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post #7081 of 10181
I concur with Lonely Raven that smaller drives sound better. In fact, I am ripping my favorite songs in WAV format on my MacBook to 128gb flash drives by genre. I am considering a larger ssd but prices are going to have to come down abut more before I go that route
post #7082 of 10181
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

Well folks I may just buy my first external hard drive. Any suggestions of some that work with the 105 better than others? I am thinking about a 2tb drive for starters. Or should I just go 4tb? confused.gif

Would it also be better to put all my cds on the drive also? Is this what you all are doing here?

...........
If I attach a hard drive to the oppo through the regular usb it will then all work is my understanding.

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Hard drive into one of the USB inputs (not the DAC USB input) is the simplest way to go, unless you are nerdy enough to put together some sort of server/NAS system.

I also strongly recommend following Lonely Raven's suggestion of having at least two copies of your ripped cd's, and downloaded DSD or other files. My son lost hundreds of hours of cd and dvd ripping when a single hard drive with everything on it failed and could not be rescued, even by a techie expert.

I have three copies of everything: one on the internal drive in my computer, one I have permanently attached to my Oppo, and another I keep "just in case". I would rather be a happy paranoid than a miserable ex-optimist!!!!!!


PS I use a 2TB Western Digital attached to the Oppo, and a 3TB Western Digital as the third back-up (these are all drives with their own power source)

PPS Give some thought beforehand to a well-organised folder system which breaks up your collection into categories, or Artists, or Artists within Categories/Genres or whatever, so you can zero in on any specific album with only a few steps on the Oppo remote. And don't forget the Page Up/Down button to zip up and down through files/folders quickly.
Edited by madaudio - 9/6/13 at 8:04am
post #7083 of 10181
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Originally Posted by edfowler View Post

I concur with Lonely Raven that smaller drives sound better. In fact, I am ripping my favorite songs in WAV format on my MacBook to 128gb flash drives by genre. I am considering a larger ssd but prices are going to have to come down abut more before I go that route

I have not noticed a sound difference between SSD and traditional spinning disk, assuming both are USB powered.

I found out last weekend that there are some 2TB portable drives out there, I might try one and see how they perform.
post #7084 of 10181
^ ^^ edfowler and LonelyRaven, you guys are racking my brain so early in the morning....lol Are both of you suggesting that uploading an audio file to the 105 from a smaller drive produces a "less noisy" audio signal than playing the identical audio file from a larger, laptop/desktop drive? Am I understanding both of you? Or are you suggesting that you can "hear" external noise from fans/power supply on a larger drive as opposed to a smaller, usb drive? And what does the actual size (500 Gb, 1Tb, 4TB, etc..) have anything to do with "sound"??? .....it's just more bytes/memory, guys....nothing more..
post #7085 of 10181
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Originally Posted by madaudio View Post

Hard drive into one of the USB inputs (not the DAC USB input) is the simplest way to go, unless you are nerdy enough to put together some sort of server/NAS system.

I also strongly recommend following Lonely Raven's suggestion of having at least two copies of your ripped cd's, and downloaded DSD or other files. My son lost hundreds of hours of cd and dvd ripping when a single hard drive with everything on it failed and could not be rescued, even by a techie expert.

I have three copies of everything: one on the internal drive in my computer, one I have permanently attached to my Oppo, and another I keep "just in case". I would rather be a happy paranoid than a miserable ex-optimist!!!!!!


PS I use a 2TB Western Digital attached to the Oppo, and a 3TB Western Digital as the third back-up (these are all drives with their own power source)

PPS Give some thought beforehand to a well-organised folder system which breaks up your collection into categories, or Artists, or Artists within Categories/Genres or whatever, so you can zero in on any specific album with only a few steps on the Oppo remote. And don't forget the Page Up/Down button to zip up and down through files/folders quickly.
You guys are making storage/backup way too complicated/time consuming than you need to. A NAS (Network Attached Storage) with the benefits of RAID data mirroring is a tried a proven setup, used by many organizations and home network systems. You don't need to be a nerd to install one in your home network. It is simple. . If I manually had to backup my data in three different places all the time, I'd go crazy...lol Let the NAS do all the work for you in the background with regards to data mirroring....you don't need to keep removing drives from your usb ports and copying audio/video files back and forth between your computer and the 105. If you learned how to play audio/video files on your 105, you can learn how to install a home network storage device.
post #7086 of 10181
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

You guys are making storage/backup way too complicated/time consuming than you need to. A NAS (Network Attached Storage) with the benefits of RAID data mirroring is a tried a proven setup, used by many organizations and home network systems. You don't need to be a nerd to install one in your home network. It is simple. . If I manually had to backup my data in three different places all the time, I'd go crazy...lol Let the NAS do all the work for you in the background with regards to data mirroring....you don't need to keep removing drives from your usb ports and copying audio/video files back and forth between your computer and the 105. If you learned how to play audio/video files on your 105, you can learn how to install a home network storage device.

I absolutely agree a NAS is great, but I still say directly connected USB powered devices sound the best. Quietest background and more detail.

I'm saving up for the Synology 8 bay so can get my HTPC trimmed down to a quiet fanless setup and put the fleet of hard drives in another part of the house, further lowering my noise floor in my listening/theater room.
post #7087 of 10181
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Originally Posted by Lonely Raven View Post

I absolutely agree a NAS is great, but I still say directly connected USB powered devices sound the best. Quietest background and more detail.

I'm saving up for the Synology 8 bay so can get my HTPC trimmed down to a quiet fanless setup and put the fleet of hard drives in another part of the house, further lowering my noise floor in my listening/theater room.
I will tell you this right now with 100% confidence that you are imagining what you're hearing between smaller and larger drives. All you are transmitting to the 105 is a "digital" file. There is no processing going on in a drive to change the bits of the audio file to create "noisy" or "more detailed" fidelity. If you are hearing any external noise such as the sound of a fan (or your refrigerator or microwave oven or birds singing outside), then it will limit your ability to extract the finer details of your audio, but that's external noise. The same digital audio file on a small drive or a large, noisy drive will upload a file to the 105, bit for bit in verbatim.
post #7088 of 10181
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

You guys are making storage/backup way too complicated/time consuming than you need to. A NAS (Network Attached Storage) with the benefits of RAID data mirroring is a tried a proven setup, used by many organizations and home network systems. You don't need to be a nerd to install one in your home network. It is simple. . If I manually had to backup my data in three different places all the time, I'd go crazy...lol Let the NAS do all the work for you in the background with regards to data mirroring....you don't need to keep removing drives from your usb ports and copying audio/video files back and forth between your computer and the 105. If you learned how to play audio/video files on your 105, you can learn how to install a home network storage device.

Well Dan, I am generally computer-savvy in terms of knowing how to manage a stand-alone PC, find files, organise folders, install, run, uninstall programs etc. But some of the posts I've read about which systems are compatible with which types of files (in terms of "pushing" them out to the Oppo, and choices to make re Jriver or this or that other alternative, not to mention foo-bars and command-line driven software) and the trouble-shooting some posters have reported re their system working one day and not the next, .......

I won't say I haven't been tempted to think about giving it a go and trying a centrally-based storage system. But yet another issue (for me) is the distance between where my router and broadband modem are (at one end of the house) and where my AV gear and computer are (at the other end, of course!), so I just took the (immediately) easy way out!!

I find it much simpler to just plug a hard drive into the back of the Oppo! (not to mention the cost of NAS systems - we here in Oz DownUnder get slugged markups on a lot of gear compared to what the same equipment costs in the States).
post #7089 of 10181
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

You guys are making storage/backup way too complicated/time consuming than you need to. A NAS (Network Attached Storage) with the benefits of RAID data mirroring is a tried a proven setup, used by many organizations and home network systems. You don't need to be a nerd to install one in your home network. It is simple. . If I manually had to backup my data in three different places all the time, I'd go crazy...lol Let the NAS do all the work for you in the background with regards to data mirroring....you don't need to keep removing drives from your usb ports and copying audio/video files back and forth between your computer and the 105. If you learned how to play audio/video files on your 105, you can learn how to install a home network storage device.
This really isn't the place to discuss this in detail, but a RAID of any form is absolutely NOT equivalent to having backups. Just to give a few specific examples... Imagine that you delete some files by mistake. Your RAID (if configured for mirroring) will delete the files in the mirror too as the whole point is to keep the copies in sync with each other. If your RAID happens to fail (yes, it happens), it's a LOT more difficult to recover files than from a drive that wasn't part of a RAID. The bottom line is that backups and RAIDs accomplish 2 different things. Basically, RAIDs give you some combination of high performance and the ability to keep running in case of a drive failure depending on how the RAID is configured, while backups give you a way to recover lost data in the event of either an act of stupidity (we sometimes refer to those as mistakes or blame the computer for doing something wrong biggrin.gif) or catastrophic failure.
post #7090 of 10181
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

........... Basically, RAIDs give you some combination of high performance and the ability to keep running in case of a drive failure depending on how the RAID is configured, while backups give you a way to recover lost data in the event of either an act of stupidity (we sometimes refer to those as mistakes or blame the computer for doing something wrong biggrin.gif) or catastrophic failure.

Good point!
post #7091 of 10181
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Originally Posted by madaudio View Post

Well Dan, I am generally computer-savvy in terms of knowing how to manage a stand-alone PC, find files, organise folders, install, run, uninstall programs etc. But some of the posts I've read about which systems are compatible with which types of files (in terms of "pushing" them out to the Oppo, and choices to make re Jriver or this or that other alternative, not to mention foo-bars and command-line driven software) and the trouble-shooting some posters have reported re their system working one day and not the next, .......

I won't say I haven't been tempted to think about giving it a go and trying a centrally-based storage system. But yet another issue (for me) is the distance between where my router and broadband modem are (at one end of the house) and where my AV gear and computer are (at the other end, of course!), so I just took the (immediately) easy way out!!

I find it much simpler to just plug a hard drive into the back of the Oppo! (not to mention the cost of NAS systems - we here in Oz DownUnder get slugged markups on a lot of gear compared to what the same equipment costs in the States).
Maudio, don't let the thought of a NAS or other pieces of 3rd party, dlna server sw scare you off. You sound like a "perfect" candidate for a NAS. You don't need to Be concerned about where your router/modem is in relation to your AV gear is. As long as the NAS is connected to your router via an ethernet cable, you are fine. You can have your NAS underneath your bed, and it wouldn't be a problem....lol The NAS remains on at all times (or a low power state to be woken up when needed). The 105 will see your NAS, and you can upload files from it (via SMB, if you're not using Windows 8), without the need of any 3rd party dlna server sw(JRiver, foobar, etc). I really do hope you give it a go....some years ago, I felt the same way as you, but am so glad I was able to have a NAS in my home network.
post #7092 of 10181
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

a RAID of any form is absolutely NOT equivalent to having backups..... If your RAID happens to fail (yes, it happens), it's a LOT more difficult to recover files than from a drive that wasn't part of a RAID. The bottom line is that backups and RAIDs accomplish 2 different things.

+100000

RAID's do fail. RAID is NOT backup! A virus can take out the files on a mirrored drive is another example.
post #7093 of 10181
Man I didn't know my post would cause such a stir. Thanks I have a lot of reading to do. As I have a lot of options at this point. My modem is in my basement right next to my gear. It has a 4 port switch built in. I have ethernet running upstairs to my wireless router. Which I have very good signal to the entire house. I have wired in ethernet to most of the house. The basement and first floor also one room upstairs. I will consider all aspects of getting music into my gear.

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post #7094 of 10181
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Originally Posted by HowardV View Post

RAID's do fail. RAID is NOT backup! A virus can take out the files on a mirrored drive is another example.

+1

I love the speed of RAID 0 arrays (striped) and automatic backup of RAID 1 arrays (mirrored), but I NEVER trust them 100%. I have seen (at work) several drives in a RAID 1 array fail and on two of those occasions the data could not be recovered by certified, experienced computer techs. You can use your RAID array as a primary backup, but if you don't backup all the data to an independent drive at least a few times per year you are crazy. I want to convert my music collection and buy on-line music exactly once, and loosing other non-replaceable digital files (photos, home video, etc) is simply not acceptable.

The other problem that I've had with RAID arrays (these were motherboard supported built in RAID controllers) is that the data on them is not compatible with other RAID controllers. You cannot just take the drives from one RAID controller and move them to another. If you have a motherboard or an NAS that you want to upgrade, you may need to buy another set of drives for the new box and copy the files via your network (VERY slow). And if the RAID controller hardware fails you may find yourself looking for a used one on eBay to see if you can recover your data.
post #7095 of 10181
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ ^^ edfowler and LonelyRaven, you guys are racking my brain so early in the morning....lol Are both of you suggesting that uploading an audio file to the 105 from a smaller drive produces a "less noisy" audio signal than playing the identical audio file from a larger, laptop/desktop drive? Am I understanding both of you? Or are you suggesting that you can "hear" external noise from fans/power supply on a larger drive as opposed to a smaller, usb drive? And what does the actual size (500 Gb, 1Tb, 4TB, etc..) have anything to do with "sound"??? .....it's just more bytes/memory, guys....nothing more..

I haven't tested everything out yet but I know that in my set up, WAV files played off of a flash drive thru the regular usb port on the oppo absolutely sound better than AIFF files played using my macbook with the latest Audirvana software thru the asynchronous usb port on the oppo.
post #7096 of 10181
Hello fellas, i need some help regarding Oppo 105 to recognise some files in SMB mode. I have a synology NAS DS412+ and i transfered all my files to the NAS HDD from my computer (Movies (.mkv,) music mp3 and FLAC,fotos, and even a playlist that i created with windows media player (.wpl). Oppo can see all theese folders and files and recognises everything but my playlist (.wpl) files.It recognises the folder that i have my playlist inside but not the .wpl files itself. Is it a normal behaviour? Bare in mind that is only when i connect to the synogy NAS in SMB mode.If i use Twonky or anyother DLNA server that i have installed on my computer,then oppo sees my playlist and recognises the .wpl files and plays them. Weird. Or is it just me that going nuts? I hope someone here can give me some hope to solve this problem.

Thanks.

Regards Meffy
post #7097 of 10181
It's the DLNA software that is recognizing the playlist, not the Oppo. The Oppo has its own playlist capabilities but they are very limited at this time and should be considered a work in progress. The Oppo does not directly recognize externally created playlists of any format.
post #7098 of 10181
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Originally Posted by Meffy View Post

Hello fellas, i need some help regarding Oppo 105 to recognise some files in SMB mode. I have a synology NAS DS412+ and i transfered all my files to the NAS HDD from my computer (Movies (.mkv,) music mp3 and FLAC,fotos, and even a playlist that i created with windows media player (.wpl). Oppo can see all theese folders and files and recognises everything but my playlist (.wpl) files.It recognises the folder that i have my playlist inside but not the .wpl files itself. Is it a normal behaviour? Bare in mind that is only when i connect to the synogy NAS in SMB mode.If i use Twonky or anyother DLNA server that i have installed on my computer,then oppo sees my playlist and recognises the .wpl files and plays them. Weird. Or is it just me that going nuts? I hope someone here can give me some hope to solve this problem.

Thanks.

Regards Meffy
Hello Meffy. Isn't a .wpl file a Windows Media Player playlist file? I believe the Oppo has no idea how to process a file like that.
post #7099 of 10181
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

It's the DLNA software that is recognizing the playlist, not the Oppo. The Oppo has its own playlist capabilities but they are very limited at this time and should be considered a work in progress. The Oppo does not directly recognize externally created playlists of any format.

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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Hello Meffy. Isn't a .wpl file a Windows Media Player playlist file? I believe the Oppo has no idea how to process a file like that.





Ok, thanks guys. i got you. I guess then i have to use DLNA software to play my playlists.

Thanks.

Regards Meffy
post #7100 of 10181
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Originally Posted by Meffy View Post


Ok, thanks guys. i got you. I guess then i have to use DLNA software to play my playlists.

Thanks.

Regards Meffy

You might still want to take a look at the Oppo playlist capabilities just to get an idea what it can and can't do at this point in time. Improvements are expected but there is no published schedule.
post #7101 of 10181
Decided to get into digital downloads with "superhirez.com" from Acoustic Sounds.
Their guide from Positive Feedback mentioned that external HDs that are powered via the USB connection vs. a dedicated wall wart, can stutter on playback.
Of course before reading this, I ordered a WD Passport 2TB drive that is powered via USB.

Can anyone confirm that USB powered drives suffer this problem or suggest a solid USB external drive?
I've had no issues with USB sticks
TIA
post #7102 of 10181
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Decided to get into digital downloads with "superhirez.com" from Acoustic Sounds.
Their guide from Positive Feedback mentioned that external HDs that are powered via the USB connection vs. a dedicated wall wart, can stutter on playback.
Of course before reading this, I ordered a WD Passport 2TB drive that is powered via USB.

Can anyone confirm that USB powered drives suffer this problem or suggest a solid USB external drive?
I've had no issues with USB sticks
TIA

It makes no real difference in how a HDD is powered, as far as "stuttering" goes. Some early 2.5" portable drives were just real slow. Not the case now days, and any recent HDD should be just fine. The only issue would be with files that are badly fragmented. Some devices have trouble supplying adequate power for a HDD via their USB ports, but this is not the case with recent Oppo models (unless perhaps if you have all USB ports on the player loaded down at the same time). But you can access those same files on your PC via SMB. An external HDD isn't really needed.
post #7103 of 10181
Thanks RD.
I wasn't all that worried because I'd never read about deficiencies in transfer speed with these drives.
Perhaps trying to "stream" audio and video might tax a USB powered drive but that is a different matter.
Fragmentation shouldn't be an issue since this is a read only situation not a read write one.
As long as the HD's transfer speed is to spec and the 105 is able to properly buffer the input, there should not be an issue.
Thanks
post #7104 of 10181
When using a external hard drive into the front usd input am I utilizing the Oppo's DAC?
post #7105 of 10181
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Originally Posted by gelly View Post

When using a external hard drive into the front usd input am I utilizing the Oppo's DAC?

Whenever you use the analog outputs you are using the player's DACs.

Whenever you use the digital outputs you are not using the player's DACs.

-Bill
post #7106 of 10181
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Originally Posted by gelly View Post

When using a external hard drive into the front usd input am I utilizing the Oppo's DAC?

If the program being played by the the Oppo is being read from a digital source (thumb drive, hard drive, etc) and output to your system as analog (RCA or XLR) then the Oppo is using its DACs to convert the digital to analog. Same with the two "host" type A USB ports on the back. The DACs are also utilized when you are using the "slave" type B USB port on the back but that is used for streaming from a host PC or similar device.
post #7107 of 10181
I have no sound from my DTS MKV ripped files. Only video.

DD MKV ripped files are playing fine. I have "unstoppable" in both DTS and DD and only the DD has sound.

Anyone can try this or is it a known issue? played fine on the oppo-95
post #7108 of 10181
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Originally Posted by audiman View Post

I have no sound from my DTS MKV ripped files. Only video.

DD MKV ripped files are playing fine. I have "unstoppable" in both DTS and DD and only the DD has sound.

Anyone can try this or is it a known issue? played fine on the oppo-95

I don't recall reports of that. Are you on current firmware?

Could you post the "mediainfo" report on this file?

-Bill
post #7109 of 10181
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Originally Posted by gelly View Post

When using a external hard drive into the front usd input am I utilizing the Oppo's DAC?
The 105's dacs are being "utilized" for every audio file/track the 105 processes. You are receiving the "benefits" of the dacs if you use any of the 105's analog outputs.
post #7110 of 10181
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Originally Posted by audiman View Post

I have no sound from my DTS MKV ripped files. Only video.

DD MKV ripped files are playing fine. I have "unstoppable" in both DTS and DD and only the DD has sound.

Anyone can try this or is it a known issue? played fine on the oppo-95

Also: Are you using HDMI with Bitstream set? What if you switch to LPCM?

-Bill
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