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post #6751 of 10063
A new version of Oppo's ios based Media Control HD app just became available.....It's the second piece of the puzzle I've been waiting for from Oppo!! Thank You! Now I can listen to my music with my 51" plasma tv and my computer turned "OFF". All I need is my iPad to select my music from my NAS. I see lower electricity bills in my near future!! LOL!

I just noticed an anomaly with the track # on the 105's front display. It's not matching the real track order that's depicted in the MediaControl app...hmm I'm sure the next release will resolve that...no biggie.
Edited by DanF8500 - 8/15/13 at 11:22pm
post #6752 of 10063
Have any of you had this issue?

I currently have my 105 plugged into my TV (Panasonic plasma) via HDMI 1 and the m-ch analog outs connected directly to my amp. I occasionally lose all sound, and I attributed it to my Marantz AV 8801 preamp, which I sent out for repair. While it has been gone, I still lose all audio, so clearly the 8801wasn't the problem! I have a Tivo unit plugged in the rear HDMI input. It tends to lose sound when it's been idle for a few minutes. To restore sound, I either have to shut off the 105 or switch the input from HDMI in Back to Blu-ray, then back to HDMI. It doesn't seem to happen when I listen to music, so it makes me think there is some strange HDMI interaction.

The above is a portion of an email I just sent Oppo--thought maybe someone here might have experienced the same problem. I'm a little ticked that I needlessly (I think) mailed my Marantz out for repair! I assumed there was something wrong with it since audio was restored if I turned it off and back on again. Since that would temporarily break the HDMI connection, there must be something going on there, and with the Marantz out of the system, it certainly wasn't the problem! Grr...

Edit: On second thought, I have lost audio when listening to music: when I made some adjustments to the Audyssey settings in my Marantz I lost audio--that's what led me to think it was the Marantz that had a problem.
Edited by bwv1080 - 8/16/13 at 12:15am
post #6753 of 10063
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

Have any of you had this issue?

......

Edit: On second thought, I have lost audio when listening to music: when I made some adjustments to the Audyssey settings in my Marantz I lost audio--that's what led me to think it was the Marantz that had a problem.

My money is on the TIVO. Try plugging the TIVO directily into one of the TV's HDMI ports for both vision and sound for a day or two (put up with the TV speakers), and only use the Oppo for music. See if you still have sound cessation then, when playing music. Does the TIVO have a power-save mode whereby it might power down when not in use for a while, thus activating an unnecessary HDMI handshake? Do you leave the TIVO on, even when not in use, or on standby?

You didn't say where your music is coming from: attached hard drive, network (is so, wireless or cable connnection?), media player, only using cds???
post #6754 of 10063
I can't get the Oppo to play audio via the USB-ports from an iMac.

This works:

When I connect a HDD on the front USB-port I can play video and audio-files.

When I connect the iMac to an USB-port from my pre-amp and see it in the sound-menu of the iMac and after selecting it I can hear music.

I also can choose in the sound-menu of the iMac the Apple tv as a receiver and it works.


But this doesn't:

So why can't I get a connection with the Oppo (front USB and back USB-DAC)?
Of course I try to select: 'Please set "System Preferences -> Sound -> Output" to "OPPO USB Audio Device 2.0".
but the Oppo isn't even mentioned. (Plugging - unplugging - plugging wan't help.)
It doesn't matter if I have chosen the USB-port for the input (Input - 8).
Just let me add that I use the latest Beta Fw.
Edited by Jurgen - 8/16/13 at 3:40am
post #6755 of 10063
Quote:
Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

Have any of you had this issue?

I currently have my 105 plugged into my TV (Panasonic plasma) via HDMI 1 and the m-ch analog outs connected directly to my amp. I occasionally lose all sound, and I attributed it to my Marantz AV 8801 preamp, which I sent out for repair. While it has been gone, I still lose all audio, so clearly the 8801wasn't the problem! I have a Tivo unit plugged in the rear HDMI input. It tends to lose sound when it's been idle for a few minutes. To restore sound, I either have to shut off the 105 or switch the input from HDMI in Back to Blu-ray, then back to HDMI. It doesn't seem to happen when I listen to music, so it makes me think there is some strange HDMI interaction.

The above is a portion of an email I just sent Oppo--thought maybe someone here might have experienced the same problem. I'm a little ticked that I needlessly (I think) mailed my Marantz out for repair! I assumed there was something wrong with it since audio was restored if I turned it off and back on again. Since that would temporarily break the HDMI connection, there must be something going on there, and with the Marantz out of the system, it certainly wasn't the problem! Grr...

Edit: On second thought, I have lost audio when listening to music: when I made some adjustments to the Audyssey settings in my Marantz I lost audio--that's what led me to think it was the Marantz that had a problem.


I get this as well. I'm not sure *exactly* what it is, but it seems like it's a "handshake" between a piece of equipment and the Oppo.

For example, it happens to me when I'm listening to CDs, and I turn on my projector. As the projector does the HDMI handshake, the Oppo drops the music for a second, then resumes. Same thing when I'm working on my HTPC - I wasplaying around in JRiver Media Center (still haven't figure it out) and while it was searching for media, it was causing dropouts on the Oppo. As soon as I stopped it from searching for media, the Oppo played fine. This dropout seems to happen both while streaming media, and listening to CD.
post #6756 of 10063
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

I just noticed an anomaly with the track # on the 105's front display. It's not matching the real track order that's depicted in the MediaControl app...hmm I'm sure the next release will resolve that...no biggie.
Same here. Another strange thing, the app seems to set the Oppo in "shuffle" mode (when playing music files from NAS). I still couldn`t manage the clean playback, beginning with track 01, 02, 03, ...
I guess I won`t remove the USB disk yet.
post #6757 of 10063
Thank you Darkphader,

I'm new to this world and many basic topics are not familiar to me.
I couldn't fully follow you when you spoke about bi-amp and gain control,
where could I read something to improve my know how on these topics?
At the moment I'm looking at:
- audiolab 8200P
- Rotel 1552
Any opinion on these Amps?

Thanks,
regards,
Igor
post #6758 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Same here. Another strange thing, the app seems to set the Oppo in "shuffle" mode (when playing music files from NAS). I still couldn`t manage the clean playback, beginning with track 01, 02, 03, ...
I guess I won`t remove the USB disk yet.
It looks like a "shuffle" from the MediaControl app, but it's actually preserving some internal sequential order that is showing up on the 105's front panel...meaning the Oppo is sequentially counting some bogus track list in memory that doesn't coincide with the alphabetical/numerical sorting of the real track list.
post #6759 of 10063
The sorting feature....I have been complaining about this for a long time. Latest firmware beta fixes it nicely. I am very happy. Just figured I would give props as well as digs smile.gif
post #6760 of 10063
Quote:
Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

Have any of you had this issue?

I currently have my 105 plugged into my TV (Panasonic plasma) via HDMI 1 and the m-ch analog outs connected directly to my amp. I occasionally lose all sound, and I attributed it to my Marantz AV 8801 preamp, which I sent out for repair. While it has been gone, I still lose all audio, so clearly the 8801wasn't the problem! I have a Tivo unit plugged in the rear HDMI input. It tends to lose sound when it's been idle for a few minutes. To restore sound, I either have to shut off the 105 or switch the input from HDMI in Back to Blu-ray, then back to HDMI. It doesn't seem to happen when I listen to music, so it makes me think there is some strange HDMI interaction.

The above is a portion of an email I just sent Oppo--thought maybe someone here might have experienced the same problem. I'm a little ticked that I needlessly (I think) mailed my Marantz out for repair! I assumed there was something wrong with it since audio was restored if I turned it off and back on again. Since that would temporarily break the HDMI connection, there must be something going on there, and with the Marantz out of the system, it certainly wasn't the problem! Grr...

Edit: On second thought, I have lost audio when listening to music: when I made some adjustments to the Audyssey settings in my Marantz I lost audio--that's what led me to think it was the Marantz that had a problem.

For issues with HDMI, particularly when the HDMI Inputs are in use, the first thing to do is see if the problem still happens with the latest firmware.

If you've not done so already, I suggest you download and install (via USB stick) the 0808B Public Beta firmware. If you have a US model player, you can get that here:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/BDP103-firmware-60-0808B.aspx

(There are situations where an HDMI retry may cause audio to mute while Copy Protection is being re-established.)

If the problem persists, give OPPO a call and they'll walk you through diagnosing this. Basically you cut things down to the minimum cabling configuration that still generates the problem, and that will usually point to whether it is a player problem or and external device problem.
--Bob
post #6761 of 10063
Thanks everyone.

@ madaudio: Yes, I suspect my Tivo, now, as it seems to be the common denominator! It doesn't have an on/off/standby switch, nor does it seem to go into standby mode. Most of my music comes from CDs, with just an occasional use of an attached hard drive.

@ Lonely Raven: My loss of audio lasts until I restart a source, not just for a few seconds.

@ Bob Pariseau: I'm a little hesitant to use Public Beta updates in case they create a new problem that can't be undone!
post #6762 of 10063
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurgen View Post

I can't get the Oppo to play audio via the USB-ports from an iMac.

This works:

When I connect a HDD on the front USB-port I can play video and audio-files.

When I connect the iMac to an USB-port from my pre-amp and see it in the sound-menu of the iMac and after selecting it I can hear music.

I also can choose in the sound-menu of the iMac the Apple tv as a receiver and it works.


But this doesn't:

So why can't I get a connection with the Oppo (front USB and back USB-DAC)?
Of course I try to select: 'Please set "System Preferences -> Sound -> Output" to "OPPO USB Audio Device 2.0".
but the Oppo isn't even mentioned. (Plugging - unplugging - plugging wan't help.)
It doesn't matter if I have chosen the USB-port for the input (Input - 8).
Just let me add that I use the latest Beta Fw.

Are you sure you aren't confusing the two types of USB socket on the player?

The thin rectangular USB sockets on the back (and also one on the front) are for attaching peripheral devices like a hard drive, a USB keyboard or the Wifi dongle.

To attach your Mac directly to the player, so as to use the OPPO as an audio output device for the Mac, you do *NOT* want to use one of those thin-rectangular sockets.

Instead you use the Asynchronous USB DAC Input -- a square-shaped socket -- on the back of the player.

You'll need a USB cable which has that square-style USB plug on one end and the thin rectangular-style USB plug for the Mac end. These are readily available where USB cables are sold.

When plugged in that way, the OPPO should automatically show up as a Sound Output device in System Preferences > Sound > Output on the Mac.

Select the OPPO as your Sound Output device on the Mac -- i.e., so the Mac sends audio there instead of using its built in speakers.

On the OPPO, press Input and select the USB DAC Input.

Any sound the Mac produces -- such as by playing a music file -- will now play through the OPPO.
--Bob
post #6763 of 10063
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

It looks like a "shuffle" from the MediaControl app, but it's actually preserving some internal sequential order that is showing up on the 105's front panel...meaning the Oppo is sequentially counting some bogus track list in memory that doesn't coincide with the alphabetical/numerical sorting of the real track list.

Ah, I remember... the sorting issue via smb. The solution is probably to replace the track numbers by letters? A instead of 01, B instead of 02, ... smile.gif
post #6764 of 10063
Quote:
Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

Thanks everyone.

@ madaudio: Yes, I suspect my Tivo, now, as it seems to be the common denominator! It doesn't have an on/off/standby switch, nor does it seem to go into standby mode. Most of my music comes from CDs, with just an occasional use of an attached hard drive.

@ Lonely Raven: My loss of audio lasts until I restart a source, not just for a few seconds.

@ Bob Pariseau: I'm a little hesitant to use Public Beta updates in case they create a new problem that can't be undone!

If you install the 0808B Public Beta firmware, and run into a problem, you will be able to roll back to the most recent Official firmware (0719) by downloading it from the OPPO site for install via USB stick.
--Bob
post #6765 of 10063
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Ah, I remember... the sorting issue via smb. The solution is probably to replace the track numbers by letters? A instead of 01, B instead of 02, ... smile.gif
Yes, Oppo needs to provide a fix. My music collection file names are not going to change. I previously mentioned it was "no biggie", but it actually is now because the tracks are being played out of order using the MediaControl app.....bummer! frown.gif
Edited by DanF8500 - 8/16/13 at 10:02am
post #6766 of 10063
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Are you sure you aren't confusing the two types of USB socket on the player?

The thin rectangular USB sockets on the back (and also one on the front) are for attaching peripheral devices like a hard drive, a USB keyboard or the Wifi dongle.

To attach your Mac directly to the player, so as to use the OPPO as an audio output device for the Mac, you do *NOT* want to use one of those thin-rectangular sockets.

Instead you use the Asynchronous USB DAC Input -- a square-shaped socket -- on the back of the player.

You'll need a USB cable which has that square-style USB plug on one end and the thin rectangular-style USB plug for the Mac end. These are readily available where USB cables are sold.

When plugged in that way, the OPPO should automatically show up as a Sound Output device in System Preferences > Sound > Output on the Mac.

Select the OPPO as your Sound Output device on the Mac -- i.e., so the Mac sends audio there instead of using its built in speakers.

On the OPPO, press Input and select the USB DAC Input.

Any sound the Mac produces -- such as by playing a music file -- will now play through the OPPO.
--Bob

I had the idea that I was doing something wrong.

First, I thought that every USB-port could be used for streaming from a MAC/PC.
Second, I confused the USB-ports at the back.

To make it short: it works!

Thanks a lot!

Jürgen
post #6767 of 10063
I installed the upgrade and the results are not promising! First, I ran the firmware upgrade. Then, I played an SACD. When I turned on my TV while the SACD was playing, I lost all sound. The sound would only return if I turned off the 105 or changed the input to another source, such as HDMI in Back. Then I tried a different HDMI cable, but I got the same results. Lastly, I unplugged the Tivo unit from the rear HDMI input and tried again, but it still lost sound when I turned on the TV. I had to briefly change in the input to USB then back to Blu-ray before I could get sound again. Clearly, there is an HDMI handshake issue by plugging directly into the TV. I can't test to see if plugging my 105 HDMI out to the Marantz preamp solves the problem until it is returned from the repair shop. I think most of theses issues began when I started using the Split A/V mode with HDMI 1 connected to my TV and HDMI 2 connected to my preamp for audio. I may have to resume using the Dual mode. I'm not a happy camper.
Edited by bwv1080 - 8/16/13 at 2:10pm
post #6768 of 10063
Any of you guys tried to play .mkv files connecting an extenal media player on the back HDMI connection of the oppo.and if yes,does oppo 105 outputs DTS HD MA or TrueHD audio (if the mkv files contains those audio formats) ?

Thanks.
Meffy
Edited by Meffy - 8/16/13 at 2:53pm
post #6769 of 10063
I need some help. I am sure this has been gone over a million times already but I cant find the answer in 5he owners manual.

When playing a sacd I have sacd output dsd I have the other setting in the oppo for sacd output to sacd stereo. Now when I am playing a disc the display shows sacd and pcm. How do I tell if I am getting the dsd signal?

And one more question I have just installed a new processor into my system. The Krell Foundation. And it has the same dacs as the 105 in it. Would it now make more sense to sell my 105 and get the 103? The sound on the Foundation is the best I have heard personally in my system or any other.
Thanks for any help you can give.
post #6770 of 10063
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

I need some help. I am sure this has been gone over a million times already but I cant find the answer in 5he owners manual.

When playing a sacd I have sacd output dsd I have the other setting in the oppo for sacd output to sacd stereo. Now when I am playing a disc the display shows sacd and pcm. How do I tell if I am getting the dsd signal?

.

How are you connected? It's impossible to know how to answer the question without knowing whether you are using HDMI or analog outputs from the Oppo.
post #6771 of 10063
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meffy View Post

Any of you guys tried to play .mkv files connecting an extenal media player on the back HDMI connection of the oppo.and if yes,does oppo 105 outputs DTS HD MA or TrueHD audio (if the mkv files contains those audio formats) ?

Thanks.
Meffy

No, not over the HDMI inputs. See the FAQ: What are the specs of the digital inputs? If the media player will convert to LPCM then you can do it.

You can get that audio directly from the MKV files if they are on local storage, or over DLNA or SMB.

-Bill
post #6772 of 10063
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

I need some help. I am sure this has been gone over a million times already but I cant find the answer in 5he owners manual.

When playing a sacd I have sacd output dsd I have the other setting in the oppo for sacd output to sacd stereo. Now when I am playing a disc the display shows sacd and pcm. How do I tell if I am getting the dsd signal?

And one more question I have just installed a new processor into my system. The Krell Foundation. And it has the same dacs as the 105 in it. Would it now make more sense to sell my 105 and get the 103? The sound on the Foundation is the best I have heard personally in my system or any other.
Thanks for any help you can give.

A lot of SACDs only use DSD for the final mastering stage, so it may well be a PCM master. However, I noticed today that a Telarc SACD that proudly states "Pure DSD" and "derived from DSD master tapes" (or words to that effect) still come up as PCM on my display. Something fishy's going on there!
post #6773 of 10063
Rhale64L7, are you using the 105's hdmi 2 output? That's the only digital output port that will send dsd direct to your pre/pro. If your pre/pro doesn't support dsd streams, the hdmi audio will be a pcm stream, but I'm sure the Krell Foundation supports dsd streams, does it not?

The Krell Foundation is like $10K US, compared to $1200 for a 105. Not too many folks have heard a Foundation, but if it has the same dacs as the 105, then the digital to analog conversion should be identical. I know it probably doesn't sound 10 times better than a 105....you have to pay a lot more to get a little more performance.
Edited by DanF8500 - 8/16/13 at 3:49pm
post #6774 of 10063
I am hooked up hdmi 2 out to the Foundation for all audio processing. I am also using the xlr out to the Foundation for analog. So what would be the problem with the pcm out?

And the Foundation lists for 6500. I paid much less. The 105 does sound great though.
post #6775 of 10063
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

I am hooked up hdmi 2 out to the Foundation for all audio processing. I am also using the xlr out to the Foundation for analog.

Perfect hook-up! Now play a 2-channel SACD. Turn off room correction. Switch the Foundation's input between the XLR input and the HDMI input. Go back and forth a few times between the two inputs. Play different types of music. Also try regular CD's. Which sounds better?

If HDMI input sounds better, then you can sell your 105 and get a 103. If the XLR input sounds better, then stick with the 105.
post #6776 of 10063
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

I am hooked up hdmi 2 out to the Foundation for all audio processing. I am also using the xlr out to the Foundation for analog. So what would be the problem with the pcm out?

And the Foundation lists for 6500. I paid much less. The 105 does sound great though.

How do you like The Krell Foundation? Does it have automatic EQ? Aim wondering if it might replace the SSP-800
post #6777 of 10063
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

Which sounds better?

If HDMI input sounds better, then you can sell your 105 and get a 103. If the XLR input sounds better, then stick with the 105.
Truthfully, if he runs that test, and his 105's xlr sounds better, then he needs to sell the Foundation too. smile.gif He can pass that 105 analog signal right to his power amp for audio "Nirvana". The Foundation isn't going to improve on the converted analog signal, unless he uses all the EQ features in the Foundation. I despise using any eq for 2 channel audio....I'm a purist/minimalist.
Edited by DanF8500 - 8/16/13 at 4:45pm
post #6778 of 10063
Tried sending the analog straight to power amps from the 105. Didnt like it much. No drive is all I could figure. With the Foundation in the chain it is completely different sounding.

And yes it does have room eq. First you do speaker setup. Then you do ares eq wizard. You can eq just the low frequencies with the Foundation though which is what I did. I eqed from 250hz down. So far so good.

I am going to test xlr against hdmi right now. Will post back
post #6779 of 10063
Well fellow avsers I will not be selling the Foundation. I asked my wife to listen and I switched. She is just laying on the love seat. I switched to the Foundation and she said thats the new one isnt it. I said yes. The bass is clearly more defined and it is smooth on the Foundation. I made sure eq was off. And no it is not a double blind abx test. Dont have the equipment or time or money. Not trying to be a smartbutt. Just people asked so I did it. Not trying to derail thread at all either. Now back on topic. How to get dsd out either through hdmi or xlr
post #6780 of 10063
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

... Now back on topic. How to get dsd out either through hdmi or xlr
How do you know the Foundation supports dsd streams? Did you talk with a Krell tech? DSD is a "digital" audio stream. You don't get dsd out the rca or xlr connectors. DSD is converted to an analog signal by a dac in an audio component. Just because the Foundation has the same dacs as the 105 does, that doesn't mean Krell implemented dsd processing on their unit. It sounds like you're outputting a dsd stream out your 105's hdmi 2 port. What's your "hdmi audio" setting set at? If it is set to auto, then the 105 will check with your Foundation to tell it which digital stream (either dsd or pcm) to send out of its hdmi 2 port.

I just went to Krell's website and read the specs on the Foundation. I saw not one word that mentioned "dsd support". In fact, I downloaded a copy of the Krell Foundation reference manual and did not see dsd as one of their "digital decoding modes".

In the audio world, if a piece of equipment supports dsd streams, the company would definitely highlight supporting dsd...that's a sellable feature.
Edited by DanF8500 - 8/16/13 at 7:53pm
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