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post #5551 of 10056
Is there any audible difference between HDMI 1 and HDMI 2? (I plan to buy this unit in a few weeks.) I know that 1 is optimized for video, so should I use 2 for pure audio purposes? Also, my current 95 allows me to select pure DSD or PCM conversion for SACD audio--does the 105 offer that option? (Their site mentions this ability with the 95 but they don't mention it with the 105.) Since it's more expensive, I hope it still does!
post #5552 of 10056
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

Is there any audible difference between HDMI 1 and HDMI 2? (I plan to buy this unit in a few weeks.) I know that 1 is optimized for video, so should I use 2 for pure audio purposes? Also, my current 95 allows me to select pure DSD or PCM conversion for SACD audio--does the 105 offer that option? (Their site mentions this ability with the 95 but they don't mention it with the 105.) Since it's more expensive, I hope it still does!

See the FAQ (link available at the top of the first post of this thread) for info on HDMI 1 and HDMI 2. The difference is similar to what you are already familiar with on the 95, but with some variation. DSD-Direct-to-Analog conversion is available in the 105. HDMI DSD output is also available (HDMI 2 only). The 105 adds the ability to play media files in DSD format (as well as SACD discs).

The Manual for the 105 is also available for download from the OPPO Digital site (a PDF file) if you'd like to get more familiar with it.
--Bob
post #5553 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

See the FAQ (link available at the top of the first post of this thread) for info on HDMI 1 and HDMI 2. The difference is similar to what you are already familiar with on the 95, but with some variation. DSD-Direct-to-Analog conversion is available in the 105. HDMI DSD output is also available (HDMI 2 only). The 105 adds the ability to play media files in DSD format (as well as SACD discs).

The Manual for the 105 is also available for download from the OPPO Digital site (a PDF file) if you'd like to get more familiar with it.
--Bob

Thank you. So, if I'm interpreting the FAQs correctly, if I use the split setup, I'll have DSD via HDMI 2 for music and PCM via HDMI 1 for movies? If so, then great!
post #5554 of 10056
I read an interview between Gene DellaSala and Nathaniel Plain on Audioholics. Among other things they said:

Q: Can these new players be connected via USB to serve as a high end DAC to stream music from a PC?

A: The BDP-105 comes with a USB DAC input for just this purpose.

What I envision is sticking my DVD of the latest Star Trek movie or my SACD of Itzhak Perlman into the Oppo 105, watch it or listen to it, then decide that I don't want to lose it in my mess, and rip it to a hard drive attached to the Oppo. Then when I come home depressed from home in a few weeks, I can talk to the hard drive using my Windows 7 laptop, and tell it to send Perlman to the Oppo.

Is a setup like this possible? It sounds like the Oppo is designed to talk to a PC. Is someone selling pre-configured, stripped down PCs for this purpose?

[This was moved from the general Blu-ray Players forum. I haven't posted where it was all one thread before. Hope I haven't screwed it up.]
post #5555 of 10056
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Originally Posted by tr@nz View Post

In addition to all the other issues, does anyone else have skipping chapter issues using the 105 latest firmware when playing DVD/Bluray discs?

I am steadily getting very frustrated with the 105 and have never had as many issues with any dvd/bluray players, even the el cheapo ones, ever!

The growing list of issues:

1. Lipsynch issues are ridiculous - Every time you pause TV, the lipsynch delay setting is lost and you have to switch inputs and come back to have it reset. And the lipsynch delay is inconsistent. Having to bypass the HDMI and the video upscaling and using the optical audio as the workaround defeats the purpose of spending this amount of cash on a media player.

2. Painfully loud high pitched noise coming out of left and right channels when TV is on pause. The player automatically jumps to LPCM 2 channel after a few seconds, and starts emitting this painful noise, even though the TV channel is in 5.1 dolby.

3. Loud pops coming through left and right channels when pausing TV and starting the playback again after a few seconds. Tied to #2 with the auto-switching to LPCM 2 channel.

3. Audio drop outs when watching TV through HDMI. Random but frequent.

4. Audio drop outs when watching DVD. Random and not as frequent as watching TV through HDMI

5. DVDs skipping (Brand spanking new ones that work without any issues on $100 player)

6. DVDs not playing back certain chapters as it will skip over those chapters every time.

On paper the 105 had me very excited and looked to be the dogs bollocks, but in practice the frustrating issues are doing me head in. Time to return the unit and go back to Samsung/Pioneer/Denon?


Grumble!

With this many problems, you may have a defective unit. Have you called or emailed Oppo about all these problems?
post #5556 of 10056
Thread Starter 
You can do this already if you are using SMB shares. You can share DSD (DSF/DFF), MKV, and other media formats through SMB shares through your network.
post #5557 of 10056
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

See the FAQ (link available at the top of the first post of this thread) for info on HDMI 1 and HDMI 2. The difference is similar to what you are already familiar with on the 95, but with some variation. DSD-Direct-to-Analog conversion is available in the 105. HDMI DSD output is also available (HDMI 2 only). The 105 adds the ability to play media files in DSD format (as well as SACD discs).

The Manual for the 105 is also available for download from the OPPO Digital site (a PDF file) if you'd like to get more familiar with it.
--Bob

Thank you. So, if I'm interpreting the FAQs correctly, if I use the split setup, I'll have DSD via HDMI 2 for music and PCM via HDMI 1 for movies? If so, then great!

The way to do this is to make sure that only 1 of those two connections is "live" at any given moment. For most AVRs this will happen automatically simply because you have selected one or the other of them for input. But some AVRs keep their HDMI sockets "live" even when not listening on that socket. Sometimes this is done, for example, to implement HDMI CEC (device remote control over the HDMI cables).

If only one of the two connections is live at any given moment, then the Split A/V vs. Dual Display choice is ignored. And as you say, you can get full featured audio on either cable (whichever one is "live" at the moment), with the exception that HDMI DSD is only available on the HDMI 2 cable.
--Bob
post #5558 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The way to do this is to make sure that only 1 of those two connections is "live" at any given moment. For most AVRs this will happen automatically simply because you have selected one or the other of them for input. But some AVRs keep their HDMI sockets "live" even when not listening on that socket. Sometimes this is done, for example, to implement HDMI CEC (device remote control over the HDMI cables).

If only one of the two connections is live at any given moment, then the Split A/V vs. Dual Display choice is ignored. And as you say, you can get full featured audio on either cable (whichever one is "live" at the moment), with the exception that HDMI DSD is only available on the HDMI 2 cable.
--Bob

Thanks again. I have a Marantz 8801 pre/pro--not sure if it allows simultaneous "live" inputs.
post #5559 of 10056
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Originally Posted by tr@nz View Post

In addition to all the other issues, does anyone else have skipping chapter issues using the 105 latest firmware when playing DVD/Bluray discs?

I am steadily getting very frustrated with the 105 and have never had as many issues with any dvd/bluray players, even the el cheapo ones, ever!

The growing list of issues:

1. Lipsynch issues are ridiculous - Every time you pause TV, the lipsynch delay setting is lost and you have to switch inputs and come back to have it reset. And the lipsynch delay is inconsistent. Having to bypass the HDMI and the video upscaling and using the optical audio as the workaround defeats the purpose of spending this amount of cash on a media player.

2. Painfully loud high pitched noise coming out of left and right channels when TV is on pause. The player automatically jumps to LPCM 2 channel after a few seconds, and starts emitting this painful noise, even though the TV channel is in 5.1 dolby.

3. Loud pops coming through left and right channels when pausing TV and starting the playback again after a few seconds. Tied to #2 with the auto-switching to LPCM 2 channel.

3. Audio drop outs when watching TV through HDMI. Random but frequent.

4. Audio drop outs when watching DVD. Random and not as frequent as watching TV through HDMI

5. DVDs skipping (Brand spanking new ones that work without any issues on $100 player)

6. DVDs not playing back certain chapters as it will skip over those chapters every time.

On paper the 105 had me very excited and looked to be the dogs bollocks, but in practice the frustrating issues are doing me head in. Time to return the unit and go back to Samsung/Pioneer/Denon?


Grumble!

Wow, I never had a single issue with my 95 and so far the 105 has been perfect for me.

Talk to oppo!
post #5560 of 10056
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Originally Posted by darthkringle View Post

All- Anyone have any feedback above? I have created an m3u playlist and no matter where I put it on the drive I cannot find it in navigation. Has anyone had any success with creating playlists with the new firmware feature? Thanks all for any guidance!!



Guys- Any luck or feedback here? Thanks!
post #5561 of 10056
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Originally Posted by darthkringle View Post

Guys- Any luck or feedback here? Thanks!

M3U playlists are not supported. Please read the firmware release notes regarding what is supported:
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*Added support for CUE file playback. This function can be applied to music files on local storage and supported audio formats include FLAC, WAV, APE and MP3.

*Added a feature that allows the creation of playlists while accessing music files from local USB storage. When navigating these music files, pressing the OPTION button will bring up a menu with a prompt to either "Add to playlist" or "Goto playlist". The created playlist file is stored within the local USB storage, inside "OPPO_Media_Info/playlist".
post #5562 of 10056
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Originally Posted by edfowler View Post

I run the hdmi from the stb to the oppo to the projector. I then run the optical out from the stb to my receiver, bypassing the oppo for audio but still using the oppo to upscale the video.
Thanks, I'm not sure how that will work in my set up. If i run HDMI from STB into oppo, than optical from STB in my AVR , how will the audio from the oppo be bypassed? When I select BD on my AVR wont it automatically process the sound via oppo? Thanks. BTW this lip synch problem is a real PITA!
post #5563 of 10056
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Originally Posted by gelly View Post

Thanks, I'm not sure how that will work in my set up. If i run HDMI from STB into oppo, than optical from STB in my AVR , how will the audio from the oppo be bypassed? When I select BD on my AVR wont it automatically process the sound via oppo? Thanks. BTW this lip synch problem is a real PITA!
I think edfowlers statement seems logical...send hdmi from stb to oppo to tv/projector. Direct optical out of your stb to your avr. You'll have to mute your tv speakers because that will be messed up, lip sync oppo audio (from hdmi out). Your ht speakers will play optical audio from your stb.
post #5564 of 10056
Kal Rubinson's Music in the Round #60 contains a descriptive write-up of the new Oppos.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-round-60

Much like what happened with the Oppo 95, and in the face of much criticism then, it seems there will not be a formal Stereophile review of the Oppo 105. Probably would annoy the multi-kilobuck unit manufacturers.
post #5565 of 10056
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Originally Posted by MLM View Post

Kal Rubinson's Music in the Round #60 contains a descriptive write-up of the new Oppos.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-round-60

Much like what happened with the Oppo 95, and in the face of much criticism then, it seems there will not be a formal Stereophile review of the Oppo 105. Probably would annoy the multi-kilobuck unit manufacturers.

You are suggesting some sort of gag-order?
post #5566 of 10056
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

M3U playlists are not supported. Please read the firmware release notes regarding what is supported:


So I see nothing in the firmware relases notes that say which PLAYLIST formats are supported. The list above implies the FILE types that can be within the Playlist. What is the supported format to create multiple persistent playlists? Has anyone actually accomplished this? Thanks and my sincere apologies if I am missing something obvious.


Cheers
post #5567 of 10056
Thread Starter 
CUE is the only "Playlist" that you can create on your computer that the player will recognize. Please note that CUE as it currently is implemented is design to split a single file into multiple tracks. Multi-track CUE files is something that OPPO is working on, but is not officially supported at this time.

The Playlist creation of the player is its own internal format. It can only be created and accessed through the player.
post #5568 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

CUE is the only "Playlist" that you can create on your computer that the player will recognize. Please note that CUE as it currently is implemented is design to split a single file into multiple tracks. Multi-track CUE files is something that OPPO is working on, but is not officially supported at this time.

The Playlist creation of the player is its own internal format. It can only be created and accessed through the player.


Excellent info!!! So with that said, the internal format just creates the one playlist correct? Meaning I cannot create multiple version or instances of the "internal" Playlist correct? Thanks SO MUCH.
post #5569 of 10056
Thread Starter 
I've personally not tried making alternative Playlists, so I don't know how many Playlists the player will support.
post #5570 of 10056
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Originally Posted by MLM View Post

Kal Rubinson's Music in the Round #60 contains a descriptive write-up of the new Oppos. http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-round-60. Much like what happened with the Oppo 95, and in the face of much criticism then, it seems there will not be a formal Stereophile review of the Oppo 105. Probably would annoy the multi-kilobuck unit manufacturers.

This is not an attack on the writer, but rather a statement of facts about these rags, which I use to pay a subscription for frown.gif. Not anymore thanks!

Well, and then they say that all these mags are beyond corruption! Money talks they don't want to piss- off the mega advertising companies especially the high-end. Many of my friends are dropping the high end companies and going to Internet Direct. I think it might be a good idea!

Having said this Stereophile actually has a brief review of the BDP-105 in the May issue page 55 that's all folks frown.gif
Edited by wse - 5/19/13 at 5:23pm
post #5571 of 10056
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

This is not an attack on the writer, but rather a statement of facts about these rags, which I use to pay a subscription for frown.gif. Not anymore thanks!

Well, and then they say that all these mags are beyond corruption! Money talks they don't want to piss- off the mega advertising companies especially the high-end. Many of my friends are dropping the high end companies and going to Internet Direct. I think it might be a good idea!

Having said this Stereophile actually has a brief review of the BDP-105 in the May issue page 55 that's all folks frown.gif

You probably should take this, as with many things, along with a grain of salt wink.gif as you are the original poster have no way of knowing the reason as to why are why not ! And why in the world would you or your friends drop highend companies over something so little? It's not like there refusing to sell you anything. Personally if its a piece of gear that may gel with my rig, given these days we live in, it could be internet direct or brick and mortar and I'm not going to deprive myself of it for such a trivial reason. It's purpose is for my enjoyment and not the other way around biggrin.gif
post #5572 of 10056
Anyone notice when u play a 2ch dsd or dff file via direct dsd to analog out and the front right channel appears on right surround as well?
post #5573 of 10056
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

This is not an attack on the writer, but rather a statement of facts about these rags, which I use to pay a subscription for frown.gif. Not anymore thanks!

Well, and then they say that all these mags are beyond corruption! Money talks they don't want to piss- off the mega advertising companies especially the high-end. Many of my friends are dropping the high end companies and going to Internet Direct. I think it might be a good idea!

Having said this Stereophile actually has a brief review of the BDP-105 in the May issue page 55 that's all folks frown.gif

What wse calls a "brief review" is exactly the same "Music in the Round" article cited above. Nothing more. It is not a review really, but rather a description of the features. The only non-facts offered were that as a DAC "the quality was superb" and that it is the, "best sounding least expensive high quality player". IMO this is praise wrapped in ambiguity. The problem, if there is one, is not with Kal; rather it is with his editor.

I am not a subscriber so I went to the web site to see what it takes to get a full review (with measurements) in the category: Hi-Rez Disc Player/Transport Reviews.

There, on the first page I found the following, each with a Thesaurus load of accolades describing their sonics:

Krell $12,000
Luxman $4,990
Ayre $9,950
Carey $6,500
Marantz $2,999.99
Playback Designs $15,000
dCS $17,999
dCS $32,999
Boulder $24,000
post #5574 of 10056
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post
You probably should take this, as with many things, along with a grain of salt wink.gifas you are the original poster have no way of knowing the reason as to why are why not ! 

 

In general, Stereophile does not do feature reviews on multichannel equipment and JA's bench testing is restricted to products in feature reviews.   My column was created to cover such products.

 

 

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Originally Posted by MLM View Post
I am not a subscriber so I went to the web site to see what it takes to get a full review (with measurements) in the category: Hi-Rez Disc Player/Transport Reviews.
There, on the first page I found the following, each with a Thesaurus load of accolades describing their sonics:
Krell $12,000
Luxman $4,990
Ayre $9,950
Carey $6,500
Marantz $2,999.99
Playback Designs $15,000
dCS $17,999
dCS $32,999
Boulder $24,000

 

AFAIK, those are all 2-channel devices.

post #5575 of 10056
I'm having trouble since the last firmware upgrade as well. When trying to play Hires files, the player gives a short, up to one second burst of white noise at full volume. I have already fried two tweeters in an expensive pair of new speakers.

It also freezes when navigation through audio files stored on an external drive and freezes when navigating Netflix.

Tech support has told me they are aware of the hires problem (did not offer to repay me for the fried tweeters) and said I'd have to wait til the next firmware upgrade.

Gave me some tips for Netflix freeze problems.

Not real happy with this ....my BDP-93 gave me not problems like this.
post #5576 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

In general, "Stereophile" does not do feature reviews on multichannel equipment and JA's bench testing is restricted to products in feature reviews.   My column was created to cover such products.



AFAIK, those are all 2-channel devices.
Well schucks........doesn't that just beat all! A magazine called Stereophile devoted to all things 2 channel writing about all things ........... 2 channel. Who woulda ever thunk?!!! biggrin.gif
post #5577 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Ramatam View Post

I'm having trouble since the last firmware upgrade as well. When trying to play Hires files, the player gives a short, up to one second burst of white noise at full volume. I have already fried two tweeters in an expensive pair of new speakers.

It also freezes when navigation through audio files stored on an external drive and freezes when navigating Netflix.

Tech support has told me they are aware of the hires problem (did not offer to repay me for the fried tweeters) and said I'd have to wait til the next firmware upgrade.

Gave me some tips for Netflix freeze problems.

Not real happy with this ....my BDP-93 gave me not problems like this.

The fix may be very simple! and restore more than just Netflix navigation and playback as it did for me, so here goes!

First let's assume you have installed the latest Official Firmware!

1.) write down all your settings

2.) Do a factory reset including Netflix and Hulu accounts ( important!)

3.) unplug the 105 or 103 for 5 min and plug back in.

4.) Enter your settings back to where you had them and access Netflix and stream some content and then exit out of Netflix using the return button on the remote!

5.) power down the 105 again from the remote!

6.) Your done! or at least should be biggrin.gif

I had the Netflix stability issues when I had the Beta and they continued when I installed the official, both of which I originally only defaulted back to the factory setting without deleting netflix and Hulu accounts, the described reset above seems to allow the all functions to to perform in sync with the newly installed firmware!

I'm happy to report my Netflix is stable and performs as expected:)

hope this helps
post #5578 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Ramatam View Post

When trying to play Hires files, the player gives a short, up to one second burst of white noise at full volume. I have already fried two tweeters in an expensive pair of new speakers.

Man-o-man that is f@#4king crap! That just makes me numb! Oppo has to get it together.
post #5579 of 10056
OPPO Digital adds "Knowledge Base" section to their web site:

http://www.oppodigital.com/KnowledgeBase.aspx

On the OPPO Digital web site, Customer Service > Knowledge Base will now let you access a collection of Troubleshooting and How To articles specific to each player.

There's even a link for sending in suggestions for additional article topics you'd like to see covered.

This is in addition to the OPPO Wiki and Bill's Unofficial FAQ (links to both available at the top of the first post of this thread).
--Bob
post #5580 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Ramatam View Post

I'm having trouble since the last firmware upgrade as well. When trying to play Hires files, the player gives a short, up to one second burst of white noise at full volume. I have already fried two tweeters in an expensive pair of new speakers.

Not real happy with this ....my BDP-93 gave me not problems like this.
All the more reason not to send audio from the 105 direct to a power amp. Sorry to hear about your tweeters....very unfortunate!!
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