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post #541 of 10143
Wow, from the waaaay back, I just realized that you initials are those of someone, who was exceptionally cordial to me and many others, in the late 90's, ( I think) on that yahoo group, when Tony started it. Amazing that I remember your name (actually recall some interesting threads from that group about the spelling of your first name, I think), if that is you. I recall your program, which i still have somewhere for ir drivers. I won't state your name here, to respect your privacy, but sincere thanks and from me and others, I am sure, who did not express enough appreciation. I do also recall, now, some phone conversations, you graciously had with me, socratically helping me along. Hopefully that was you.

The fact that you recognized my handle, then...nothing less expected. Bravo

Thank you very much

Fury
post #542 of 10143
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

--Bob

Hi Bob, do you know the design differences between the BDP105 and the BDP95 power supplies? Although I don't have the 95 here now, I'm noticing a "bigger and bolder" presentation with the 105. I normally associate this with components that have significantly upgraded power supplies compared to their lower level peers.

Thanks
post #543 of 10143
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Originally Posted by Srgtfury View Post

Wow, from the waaaay back, I just realized that you initials are those of someone, who was exceptionally cordial to me and many others, in the late 90's, ( I think) on that yahoo group, when Tony started it. Amazing that I remember your name (actually recall some interesting threads from that group about the spelling of your first name, I think), if that is you. I recall your program, which i still have somewhere for ir drivers. I won't state your name here, to respect your privacy, but sincere thanks and from me and others, I am sure, who did not express enough appreciation. I do also recall, now, some phone conversations, you graciously had with me, socratically helping me along. Hopefully that was you.
The fact that you recognized my handle, then...nothing less expected. Bravo
Thank you very much
Fury
My AVS handle is just my initials - nothing too secretive about it. I was just lazy when I registered here as I didn't want to type my whole name every time I logged into the forum biggrin.gif. And yes, that IR driver program is something I wrote. Me cordial? You must be confusing me with someone else, LOL biggrin.gif. Feel free to call me Geoff.

If you have any other questions on controlling Oppo players with Crestron, it's probably best to ask over on the Yahoo group as there are a decent number of people over there using Oppo products who obviously know the Crestron part of the equation too. Even though Crestron's programming tool is called SIMPL, it isn't always simple biggrin.gif.
post #544 of 10143
Just checked out the new Led Zeppelin "Celebration Day" Blu-ray on the 105. Interestingly, while I prefer listening to hi-res MCH (DVD-A, SACD, etc.) via the analog outs because of the superior clarity, I much prefer the sound via HDMI with Audyssey MultiEQ XT engaged for this live disc. Much better soundstage and ambience, which is essential given the enormity of this live performance. Via analog, it's incredibly narrow-sounding.

It makes sense, since ambience is a much greater factor in live recordings, whereas clarity is much more apparent in studio recordings. Very glad I have both options available. When I upgrade my Denon 4308ci (currently used as a Pre/Pro) to the Marantz 8801, I can only imagine the improvements XT32 will bring.
post #545 of 10143
In the US, Crutchfield has just posted an expected first ship date for BDP-105 pre-orders of Monday, December 3:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_768BDP105/Oppo-BDP-105.html

Of the US resellers I've been tracking as OPPO continues their roll-out, that just leaves Magnolia AV as the last shoe to drop. Reports from Our Far Flung Correspondents say that they, too, are expecting a good batch of them next week, but they are still not showing the 103/105 on their web page.
--Bob
post #546 of 10143
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Originally Posted by djkiwi View Post

Hi Bob, do you know the design differences between the BDP105 and the BDP95 power supplies? Although I don't have the 95 here now, I'm noticing a "bigger and bolder" presentation with the 105. I normally associate this with components that have significantly upgraded power supplies compared to their lower level peers.

Thanks

The power supply in the 105 is entirely new. Other than that simple statement, I can't really get into implementation details because, as a Beta Tester I've not kept track of what OPPO has already made public and what I've gleaned in Beta Test Club.

Of the sparse number of reviews posted so far, a number have noted that the entire power design of the 105 seems to be a significant step up. But honestly, I don't know how they separate improvements due solely to the power supply from other improvements in the design.
--Bob
post #547 of 10143
Ive just spent the last hour perusing through the reviews and have decided to purchase the Oppo 105.
I'm so impressed with this company (for one , headquarters is 10 minutes from me in Mtn View) but also because their Q/A
is outstanding! Only two FW's since launch?

Anyway, I'd like this to be my last (whew) box purchase for a few years and am leaning towards a modification. After all, what sounds sonically pleasing can now be off the charts good!
A couple came up.. What's been experiences for some with Modwright and Upgrade Company? The Upgrade Company (according to their site) is an Oppo dealer.
Modwright's inclusion of analog tubes seems fascinating, but where would that place a consumer for warranty?

thanks for your thoughts

Ron
post #548 of 10143
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Originally Posted by beatmachine View Post

Ive just spent the last hour perusing through the reviews and have decided to purchase the Oppo 105.
I'm so impressed with this company (for one , headquarters is 10 minutes from me in Mtn View) but also because their Q/A
is outstanding! Only two FW's since launch?
Anyway, I'd like this to be my last (whew) box purchase for a few years and am leaning towards a modification. After all, what sounds sonically pleasing can now be off the charts good!
A couple came up.. What's been experiences for some with Modwright and Upgrade Company? The Upgrade Company (according to their site) is an Oppo dealer.
Modwright's inclusion of analog tubes seems fascinating, but where would that place a consumer for warranty?
thanks for your thoughts
Ron

Don't forget Ric Schultz from EVS who is also modding the Oppo players. I will probabaly get my 105 modded at some point.
post #549 of 10143
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

I was talking with someone else about how you calculated those numbers, and how Audeze reckoned on 1 Watt to produce 120dB.
120dB is 1000x 90dB (each 3dB is double the power, so its 2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2). So if it takes 1mW to produce 90dB, it will take 1W to produce 120dB. That is how Audeze reach their numbers published on their website advising on amplifier power. By the same calculation you would need about 120mW for 110dB.

I think it is an interesting calculation to debate, and to try to decide whether the LCD-2 can obtain realistic listening levels with the BDP-105. My suspicions are that it can if the reference levels in the playback chain are correct. One of the questions that is important in deciding this is whether the published power rating is peak to peak or RMS, and how conservative it is. Peak to peak vs RMS is a difference of a factor of 2.8, which is 4.7 dB. Another issue is the question of what the real peak level experienced in an live listening situation is. It's often quoted at 120db, or even higher in some publications. However discussions of this I've seen say this is exaggerated. It's more likely this is the level measured close miked on an instrument, not in an audience. More likely you are looking at peaks of 105 db at the conductor, and lower in the audience.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Pg5gUG5CYI8C&pg=PA721&lpg=PA721&dq=audience+sound+levels+symphony&source=bl&ots=eCTG_i4xn6&sig=VbV57D1MSt3d-fTTihH62YU1jFY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t4K3ULq5D5TC0AGw5IDADg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=audience%20sound%20levels%20symphony&f=false

 

My calculations are really simple. The LCD-2 is rated at 91dB/mW into 60 ohms based off their stated website specs. The Oppo amplifier is also rated to produce 91mW into 60 ohms. So, since the LCD-2 takes 1mW to produce an SPL of 91dB, if fed the rated 91mW from the Oppo amplifier into its 60 ohm impedance, the LCD-2 would produce (if able to do so) an SPL level of  91dB + 10*log(91mW) = 110.6dB.

 

Audeze claims a greater than 130dB-peak spl spec for these headphones, but i bet it makes these levels at very high unsavory distortion levels.

 

EDIT:

Checked with Oppo about the possibility of changing the ampl gain and they said ti was a no-go as it will involve a PCB change on their part.

 

The ability to adjust the voltage through software is theoretical. It is something that we have not really investigated as a possible solution as it will affect the audio performance of the headphone amplifier. For this reason we have not investigated what kind of software headroom there is. We are looking at the headphone amplifier as being a purely hardware implementation, so any adjustments we want to make to the voltage will have to be hardware oriented which we have no plans to do at all.

Edited by dmusoke - 11/29/12 at 2:21pm
post #550 of 10143
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Originally Posted by beatmachine View Post

Ive just spent the last hour perusing through the reviews and have decided to purchase the Oppo 105.
I'm so impressed with this company (for one , headquarters is 10 minutes from me in Mtn View) but also because their Q/A
is outstanding! Only two FW's since launch?

Anyway, I'd like this to be my last (whew) box purchase for a few years and am leaning towards a modification. After all, what sounds sonically pleasing can now be off the charts good!
A couple came up.. What's been experiences for some with Modwright and Upgrade Company? The Upgrade Company (according to their site) is an Oppo dealer.
Modwright's inclusion of analog tubes seems fascinating, but where would that place a consumer for warranty?

thanks for your thoughts

Ron

 

Given a choice between the two, i would choose Modwright since he re-designs the PCBs versus applying lots of shielding and other questionable thing TUC doess. Googlinng TUC feeback is very negative.

 

If a problem occurs that's related to Dan Wrights modification, he will fix it for free. If its due to Oppo, Oppo will fix it but will return the mod and the player as separate parts.

post #551 of 10143
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

My calculations are really simple. The LCD-2 is rated at 91dB/mW into 60 ohms based off their stated website specs. The Oppo amplifier is also rated to produce 91mW into 60 ohms. So, since the LCD-2 takes 1mW to produce an SPL of 91dB, if fed the rated 91mW from the Oppo amplifier into its 60 ohm impedance, the LCD-2 would produce (if able to do so) an SPL level of  91dB + 10*log(91mW) = 110.6dB.

Audeze claims a greater than 130dB-peak spl spec for these headphones, but i bet it makes these levels at very high unsavory distortion levels.

EDIT:
Checked with Oppo about the possibility of changing the ampl gain and they said ti was a no-go as it will involve a PCB change on their part.



The ability to adjust the voltage through software is theoretical. It is something that we have not really investigated as a possible solution as it will affect the audio performance of the headphone amplifier. For this reason we have not investigated what kind of software headroom there is. We are looking at the headphone amplifier as being a purely hardware implementation, so any adjustments we want to make to the voltage will have to be hardware oriented which we have no plans to do at all.


This is the response I received from OPPO back on November 23rd:

At this time there is no solution for increasing the output voltage to the headphones to get higher audio. The ability to drive the headphones higher may be something we can do with software (which will come at the expense of accuracy and probable introduction of artifacts) but will likely require a hardware solution which increases the hardware voltage from the headphone output stage.
post #552 of 10143
>>Given a choice between the two, i would choose Modwright since he re-designs the PCBs versus applying lots of shielding and other questionable thing TUC doess. Googlinng TUC feeback is very negative.If a problem occurs that's related to Dan Wrights modification, he will fix it for free. If its due to Oppo, Oppo will fix it but will return the mod and the player as separate parts.>>>

Thanks! Agreed.., there is substantial ambiguity with TUC whereas Modwright seems to provide full disclosure.
post #553 of 10143
+1 Had one of the early SACD players upgraded at Modwright. Tremendous improvement in redbook SQ. Never had any reliability issues.

Styln
post #554 of 10143
Thanks to everyone that replied to my questions about getting FLAC files off the computer. What a great forum!

I was able to download the software to see FLAC files on WMP. But, I can't seem to do any sorting with them. No matter what sort option I choose, it keeps them in track order of all of my albums. So, I have track one from every album together and then track two and so forth. Is there a way around this?

I think I am going to download the trial JRiver and get a USB cable. I know it is not the most convenient set-up. But, I think the asynchrous USB input is going to yield the best sonic results of all of the computer options.

I am currently using a Logitech Squeezebox Touch to play the FLAC files. It is very convenient as it is wireless and I can choose what I want to play from the Logitech touch screen. But, I think it will sound better going through the asynchrous input as it will reclock the digital bits from the computer.
post #555 of 10143
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

My calculations are really simple. The LCD-2 is rated at 91dB/mW into 60 ohms based off their stated website specs. The Oppo amplifier is also rated to produce 91mW into 60 ohms. So, since the LCD-2 takes 1mW to produce an SPL of 91dB, if fed the rated 91mW from the Oppo amplifier into its 60 ohm impedance, the LCD-2 would produce (if able to do so) an SPL level of  91dB + 10*log(91mW) = 110.6dB.

Audeze claims a greater than 130dB-peak spl spec for these headphones, but i bet it makes these levels at very high unsavory distortion levels.

Yes, I am sure that is right. Primarily I'm wrestling with is the idea that 110 dB is insufficient. Most of the sources I've read seem to put max sound level encountered in a concert hall audience at no more than 105 dB.

Rock venues who knows. But I'm not trying to reproduce some pathological case an inch from my tympanic membrane.
post #556 of 10143
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Originally Posted by Deanhorn View Post

Thanks to everyone that replied to my questions about getting FLAC files off the computer. What a great forum!
I was able to download the software to see FLAC files on WMP. But, I can't seem to do any sorting with them. No matter what sort option I choose, it keeps them in track order of all of my albums. So, I have track one from every album together and then track two and so forth. Is there a way around this?
I think I am going to download the trial JRiver and get a USB cable. I know it is not the most convenient set-up. But, I think the asynchrous USB input is going to yield the best sonic results of all of the computer options.
I am currently using a Logitech Squeezebox Touch to play the FLAC files. It is very convenient as it is wireless and I can choose what I want to play from the Logitech touch screen. But, I think it will sound better going through the asynchrous input as it will reclock the digital bits from the computer.

Once again, you can access those files directly over your network using SMB, there's no need for any server software or USB connection.
post #557 of 10143
Hello - Quick question on the HDMI output. A friend of mine upgraded to the BDP-105 from the BDP-95 and noticed an improvement in digital audio via HDMI on the 105 over the 95? Is that possible? Thank you.
post #558 of 10143
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Indeed, even some of the stuff that's being put out on Blu-ray discs these days is shockingly bad.
--Bob

But at least some of the stuff on Blu-ray profile 3 discs is astonishingly good. It depends on what company is making the recordings. I really like 2L's stuff.
post #559 of 10143
Question on Neo6 - music and movies: I enabled Neo6 Music in the set-up menu. Hooked up my HTPC's digital out (coax) to the Oppo's coax digital input. All music played in 2-channel. How do I switch to Neo6 to listen to the music in multi-channel mode? Ya, I know it's frowned down in the audiophile community, but I wanna try it.

I also hooked up my HTPC via USB and installed the driver from Oppo. Music plays and sounds great, but it's only in two channel like the coaxial digital input. No Neo6.

What am I doing wrong????
post #560 of 10143
I have a serious lip-sync error with the BDP-105. Evidently others have reported similar problems but I'll document mine here.

I have a DirecTV receiver connected to the rear HDMI input. HDMI output #1 is connected to a Panasonic TV. The OPPO analog outputs are connected directly to power amplifier channels - that is, I’m using the OPPO as essentially a preamp among other functions. The apparent quality of the analog design begs for this use. I purchased the unit with this use in mind. I guess I should have waited until it was determined that OPPO was delivering a fully functional product but impatience got the best of me. This sort of problem might have been seen ten years ago but certainly I didn't expect it today. I guess some things never change. I sent OPPO an email tonight (Thursday) detailing the problem, much as I’ve done here.

I haven't searched to see if this is also a problem on the BDP-103. I gave one of those as a gift. It will be used mostly for DVD/Blu-Ray play and perhaps Netflix.

If this issue isn't fixed in the next few weeks I'll be returning the unit. I certainly would suggest that other potential purchasers who have this use in mind hold off on purchasing unit the problem is resolved or declared an undocumented feature. Frankly a problem of this magnitude reflects poorly and raises questions on the whole unit IMNVHO.

Jeff
post #561 of 10143
I had similar problems using my directv box, not only that but when I tried to change some tv channels on the direct tv box, the Oppo stopped working all together and froze the image, then I had to turn off the unit to get it back to work. The remote becoming unresponsive has happened to me several times, it is frustrating and I hope Oppo fixes these issues quickly.
post #562 of 10143
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

But at least some of the stuff on Blu-ray profile 3 discs is astonishingly good. It depends on what company is making the recordings. I really like 2L's stuff.

I just checked out 2L's website. It looks very interesting. Do you have any recommendations from their offerings?

Thnx
post #563 of 10143
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Originally Posted by bigguyca View Post

I have a serious lip-sync error with the BDP-105. Evidently others have reported similar problems but I'll document mine here.
I have a DirecTV receiver connected to the rear HDMI input. HDMI output #1 is connected to a Panasonic TV. The OPPO analog outputs are connected directly to power amplifier channels - that is, I’m using the OPPO as essentially a preamp among other functions. The apparent quality of the analog design begs for this use. I purchased the unit with this use in mind. I guess I should have waited until it was determined that OPPO was delivering a fully functional product but impatience got the best of me. This sort of problem might have been seen ten years ago but certainly I didn't expect it today. I guess some things never change. I sent OPPO an email tonight (Thursday) detailing the problem, much as I’ve done here.
I haven't searched to see if this is also a problem on the BDP-103. I gave one of those as a gift. It will be used mostly for DVD/Blu-Ray play and perhaps Netflix.
If this issue isn't fixed in the next few weeks I'll be returning the unit. I certainly would suggest that other potential purchasers who have this use in mind hold off on purchasing unit the problem is resolved or declared an undocumented feature. Frankly a problem of this magnitude reflects poorly and raises questions on the whole unit IMNVHO.
Jeff

HI Jeff.

I ran a similar test 2 days ago on my 103.

Windows 7 Sony Vaio PC HDMI-out (PCM stereo) ---> Oppo HDMI in ---> Stereo LR outs --> Power Amp IN

No lip synch issue.


Is you Direct TV receiver outputting PCM stereo or multi-channel?

Have you tried playing around with different audio output setting in your Direct TV to see if that affects the lip synch?
post #564 of 10143
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Originally Posted by MagnoliaMOE View Post

Hello - Quick question on the HDMI output. A friend of mine upgraded to the BDP-105 from the BDP-95 and noticed an improvement in digital audio via HDMI on the 105 over the 95? Is that possible? Thank you.

Most people would say "no, that's not possible" but you never get 100% agreement in audio matters. Or anything else.

-Bill
post #565 of 10143
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Originally Posted by bigguyca View Post

I have a serious lip-sync error with the BDP-105. Evidently others have reported similar problems but I'll document mine here.
I have a DirecTV receiver connected to the rear HDMI input. HDMI output #1 is connected to a Panasonic TV. The OPPO analog outputs are connected directly to power amplifier channels - that is, I’m using the OPPO as essentially a preamp among other functions. The apparent quality of the analog design begs for this use. I purchased the unit with this use in mind. I guess I should have waited until it was determined that OPPO was delivering a fully functional product but impatience got the best of me. This sort of problem might have been seen ten years ago but certainly I didn't expect it today. I guess some things never change. I sent OPPO an email tonight (Thursday) detailing the problem, much as I’ve done here.
I haven't searched to see if this is also a problem on the BDP-103. I gave one of those as a gift. It will be used mostly for DVD/Blu-Ray play and perhaps Netflix.
If this issue isn't fixed in the next few weeks I'll be returning the unit. I certainly would suggest that other potential purchasers who have this use in mind hold off on purchasing unit the problem is resolved or declared an undocumented feature. Frankly a problem of this magnitude reflects poorly and raises questions on the whole unit IMNVHO.
Jeff

I also have same lip sync issues and Direct TV.

I'm wondering if you have a 3D TV? 3D from my Direct TV cable box will not work through the Oppo using the HDMI inputs. The split screen will not converge on my Panasonic Plasma.

I assumed the problem was between the Oppo and the Panasonic. I reported it to Oppo and they "made note". Perhaps it is the DirectTV cable box. I'll do some testing today to see if I can resolve the issues.

By the way.....I was planning on boxing up the Oppo today and sending her back! Hope I can resolve these problems.
post #566 of 10143
Scanspeak,
I am having the same problems with lip sync and directv. I have the oppo directly connected to a mcintosh mc-402 via analog xlr connection. I have the directv connected straight to the oppo via hdmi (digital/multi channel audio) to take advantage of the video/audio processing and lip sync problem is significant. I am assuming the problem lies with the oppo separating the digital/analog signals. At any rate, the problem needs to be resolved asap. I have not communicated to oppo about the problem. I agree with you these problems should have been resolved before the release. If you receive a response from oppo, please post their response.
Thank you,
post #567 of 10143
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

Question on Neo6 - music and movies: I enabled Neo6 Music in the set-up menu. Hooked up my HTPC's digital out (coax) to the Oppo's coax digital input. All music played in 2-channel. How do I switch to Neo6 to listen to the music in multi-channel mode? Ya, I know it's frowned down in the audiophile community, but I wanna try it.
I also hooked up my HTPC via USB and installed the driver from Oppo. Music plays and sounds great, but it's only in two channel like the coaxial digital input. No Neo6.
What am I doing wrong????

Had the same problem and e-mailed Oppo support. The answer was that DTS Neo:6 works on in 7.1 down-mix mode, not in 5.1 down-mix mode. This will be fixed in the next firmware release.

Also experienced the audio delay problem. Especially problematic with the HDMI IN port, but also with some Bluray titles. With Blurays it helps to install the new beta firmware to a certain extent (!?), but for HDMI IN we will have to wait for the new official firmware.

There has been a lot of discussion on different forums about the problem being related to different AVRs. I am using the analog outputs from the Oppo 105 and thus I would say it has nothing to do which AVR you are using.
post #568 of 10143
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

Question on Neo6 - music and movies: I enabled Neo6 Music in the set-up menu. Hooked up my HTPC's digital out (coax) to the Oppo's coax digital input. All music played in 2-channel. How do I switch to Neo6 to listen to the music in multi-channel mode? Ya, I know it's frowned down in the audiophile community, but I wanna try it.

I also hooked up my HTPC via USB and installed the driver from Oppo. Music plays and sounds great, but it's only in two channel like the coaxial digital input. No Neo6.

What am I doing wrong????

First of all the Neo:6 processing will only produce surround sound on the multi-channel Analog audio outputs, so unless you are using those, there's no reason to turn it on. (Look for surround sound processing in your HDMI or Optical/Coax capable surround sound processor instead.)

Next, as mentioned above there is a bug in the current firmware that keeps Neo:6 processing from engaging if you have less than a 7.1 speaker configuration set up. It should also be available to raise stereo content to 5.1 speaker output, but that's currently not turning on. OPPO Engineering is on the case.

The last item I want to mention is that there is an UNEXPECTED SIDE EFFECT of setting DTS Neo:6 Mode to MUSIC or CINEMA. Doing that will cause *ALL* audio streams to be limited to either 44.1KHz or 48KHz (depending on the rate of the original content). So if you play higher rate tracks -- e.g., SACDs or high rate music from Blu-ray discs or media files -- you definitely DO NOT WANT to leave DTS Ne0:6 Mode turned on all the time! Only turn it on when you really want to use it.
--Bob
post #569 of 10143
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Most people would say "no, that's not possible" but you never get 100% agreement in audio matters. Or anything else.
-Bill

Thanks. I understand that the analog outputs would sound different due to a different power supply and implementation of the DACs between the 95 and 105 but I really don't get how HDMI output would sound different on the BDP-95 vs BDP-105, especially when decoded by the same McIntosh preamp MX121.
post #570 of 10143
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Originally Posted by Styln View Post

Suggest using Asset UPnP DLNA server. This is a server designed exclusively for audio play back.
Highest recommendation.
Styln

Hi Stylyn - I am also using Asset UPnP. Works great streaming FLAC over my network. Do you use a front end on your PC that allows you to create playlists that drop into the Asset folder structure? I see this folder there but not sure how to populate. I also have not figure out how to shuffle.

Thanks in advance for any help
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