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post #5611 of 10176
I think that we should all be sending in our findings of OPPO tech support. These are expensive players and these kind of quirks...we don't need. If enough of us do that then fixes could find their way into future Firmware fixes.

Some point to make and to answer a couple of questions. when I fried my tweeters from the white noise burst, I was connected to a preamp. Doesn't really matter if you are going direct or through a preamp....loud is loud and high levels of white or oink noise will take out a tweeter in a matter of seconds.

I get freeze-ups and noise bursts from my 1 TB USB hard drive. The Freeze ups are rather infrequent, happening only once in a while. Are you getting more freeze ups with the larger drive? I noticed the other night I did not get that with a 64GB thumb drive. Coincidence...beats me but there might be some significance there. The smaller the drive, the more infrequent the problems.

Finally, if I take the Hires files and create a DVD-A ....no noise bursts whatsoever. so it would start to point a finger at the Hard drive, USB interface.
post #5612 of 10176
On another note, i played some free DSD downloads last night and they sounded fantastic....better in my opinion than the 192/24 hires files. funny thing...while single DSD (64) play fine the Double DSD (128) play at half speed. Can the Oppo not handle double DSD?

Should the player be set to a special setting in set for these files to sound their best? Looks like a whole new can of worms to open....LOL
post #5613 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Ramatam View Post

On another note, i played some free DSD downloads last night and they sounded fantastic....better in my opinion than the 192/24 hires files. funny thing...while single DSD (64) play fine the Double DSD (128) play at half speed. Can the Oppo not handle double DSD?

Should the player be set to a special setting in set for these files to sound their best? Looks like a whole new can of worms to open....LOL
I don't think Oppo supports dsd128 yet.
post #5614 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Ramatam View Post

Some point to make and to answer a couple of questions. when I fried my tweeters from the white noise burst, I was connected to a preamp. Doesn't really matter if you are going direct or through a preamp....loud is loud and high levels of white or oink noise will take out a tweeter in a matter of seconds.
Okay, I've read your response about what happened to your tweeters and your follow up comments. As my final conclusion, I'm going to have to say that having your preamp at a high volume setting blew your tweets out. Since your preamp was the final component in line before your power amp, it really doesn't matter what device (Oppo in your case, but it could have been any component) produced an audible frequency at max preamp out voltage levels (in your case pink/white noise). Since you were using a dedicated preamp, your Oppo's volume should have been set to 100 max (fixed) anyway. Having your preamp's volume at a very high level blew your tweets out, not the Oppo. This is just my unbiased opinion. Certainly Oppo needs to correct this bug when parsing hi-rez audio streams, but I also think you need to know what your max volume level on your preamp can be for safe operation of your speakers, regardless of any other source generated preamp voltage output levels. My integrated amp has the ability to save a max volume level for each of its inputs. It "does" make a difference if you have a preamp between your Oppo and power amps, unless your preamp has digitally controlled volume like the Oppo does, and unexpectedly outputs its max pre-out voltage to your power amp...passive volume control = human regulated volume.
Edited by DanF8500 - 5/22/13 at 9:17am
post #5615 of 10176
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by detroit1 View Post

they really need to come up with new firmware soon to fix the lockups. This is getting ridiculous
last night I had t turn the Oppo on and off 7 times before it started working right with my 4TB drive
It just kept on locking up and when that happens no buttons on the remote will work; you have no choice except to power it off

Contact OPPO and send them your drive. I have a 3TB and 4TB Western Digital My Books and several 2TB Seagate externals which do not lock up the system at all, regardless of the media source I select when I first turn on the player and navigate the Home Menu. There is something inherent to your drives which OPPO will need to test.
post #5616 of 10176
I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times, but I did a search and didn't really see a definitive answer. I'm on the verge of getting a hardware-modded multi-region 105 to replace my 93 and I was wondering if A) the 105 can or will handle DSD 128 playback and B) If there are any issues at all with region-free playback on these modded units? (have an acquaintance with a modded 103 who seems to say he gets a lot of disc freeze-ups on Region B discs).

Thanks in advance!
post #5617 of 10176
Thread Starter 
The player currently only supports DSD64. DSD128 will playback at half speed. OPPO is looking into the possibility of supporting this through future software, but there are no guarantees.

Region free mods are fairly safe to use, but sometimes the firmware for the player will make the kits unusable (kits can receive their own firmware upgrades).
post #5618 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The player currently only supports DSD64. DSD128 will playback at half speed. OPPO is looking into the possibility of supporting this through future software, but there are no guarantees.

I see, this sounds promising, at least.
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Region free mods are fairly safe to use, but sometimes the firmware for the player will make the kits unusable (kits can receive their own firmware upgrades).

So this go round, the kits are a little less reliable, meaning, they have to be upgraded alongside the players every so often, whereas before, the firmware updates had no real effect on the mod kits. Hmm...now I'm wondering if these kit sellers can be relied upon to release firmware updates in a timely fashion for the life of these players, regardless of all claims about "lifetime guarantees" of being region-free. rolleyes.gif
post #5619 of 10176
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Originally Posted by detroit1 View Post

they really need to come up with new firmware soon to fix the lockups. This is getting ridiculous
last night I had t turn the Oppo on and off 7 times before it started working right with my 4TB drive
It just kept on locking up and when that happens no buttons on the remote will work; you have no choice except to power it off

I have gracenote off, quick start off, cache off

...

I would like to know on this forum who else is using a 4TB External Drive; I have a feeling most are using a smaller drive
Similar experience with my WD 4TB hard drive before. What I learned from oppo tech was that this crash could be related with the failure of music file indexing (I had tens of thousands of songs in the drive). You can check the current indexing progress inside "Music"-> your hard drive, then slect an item like "Artists", "Albums" or "Genres". It's a bit slow, but once the indexing was done, I never had any crash/freeze.

Of couse OPPO needs to improve their "indexing" operation, at least should not freeze or crash the player.
post #5620 of 10176
I'm using the sub output from the Oppo going directly into the line-in (low-line) of my powered sub with the crossover in the Oppo set at 80, Should I disable the crossover in the sub?, it has a switch to do this.
post #5621 of 10176
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

I'm using the sub output from the Oppo going directly into the line-in (low-line) of my powered sub with the crossover in the Oppo set at 80, Should I disable the crossover in the sub?, it has a switch to do this.

I would raise the crossover point in the sub to it's highest point. Let the OPPO handle the bass crossover.
post #5622 of 10176
Thread Starter 
If you are having the player do the crossover, then yes, you should disable it on the subwoofer so you are not clipping any bass information.
post #5623 of 10176
Thanks to both of you, I will go ahead and disable the crossover in the sub.
post #5624 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If you are having the player do the crossover, then yes, you should disable it on the subwoofer so you are not clipping any bass information.

would this also apply if running subwoofer into a prepro? That is raise the crossover to it's highest point since I don't thing my subwoofer has a switch to disable the crossover.
post #5625 of 10176
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

would this also apply if running subwoofer into a prepro? That is raise the crossover to it's highest point since I don't thing my subwoofer has a switch to disable the crossover.
Ultimately, you should only be using 1 crossover for the LFE / subwoofer content - the one in the subwoofer, the one in your pre-pro or AVR, or the one in the source device (BDP-105 in this case). All others should be disabled or set to their highest setting.
post #5626 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

While set to listen to the multi-channel analog feed into the Yamaha, and with no disc in the tray, use the player's built-in test tones to check that you are actually getting output on all the analog audio jacks, including the Subwoofer. Select the Test Tones item to enable the test tones and then Left/Right arrow to move around in the picture of the speakers. As you move around in that picture, you will see your current settings for each speaker/sub and should also hear the test tone.

When you get to the picture for the Subwoofer, double-check that it is set to ON.

If still no audio, double check your cabling for each channel to make sure you are using the output and input jacks you think you are using. Some receivers require you to turn off their digital audio to play multi-channel Analog audio, so check if that's true of your Yamaha.

(NOTE: The internal test tones drive the Analog outputs only. You will not hear them if set to listen to the HDMI Audio output of the OPPO.)

The Analog outputs of the OPPO are "line level", so when directly connected to your Subwoofer, make sure you are using its line level input. It may also have a higher voltage "speaker level" input, and that's not the one you want. Your subwoofer may also have a setting to automatically transition between normal operation and stand-by -- either sensing input volume or perhaps a trigger connection. For now, set your Subwoofer to be "always ON", instead, to make sure it really is out of stand-by.
--Bob

Bob,

I tried running the test tones and all channels are showing with the exception of the SW when using the receivers analog inputs. I verified that the front speakers are set to small and that the SW is set to ON. I do have 3 subs that have an auto-on feature, however 3 others do not have this and would still pass a signal. I'm less than a week into this purchase and have 14 days to return if necessary. I picked the BDP-105 to take advantage of the DACs, but it this cannot be resolved, I'll be forced to downgrade to the 103. I can't justify the price if I cannot use the DACs as I'd like.
post #5627 of 10176
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Originally Posted by rg4471 View Post

Bob,

I tried running the test tones and all channels are showing with the exception of the SW when using the receivers analog inputs. I verified that the front speakers are set to small and that the SW is set to ON. I do have 3 subs that have an auto-on feature, however 3 others do not have this and would still pass a signal. I'm less than a week into this purchase and have 14 days to return if necessary. I picked the BDP-105 to take advantage of the DACs, but it this cannot be resolved, I'll be forced to downgrade to the 103. I can't justify the price if I cannot use the DACs as I'd like.

This is progress. The odds are this is simply a setup error. Try connecting the sub output of the OPPO *DIRECTLY* to the line-level input of the Sub and try again with the OPPO's built-in test tones. If you get subwoofer output, then that says there is either something screwy in your settings in the Receiver or in the way the "auto ON" is configured in the Sub.

For the Receiver, make sure that *ITS* Subwoofer output is enabled.
--Bob
post #5628 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Ramatam View Post

I think that we should all be sending in our findings of OPPO tech support.

No, really? So much posting here about problems, but so little followup with Oppo.

Oppo wants to hear about problems, wants to get details so they can address problems, and is not, to the best of my knowledge, telepathic.

Report problems to Oppo and they fix them. They always have. That's why you buy an Oppo instead of a [fill in the blank with almost any other manufacturer's name]. They care. They're responsive. They're super-competent.

Document the problem in detail, and contact them.
Edited by jimshowalter - 5/23/13 at 3:21pm
post #5629 of 10176
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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy View Post

now I'm wondering if these kit sellers can be relied upon to release firmware updates in a timely fashion for the life of these players, regardless of all claims about "lifetime guarantees" of being region-free

Highly doubtful.
post #5630 of 10176
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

No, really? So much posting here about problems, but so little followup with Oppo.

Oppo wants to hear about problems, wants to get details so they can address problems, and is not, to the best of my knowledge, telepathic.

Report problems to Oppo and they fix them. They always have. That's why you buy an Oppo instead of a . They care. They're responsive. They're super-competent.

Document the problem in detail, and contact them.

+1

I couldn't agree more. I send details on all of my problems and they contact me pretty quick. I am very impressed with OPPO and would recommend their players to anyone who asks me.
post #5631 of 10176
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Ultimately, you should only be using 1 crossover for the LFE / subwoofer content - the one in the subwoofer, the one in your pre-pro or AVR, or the one in the source device (BDP-105 in this case). All others should be disabled or set to their highest setting.

Thanks, I have a Rel sub and now I'm not sure I have it setup correctly. I will have to take a look at that. I have the crossover set at 60 in my SSP-800 prepro and the .1 seems to sound ok, but not overpowering.
post #5632 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

While set to listen to the multi-channel analog feed into the Yamaha, and with no disc in the tray, use the player's built-in test tones to check that you are actually getting output on all the analog audio jacks, including the Subwoofer. Select the Test Tones item to enable the test tones and then Left/Right arrow to move around in the picture of the speakers. As you move around in that picture, you will see your current settings for each speaker/sub and should also hear the test tone.

When you get to the picture for the Subwoofer, double-check that it is set to ON.

If still no audio, double check your cabling for each channel to make sure you are using the output and input jacks you think you are using. Some receivers require you to turn off their digital audio to play multi-channel Analog audio, so check if that's true of your Yamaha.

(NOTE: The internal test tones drive the Analog outputs only. You will not hear them if set to listen to the HDMI Audio output of the OPPO.)

The Analog outputs of the OPPO are "line level", so when directly connected to your Subwoofer, make sure you are using its line level input. It may also have a higher voltage "speaker level" input, and that's not the one you want. Your subwoofer may also have a setting to automatically transition between normal operation and stand-by -- either sensing input volume or perhaps a trigger connection. For now, set your Subwoofer to be "always ON", instead, to make sure it really is out of stand-by.
--Bob

Hey Bob,

After trying what you stated above, I ended up allowing this new 105 to go ahead and download the newest firmware, do a factory reset and reset a couple settings and now it has a SW output when using the 7.1 Analog inputs smile.gif. Now I just need to go through and set all my speaker distances and levels for the analog out on the 105. That will be something for this weekend.

Thanks,

Roy
post #5633 of 10176
Just a quick update since last time for those having similar issues. And by the way, the one impressive bit has been Oppo's customer support. They do listen and respond back intelligently; not just an automated placating reply. I have since tested a few beta firmware updates that Oppo provided. They don't always work, but at least they are listening and working on it.


1. Lipsynch issues are ridiculous -

One of the beta firmware versions looks to have resolved this. No more having to reset every time you pause or fast forward through a TV show. Yeah!

2. Painfully loud high pitched noise coming out of left and right channels when TV is on pause. The player automatically jumps to LPCM 2 channel after a few seconds, and starts emitting this painful noise, even though the TV channel is in 5.1 dolby.

Still an issue, but they are working on this one. Might be similar to the issue the gentleman had that fried his tweeters.

3. Loud pops coming through left and right channels when pausing TV and starting the playback again after a few seconds. Tied to #2 with the auto-switching to LPCM 2 channel.

Still an issue. Linked to #2

3. Audio drop outs when watching TV through HDMI. Random but frequent.

Still an issue. Am waiting for some pricy and very short HDMI cables to see if that resolves it.

4. Audio drop outs when watching DVD. Random and not as frequent as watching TV through HDMI

Have not had this happen with the latest beta firmware.

5. DVDs skipping (Brand spanking new ones that work without any issues on $100 player)

This is related to the Resume From setting and certain DVDs that are seen as Oppo to be identical. If for example you are working on a multi disc set, Oppo might think that Disc 2 is the same as Disc 1, even though it is brand new and never played before,
and force the resume and get completely confused. This to me is a bug, but the workaround fixes it. Turn Resume From OFF, and reboot the machine after doing so.

6. DVDs not playing back certain chapters as it will skip over those chapters every time.

The fix is the same as #5.


To avoid any other issues, I have turned off anything that is not immediately useful to me. 3D video, Auto Resume, Resume From, Cache, GraceNote, etc.
post #5634 of 10176
Glad to see they are on top of it!
post #5635 of 10176
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Originally Posted by tr@nz View Post

Just a quick update since last time for those having similar issues. And by the way, the one impressive bit has been Oppo's customer support. They do listen and respond back intelligently; not just an automated placating reply. I have since tested a few beta firmware updates that Oppo provided. They don't always work, but at least they are listening and working on it.


3. Audio drop outs when watching TV through HDMI. Random but frequent.

Still an issue. Am waiting for some pricy and very short HDMI cables to see if that resolves it.

I get the same thing, only on 2 channels. They are both CBS stations. Pricy cables won't fix it and I hear too short of a cable will cause reflections, 6' is the minimum you want. I use a 15' Monoprice w/Redmere Technology cable. Works great for me. I think something esle is wrong to cause the audio dropouts. I know OPPO is working on it.
post #5636 of 10176
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Okay, I've read your response about what happened to your tweeters and your follow up comments. As my final conclusion, I'm going to have to say that having your preamp at a high volume setting blew your tweets out. Since your preamp was the final component in line before your power amp, it really doesn't matter what device (Oppo in your case, but it could have been any component) produced an audible frequency at max preamp out voltage levels (in your case pink/white noise). Since you were using a dedicated preamp, your Oppo's volume should have been set to 100 max (fixed) anyway. Having your preamp's volume at a very high level blew your tweets out, not the Oppo. This is just my unbiased opinion. Certainly Oppo needs to correct this bug when parsing hi-rez audio streams, but I also think you need to know what your max volume level on your preamp can be for safe operation of your speakers, regardless of any other source generated preamp voltage output levels. My integrated amp has the ability to save a max volume level for each of its inputs. It "does" make a difference if you have a preamp between your Oppo and power amps, unless your preamp has digitally controlled volume like the Oppo does, and unexpectedly outputs its max pre-out voltage to your power amp...passive volume control = human regulated volume.

Dan,
I'm trying to figure out your logic
Here's mine

1. Fact:: The Oppo created the white or Pink noise....Oppo support admits knowing this and vow's to fix it.in the next Firmware update
2. Fact: There was a preamp in line between the Oppo and the amps
3. Fact: The Preamp possesses an extremely low distortion measurement (0.0004%)...therefore what goes in pretty much comes out un-altered. in this case, GIGO- garbage in, garbage out
4.: The Preamp, an Emotiva XSP-1has a digitally controlled volume control, the Oppo was set to fixed.
5.: Yes we sometimes listen to music at loud volume levels. I was not pushing the amp to it's limits. Not even close. It was playing at a healthy (albeit, loud) volume level. Pink noise at even medium high levels can develop more heat than the speaker can rid itself of...But the fact remains........IT"S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE...........when listening to music.
6: Refer back to Facts #1 and #4

i really don't want to get into anything over this. But I think you don't know what you are talking about. Regardless, ..bursts of noise is an ARTIFACT created by the Oppo, When its not expected and is above a whisper....it will do damage.
post #5637 of 10176
Ramatam, Please help me to see better why you think I don't know what I'm talking about...lol. Listen, I know Oppo has got to fix this problem...you obviously weren't at fault for generating this pink noise, as you call it. However, you did push your speakers to its limits (obviously they got blown out). I don't know what max wattage your speakers/tweeters are rated for, and I'm assuming that your speakers and amp "will" operate perfectly at wattage extremes with each other.

I treat a burst of noise, as you call it, as any other type of generated sound (a loud peak of voltage generated out of your amp controlled by your preamp's volume setting), whether it's supposed to be in a recording or not. Obviously if you dont have a crossover network in your speakers, you can easily blow out a tweeter giving it a high wattage of low frequency waves. So you're saying that this "pink noise" is audibly different? Any audio frequency sent above your speakers allowable wattage will do damage....not just "pink noise". Sorry, I just disagree with your statements. I would have been much more sympathetic toward you if you had stated you were running your Oppo directly to your power amp when you blew out your speakers (you can't control when a bug in the Oppo decides to output audio at max voltage), but since you had the ability to manually control your voltage(your inline preamp), you have to take the blame for your blown out tweets.
I remember years ago a lady suing McDonalds because she burnt her skin/mouth when she drank her coffee she just purchased. She actually won that lawsuit, but further customers who have tried to sue McD have failed because McD's had to state that drinking hot coffee can hurt you on their cups..

So you're basically saying that anybody who plays this "pink noise" on their home systems will have blown out speakers? You're saying if it's above a whisper, you will do damage? This just can't be true....sorry I just can't believe that statement. "Too much current" blows out speakers, not "pink noise". I've read a few articles where pink noise, played continuously at listening levels is used to "burn-in" new speakers. Blame Oppo for generating the unwanted noise, but don't blame them for blowing out your speakers!! Would you blame someone else for a banana peel lying on the ground, making you fall and hurt yourself because "it wasn't supposed to be there", or would you take full responsibility for stepping on it? You sound like the type of person who would try to find out who left the banana peel on the ground and sue them rather than just admit, "I take responsibility".
Edited by DanF8500 - 5/23/13 at 4:31pm
post #5638 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

I hear too short of a cable will cause reflections, 6' is the minimum you want.

The guy who runs Lumagen told me in an email that "Don't buy less than 6 foot cables (they make the signal too hot).". He's pretty good at what he does, so he's likely to be correct.

But as another poster said, there's nothing in the standard that specifies a minimum cable length.
post #5639 of 10176
^ The problem with short HDMI cables has to do with the signal "equalization" the HDMI chips impose to try to make long cables work more reliably -- all part of the transition from older DVI cabling (which pretty much pooped out above 10 feet) to HDMI. The method of doing this changed over time with different version levels of HDMI chips -- basically getting fancier -- but all the methods have to start with some assumptions about the type of damage that will happen to the signal as it traverses the length of the cable. For short cables the assumptions are wrong. The sweet spot for the assumptions is about 6 feet. The practical result is that a short cable can cause the same sort of problems people might expect to see with a cable that is too long. The problems will likely be worse if different version levels of HDMI chip are at either end of the cable. Whether a short cable will ACTUALLY cause problems is as hard to predict as with a long cable. But generally speaking, if you can stick to single cable runs (no daisy chaining of cables) with 6 feet of cable between any two pieces of electronics then you sort of maximize the chances of it working.

Active cabling (like the Redmere stuff) is different because the electronics built into the cable can be set to know precisely the length of cable being used.
--Bob
post #5640 of 10176
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Ramatam, Please help me to see better why you think I don't know what I'm talking about...lol. Listen, I know Oppo has got to fix this problem...you obviously weren't at fault for generating this pink noise, as you call it. However, you did push your speakers to its limits (obviously they got blown out). I don't know what max wattage your speakers/tweeters are rated for, and I'm assuming that your speakers and amp "will" operate perfectly at wattage extremes with each other.

I treat a burst of noise, as you call it, as any other type of generated sound (a loud peak of voltage generated out of your amp controlled by your preamp's volume setting), whether it's supposed to be in a recording or not. Obviously if you dont have a crossover network in your speakers, you can easily blow out a tweeter giving it a high wattage of low frequency waves. So you're saying that this "pink noise" is audibly different? Any audio frequency sent above your speakers allowable wattage will do damage....not just "pink noise". Sorry, I just disagree with your statements. I would have been much more sympathetic toward you if you had stated you were running your Oppo directly to your power amp when you blew out your speakers (you can't control when a bug in the Oppo decides to output audio at max voltage), but since you had the ability to manually control your voltage(your inline preamp), you have to take the blame for your blown out tweets.
I remember years ago a lady suing McDonalds because she burnt her skin/mouth when she drank her coffee she just purchased. She actually won that lawsuit, but further customers who have tried to sue McD have failed because McD's had to state that drinking hot coffee can hurt you on their cups..

So you're basically saying that anybody who plays this "pink noise" on their home systems will have blown out speakers? You're saying if it's above a whisper, you will do damage? This just can't be true....sorry I just can't believe that statement. "Too much current" blows out speakers, not "pink noise". I've read a few articles where pink noise, played continuously at listening levels is used to "burn-in" new speakers. Blame Oppo for generating the unwanted noise, but don't blame them for blowing out your speakers!! Would you blame someone else for a banana peel lying on the ground, making you fall and hurt yourself because "it wasn't supposed to be there", or would you take full responsibility for stepping on it? You sound like the type of person who would try to find out who left the banana peel on the ground and sue them rather than just admit, "I take responsibility".

 

Dan:

 

It is very possible and have heard it myself where you play your music at decent levels of about -20dB but then all over a sudden have a burst of noise due to a malfunction within your system of 0dB that could possible fry your speakers. Do you remember the 'DTS Bomb', a few years? It fried speakers and scared the heck out of listeners due to a bug within the encoder itself. This 'Bomb' exploded at such high levels that had nothing to do with the listening levels the user was at.

 

Now preamps outputs often have output voltages of 3V or higher. When  you are listening at low volume levels, its output level could be say 0.5V or less. Then a "bomb" explodes which peaks the output voltage to 3V or higher, clipping the output gain stages of the pre-amp for no apparent reason. These voltage levels are more than enough to drive your power amplifier to full wattage or more, if not into distortion...hence the scare that fries your speakers and jolts you into a momentary heart-attack.

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