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post #61 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Hikmer View Post

How does the analouge output between the 103 and the 105 compare? I am finding my outboard DAC to sound better than the 103 and was hoping somoene could compare the two. The bass in the 103 is a tad on the soft side compared to my outbard DAC. I was thinking of picking up the 105 and doing a side by side, then retrun the 103 if I find it worth the extra $700+ dollars. Can you providse any of your findings?

Check to make sure you have the Subwoofer output properly calibrated in your 103. If you have all speakers set to Large (or OFF) the Subwoofer output of the 103 needs +10dB boost external to the player to match the other multi-channel Analog output channels.

If any speakers are set to Small the Subwoofer output of the 103 needs +15dB boost external to the player to accomplish the same thing.

I recommend using a calibration disc to check this, such as the LPCM test tracks from AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray. Note that if your room has typical amounts of Room Gain, the SPL of the Subwoofer test tone will typically measure 2-4dB SPL hotter than the other channels when it is set "correctly" -- "C" weighting, slow response on the meter.
--Bob
post #62 of 10067
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

What's the direction of the error? Audio ahead of video (audio needs delay) or audio behind video (audio already has too much delay)?
--Bob

Audio is behind the video. Even disc play is off but only by a bit, enough to be annoying as opposed to virtually unusable with ARC/Toslink feed. This is using the using the Stereo Outs w/stereo downmix directly driving the power amp.

Please shoot OPPO tech support an email with the configuration you are using that demonstrates the problem. Do mention that the same sort of thing worked OK when using the Outlaw, so they know your TV is putting out stuff with proper sync at its outputs.
--Bob
post #63 of 10067
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Originally Posted by OtherSongs View Post

Nice 1st post to kick off this "Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread" I applaud your above comment of "I want to keep this thread more about the quality of the player, and less about software/firmware issues." IMO you might consider putting these words near the start of the 1st post.

Great so how does it sound I am sitting on the side line even so I received a pre-invitation, dose it sound better than the BDP-95?
post #64 of 10067
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Originally Posted by tomcrown1 View Post

Is it just me? The bass in the 105 sounds a lot more tighter then the 95. It has a more real world sound to it. The bass in the 95 always sounded like a big boom box. The picture is also better I have noticed a more flim like texture to the picture. This may be due to the better transport in the 105 as compared to the 95.

What is your system?
post #65 of 10067
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Hmm...I haven't tried this yet, but to make sure I am clear. You are playing "stereo" music and are finding a difference on the dedicated stereo outputs if they are set to downmix vs Front L/R?? If so there is something wrong (firmware) that needs to be fixed. There should be absolutely no difference with that setting for the dedicated stereo output when listening to stereo music. If you have a crossover set and speakers set to small I am guessing that may influence things. In my case though all speakers are set to large, all at default output level and default distance. Therefore there should be absolutely no difference....


I believe audiofan1 stated this was the case by down mixing the "FL & FR" of the MCH outputs, not the "dedicated" stereo outputs...
post #66 of 10067
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Originally Posted by vlach View Post

I believe audiofan1 stated this was the case by down mixing the "FL & FR" of the MCH outputs, not the "dedicated" stereo outputs...

I await clarification then. I assumed he meant the setting for the dedicated stereo outputs which can either be "Downmix" or "Front L/R".
post #67 of 10067
Thread Starter 
If you are using the Front Left and Right outputs of the BDP-95 then you are using a non-stacked DAC configuration as these outputs are one DAC-channel per output-channel. DownMix has no affect on the stacking as this is a hardware, not software configuration.

On the BDP-95 when you are using the dedicated stereo or XLR outputs, regardless of the Stereo Signal (Audio Processing) setting, the player is using four DAC-channels per output-channel. These outputs are always DAC stacked.

On the BDP-105 you are getting one-DAC channel per output-channel regardless of the output, except for the headphone output, which is two DAC-channels per output-channel.
post #68 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post

Today, I plugged in my Denon AH-D5000 headphones and used them with the 105. These cans are much easier to drive and results were, as expected, very good. Plenty of volume and room to go higher.

I did a similar test with my Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 600 ohm phones. The BDP-105 had no problem driving these to high levels.

I am starting to think the sound quality of the head amp, at least to my tastes, is better than my Lavry DA10. The detail is winning me over.
post #69 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If you are using the Front Left and Right outputs of the BDP-95 then you are using a non-stacked DAC configuration as these outputs are one DAC-channel per output-channel. DownMix has no affect on the stacking as this is a hardware, not software configuration.
On the BDP-95 when you are using the dedicated stereo or XLR outputs, regardless of the Stereo Signal (Audio Processing) setting, the player is using four DAC-channels per output-channel. These outputs are always DAC stacked.
On the BDP-105 you are getting one-DAC channel per output-channel regardless of the output, except for the headphone output, which is two DAC-channels per output-channel.

So is there a SQ benefit to set the FL + FR channels to downmix for stereo 2.0 material? An earlier poster said he heard more fullness/body using the 95 that way...
post #70 of 10067
So I ordered a 105 a couple of days ago and I need some recommendations on how to handle digital audio from my PC Laptop. I don't know much about networks and servers but I want to use a large (2 Terabit) external drive to keep my music library on. Currently I have a wireless router with 4 x 10/100Mbit ethernet ports. I'm not sure if upgrading my router to 1G Ethernet capability will be of any benefit since it seems the Oppo is limied to 10/100 BaseT.

What is the best way to connect the Oppo? There seem to be many options and, since I'm new to the digital audio game, I'm not sure what the best options are:

1. I could connect the external hard drive to the PC (or Mac Mini if I decide to dedicate something tobeing a music server) and output via USB to the Oppo and use JRiver's (PC) remote software to control playback.

2. I could connect the Oppo to the router via ethernet (hardwired or wirelessly?) and then the Oppo can locate the music on the hard drive. Does this mean the hard drive would have to be a NAS set up on the same network the Oppo is connected to or would I connect the hard drive to the Oppo using USB?? At this point I believe I would need to use the Oppo menu system (on my TV) to locate and play music until they release a remote app, right?

From what I have learned so far, my plan is to use dbPoweramp to rip my CDs into FLAC format and store them on a large hard drive, then use JRiver to manage the library and download high res files from HDTracks, etc.

If someone has some recommendations on what computer hardware I need to make the best use of the 105, I would appreciate it.

What is the best type of hard drive and best connection methodology to the PC/Network/Oppo (NAS, Firewire, 1G Ethernet, USB)? Would somehting like this work:

http://www.synology.com/products/spec.php?product_name=DS411slim&lang=us#p_submenu

Does it need to be DNLA certified? Would having a DNLA wireless router like this be of any benefit?

http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/Routers/Linksys-EA6500-App-Enabled-AC-Dual-Band-Wireless-Router-with-Gigabit_stcVVproductId148919965VVviewprod.htm

It seems like there is a lot of talk about upgrading PCs/Macs so that they provide superior low noise/jitter USB outputs to connect to outboard DACs. Does this come into play when using the Oppo's DAC? Would the low noise PC/Mac USB matter if I was using an outboard DAC connected to the Oppo via HDMI (I2S) with the Oppo acting as the music server?

I would appreciate any guidance!

Thanks
post #71 of 10067
Received my 105 this afternon hooked it up and made sure HDMI and XLR were connected and functioning properly into the Classe SSP-800. I quickly compared HDMI to XLR and noticed some small sonic differences. Both connections have a wide soundstage in my system! I was correct in my assumption that the Oppo could replace my Ayre CX-7e as a CD player. Using the same interconnects and power cable used on the Ayre unit. Too early to begin serious listening I will have more time tomorrow to play with the Oppo. This is my first Oppo player, very impressive build of the player.
post #72 of 10067
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Franchot:

Thanx so much for taking the time to review the headphone amp of the 105. It seems my fears about the power of the headphone amp have been realized and they can't increase the power w/o changing a capacitor somewhere on the 2Ch board. I can imagine modders charging $100 to change a cap:cool: !

- David

David,

I don't want to give the impression that the 105 (with its power that's available) isn't capable of driving the Audeze headphones. It can, however there's little gas left in the tank during the journey.

I did some listening today with some remastered rock CDs (which are almost always remastered to sound louder) and the 105 stayed at a volume of 85 and the results were very satisfying. I'm not sure how "quieter" or classical music will fare with this combo, however.

Depending upon your tastes, the 105 (as is) might work for you. You already know about the 30 day money back guarantee, I'm sure.
post #73 of 10067
So I'm a little confused with all this 'analog' and 'dedicated' stuff. I mean, I know where the connections are and all. I'm just not sure what if any settings in the setup menu affect the dedicated xlr or rca outs??.

I plan to send the xlr outs to my processor for cd's and stereo sacd music and leave the bass management to the processor. I want the signal sent out unaltered in stereo. So what setting should I use?? Is the ' Down mix' setting just for multi channel sacd and dvd-a recordings??
If you set the 105 to 'FR/FL' would it only play those 2 channels of a multi-channel sacd??

Do any of the settings affect the dedicated analog out's??

I read the manual, but it really needs to have a clearer description for the dedicated stereo outs vs the multi-channel analog outs settings.
Maybe its just me. If so would someone please enlighten me.

Tom

Edit-- Ok I just re-read the note on pg 16 of the manual. Apparently none of the settings in the Audio setup menu affect the dedicated stereo analog outs. Is that correct??
Edited by tngiloy - 11/17/12 at 6:05pm
post #74 of 10067
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Do you guys use the 95's FL/FR option in the audio setup? if so set it to downmix and there will be more detail and tighter bass, If you guys would check this out that would be great:)


I assume this was using 2.0 stereo material correct? If so, and if there is indeed an improvement, it would be very interesting to compare the downmixed FL + FR outputs to the dedicated stereo outputs...
post #75 of 10067
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

Audio is behind the video. Even disc play is off but only by a bit, enough to be annoying as opposed to virtually unusable with ARC/Toslink feed. This is using the using the Stereo Outs w/stereo downmix directly driving the power amp.

This is a known issue (and much more) and was reported to Oppo. I was very surprised that Oppo released a $1200.00 with current FW.
post #76 of 10067
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by vlach View Post

So is there a SQ benefit to set the FL + FR channels to downmix for stereo 2.0 material? An earlier poster said he heard more fullness/body using the 95 that way...

There shouldn't be. What I was trying to point out is that if you wanted to attempt to "emulate" the performance of the dedicated stereo outputs of the BDP-105, you can use the Front Left and Right analog outputs of the BDP-95 and set the DownMix to stereo.
post #77 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

This is a known issue (and much more) and was reported to Oppo. I was very surprised that Oppo released a $1200.00 with current FW.

To be clear, when issues of Reverse A/V synch (audio and video synchronization errors were the audio is BEHIND the video) only apply to the HDMI inputs. Under most installations this issue will not be witnessed and there are obvious workarounds (ie. connecting back to the original configuration and waiting for a firmware release)

As far as standard A/V synch issues are concerned, they seem to be very specific to the customer's installation. As you have read in the BDP-103 threads not everyone is having audio and video synchronization errors, which includes OPPO themselves and many of the beta testers. therefore, it is very likely that the majority of OPPO's customers will not have issues, while a small (but important) minority will need to use Audio Delay's in their receivers or wait for a future firmware release.
Edited by Neuromancer - 11/17/12 at 6:49pm
post #78 of 10067
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

I want the signal sent out unaltered in stereo. So what setting should I use?? Is the ' Down mix' setting just for multi channel sacd and dvd-a recordings??

The Stereo Signal Down-mix setting affects how the dedicated stereo and XLR outputs are treated. The Down-mix setting under Speaker Configuration only affects the multi-channel analog outputs.
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If you set the 105 to 'FR/FL' would it only play those 2 channels of a multi-channel sacd??

Yes. When set to Stereo Signal of Front Left/Right the player will only be outputting Total Left and Total Right. Any other channels will be lost.

The same will also be true with SACD set to DSD and you are playing a multi-channel only SACD.
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Do any of the settings affect the dedicated analog out's??

When Stereo Signal is set to Front Left/Right then the Speaker Configuration settings will affect the dedicated stereo and XLR outputs. If you have it set to Down-mixed Stereo then no other settings except for the SACD (Audio Processing) will affect these outputs.
post #79 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

No, this is NOT a known issue. What you are talking about as being "known issue" is audio and video synchronization errors were the audio is AHEAD of the video, not behind it. This reverse A/V sync is not a known issue.
And as far as the A/V synch issues are concerned, they are either universal (HDMI Inputs) or seem to be very specific to the customers installation. As you have read in the BDP-103 threads not everyone is having audio and video synchronization errors, which includes OPPO themselves and many of the beta testers.

After my discussion with Oppo's tech support on AV sync, I was told that It had been reported. What I do know that this issue is there with my 83se or with the 95.
post #80 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If you are using the Front Left and Right outputs of the BDP-95 then you are using a non-stacked DAC configuration as these outputs are one DAC-channel per output-channel. DownMix has no affect on the stacking as this is a hardware, not software configuration.
On the BDP-95 when you are using the dedicated stereo or XLR outputs, regardless of the Stereo Signal (Audio Processing) setting, the player is using four DAC-channels per output-channel. These outputs are always DAC stacked.
On the BDP-105 you are getting one-DAC channel per output-channel regardless of the output, except for the headphone output, which is two DAC-channels per output-channel.

So the question remains does it sound better?
post #81 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

This is a known issue (and much more) and was reported to Oppo. I was very surprised that Oppo released a $1200.00 with current FW.

Surprising, they might be getting too big ;(
post #82 of 10067
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So the question remains does it sound better?
You guys got me a wonderin so I spent a good three hours plus this evening dinkin around with my 95 and the downmix vs front left and right settings related to the dedicated stereo outs. I played numerous CDs through my equipment which consists of a Parasound halo pre-pro and halo amplifier fed to PSB speakers, I could hear no difference what-so-ever. As is usually the case.......YMMV.

As I understand it, the function of the "downmix" option is to allow one to play a multi-channel format and have it downmixed to stereo which allows those with a 2 channel setup to still be able to hear all the channels from a multichannel source. Logic would dictate that if you are playing 2 channel media, it wouldn't make any difference whether you set the player to "downmix" or FL/FR stereo because the source is 2 channel so there's really nothing to downmix.

Please jump in and correct me if I'm mistaken.
Edited by Torqdog - 11/18/12 at 12:08am
post #83 of 10067
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

Actually, after more time with the unit, it seems with a disc that the audio may be slightly ahead of the video - it's off but so close it's hard to tell (not like using mplayer on a pc and being able to adjust the delay so you know exactly what's happening). However with ARC/Toslink the audio is clearly way behind the video.

Found another gotcha as well: was watching a DVD that went into screen saver mode which left a bright vertical line down the right side of the screen. Would certainly lead to image retention if not burn in.

The Screen Saver glitch with SD-DVD is a known issue in the 1018 firmware. That will be addressed in a firmware update. As a workaround, Pure Mode (Pure button on the upper left of the remote) is a way to blank the entire screen.

Audio ahead of video by a small amount for shiny disc playback matches my results with the 1018 firmware. Not everyone is seeing this.

Audio behind (external) video for the S/PDIF and ARC Digital Audio Inputs would be consistent with the known problem with HDMI Input audio, but I'm not set up to test that for audio input separate of video input (i.e., your precise configuration).

The Audio / Video sync issues are being worked on.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 11/17/12 at 10:46pm
post #84 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Received my 105 this afternon hooked it up and made sure HDMI and XLR were connected and functioning properly into the Classe SSP-800. I quickly compared HDMI to XLR and noticed some small sonic differences. Both connections have a wide soundstage in my system! I was correct in my assumption that the Oppo could replace my Ayre CX-7e as a CD player. Using the same interconnects and power cable used on the Ayre unit. Too early to begin serious listening I will have more time tomorrow to play with the Oppo. This is my first Oppo player, very impressive build of the player.

I have an SSP-800 as well so I am curious about your findings! What speakers and amps do you have?
post #85 of 10067
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I have an SSP-800 as well so I am curious about your findings! What speakers and amps do you have?

Wilson speakers and Levinson amplifiers.
Edited by Sharp1080 - 11/18/12 at 12:50am
post #86 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Audio / Video sync issues are being worked on.
--Bob


That is good to know because I had a serious WTF moment a few hours ago when I put in the my first Blu Ray which was Watchmen. There was some serious lip synch issues happening with that movie. It was totally unwatchable. I also tried the new Star Trek movie and it appeared to be more in synch both the video and audio. Definitely not as bad as Watchmen. I have not tried any other discs besides those two.
post #87 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

You guys got me a wonderin so I spent a good three hours plus this evening dinkin around with my 95 and the downmix vs front left and right settings related to the dedicated stereo outs. I played numerous CDs through my equipment which consists of a Parasound halo pre-pro and halo amplifier fed to PSB speakers, I could here no difference what-so-ever. As is usually the case.......YMMV.
As I understand it, the function of the "downmix" option is to allow one to play a multi-channel format and have it downmixed to stereo which allows those with a 2 channel setup to still be able to hear all the channels from a multichannel source. Logic would dictate that if you are playing 2 channel media, it wouldn't make any difference whether you set the player to "downmix" or FL/FR stereo because the source is 2 channel so there's really nothing to downmix.
Please jump in and correct me if I'm mistaken.


Thank you for spending the time to verify this. Your results make sense and your explanation seems perfectly logical to me.
post #88 of 10067
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Originally Posted by vlach View Post

I assume this was using 2.0 stereo material correct? If so, and if there is indeed an improvement, it would be very interesting to compare the downmixed FL + FR outputs to the dedicated stereo outputs...

Indeed it was stereo but keep in mind that the FR/FL option when using the dedicated stereo outs for your main speakers( rca) keeps the quad stack for multi ch as well on your mains!
post #89 of 10067
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

You guys got me a wonderin so I spent a good three hours plus this evening dinkin around with my 95 and the downmix vs front left and right settings related to the dedicated stereo outs. I played numerous CDs through my equipment which consists of a Parasound halo pre-pro and halo amplifier fed to PSB speakers, I could hear no difference what-so-ever. As is usually the case.......YMMV.
As I understand it, the function of the "downmix" option is to allow one to play a multi-channel format and have it downmixed to stereo which allows those with a 2 channel setup to still be able to hear all the channels from a multichannel source. Logic would dictate that if you are playing 2 channel media, it wouldn't make any difference whether you set the player to "downmix" or FL/FR stereo because the source is 2 channel so there's really nothing to downmix.
Please jump in and correct me if I'm mistaken.

Correct!
post #90 of 10067
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Originally Posted by delkat View Post

So I ordered a 105 a couple of days ago and I need some recommendations on how to handle digital audio from my PC Laptop. I don't know much about networks and servers but I want to use a large (2 Terabit) external drive to keep my music library on.

What is the best way to connect the Oppo? There seem to be many options and, since I'm new to the digital audio game, I'm not sure what the best options are:
1. I could connect the external hard drive to the PC (or Mac Mini if I decide to dedicate something tobeing a music server) and output via USB to the Oppo and use JRiver's (PC) remote software to control playback.
2. I could connect the Oppo to the router via ethernet (hardwired or wirelessly?) and then the Oppo can locate the music on the hard drive. Does this mean the hard drive would have to be a NAS set up on the same network the

This to much OT to discuss all your questions. The specialists are on computeraudiophile.com:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/section/ca-academy-2/

A few things though.
Rule number one: provide back-up. It's not the question if the HD will ever fail, but when. Been there. Sucks, even if I lost only a month worth of downloads and rips.
It's up to you to decide between Apple and PC. This choice will determine all the rest. I have a Mac mini with monitor and 3TB Iomega HD connected with USB. Then the Weiss DAC2 is connected via FireWire and without preamp straight to two Emotiva XPA-1 powering a pair of Jamo 909. I'd say a PC system will probably be more straightforward to setup with the BDP105 if you decide to use a NAS.
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