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post #7141 of 10046
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ I haven't checked recently but there should be an OPPO BDP-105 under their Blu-ray Players category. Is that not the case?

My point was, the default setup in their database may be to use PowerToggle. You just change that to use PowerON and PowerOFF, which are also defined -- just not used by default.
--Bob

There is no Blu-ray category. One can find an Oppo BDP-105 under DVD and there is another one under mini-systems and I think there are a couple more called BDP105, BDP-105EU and BDP-105AU etc. The Mini-system has the Input options but no Power on/Power off - just toggle...

Cheers.
post #7142 of 10046
^ Good grief. Logitech is losing it.

Sounds like the one in mini-systems might be closest. You could ask Logitech's Harmony support to copy over the PowerOn/ PowerOff pair into that one for you.

There's no difference in the remote for the AU (Australian) or EU (European) models, so if one of those has all the definitions you could use that.

If you have to "learn" some of the missing buttons in the one you pick, the Input ones will be easier to generate (and thus learn).

Sorry, but I've no idea which one of those might actually be "closest" as the starting point.
--Bob
post #7143 of 10046
you can search this thread for the answer, it was asked before. I haven't looked in forever but for my 105 I think I had to go back the whole way to the 83 to get the discrete on/off codes. For normal remote stuff I use the 105 set of codes but for the activities I use the 83.
post #7144 of 10046
There is an entry for BDP-105 in Logitech. I am using that. My device setup is very similar to yours. An AppleTV connected to the Oppo, which is connected to a Parasound Halo P7 preamp and emotiva Amp.
The setup works fine and all the settings on the Harmony were default settings without much tinkering. The only issue I get sometimes is when switching from AppleTV to Watching Bluray, the Oppo hangs and needs a power reset. Other than that, the Logitech Harmony works fine.
post #7145 of 10046
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

I have already. If I start with everything powered off and choose either of the two activities I have that use the BDP-105 (Watch Blu-Ray or Watch Apple TV) everything works perfectly. But if I switch between them (e.g. listen to an SACD then deciding to listen to some music from the AppleTV connected on Input 3/HDMI) the Harmony sends the Power Toggle as it begins the other activity which turns it off because it is now on.

So that's why I asked for the "best" Oppo BDP-105 entry in the database hoping that maybe that one of them has the discrete codes for Power On and Power Off which I could use for the sequence in powering on etc. instead of Power Toggle but I also need to have the Input command to be able to select Input 3 or Input 1 which some of the older models didn't have.

Cheers.

You just need to set up the sequence in the Harmony so it knows what to leave on and what to turn off. I don't have the Harmony software up, but have run into this in the past. The command when switching to another device may be inappropriately turning off devices that you don't want off, in this case the Oppo. If you still have a problem because you don't have discreet On and Off signals, just teach them to your Harmony and then you will. Good luck. Harmony's are great, but are also often a pain to set up.
post #7146 of 10046
I just got my new BDP-105, really excited. I have one gripe though and hope to get an answer that I could not find anywhere. I have the old BDP-95 and the only reason I bought this unit is to be able to stream wireless audio through its DLNA renderer function ( BTY I sold my PS Audio Perfectwave II in the meantime). I am able to do that flawlessly over Wi-Fi from my Seagate NAS drive. I do have many files that are 192Khz FLACs and they do stream okay. However, I am not sure if they get to the actual DAC unaltered. It seems OPPO goes into lengths trying to state that the asynchronous USB input does this. Does anyone know if the files streamed over Wi-Fi get down-converted before getting to the DAC? I know that unit is brand new and will require break in, but the most obvious difference I am noticing is the limited low end, not in heft but rather how deep it goes. Only evident in certain tracks like the beginning of Pink FLoyd's Time. Would appreciate some input.
Edited by gago1101 - 9/10/13 at 9:19pm
post #7147 of 10046
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Originally Posted by gago1101 View Post

I just got my new BDP-105, really excited. I have one gripe though and hope to get an answer that I could not find anywhere. I have the old BDP-95 and the only reason I bought this unit is to be able to stream wireless audio through its DLNA renderer function ( BTY I sold my PS Audio Perfectwave II in the meantime). I am able to do that flawlessly over Wi-Fi from my Seagate NAS drive. I do have many files that are 192Khz FLACs and they do stream okay. However, I am not sure if they get to the actual DAC unaltered. It seems OPPO goes into lengths trying to state that the asynchronous USB input does this. Does anyone know if the files streamed over Wi-Fi get down-converted before getting to the DAC? I know that unit is brand new and will require break in, but the most obvious difference I am noticing is the limited low end, not in heft but rather how deep it goes. Only evident in certain tracks like the beginning of Pink FLoyd's Time. Would appreciate some input.
Your DLNA media software has the capability to transcode your audio files. You'll need to check the settings of your dlna sw you're using to make sure it's not transcoding your flacs. You can rest assured that the 105 won't down convert your flacs regardless of the method you use to upload your files to it (ethernet/wireless/serial port)
post #7148 of 10046
^^ I have no idea where the output of your 105 is going but my personal experience was that lowering the 105 volume output from 100 to something much lower (48 in my case) vastly improved the sound including a much more noticable and richer low end.
post #7149 of 10046
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Originally Posted by gago1101 View Post

I just got my new BDP-105, really excited. I have one gripe though and hope to get an answer that I could not find anywhere. I have the old BDP-95 and the only reason I bought this unit is to be able to stream wireless audio through its DLNA renderer function ( BTY I sold my PS Audio Perfectwave II in the meantime). I am able to do that flawlessly over Wi-Fi from my Seagate NAS drive. I do have many files that are 192Khz FLACs and they do stream okay. However, I am not sure if they get to the actual DAC unaltered. It seems OPPO goes into lengths trying to state that the asynchronous USB input does this. Does anyone know if the files streamed over Wi-Fi get down-converted before getting to the DAC? I know that unit is brand new and will require break in, but the most obvious difference I am noticing is the limited low end, not in heft but rather how deep it goes. Only evident in certain tracks like the beginning of Pink FLoyd's Time. Would appreciate some input.

Sounds like you may have your Crossover processing set incorrectly in the 105. Have you verified output levels, particularly for the Sub output, using a calibration disc?

The main difference using the USB DAC input is that audio processing is bypassed in the 105. So in particular, Crossover processing does not happen -- nor down-mixing. If you have Speakers set to Small and don't have the Crossover frequency chosen well or the Sub level set properly, then when you use the DLNA playback the bass levels may be off for that reason alone. But those settings would be ignored when using the USB DAC Input.

I suggest you move some of these problematic FLAC files onto a USB stick and test them that way. That will eliminate anything funky your DLNA server might be doing. If you still hear a difference compared to using the USB DAC Input, then the odds are you have your Analog Speaker Configuration settings set incorrectly. If playback from the USB stick sounds good, but there are still problems with the DLNA pushed audio (Digital Media Renderer to the OPPO), then the odds are there's some setting messed up in your DLNA server -- e.g., undesired transcoding.
--Bob
post #7150 of 10046
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Originally Posted by herklleld View Post

I have a Pioneer Kuro display and some consider it "high end". i read the manual and still do not understand the benefits of using SOURCE DIRECT. What exactly is the 105 passing through to the display?0LiUl
I have a Kuro too, but I won't consider the video chip inside to be high end...
I will still send the signal processed by the Oppo to the Pioneer.

Direct bypasses the video chip in the Oppo, which is a pretty decent one.
post #7151 of 10046
Gapless playback
When I bought my BDP-105 three months ago I was vaguely aware that there might be some issues with gapless playback of music files but had no experience of its effects. I now realise that the lack of gapless playback can totally ruin some music. A perfect example is provided by Beethoven's 15 Variations and Fugue in E flat (the "Eroica Variations"). This is a truly delightful piece for solo piano that lasts for about 25 minutes. My recording has 17 tracks to cover the theme, 15 variations and a finale. 13 of those tracks last for an average of only about 45 seconds. However, it is actually a single continuous piece. Beethoven wrote NO gaps in this music.

When the Eroica Variations are played via my Oppo the music stops for 5 seconds no less than 16 times. Ludwig would turn in his grave if he heard how this mangled his creation!

Is there any chance that gapless playback might be achievable via a future Oppo firmware upgrade or is this limitation built into the hardware?

David
post #7152 of 10046
I can play FLAC files gapless via J River streaming to the BDP-105 DAC.

- Rich
post #7153 of 10046
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I can play FLAC files gapless via J River streaming to the BDP-105 DAC.

- Rich

That's great to hear but how exactly are you doing this? When I use the Oppo to 'pull' the files from JRMC I get 5 second gaps. If I use JRMC to 'push' the files to the Oppo I get 9 second gaps. Are there some key settings in either the Oppo or JRMC that are necessary for gapless operation?

David
post #7154 of 10046
If you play the music on JRMC (and not the oppo) and JRMC is playing without gaps on your computer then it will play without gaps on the oppo. You play it on your computer and send the ouput (usb, spdif, etc) to the oppo.
post #7155 of 10046
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

If you play the music on JRMC (and not the oppo) and JRMC is playing without gaps on your computer then it will play without gaps on the oppo. You play it on your computer and send the ouput (usb, spdif, etc) to the oppo.

RichB said he got gapless operation via "streaming", which implies a network connection (which is also what I was using, hence the references to push and pull). You seem to be talking about a direct connection to one of the digital inputs of the Oppo.

If I play these FLAC files on my computer via speakers attached to my sound card then it is gapless. If I then direct the sound signal via the HDMI output of my graphics card to the rear HDMI input of the Oppo the gaps come back. I can't try SPDIF as my PC doesn't have such an output and I can't try USB as the Oppo is too far from my PC.
post #7156 of 10046
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Originally Posted by haggis999 View Post

That's great to hear but how exactly are you doing this? When I use the Oppo to 'pull' the files from JRMC I get 5 second gaps. If I use JRMC to 'push' the files to the Oppo I get 9 second gaps. Are there some key settings in either the Oppo or JRMC that are necessary for gapless operation?

David

With J River,

When i play files from the 105 via the network, the is less than a 1 second gap.
When i play files DLNA, there is a 5 or more seconds delay.
There is no GAP when streaming the the USB.

For USB, many connect a PC or MAC to the 105 and then use software like Foobar and J River.

IMO, HDMI is not a good way to transmit LPCM.

- Rich
post #7157 of 10046
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

With J River,

When i play files from the 105 via the network, the is less than a 1 second gap.
When i play files DLNA, there is a 5 or more seconds delay.
There is no GAP when streaming the the USB.

For USB, many connect a PC or MAC to the 105 and then use software like Foobar and J River.

IMO, HDMI is not a good way to transmit LPCM.

- Rich

Hi Rich,
What is the distinction you are making between "via the network" and via DLNA? I thought that was just two ways of saying the same thing.

JRMC runs on my primary general purpose PC in the same room as the AV kit and this PC is left running all day. However, it is too far away from the Oppo for a USB connection (10m) and there is no practical way of changing that situation. Running a dedicated HTPC that I can place close to the Oppo seems a rather wasteful solution, hence my preference for DLNA. I was also hoping to bypass JRMC in some circumstances and stream media from my NAS via the network to the Oppo, probably using MinimServer in the NAS.

David
post #7158 of 10046
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Originally Posted by haggis999 View Post

Hi Rich,
What is the distinction you are making between "via the network" and via DLNA? I thought that was just two ways of saying the same thing.

JRMC runs on my primary general purpose PC in the same room as the AV kit and this PC is left running all day. However, it is too far away from the Oppo for a USB connection (10m) and there is no practical way of changing that situation. Running a dedicated HTPC that I can place close to the Oppo seems a rather wasteful solution, hence my preference for DLNA. I was also hoping to bypass JRMC in some circumstances and stream media from my NAS via the network to the Oppo, probably using MinimServer in the NAS.

David
I haven't tried this, so I don't know if there would be any negative consequences from it, but there are lots of USB extenders out there that use a CAT5 or CAT6 cable with a transmitter / receiver pair on the ends. These can allow USB to be extended far beyond 10M.

I believe his distinction between "via the network" and "via DLNA" would be SMB versus DLNA. SMB would actually take J River completely out of the picture as the Oppo would be directly accessing a file share on the PC (note that SMB doesn't currently work with Windows 8 and doesn't work with Mac unless you install some third party software - no idea if Oppo will be able to address this with a firmware update).
post #7159 of 10046
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Originally Posted by haggis999 View Post

Hi Rich,
What is the distinction you are making between "via the network" and via DLNA? I thought that was just two ways of saying the same thing.

You can use the Oppo to browse your network and files directly on your server.
When I do this, there delay between tracks in minimal.
When playing via DLNA, the PC is controlling Oppo and this protocol is slow.
On my system, the quality is better when the Oppo is playing the file directly.

Oppo's MediaControl iPad app is a convenient way to control network playback of network files via SMB.
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JRMC runs on my primary general purpose PC in the same room as the AV kit and this PC is left running all day. However, it is too far away from the Oppo for a USB connection (10m) and there is no practical way of changing that situation. Running a dedicated HTPC that I can place close to the Oppo seems a rather wasteful solution, hence my preference for DLNA. I was also hoping to bypass JRMC in some circumstances and stream media from my NAS via the network to the Oppo, probably using MinimServer in the NAS

Here is a 30 foot Type A to B cable that could work.
There are also tiny low power PC options like this one from Intel.

If neither of those work for you, then network playback by browsing to the files using the Oppo may be the best bet.

- Rich
post #7160 of 10046
Hey guys. We've had this discussion about the 105 and gapless playback numerous times (most recently about a month ago). My take from gapless playback discussions was that it was only achievable using CUE files and SMB. I don't think it's possible using the 105 as a dlna renderer.
post #7161 of 10046
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Hey guys. We've had this discussion about the 105 and gapless playback numerous times (most recently about a month ago). My take from gapless playback discussions was that it was only achievable using CUE files and SMB. I don't think it's possible using the 105 as a dlna renderer.
Gapless should also work when connecting a PC to the "USB DAC" input and with CUE files on locally attached drives (CUE files aren't limited to SMB).
post #7162 of 10046
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

You can use the Oppo to browse your network and files directly on your server.
When I do this, there delay between tracks in minimal.
When playing via DLNA, the PC is controlling Oppo and this protocol is slow.
On my system, the quality is better when the Oppo is playing the file directly.

Oppo's MediaControl iPad app is a convenient way to control network playback of network files via SMB.
Here is a 30 foot Type A to B cable that could work.
There are also tiny low power PC options like this one from Intel.

If neither of those work for you, then network playback by browsing to the files using the Oppo may be the best bet.

- Rich

Ah, now I understand. When you say "via the network" you are talking about what I believe is called an SMB connection. I have tried this via MediaControlHD and was not much impressed with the usability. Unless I'm missing something here, you appear to lose all the intelligence provided by metadata and have to know the physical disk location of your media files (not something my family know anything about). While I am more aware of the file locations I don't want to have to scroll through hundreds of items to find what I want. In contrast, JRMC's metadata-based library lets me select any item in my audio collection with just 3 or 4 clicks of the mouse.

I was aware that active USB cables existed but was unsure if they were a practical solution for this application. However, they are cheap enough that I might just give one a try.

David
post #7163 of 10046
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Gapless should also work when connecting a PC to the "USB DAC" input and with CUE files on locally attached drives (CUE files aren't limited to SMB).

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is a CUE file?

David
post #7164 of 10046
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Hey guys. We've had this discussion about the 105 and gapless playback numerous times (most recently about a month ago). My take from gapless playback discussions was that it was only achievable using CUE files and SMB. I don't think it's possible using the 105 as a dlna renderer.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Gapless should also work when connecting a PC to the "USB DAC" input and with CUE files on locally attached drives (CUE files aren't limited to SMB).
I meant "CUE files" and "SMB" to be mutually exclusive in my statement above. Sorry for the confusion...for gapless to work on the 105's usb dac input, pc software will need to support gapless....
post #7165 of 10046
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Hey guys. We've had this discussion about the 105 and gapless playback numerous times (most recently about a month ago). My take from gapless playback discussions was that it was only achievable using CUE files and SMB. I don't think it's possible using the 105 as a dlna renderer.

I had seen some of the earlier discussions but struggled to understand under what circumstances one would use this thing called a CUE file and how they would be produced. The descriptions I read on Wikipedia raised more questions than answers.

However, I don't believe those previous posts answered my first question today on this topic, i.e. is the Oppo's gapless capability likely to get better with a future firmware update?

David
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Originally Posted by haggis999 View Post

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is a CUE file?

David
A quick Google search found this: CUE file Wikipedia site, which should give you a decent overview of what they are. Keep in mind that CUE files won't do you any good if you're using DLNA, so they probably aren't a practical solution for you.
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Originally Posted by haggis999 View Post

Ah, now I understand. When you say "via the network" you are talking about what I believe is called an SMB connection.
Doesn't anyone read my posts??? biggrin.gif
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I was aware that active USB cables existed but was unsure if they were a practical solution for this application. However, they are cheap enough that I might just give one a try.
If the cable is working properly it should work just fine for that purpose, but I don't think anybody has reported any results of attempts to use one. Like you say though, they're inexpensive enough that it's worth a try. I do have a Startech USB over CAT5/CAT6 extender around, so I could give it a try at some point, but it would be a bit of a PITA to setup the test.
post #7167 of 10046
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

A quick Google search found this: CUE file Wikipedia site, which should give you a decent overview of what they are. Keep in mind that CUE files won't do you any good if you're using DLNA, so they probably aren't a practical solution for you.
Doesn't anyone read my posts??? biggrin.gif
If the cable is working properly it should work just fine for that purpose, but I don't think anybody has reported any results of attempts to use one. Like you say though, they're inexpensive enough that it's worth a try. I do have a Startech USB over CAT5/CAT6 extender around, so I could give it a try at some point, but it would be a bit of a PITA to setup the test.

I had missed your earlier post while preparing a reply to someone else, just like you missed mine about the Wikipedia entry on CUE files raising more questions than answers smile.gif

The last thing I would wish is to be a PITA but if you are able to run a test on your Startech USB cable without too much hassle then it would certainly be very useful (if it genuinely proves to be a PITA then please don't do it). My Scottish origins mean that I would prefer to avoid buying a cable that doesn't work!

David
Edited by haggis999 - 9/11/13 at 11:08am
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Where did you find my photo? I thought I had destroyed them all.
post #7170 of 10046
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Originally Posted by Process53 View Post

^^ I have no idea where the output of your 105 is going but my personal experience was that lowering the 105 volume output from 100 to something much lower (48 in my case) vastly improved the sound including a much more noticable and richer low end.

There should be no difference in quality based on the methodology the DAC uses for volume control. If there is this is definitely a bug. I will have to try this later to see.

Cheers.
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