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post #7171 of 10074
Earlier posts today on gapless audio playback have suggested that the Oppo will do gapless if you use digital inputs such as USB or SPDIF. However, my only currently available digital option is via one of the Oppo's HDMI inputs - and my tests show that this does not operate without gaps. Can anyone explain why HDMI fails in this respect while USB and SPDIF do not?

David
post #7172 of 10074
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

There should be no difference in quality based on the methodology the DAC uses for volume control. If there is this is definitely a bug. I will have to try this later to see.

Cheers.
It has nothing to do, in particular, with how the volume control operates in the 105's dac's. Raising any volume control will increase the output voltage on the analog outs. And if that increased voltage overdrives/clips your preamp/pre-pro/power amp, then it will affect the overall sound you hear coming out of your speakers...
post #7173 of 10074
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by haggis999 View Post

Earlier posts today on gapless audio playback have suggested that the Oppo will do gapless if you use digital inputs such as USB or SPDIF. However, my only currently available digital option is via one of the Oppo's HDMI inputs - and my tests show that this does not operate without gaps. Can anyone explain why HDMI fails in this respect while USB and SPDIF do not?

Are the file types, resolution, and bit rate different between the files? If yes, then this would cause your errors as they HDMI connection would have to handshake the new signal every time there is a new file being played back.

Ensure that you are using a playback program that does not have gapless playback issues.

Try changing Playback Devices->Properties->Advanced to the lowest and highest settings and see i f there is a change in performance.
post #7174 of 10074
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Originally Posted by Process53 View Post

^^ I have no idea where the output of your 105 is going but my personal experience was that lowering the 105 volume output from 100 to something much lower (48 in my case) vastly improved the sound including a much more noticable and richer low end.

There should be no difference in quality based on the methodology the DAC uses for volume control. If there is this is definitely a bug. I will have to try this later to see.

Cheers.

 

In his case, the 105 analog outputs were overloading his preamp inputs. His preamp outputs also overloaded his power amplifier inputs as well. So he was hearing distortion from two sources which caused him to lower the Oppo volume outputs to eliminate the annoying distortion.

post #7175 of 10074
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Are the file types, resolution, and bit rate different between the files? If yes, then this would cause your errors as they HDMI connection would have to handshake the new signal every time there is a new file being played back.

Ensure that you are using a playback program that does not have gapless playback issues.

Try changing Playback Devices->Properties->Advanced to the lowest and highest settings and see i f there is a change in performance.

All my tests today have been done using my recording of Beethoven's Eroica Variations (as described in more detail in an earlier post). All my tests have also used J River Media Center, which proved able to play this work without gaps via my sound card and a connection to my stereo system, i.e. without any use of the Oppo.

This Beethoven recording was ripped to FLAC files using dBpoweramp and JRMC shows that each track has a different bit rate (not something I'd ever noticed before). Is that unusual? If so, how would I fix it?

I tried making one adjustment to the Playback Devices->Properties->Advanced settings (CD quality for shared mode, whatever that is) but it made no difference to the gaps. When I returned to Playback Devices->Properties->Advanced settings I hit what has become a very frequent and irritating problem, which is that the Oppo device is shown as 'Not plugged in', which is manifestly untrue. The only way I have ever found to reactivate the Oppo device in this situation is to reboot my Windows 7 PC.

David
post #7176 of 10074
Your suggestion that the Oppo is 'handshaking' the HDMI connection for each track looks plausible. The main Oppo logo screen appears between each track and every track in the playlist is displayed on the television screen as being track 1 of 1.

David
post #7177 of 10074
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

In his case, the 105 analog outputs were overloading his preamp inputs. His preamp outputs also overloaded his power amplifier inputs as well. So he was hearing distortion from two sources which caused him to lower the Oppo volume outputs to eliminate the annoying distortion.

Ah, got it. Thanks.

Cheers.
post #7178 of 10074
Statement from Oppo about gapless playback
No one here answered my earlier question about whether there was any chance that a future firmware update from Oppo might fix the current poor support for gapless playback, so I sent my question direct to Oppo UK. I have just received the following reply from one of the OPPO European Support Engineers:

"Gapless playback is under development and will be added in a future firmware. I have no date for this yet. The plan is that the HDMI input also will support gapless playback if possible".

The first sentence of that reply relates to my question about gapless playback via DLNA.

David
post #7179 of 10074
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Originally Posted by haggis999 View Post

Statement from Oppo about gapless playback
No one here answered my earlier question about whether there was any chance that a future firmware update from Oppo might fix the current poor support for gapless playback, so I sent my question direct to Oppo UK. I have just received the following reply from one of the OPPO European Support Engineers:

"Gapless playback is under development and will be added in a future firmware. I have no date for this yet. The plan is that the HDMI input also will support gapless playback if possible".

The first sentence of that reply relates to my question about gapless playback via DLNA.

David

Awesome!
post #7180 of 10074
All,

I just took delivery of a new BDP-105 and I wanted to pick your brain a bit on how best to connect this beast to our media room. Currently - we the following gear in play:

Sources

1. Custom built HTPC running J.River Media Center (Music, Movies and Images)
2. Oppo BDP-83 (All disc based Movies)
3. Pace 758D Set top box (TV/Cable)

AV/Switching

1. Pioneer Elite VSX-23THX AVR for all HDMI Sources above
2. Creek EVO 5350 Integrated (For 2 channel analog listening)

Displays:

1. 42 inch Samsung LCD TV
2. Epson 3020 Home Cinema Projector.

Source Material

1. 75000+ FLAC audio tracks
2. 250+ MKV Movies (Ripped)
3. 250+ Disc based movies (BR/DVD)

Software

1. J.River Media Center v18
2. JRemote (Via iPad)
3. Soon to be Oppo media app (Via iPad)

With the myriad of connection options with the Oppo - I am having a hard time wrapping my mind on exactly how to best get the new Oppo to tie this all together. We have two basic needs - Big screen loud ass multichannel Movies and highest quality music via analog (TT), digital (FLAC) and disc based media.

Firstly - music - It's obvious that I would take the dedicated stereo analog pair out of the Oppo and into the Creek. (CD Input).

Q1: So this takes care of playing audio via normal disc based media. But what of my digital collection (Networked) via J.River. How best to use J.River/J.Remote to select my album and have the PC route that selection to the Oppo and then to the Creek? I am assuming J.River via DNLA to the Oppo?

Q2: Would one even bother to connect the actual HTPC to the Oppo to use it's USB/DAC in for music? I am thinking the DNLA route would be way more flexible.

Movies - we have had some issues with HDMI handshaking and so on when connecting the HTPC to the Pioneer - and then having the Pioneer correct route the video to the Epson PJ via it's own HDMI Outs.

Q3: I am wondering what would happen if I connected the HTPC to the Oppo via it's HDMI In. AND then ran the Oppo HDMI Out 1 to the Projector? Since we use J.River Theater View to select movies - would Theater View appear on my Projector going right thru the Oppo? This way I could remove the AVR from the chain entirely and let the Oppo process both the video AND audio content of all movies coming from the PC.

Q3a: Do I even need a HTPC at all if the Oppo can simply read the FLAC/MKV files from the network? While I am assuming it can - I would lose the options/flexibility of the J.River engine and all it's goodness.

Finally - audio out. With the dedicated stereo outs going to Creek - 2 channel is cased. But I really want to stop bitstreaming to the AVR via HDMI and use the Oppo multichannel analog outs (To take full advantage of the Sabre ESS) to connect to the Pioneer Elite analog ins.

Appreciate anything to get me started...very excited to get this going this weekend.

Cheers!

VP
post #7181 of 10074
Hi VP,
You are years ahead of me in ripping your media and I am only a few weeks ahead of you in using a BDP-105, so I'm no resident guru on this forum. That said, here are some initial reactions to some of your questions,

  • Be aware of the current lack of gapless playback via DLNA (see recent posts on this topic). This really matters if you are into classical music.
  • Others here say that the USB DAC connection can provide gapless playback when driven from JRMC so that might justify making a direct connection from your HTPC.

David
post #7182 of 10074
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Originally Posted by haggis999 View Post

Others here say that the USB DAC connection can provide gapless playback when driven from JRMC so that might justify making a direct connection from your HTPC.

I do get nice clean gapless using the Teac UD-501 via USB with J.River (my headphone station in the studio).

And thanks for the reminder - gapless is very important in the overall presentation to me. smile.gif

VP
post #7183 of 10074
Hey guys!!!!

New to oppo, got my oppo 105 couple of months back and couldn't be happy since then.

I was in market to get pre/pro and amp, got finalized on the mx-121 and mc8207. At the final moment had to back out on MX and just got MC8207 and then was looking for something to power my 805 Diamonds.

Did some search and got oppo 105 to run as pre for Mcintosh 8207 using XLRs.

I'm using sonos, NAS and cds for music and NAS, Brays and cable box for video.

I just have one problem while watching tv, it skips the volume for few seconds from adds to programs and programs to add.

Please let me know if there is some setting that I can modify.


Thanks
post #7184 of 10074
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Originally Posted by filjosh View Post


I just have one problem while watching tv, it skips the volume for few seconds from adds to programs and programs to add.
That's usually a sign of an HDMI handshake. Everytime the sound changes (probably from Dolby Digital on a show to mono or stereo for the ads), the Oppo has to recheck the HDMI validation because the signal type changes a bit. Which HDMI out on the Oppo are you using? HDMI-2 can sometimes get better results than HDMI-1.
post #7185 of 10074
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Originally Posted by filjosh View Post


I just have one problem while watching tv, it skips the volume for few seconds from adds to programs and programs to add.
That's usually a sign of an HDMI handshake. Everytime the sound changes (probably from Dolby Digital on a show to mono or stereo for the ads), the Oppo has to recheck the HDMI validation because the signal type changes a bit. Which HDMI out on the Oppo are you using? HDMI-2 can sometimes get better results than HDMI-1.

OPPO reported that there's a longer audio transition delay (new audio handshake) for the HDMI Input than they think ought to be possible, and they are looking to improve it in future firmware, but no ETA on that has been mentioned.
--Bob
post #7186 of 10074
I'm using a DirecTV HD-DVR to our Oppo 105 via HDMI. Often there is no audio when changing from a program that has changed the aspect ratio, e.g., PBS, back to a 16 X 9 program. Cycling the power of the 105 has been the only way I've found to restore audio. Is this a known problem with the current firmware?

db
post #7187 of 10074
I need help guys. I have a party tomorrow and cannot stream music to my BDP 105 from my Mac using the asynchronous USB. I have set up the computer output to Oppo in the system preferences. When usb is connected, no sound comes out. When I take the USB out, the computer speakers take over. Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to change anything in the Oppo menu?

Advice will be appreciated and thanks in advance!
post #7188 of 10074
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Originally Posted by gago1101 View Post

I need help guys. I have a party tomorrow and cannot stream music to my BDP 105 from my Mac using the asynchronous USB. I have set up the computer output to Oppo in the system preferences. When usb is connected, no sound comes out. When I take the USB out, the computer speakers take over. Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to change anything in the Oppo menu?

Advice will be appreciated and thanks in advance!

Are you selecting the USB audio in input in the Oppo?
post #7189 of 10074
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Originally Posted by gago1101 View Post

I need help guys. I have a party tomorrow and cannot stream music to my BDP 105 from my Mac using the asynchronous USB. I have set up the computer output to Oppo in the system preferences. When usb is connected, no sound comes out. When I take the USB out, the computer speakers take over. Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to change anything in the Oppo menu?

Advice will be appreciated and thanks in advance!

Make sure you are using the correct input socket on the 105 -- the square shaped socket on the back panel, not one of the thin rectangular USB sockets. You will need a cable that has the thin rectangular plug for the Mac end and the square plug for the OPPO end.

Press Input on the OPPO remote and select the Asynchronous USB Audio input from the pop-up menu.
--Bob
post #7190 of 10074
I am almost at the point to buy a BDP-105 later this week.

To be honest I haven't read all 240 pages of this thread, but I did understand that the BDP-105 doesn't play ISO files.

Apart from creating ISO files I could also copy complete file structure from my DVD's or BluRay's to my hard disk. Can
the Oppo BDP-105 handle / play this and does it than support the complete menu's, subtitles, etc. ?
post #7191 of 10074
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Originally Posted by nlrela View Post

I am almost at the point to buy a BDP-105 later this week.

To be honest I haven't read all 240 pages of this thread, but I did understand that the BDP-105 doesn't play ISO files.

Apart from creating ISO files I could also copy complete file structure from my DVD's or BluRay's to my hard disk. Can
the Oppo BDP-105 handle / play this and does it than support the complete menu's, subtitles, etc. ?

No, it does not.

At this time it does play AVCHD directories and there are tricks to make a Blu-ray copy look like AVCHD. I would not expect this techniques to last forever. The studios don't want you playing copies and they dictate what the player manufacturers can do.

-Bill
post #7192 of 10074
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

No, it does not.

At this time it does play AVCHD directories and there are tricks to make a Blu-ray copy look like AVCHD. I would not expect this techniques to last forever. The studios don't want you playing copies and they dictate what the player manufacturers can do.

-Bill

Thanks a lot for your fast response Bill

Hmm, so I might have to keep my PopcornHour A-400 next to it ...
post #7193 of 10074
moved to Receiver forum
Edited by Lonely Raven - 9/14/13 at 10:24am
post #7194 of 10074
You should ask in the receiver forum.

S~
post #7195 of 10074
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

You should ask in the receiver forum.

S~

10-4

Posting there now instead. Thanks!
post #7196 of 10074
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Welcome to AVSForum.

That is correct. As stated just a few posts above yours:

The player does not support PGS/SUP subtitles in MKV, although they do work in M2TS containers. There is a free utility BDSup2Sub which will convert PGS/SUP to hidef VOBSUB format, which the player does support.

-Bill

BDSUp2Sub works well however fancier subs with graphics will not look as good.

Couple other notes -

Use mkvtools to extract the pgs subs and then to remux back into the mkv container

If you set the sub to default, or forced flag to yes, oppo will still not enable it by default.

If you add a title to the sub, oppo will not show it (e.g. "English sub - directors commentary').

I have a lot of mkvs so i wrote a python program to automate a lot of this. I also saved the pgs subs in case support does materialize so i can remux them back in. Mostly because the subs with graphics look like crap converted.

Would be nice if the forced flag was supported.
post #7197 of 10074
OK, so I had some friends over last night and we were playing with the USB DAC on the Oppo. It sounds great! But I have one small issue I'm figuring it just a setting.

I'm using the Oppo in a 2.1 setup with the two channel analog outs going to my Decware Zen tube amp and Decware MG944 speakers. The sub-woofer out on the 7.1 output is going to my Behringer EP4000 and Maelstrom X with speakers set to small and X-over set to 40 - sounds amazing and nobody listening has caught on that the main speakers aren't doing all the bass (which means I got it dialed in well I guess).

The problem is when streaming from my PC to the USB input on the Oppo, I have no subwoofer. It seems to only work when music is played directly from the Oppo (CD/Hard Drive/Flash Drive/Movie)

What am I missing here to get the sub working on USB DAC?
post #7198 of 10074
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Originally Posted by Lonely Raven View Post

OK, so I had some friends over last night and we were playing with the USB DAC on the Oppo. It sounds great! But I have one small issue I'm figuring it just a setting.

I'm using the Oppo in a 2.1 setup with the two channel analog outs going to my Decware Zen tube amp and Decware MG944 speakers. The sub-woofer out on the 7.1 output is going to my Behringer EP4000 and Maelstrom X with speakers set to small and X-over set to 40 - sounds amazing and nobody listening has caught on that the main speakers aren't doing all the bass (which means I got it dialed in well I guess).

The problem is when streaming from my PC to the USB input on the Oppo, I have no subwoofer. It seems to only work when music is played directly from the Oppo (CD/Hard Drive/Flash Drive/Movie)

What am I missing here to get the sub working on USB DAC?
105 audio processing, including crossover processing, is bypassed when using the usb dac input...To me, the usb dac input is just a selling ploy. I will never be using that port for the life of my 105, and I would have paid the same price for the unit without that hardware.
Edited by DanF8500 - 9/15/13 at 9:45am
post #7199 of 10074
Well everything is a selling ploy of course. But direct (unprocessed) access to the DACs was one of the most requested features.
--Bob
post #7200 of 10074
So I got mine this weekend, and the thing is just beautiful. I kind of wonder how much of that msrp is put into packaging and build quality, but no matter. It's quite the device. One question though that I'm having issues with.

Is it not possible to shuffle a hierarchy of folders from a USB drive? So for example my structure is this:

Drive > Music > Artist > Albums within artist > Songs within album.

Is there no way for me to shuffle this entire drive? I can't figure it out.
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