for the post conversion filter to have a much gentler slope and be further away (frequency) from the upper audio band (not the immediate "brick wall" filter). This gentler filter show result in fewer "artifacts".
post #5394 of 10181
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Originally Posted by edfowler View Post


BTW, you can make wine from water, its been done before. Your reference not mine.
If the son of God upsamples your 44/16 audio tracks, well then it's possible. A sound engineer, or a piece of audio software?? Don't think so...the placebo effect is really strong when it comes to audio listening! But I guess, in the end, all that matters is one's personal preference. If something creates a self-perceived, measurable improvement in someones life (i.e. listening to up-sampled music, reading the Bible, etc.), then why deny that improvement? More power to ya!
Edited by DanF8500 - 5/11/13 at 10:04am
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Edited by edfowler - 5/14/13 at 5:02am
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Originally Posted by jonicht View Post

After I upgraded my oppo 105 to the new firmware, my dsf files are playing very well. But at the end of the file I can hear a very distinct POP. Anyone else is having the same problem?

Get a sample file to OPPO Tech Support and they can check it out.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Wait a minute .... Are y'all saying that the increased bit rate (Superbit for Bluray) AND increased color gamut to real 36-bit color is NOT worth it(assuming the movie has a compelling story worth being interested in)???confused.gif

You are confusing Deep Color (up to 36 bit per pixel) and xv.YCC color gamut. They are two different things.

They can't put 36 bits per pixel on the disc -- the Blu-ray format won't support the data rate for reading that off the disc.

They CAN use a "color space" which differs from the normal HDTV color space -- different color points with a broader gamut. It will be interesting to see how calibrators handle the compromises necessary to make a display work well with both that and normal REC 709 input.
--Bob
post #5398 of 10181
Fellow Oppo 105 users, if anyone, since purchasing their Oppo (any firmware revs), has been able to plug their Verizon FIOS motorola stb/dvr into the hdmi-in port of the Oppo 105 and not see/hear any video/audio anomalies (lip sync, frame drops, etc.), I'd sure like to know how it's possible. I've tried every which way to make my fios box and the 105 peacefully co-exist in my system.....I wanted to take advantage of the 105's 1080p output when watching fios tv, but have failed. Perhaps the next Oppo firmware upgrade will make this possible?
post #5399 of 10181
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Fellow Oppo 105 users, if anyone, since purchasing their Oppo (any firmware revs), has been able to plug their Verizon FIOS motorola stb/dvr into the hdmi-in port of the Oppo 105 and not see/hear any video/audio anomalies (lip sync, frame drops, etc.), I'd sure like to know how it's possible. I've tried every which way to make my fios box and the 105 peacefully co-exist in my system.....I wanted to take advantage of the 105's 1080p output when watching fios tv, but have failed. Perhaps the next Oppo firmware upgrade will make this possible?

Join the club. A lot of people have the same issues with their STB. And it's not only Verizon that has problems playing nice with the 105.
post #5400 of 10181
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Get a sample file to OPPO Tech Support and they can check it out.
--Bob
Thank you for your advice, but I'm sure now that it's not an Oppo problem, but an AudioGate bug.
Edited by jonicht - 5/11/13 at 12:59pm
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