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post #7621 of 10177
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Well get in touch with them, anyway, as they may have additional suggestions for how to ferret this out. I can tell you that noise bursts like you are reporting are NOT normal, so there's definitely something the needs to hunted down and shot.

Be sure to let them know which firmware you are using in the 105: Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information > Main firmware version number.
--Bob

Thanks. Will do.
post #7622 of 10177
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Originally Posted by paul54 View Post

I see that some months ago there was an issue with bursts of a type of white or pink noise occurring during playback of audio from USB sources (not the asynchronous input).

........

There didn't seem to be a resolution the last time this was discussed (or at least not one that I've been able to find--apologies if my searching skills have let me down).

Anything new on this front? (I plan on calling Oppo tomorrow…)

Have you managed to determine whether it is always the same tracks, or whether it is only on bought (downloaded) tracks as opposed to tracks you have created yourself by ripping your own CD's, DVD's etc? There were reports of problems with some of the files bought from HD Tracks, and there was some speculation as to whether this was the fault of HD Tracks, or of the files provided to them by the original labels (some residue copy protection data or whatever).
post #7623 of 10177
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Originally Posted by madaudio View Post

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Originally Posted by paul54 View Post

I see that some months ago there was an issue with bursts of a type of white or pink noise occurring during playback of audio from USB sources (not the asynchronous input).

........

There didn't seem to be a resolution the last time this was discussed (or at least not one that I've been able to find--apologies if my searching skills have let me down).

Anything new on this front? (I plan on calling Oppo tomorrow…)

Have you managed to determine whether it is always the same tracks, or whether it is only on bought (downloaded) tracks as opposed to tracks you have created yourself by ripping your own CD's, DVD's etc? There were reports of problems with some of the files bought from HD Tracks, and there was some speculation as to whether this was the fault of HD Tracks, or of the files provided to them by the original labels (some residue copy protection data or whatever).

Listened for about 90 minutes this evening, trying to listen to the same tracks I heard the noise on, but no noise on those or any others. All the material on the drive was either from my CDs ripped in iTunes as ALAC, or they were iTunes AAC purchases (I was wrong in my previous post...the only FLAC files were on the thumb drives.) So that's it for file types.
post #7624 of 10177
After doing some more listening, I found a song in which the noise occurred at the same point in the song on every play. I rebooted the Oppo, no change. It was an Apple lossless file. I went to my iMac and listened in iTunes and could not hear a problem in the area. I copied the song file to a thumb drive and played IT on the Oppo, and the noise occurred in the same point in the song as in the hard drive version. So what do we have? A corrupt file that for some reason my Mac can play but the Oppo cannot??? Error correction better in iMac/iTunes than Oppo? Does that make sense?

I'm going to go back to my first thumb drive where I heard the problems and see if they are repeatable and if there is some trait the files have in common. (And take notes this time as to which ones are the problem files!)
post #7625 of 10177
^ You can loan the thumb drive to OPPO and they can check it out that file.
--Bob
post #7626 of 10177
Hi

I have a question about the audio processing difference between a PC connected to Oppo 105's USB DAC port and its HDMI input port.

My intention is to use the analog output from Oppo to listen to music stored on the home network that the PC have access to.

I understand the capability of the USB DAC port allows the PC to use Oppo as its sound card and leveraging the Sabre DAC chip. But I am wondering is there a difference of this connection compared with a HDMI based connection between the PC and the Oppo?

Thanks

Li
post #7627 of 10177
Thread Starter 
Asynchronous USB will have no reclocking, no jitter, and no secondary processing. Is is direct to the DAC. HDMI will have high rates of jitter (by design) and will allow the player to do additional audio processing prior to going to the DAC.
post #7628 of 10177
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

Hi

I have a question about the audio processing difference between a PC connected to Oppo 105's USB DAC port and its HDMI input port.

My intention is to use the analog output from Oppo to listen to music stored on the home network that the PC have access to.

I understand the capability of the USB DAC port allows the PC to use Oppo as its sound card and leveraging the Sabre DAC chip. But I am wondering is there a difference of this connection compared with a HDMI based connection between the PC and the Oppo?

Thanks

Li

If you plan to use the Oppo to play the files directly from the network via SMB or DLNA (instead of using the PC as player), note that the Oppo does not support gapless playback.
post #7629 of 10177
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Asynchronous USB will have no reclocking, no jitter, and no secondary processing. Is is direct to the DAC. HDMI will have high rates of jitter (by design) and will allow the player to do additional audio processing prior to going to the DAC.
DLNA will had NETWORK jitter- but not playback jitter. It will just have larger de-jitter buffers to compensate for the variation in packet arrival rates.

If you are on a wired, switched home network, you will never encounter any network jitter significant enough to blow out any competently-allocated de-jitter buffer.
This is true even with multichannel high-resolution lossless audio. Net: you will have no jitter entering the DAC and no audible jitter in the output.
post #7630 of 10177
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Originally Posted by SHadoWFoX View Post

Hi

I have a question about the audio processing difference between a PC connected to Oppo 105's USB DAC port and its HDMI input port.

My intention is to use the analog output from Oppo to listen to music stored on the home network that the PC have access to.

I understand the capability of the USB DAC port allows the PC to use Oppo as its sound card and leveraging the Sabre DAC chip. But I am wondering is there a difference of this connection compared with a HDMI based connection between the PC and the Oppo?

Thanks

Li

In both cases (USB DAC or HDMI) you PC will be doing the rendering of your music files into "digital audio" and, if you use the Analog outputs of the OPPO, the OPPO will be doing the conversion of the digital audio to ANALOG audio for those outputs.

Contrast with using the attached disc, or network streaming features of the OPPO, where the OPPO gets the music files from the source and renders those into digital audio itself.

In the first case, the choice to use HDMI over the USB DAC input usually comes down to two questions:

1) Do you want to play multi-channela audio? If so, use HDMI. THE USB DAC input is limited to stereo LPCM (up to 192KHz 24-bit).

2) Do you want to use the audio processing features with Analog audio output in the OPPO? These would include Crossover processing, Speaker distance adjustment, and things like DTS NEO:6. If so, use HDMI. The USB DAC input sends the stereo LPCM input STRAIGHT to the DACS for conversion to Analog -- bypassing all such processing in the OPPO.

Of course if you want to play video with audio, then again HDMI is the way to go as the USB DAC input is audio-only.

If none of the above apply, then you have a good candidate case for using the USB DAC input from your PC. It is by far the "simplest" signal path for getting digital stereo audio (as rendered in your PC) to the Analog output DACs of the OPPO. (The unprocessed digital audio signal is also output on the digital outputs of the OPPO if you want to use it that way, too.)
--Bob
post #7631 of 10177
Neuromancer, Alonwa and LairdWilliams:

Thanks for your responses. Initially I will just use iTunes for playback and use Oppo's analog output. A bit inconvenient but it is a start. Everything in my setup is wired so I am glad it will keep the jitter away. Eventually I like to move towards a mobile device based control and there are so many ways to do that. I am going to pick up the unit tomorrow and will spend sometime with the two different connection. If HDMI based connection can produce the same sound quality then I will use it as it is a simpler setup.
post #7632 of 10177
Hi Bob,

Thanks for your points for consideration. I don't have the need for multi-channel audio right now. i also don't think I need the processing either.

However I will be watching video from the PC on my TV display and I am hoping passing the video through Oppo can bring some improvement on the picture quality. Is there any harm in having both USB DAC and HDMI hook up at the same time?

cheers,

Li
post #7633 of 10177
^ No problem having them both wired all the time, but the OPPO will only use one at a time for Input.
--Bob
post #7634 of 10177
New 105 owner here! Replacing a 93 so the initial cabling was easy enough :-). First playback was the DVD-A of Talking Heads Remain In Light. Superb!
post #7635 of 10177
New Oppo owner here also. Upgraded from an Oppo 83 SE NuForce edition.

I received the unit yesterday, spent an hour connecting my many sources. I was able to listen to a couple of SACD selections,and some streamed music from my computers.

I put in my info for Netflix, everything was nice and snappy.......then... As I was setting up Pandora, upon entering my password, the screen on my Samsung began flickering. I was no longer able to select characters for my password.

I then tried to use the "go back" button....nothing. Then tried to power down via the remote....nothing. I then attempted to power down via the button on the unit, no luck there either.

I finally had to pull the plug to shut it off. After a few minutes, I plugged it back in and attempted, again, to set up Pandora. Same thing occurred, except this time a piercing "siren" type sound blared out of all my speakers.

After unplugging and then replugging in the unit and powering it on, it had no display nor could I operate the disc draw.

Called Oppo and they are sending an advance replacement unit with an RMA slip enclosed. I'm going to have to wait till next Wednesday now for delivery. I'll keep you posted.
post #7636 of 10177
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Originally Posted by JBRare View Post

New Oppo owner here also. Upgraded from an Oppo 83 SE NuForce edition.

I received the unit yesterday, spent an hour connecting my many sources. I was able to listen to a couple of SACD selections,and some streamed music from my computers.

I put in my info for Netflix, everything was nice and snappy.......then... As I was setting up Pandora, upon entering my password, the screen on my Samsung began flickering. I was no longer able to select characters for my password.

I then tried to use the "go back" button....nothing. Then tried to power down via the remote....nothing. I then attempted to power down via the button on the unit, no luck there either.

I finally had to pull the plug to shut it off. After a few minutes, I plugged it back in and attempted, again, to set up Pandora. Same thing occurred, except this time a piercing "siren" type sound blared out of all my speakers.

After unplugging and then replugging in the unit and powering it on, it had no display nor could I operate the disc draw.

Called Oppo and they are sending an advance replacement unit with an RMA slip enclosed. I'm going to have to wait till next Wednesday now for delivery. I'll keep you posted.

That sux. Sorry to hear that. But, you just found out how good OPPO customer service is.

Welcome to the 105 family!
post #7637 of 10177
For the past week or so when I've tried checking for a Firmware Update (I know there isn't one) it fails with "Cannot connect to server."

Yet, I can access the Internet just fine (I'm listening to Pandora now.)

Is this a known issue?
post #7638 of 10177
Thanks for the warm welcome. It helps to soothe my disappointment. I've been reading this thread for some time, and it helped me decide to purchase the 105.

I have nothing but respect for the folks who post here. This is a great resource.
post #7639 of 10177
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kucharsk View Post

For the past week or so when I've tried checking for a Firmware Update (I know there isn't one) it fails with "Cannot connect to server."

Yet, I can access the Internet just fine (I'm listening to Pandora now.)

Is this a known issue?

Sometimes the player just can't get to the Amazon server that hosts the firmware. The best solution is downloading the firmware manually and upgrading it using the USB or the CD method.
post #7640 of 10177
Just picked up my 105 from Magnolia this evening. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Can't wait to hook it up but that can only be this Saturday or Sunday. mad.gif

Meanwhile I am checking to make sure I have all the cables. smile.gif
post #7641 of 10177
OK I'm confused by this passage in the manual:

Stereo Signal
: To select the audio source that will be processed and sent out through the STEREO
and the XLR BALANCED STEREO audio terminals. The available options are:

x Down-mixed Stereo
– The stereo or down-mixed stereo signals are processed and sent out
from the dedicated stereo output terminals.

x Front Left/Right
– The original Front Left (FL) and Front Right (FR) signals are sent out
from the dedicated stereo output terminals. The purpose is to fully utilize the better DAC
hardware originally assigned to the dedicated stereo outputs for customers who prefer multi-
channel speakers and do not need the dedicated stereo
output or zone 2 output. When this option is selected, the dedicated stereo output ports should be used as the Front outputs of
the 7.1ch / 5.1ch / Stereo Audio group. The original FL/FR RCA connectors should not be connected.

I listen to a mix of stereo music, surround music (SACD) and surround movies. I have one receiver and it's connected to the Oppo via analog cables (i.e. I want the Oppo doing all DAC work). The way I read this is that I should choose "Front Left/Right" and connect the "dedicated stereo outputs" from the Oppo to the FL/FR inputs on the receiver. Would that provide the optimal sound quality for both stereo and surround source material?

Also what does it mean that "the stereo signals are processed" as opposed to "the FL/FR signals are sent out"? Am I missing out on some Oppo "fairy dust" processing by using one vs. the other?
post #7642 of 10177
^^

Yes, I'd suggest using the "Front Left/Right" option in your case as the DAC implementation for the dedicated outputs is a bit better than the DAC implementation for the multichannel outputs. This will give you the best output quality the player is capable of for all channels.

"Processed" just means that any bass management, speaker distance settings, and/or downmixing is done as needed to comply with the configuration you've specified in the Oppo's setup.
post #7643 of 10177
^ Use Front Left/Right, and cable the Dedicated Stereo L/R pair in lieu of the normal LF/RF pair from the multi-channel set *UNLESS* you want to cable multi-channel and stereo separately.

There are multiple reasons why you MIGHT want to cable them separately -- for example you may want to run the Stereo pair to a separate, Stereo amp and speaker system, or to an external Headphones amp.

If you want to cable multi-channel and stereo separately then, of course, you should use Down-Mixed Stereo, and cable the normal LF/RF outputs as part of your multi-channel run.
--Bob
post #7644 of 10177
Greetings, all. I'm an old BDP-105 owner. I recently purchased a Samsung OLED TV, and now I have a lip-sync problem when I play Blu-rays. It's not severe (between 0 and -10 ms) but I don't see how I can fix it, with the Oppo's sync adjustments set in increments of 10. Have there been any 105 updates with regard to AV Sync? I'd like to continue using my 105 as a prepro for audio, while I send video directly to the TV.
post #7645 of 10177
Thanks Bob and gsr!
post #7646 of 10177
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View PostGreetings, all. I'm an old BDP-105 owner. I recently purchased a Samsung OLED TV, and now I have a lip-sync problem when I play Blu-rays. It's not severe (between 0 and -10 ms) but I don't see how I can fix it, with the Oppo's sync adjustments set in increments of 10. Have there been any 105 updates with regard to AV Sync? I'd like to continue using my 105 as a prepro for audio, while I send video directly to the TV.

Cool you must be one of the few, I saw and I was extremely impressed except for the curve, now when they are 85" wide and flat then I am all over it :)

post #7647 of 10177
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Greetings, all. I'm an old BDP-105 owner. I recently purchased a Samsung OLED TV, and now I have a lip-sync problem when I play Blu-rays. It's not severe (between 0 and -10 ms) but I don't see how I can fix it, with the Oppo's sync adjustments set in increments of 10. Have there been any 105 updates with regard to AV Sync? I'd like to continue using my 105 as a prepro for audio, while I send video directly to the TV.

At 24 frames per second (film rate) 10ms sync error is less than 1/4 of a frame time. Odds are the inherent sync error in the film itself is bigger than that -- and variable to boot.

How are you judging your sync error to that accuracy?

You may be hearing something different that you are perceiving as a sync error. In particular, double check that your speakers are all wired with matching Phase, and of course that the speaker distances are entered correctly.

If you are using external speakers, another thing to check is that the INTERNAL speakers in the TV are actually turned off! If the TV's speakers are still putting out audio, then what you are perceiving as sync error may actually be the timing difference between your normal speakers and the TV's built in speakers.
--Bob
post #7648 of 10177
Thanks, it's a amazing and lots of fun to watch...

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post #7649 of 10177
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

At 24 frames per second (film rate) 10ms sync error is less than 1/4 of a frame time. Odds are the inherent sync error in the film itself is bigger than that -- and variable to boot.

How are you judging your sync error to that accuracy?

You may be hearing something different that you are perceiving as a sync error. In particular, double check that your speakers are all wired with matching Phase, and of course that the speaker distances are entered correctly.

If you are using external speakers, another thing to check is that the INTERNAL speakers in the TV are actually turned off! If the TV's speakers are still putting out audio, then what you are perceiving as sync error may actually be the timing difference between your normal speakers and the TV's built in speakers.
--Bob
,

Thank you, Bob. It's such a pleasure to have you on this thread.

I was able to judge the error by simply going back and forth with the Audio sync adjustment on the Oppo, and noticing the changes on the screen. I will recheck all the connections for Phase and speaker distances to make sure it's correct.

I have the HDMI audio output set to off in the Oppo, so I can rule out the external speakers being on.

I will try sending the audio to the TV via HDMI and disconnecting my 5.1 system, as well, to see if the TV is working correctly.

I haven't checked the latest firmware, so I'll give that a shot too.
post #7650 of 10177

Any external hard-drive recommendations for the BDP-105?

Hi:

I currently have a BDP83 SE and I'm looking to upgrade to the DBP105. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good, inexpensive external hard-drive / network-attached storage (NAS) drive? Do I need a NAS drive to work with the Oppo or will any old USB-compatible hard-drive do? I've heard good things about the Western Digital myCloud and the Seagate Central...

Most of my music is already set up in folders so my plan is just to transfer the music to the drive, plug the drive into the Oppo, and never touch it again (it looks like the folder navigation options mentioned in the 105's owners manual should be sufficient to find the tunes I want to hear.) Can I manage / update the folders using the Oppo's menu (or would I need to reconnect the drive to a computer to do that)?

Thanks for the help.

Mike
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