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post #6421 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Jmen7 View Post

After skimming through the various entries from this thread, in addition to the "sound check" thread, I am trying to understand which method would be better to get the best analog stereo from OPPO 105, particularly whether I should use the unbalanced RCAs or utilize the FL/FR connections via the MCH 7.1 analog connections.

The RCAs will be connected from the Oppo through the pre-amp inputs in my Pioneer Elite SC-65 and then out to my speakers. The Pioneer has a DIRECT setting that will pass through signals but tweak them to adjust for room correction; the PURE DIRECT setting will not tweak anything.

I have a pair of decent sounding Aperion Verus grand tower speakers that are part of a larger 9.2 home theater set up. Although I would ideally like to use the 7.1 analogs from the OPPO to benefit the SACDs I have, the Pioneer does not have them. As a result, I am planning on just using the stereo outs for music (to the two towers) and the HDMI out for the home theater events (blu ray, etc.).

I'd like to thank all who have provided input on this issue so far in this thread (hat tip to Bob), and appreciate your time in helping me figure out which path to follow.
The analog board used for the dedicated stereo outputs is better than the analog board used for the MCH outputs, so in your application I would use the dedicated stereo outputs.
post #6422 of 10176
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....the PURE DIRECT setting will not tweak anything.
But you can still control the volume of your music in PD mode, right? So, it's not a 100%, tweak free bypass. In your setup you described, however, you have no choice since you don't have a dedicated power amp....you must send the preamp out signals of the Oppo into your Pioneer's preamp-ins. Is there a way to completely bypass your Pioneer's preamp circuitry? I have a Mark Levinson integrated amp, and to bypass its preamp circuitry, I select its "SSP" (surround sound processor) mode, which defeats the ML's volume and goes to a fixed gain for that input selection. The Oppo then becomes the only preamp that will control the volume/voltage of the audio signal direct to the power amp circuitry of my integrated.
Edited by DanF8500 - 7/26/13 at 11:44am
post #6423 of 10176
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

Yikes! Thanks for the input. I'd definitely buy them from a dealer with a good return policy. My Stax phones sound great, but I'm looking for a pair of sealed phones that come close to their transparency and detail. Are there any others that would work well with the 105 that meet that criteria?
My grado sr60s sounded quite good through the 105, but they certainly aren't on the same comparing ground as electrostatics. I also tried them with a pair of cheap senheisers that work well with my iPod. They sounded anemic through the 105.
post #6424 of 10176
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Originally Posted by detroit1 View Post

The new firmware is good but I would like to ask others if they agree with me on this

when you press info, I would like to see the name of the file and the resolution

I don't care about the bit rate as it is not accurate and not relevant

all other media players show the name and resolution

the other things the Oppo shows are ok such as time, type of audio

If they could add the name and resolution that would make the media player complete

What would make it "complete" for me is gapless audio file playback without the need for cue sheets. smile.gif

But, on their Facebook page they say both gapless and branching cue sheets are currently "being investigated"

BTW, I know they didn't state this (at least I don't think they did) but the firmware didn't only add ALAC support, but it also added AAC support, which seemed pretty obvious, but who knows with these things? I tried both file formats, and they both worked. I did get two issues so far with this new firmware, and that is the player locking up -- once just from inserting a Blu-ray Disc, which forced me to power off/on and once from simply browsing through files from an NAS, another case where I had to power off/on.
post #6425 of 10176
Hello All,
I haven't been on the board in a very long time but I now have some time (and a little bit of money) to invest in my A/V hobby again. I currently have NHT Speakers all around with VT-2's up front (old school) in a 9.2 configuration. My receiver is a Yamaha Z-11 (Vintage 2009) but I just updated it to the latest software revision (N0145) which isn't really very new (2010, I think). I also just had an older Velodyne sub go south on me a couple months ago and after doing some research I purchased a pair of SVS PB12 plus's. (I like them a lot)! My BDP is an older Sony S560 and it started to flake out recently. I guess my equipment is getting some age on it and I'm beginning to have problems. That's a perfect reason to upgrade! At any rate, I decided to get the 105 after reading many, many reviews and spending a great deal of time on this forum learning from Bob and others. It is due to arrive via UPS on Monday. I want to experiment with the 7.1 analog outs and to be sure, use the front left & right stereo outs ILO the MCH ones. I've seen cables discussed somewhat and I was going to go with Monoprice, but for my purposes, I think I need 7 or 8 separate RCA cables in a four foot length to take full advantage of the 7.1 the 105 is capable of. I'm looking for analog cable recommendations from you guys. Also, can i somehow use both subs with the 105 and if so, what would be the recommended configuration? Thanks a million for your time and any advice you are able to offer. Until recently, I have mostly been into Blu-Ray movie watching but I now want to get into audio again, so I guess that means my next upgrade might be Amp(s). I know I need newer speakers too as the NHT (mains) were purchased in 1996!

With Best Regards,

Rob
post #6426 of 10176
I have always liked the Blue Jeans Cable audio cables. They are available in many lengths, are flexible, offer nice tight fits and are color-coded. They are probably no better than Monoprice cables sonically but in my experience are a little better built and more likely to last a long, long time. They are not that much more expensive than Monoprice cables.
post #6427 of 10176
The new firmware is certainly a help, but the horrible NAS file sorting is killing me. I spoke with Oppo tech support and they confirmed it is a bug on their side. Brief summary...When mounting a SMB share, there seems to be no sense to the way both directories and files contained within them are sorted. Obviously with large libraries, this become a huge drag. One can't even simply play a given album with the songs in order.

I know...DNLA cures this...except DNLA does not support DSD files. Too bad cause the dff files sound awfully nice on the Oppo.

Any suggestions at this point other than more patience?
post #6428 of 10176
^ The problem as I understand it is that the OPPO is NOT sorting the SMB input. It is just displaying it as it comes in from the SMB.

Bill has posted here about a settings change in Windows that enables sorting in its SMB server, so that the OPPO sees and displays the lists already sorted. I forget the details, but perhaps it is in his FAQ (see the link at the top of the first post of this thread).

Whether a similar settings change is available in your particular SMB server I wouldn't know.
--Bob
post #6429 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ The problem as I understand it is that the OPPO is NOT sorting the SMB input. It is just displaying it as it comes in from the SMB.

Bill has posted here about a settings change in Windows that enables sorting in its SMB server, so that the OPPO sees and displays the lists already sorted. I forget the details, but perhaps it is in his FAQ (see the link at the top of the first post of this thread).

Whether a similar settings change is available in your particular SMB server I wouldn't know.
--Bob

Yeh..No luck. I am using a Seagate Central, not a regular PC.

Thnx fer the suggestion though!
post #6430 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ The problem as I understand it is that the OPPO is NOT sorting the SMB input. It is just displaying it as it comes in from the SMB.

Bill has posted here about a settings change in Windows that enables sorting in its SMB server, so that the OPPO sees and displays the lists already sorted. I forget the details, but perhaps it is in his FAQ (see the link at the top of the first post of this thread).

Whether a similar settings change is available in your particular SMB server I wouldn't know.
--Bob

It's a setting for Samba servers. Search this thread for "vfs objects = dirsort".

-Bill
post #6431 of 10176
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Originally Posted by bklynhowie View Post

The new firmware is certainly a help, but the horrible NAS file sorting is killing me........Any suggestions at this point other than more patience?

Patience oh great one!
post #6432 of 10176
Thanks JazzGuyy,
I'll look at the Blue Jeans cables. I did the "On-Line Chat" with Monoprice and they really don't have a "set" of analog cables that will work for me, so I would need to buy separates, which is do-able, I guess but I'd rather buy a set and hopefully get a better price as a result, if that is at all possible.

Best Regards,

Rob
post #6433 of 10176
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

It's a setting for Samba servers. Search this thread for "vfs objects = dirsort".

-Bill

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ The problem as I understand it is that the OPPO is NOT sorting the SMB input. It is just displaying it as it comes in from the SMB.

Bill has posted here about a settings change in Windows that enables sorting in its SMB server, so that the OPPO sees and displays the lists already sorted. I forget the details, but perhaps it is in his FAQ (see the link at the top of the first post of this thread).

Whether a similar settings change is available in your particular SMB server I wouldn't know.
--Bob
The Samba configuration file, smb.conf (where "vfs objects = dirsort" needs to be added) doesn't exist for Windows os. I think it's a Mac OS X or Linux file. But I did read that adding that line in smb.conf works for Synology DSM4.2 smb sorting. Oh well.... My sentiments are the same as Bklynhowie's with regards to smb shares sorting. I just wish Oppo would correct this....life would be so much easier looking for my audio files, and playing them as they should be played (in numbered order as on a CD).
Edited by DanF8500 - 7/27/13 at 8:27am
post #6434 of 10176

new firmware

Has anyone noticed any changes after installing oppo 105's new firmware upgrade. Seems like my picture is a little darker. They also recommend resetting all your settings after the upgrade.
post #6435 of 10176
Searched the thread but could not find an answer.

New 105 owner, have my PC hooked up to HDMI in for audio from OTA TV, serviio running on my PC....while watching .mkv rips served to the 105, there is a stutter every 1.5-2 minutes which is distracting. No stutter if played on the pc. Media streaming is turned off on the PC, 1080p24 is auto on the 105, resolution on auto, 105 hooked via HDMI 1 (tried 2 as well) to TV, HDMI audio off (audio goes out analog 7.1).

Movie Info:
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x536 24fps [English (Video 1)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch [English (Audio 1)]

Anyone else deal with this issue of .mkv stutter?
post #6436 of 10176
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Originally Posted by gist View Post

Has anyone noticed any changes after installing oppo 105's new firmware upgrade. Seems like my picture is a little darker. They also recommend resetting all your settings after the upgrade.

They recomment doing a Factory Default Reset. Is this what you did, or did you individually reset all your settings?

If you did a factory reset, did you have any picture or display settings that you haven't restored to your original preferences?
post #6437 of 10176
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post
The file, smb.conf (where "vfs objects = dirsort" needs to be added) doesn't exist for Windows os. I think it's a Mac OS X or Linux file. But I did read that adding that line in smb.conf works for Synology DSM4.2 smb sorting. Oh well.... My sentiments are the same as Bklynhowie's with regards to smb shares sorting. I just wish Oppo would correct this....life would be so much easier looking for my audio files, and playing them as they should be played (in numbered order as on a CD).

How about the Windows file ich9smb.inf?  Would it have an effect there?

post #6438 of 10176
^ Don't believe so. That's a hardware driver and the SMB stands for System Management Bus not Samba.
post #6439 of 10176
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

^ Don't believe so. That's a hardware driver and the SMB stands for System Management Bus not Samba.

Thanks.  Took a shot.  Any chance there is a relevant .inf file?

post #6440 of 10176
This is probably a stupid question, but...would a 103 work any DAC magic on an analog input, say from an airport express? I'm guessing not since its a DAC and not an analog to analog converter. What about Hdmi input, say from an Apple TV? Otherwise, I'm guessing I'd need a 105 for its optical input if using the optical out from an airport?
post #6441 of 10176
^ Neither the 103 or 105 have analog inputs.
post #6442 of 10176
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

This is probably a stupid question, but...would a 103 work any DAC magic on an analog input, say from an airport express? I'm guessing not since its a DAC and not an analog to analog converter. What about Hdmi input, say from an Apple TV? Otherwise, I'm guessing I'd need a 105 for its optical input if using the optical out from an airport?

There are no Analog audio INPUTS on either the 103 or 105. If you want to play audio through the 103/105 you need to hook up a digital audio connection from the audio source. The 105 has more types of digital audio Input than the 103.
--Bob
post #6443 of 10176
I was right, it was a stupid question. Especially since I'd already read about the lack of analog inputs and just forgot :/ But audio over Hdmi goes through the DAC not just optical or coax? What about via preouts from an avr? Just trying to figure out how to get more out of my music. Interested in dacs (and a new bd player) and figured the 103/105's integrated one (I know they're different) would be a nice combo. Sorry, just new to this DAC stuff.
post #6444 of 10176
Preamp outputs from an AVR are analog outputs and are for connecting to external amplifiers so they are not relevant to the Oppos.
post #6445 of 10176
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

I was right, it was a stupid question. Especially since I'd already read about the lack of analog inputs and just forgot :/ But audio over Hdmi goes through the DAC not just optical or coax? What about via preouts from an avr? Just trying to figure out how to get more out of my music. Interested in dacs (and a new bd player) and figured the 103/105's integrated one (I know they're different) would be a nice combo. Sorry, just new to this DAC stuff.

I also have a 103 and an ATV3 and though we can route the ATV3 through the 103, the feedback i have gotten suggests the 103 cannot do much to what the ATV3 sends it???
post #6446 of 10176
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

I was right, it was a stupid question. Especially since I'd already read about the lack of analog inputs and just forgot :/ But audio over Hdmi goes through the DAC not just optical or coax? What about via preouts from an avr? Just trying to figure out how to get more out of my music. Interested in dacs (and a new bd player) and figured the 103/105's integrated one (I know they're different) would be a nice combo. Sorry, just new to this DAC stuff.

The DACs are "Digital to Analog Converters". ALL of the audio types the player plays -- whether from discs or hard drives or HDMI inputs or the Internet or your home network or whatever -- is Digital audio.

When you listen to the Analog audio outputs of the OPPO then its DACs are in use -- always -- as that's the only way to get an Analog audio signal out of the player.

When you listen to the Digital audio outputs of the OPPO (e.g., HDMI audio output or Optical/Coax "SPDIF" digital audio output), then its DACs are NOT in the signal path. (Digital and Analog outputs of the player are live at the same time, so even though the DACs are not in the signal path for the Digital audio output, they are still doing their job creating the Analog audio output.)

Your speakers are analog devices -- they take an analog audio signal as input. So long as you maintain a purely "analog" audio path from the Analog outputs of the OPPO through to your speakers then the *ONLY* DACs involved are the ones in the OPPO.

However, if you pass the Analog output of the OPPO through a higher end AVR or sound processor, it may offer the ability to "re-digitize" that Analog audio input -- a necessary step before it can "process" that audio in various ways to implement its audio features, such as speaker configuration management, room correction, or surround sound processing. If you do let the AVR re-digitize the Analog audio input from the OPPO, then that now-once-again-digital audio has to be converted BACK to Analog for output to your power amps and speakers. And THAT would be done using the DACs in the AVR.
--Bob
post #6447 of 10176
I am looking at buying the oppp 103 but, im an audiophile too and would like the 105. Would my only benefits of getting a 105 show only thru the analog outs or would there be some thru a hdmi output as well. I don't have any top shelf speakers like b&w or aerial, just some def techs and a denon 3803 paired to a emotive xpa-5. Any input appreciated.
post #6448 of 10176
^ Here's how OPPO describes the differences between the 103 and the 105 (from their Knowledge Base):

http://www.oppodigital.com/KnowledgeBase.aspx?KBID=37

--Bob
post #6449 of 10176
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Here's how OPPO describes the differences between the 103 and the 105 (from their Knowledge Base):

http://www.oppodigital.com/KnowledgeBase.aspx?KBID=37

--Bob
Yeah, I saw this, just was wondering if this was all of the differences. I have researched both pretty well. I did notice they both have cinavia on them like the ps3, I couldn't stand that on the ps3.
post #6450 of 10176
The write up from OPPO is a fair and complete description. The 103/105 really are identical as regards HDMI audio/video for example.

Cinavia detection is a function now required by licensing, and confirmed by certification testing, for all new Blu-ray players. The concern about it seems pretty overblown to me considering the limited number of titles that actually use it.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 7/27/13 at 10:56pm
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