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post #7771 of 10244
It is the same usb drive that was used to update to the beta firmware. And it see the .BIN file ok but it won't flash to the older firmware because it see that the current firmware (beta) is newer than what it on the flash drive.

Through google I have seen that there was some remote key combination that used on the oppo-93 that force it to re-flash but it did not seem to work on the oppo-105. I will try next with a real CD and see if it work better.
post #7772 of 10244
^ I wouldn't fallback to an earlier version of 105 firmware. JRiver and my 105 communicate fine with each other. I'm using Media Center 19.0.74 and the newest beta firmware for the 105. The 105 is functioning fine as a Media player and a Media renderer.
Edited by DanF8500 - 11/23/13 at 5:15pm
post #7773 of 10244
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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

I have just put the latest beta BDP10X-67-1120B on my oppo but I have just noticed that it does not see any more my JRiver DLNA server.
I don't know yet if it is something on my network or jriver or oppo that has a problem.

How do you put back an older firmware when you have one of the beta installed ?
If I put a thumb drive with the old version it says that I already have the new version.

Thank.

I am having the same issue.
post #7774 of 10244
Thanks for confirming that oppo has no problem with latest JRiver (I am using that version also). But I have something strange going on because my 3 other pc and notebook see the Jriver server and even my TV can see the Jriver DLNA server. Oppo on the other hand can only seen the Media Center DLNA but does not see the JRiver DLNA which are all hosted on the same machine.

Time to power cycle all my switches and routers.

Thanks.
post #7775 of 10244
I have installed the latest Public Beta Test FW and I love it! Great job OPPO!
post #7776 of 10244
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ I wouldn't fallback to an earlier version of 105 firmware. JRiver and my 105 communicate fine with each other. I'm using Media Center 19.0.74 and the newest beta firmware for the 105. The 105 is functioning fine as a Media player and a Media renderer.
Interestingly, I have the same issue as Dan. My JRMC 19.0.74 server does NOT show on the DLNA list on the 103 with the latest firmware. I tried several server-list refreshes to no avail (and some of the refreshes took a VERY long time - like minutes long)

The SMB mount for the same server (Majikthize) shows up fine, as do the empty DLNA server on my router, the SMB mounts on the other machines on the network, and the Logitech Media Server that I use for my Squeezebox Duet-based porch setup.

Interestingly enough, however, I can still use the 103 as a renderer using JRemote and the aformentioned JRMC server.
Sooooo....JRMC does not show up on my 103's server list, but they CAN talk to each other.

Wierd-ola.

Not a show-stopper in my case - I almost always use the Oppo as a renderer with JRMC and JRemote - but I can see why those who use the Oppo as a player rather than a renderer might be a bit put out.

As network configuration fodder:
Both my BDP-103 and the server running JRMC are wired to the network (no wireless) and are at fixed (manually-configured, no DHCP) IP addresses on the same subnet. I can ping the Oppo from the JRMC server just fine and, as I said earlier, I can use the Oppo as a renderer with that JRMC instance...so they CAN see each other just fine over the network.
post #7777 of 10244
Downloaded new firmware. Power On Volume, Maximum Volume, and Settings Management features are way cool! Way to go Oppo!
post #7778 of 10244
I updated the firmware and the MediaControl app this morning and now my ipad doesn't find the player anymore. It was working fine before. Anyone has experienced the same? Any suggestion of what may be happening?
post #7779 of 10244
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Originally Posted by afcintra View Post

I updated the firmware and the MediaControl app this morning and now my ipad doesn't find the player anymore. It was working fine before. Anyone has experienced the same? Any suggestion of what may be happening?
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Originally Posted by afcintra View Post

I updated the firmware and the MediaControl app this morning and now my ipad doesn't find the player anymore. It was working fine before. Anyone has experienced the same? Any suggestion of what may be happening?


Had same issue, latest Media Control update solves the issue.
post #7780 of 10244
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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

I have just put the latest beta BDP10X-67-1120B on my oppo but I have just noticed that it does not see any more my JRiver DLNA server.
I don't know yet if it is something on my network or jriver or oppo that has a problem.

How do you put back an older firmware when you have one of the beta installed ?
If I put a thumb drive with the old version it says that I already have the new version.

Thank.

I just installed the new beta firmware and have the same issue: my Oppo doesn't see my JRiver DLNA server. If I run JRiver on my PC, it can play files on the Oppo, but I prefer to play files from the Oppo using JRiver as a DLNA server. I guess I'll have to figure out how to go back to the previous firmware.

Added: It won't let me go back to the previous official release (BDP10X-60-0910). I put it on a USB thumb drive and tried; I get the message, "Your player already has a newer version...."

Correction: See my message 7804.
Edited by BillJulyan - 11/25/13 at 10:58am
post #7781 of 10244
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post

Interestingly, I have the same issue as Dan. My JRMC 19.0.74 server does NOT show on the DLNA list on the 103 with the latest firmware. I tried several server-list refreshes to no avail (and some of the refreshes took a VERY long time - like minutes long)

The SMB mount for the same server (Majikthize) shows up fine, as do the empty DLNA server on my router, the SMB mounts on the other machines on the network, and the Logitech Media Server that I use for my Squeezebox Duet-based porch setup.

Interestingly enough, however, I can still use the 103 as a renderer using JRemote and the aformentioned JRMC server.
Sooooo....JRMC does not show up on my 103's server list, but they CAN talk to each other.

Wierd-ola.

Not a show-stopper in my case - I almost always use the Oppo as a renderer with JRMC and JRemote - but I can see why those who use the Oppo as a player rather than a renderer might be a bit put out.

As network configuration fodder:
Both my BDP-103 and the server running JRMC are wired to the network (no wireless) and are at fixed (manually-configured, no DHCP) IP addresses on the same subnet. I can ping the Oppo from the JRMC server just fine and, as I said earlier, I can use the Oppo as a renderer with that JRMC instance...so they CAN see each other just fine over the network.

J River was able to find the BDP-103D and BDP-105 and play to them as renderer with versions 9.0..67 and 19.0.74.
That probably doesn't help but at least it does not appear to be a compatibility issue between J River and the latest firmware.

- Rich
post #7782 of 10244
Just to state the obvious, sometimes you need to restart a DLNA server after, e.g., a player firmware install, so that the DLNA server can rebuild what it thinks it knows about that device.
--Bob
post #7783 of 10244
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Originally Posted by BillJulyan View Post

. . . .
Added: It won't let me go back to the previous official release (BDP10X-60-0910). I put it on a USB thumb drive and tried; I get the message, "Your player already has a newer version...."

The previous Official firmware for the 105 is the 0719 release -- not the 0910 release. Roll backs need to go back to the prior Official release. Then you can roll forward again to an intervening Public Beta (0808B in this case) if you want to.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105-Support.aspx

To do a roll back, go into Setup and manually select to do an Update via USB.
--Bob
post #7784 of 10244
i've tested issue #12 :
Quote:
12. Resolved an incorrect audio Downmix issue on the Stereo audio outputs (BDP-105 only). Customers reported that after setting the "Stereo Signal" to "Front Left/Right", they could heard those surround channel audio from the dedicated Stereo audio outputs. This issue has been resolved

Still not working. I do have sound comming out of the right surround speaker, with DFF content from the usb drive.
post #7785 of 10244
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The previous Official firmware for the 105 is the 0719 release -- not the 0910 release. Roll backs need to go back to the prior Official release. Then you can roll forward again to an intervening Public Beta (0808B in this case) if you want to.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105-Support.aspx

To do a roll back, go into Setup and manually select to do an Update via USB.
--Bob

Yes, I did try to do that:
- put my USB thumb drive: BDP10X-58-0719 as file BDP10X.BIN
- went to the setup device firmware upgrade.

But then it says that I already have BDP10X-67-1120B and will not ask me to put the older firmware,
and then when it reach the MCU firmware it says that I have same MCU level do you want to re-flash, and what ever you choose it goes ahead and re-flash the MCU.

Did I miss anything ? I have not tried yet to do the firmware update using a CD yet to see if it does the same thing.
post #7786 of 10244
Audiman,
That's not the same issue as the reported fix. Call or email OPPO with the info you have.
--Bob
post #7787 of 10244
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The previous Official firmware for the 105 is the 0719 release -- not the 0910 release. Roll backs need to go back to the prior Official release. Then you can roll forward again to an intervening Public Beta (0808B in this case) if you want to.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105-Support.aspx

To do a roll back, go into Setup and manually select to do an Update via USB.
--Bob

The 0719 release is the one I tried (I just typed in the wrong number in my post after I tried it). I have just tried again with 0719 to be certain. It won't let me do it. I guess I'll have to wait for another release to fix the problem of not seeing JRiver's DLNA server on the network.

Correction: For a link to the proper version (not the one I tried or the one Bob suggested) see message 7804.
Edited by BillJulyan - 11/25/13 at 11:00am
post #7788 of 10244
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Just to state the obvious, sometimes you need to restart a DLNA server after, e.g., a player firmware install, so that the DLNA server can rebuild what it thinks it knows about that device.
--Bob
Gave it a try, Bob.

Turned the Oppo off. Shut down JRMC. Rebooted the server on which it runs. Restarted JRMC. Powered up the Oppo.

No Love. The PLAYER in the 103 still does not show my JRMC instance on the network server list, despite the fact that the SMB on the same server does show up on the list and DLNA instances on other servers also show up on the list. As before, I can still use the 103 successfully as a renderer with JRMC/JRemote.
post #7789 of 10244
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post

Gave it a try, Bob.

Turned the Oppo off. Shut down JRMC. Rebooted the server on which it runs. Restarted JRMC. Powered up the Oppo.

No Love. The PLAYER in the 103 still does not show my JRMC instance on the network server list, despite the fact that the SMB on the same server does show up on the list and DLNA instances on other servers also show up on the list. As before, I can still use the 103 successfully as a renderer with JRMC/JRemote.

Maybe I misunderstood.
J River shows the BDP-105 and BDP-103D as renderers and works properly in my system.

Browsing from the Network, I J River is not present as a DLNA share and it has never been there.
Is some additional configuration required for that?

- Rich
post #7790 of 10244
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Maybe I misunderstood.
J River shows the BDP-105 and BDP-103D as renderers and works properly in my system.

Browsing from the Network, I J River is not present as a DLNA share and it has never been there.
Is some additional configuration required for that?

- Rich
The problem being discussed here is the JRMC instance not showing up on the Network screen of the 103/105. This prevents people who are using the Oppo as a DLNA Player (something very specific in the DLNA world). DLNA Players do their own browsing for content from DLNA servers and "pull" the media that they want to play. When you go into the Oppo network screen, select a DLNA server, and then browse around the media using your TV display and the Oppo remote, you are using the Oppo as a DLNA player.

Until the most recent Beta, I have had no problem accessing my JRMC instance from the Oppo as a DLNA Player. No special settings needed other than turning on media network on JRMC and connecting the Oppo to the LAN.

When you use JRMCs native interface to PUSH media to the Oppo, you are not using the Oppo as a DLNA player. You are using it as a DLNA "Renderer". Similarly, when I use JRemote to tell JRMC to play media on the Oppo, I am still "pushing" the media to the Oppo and hence using it as a DLNA Renderer.

So the DLNA Renderer functionality appears to be fine in the current Beta....but something is snafu between JRMC and the DLNA Player functionality in the current beta.
Sounds like you are having a similar issue, which in your case may have pre-dated the new Beta.
post #7791 of 10244
^^^

Got it.

My files are stored on a ReadyNas Pro which J River also accesses.

My Marantz AV8801 and the Yamaha A820 so my BDP-10x's are showing the J River DLNA server and the BDP-105 and BDP-103 are not finding it.

- Rich
post #7792 of 10244
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

If you are using the Analog outputs of the 5900, I expect the BDP-105 is as good or better.

The 5900 has may have different bass management features so you should also make sure that the 105 meets your requirements.

- Rich

I took a glance at the user manual and it appears to have the x over frequencies I want and time delay settings but reading Secrets of Home Theater Review this worried me.
Quote:
Notes from Dr. David Rich regarding DSD vs. PCM modes: "I noted in the OPPO BDP-105 review you discussed issues of connecting an AVR so it would send DSD to the DACs. It is important to understand this will bypass the DSPs (multiple ones in a high end AVR). The room correction is lost, as is the added delay for distance correction. Surround synthesis overlays are lost (5 to 7 channels etc.). Bass management is lost. I would let the OPPO do the DSD to PCM conversion to bring all this back.

One might consider sending DSD as analog from the OPPO to the AVR (if the AVR has a 6 channel input), but these also bypass the DSP


The main reason I want this player is that my 5900 won't play all my sacd's anymore and since they sound better using the 5900's dac and dsp than my marantz av 8300's I'm going to need to have bass management available for the analog outs when playing sacd"s.
post #7793 of 10244
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

^^^

Got it.

My files are stored on a ReadyNas Pro which J River also accesses.

My Marantz AV8801 and the Yamaha A820 so my BDP-10x's are showing the J River DLNA server and the BDP-105 and BDP-103 are not finding it.

- Rich
Since I'm still running J River version 18, I did a quick check and the J River DLNA server isn't showing up on my BDP-103D, but should be. So the issue isn't isolated to J River version 19. I'm still running beta-tester firmware, so I'm not running the public beta version and I don't check this too often as I typically use DLNA for rendering and SMB if I use the Oppo's built in Network UI. Other DLNA servers in the house are showing up on the BDP-103D.
post #7794 of 10244
Hi guys.anyone tried to install this US beta firmware on an 105EU machine? Does it work?
THX
post #7795 of 10244
^ No. OPPO UK will post the EU players version of the firmware when it's ready. It usually takes a few days for them to complete the rebuild and testing.
--Bob
post #7796 of 10244
Quote:
Notes from Dr. David Rich regarding DSD vs. PCM modes: "I noted in the OPPO BDP-105 review you discussed issues of connecting an AVR so it would send DSD to the DACs. It is important to understand this will bypass the DSPs (multiple ones in a high end AVR). The room correction is lost, as is the added delay for distance correction. Surround synthesis overlays are lost (5 to 7 channels etc.). Bass management is lost. I would let the OPPO do the DSD to PCM conversion to bring all this back.

One might consider sending DSD as analog from the OPPO to the AVR (if the AVR has a 6 channel input), but these also bypass the DSP
 

Of course, the obvious alternative might be the optimal one:  Let the Oppo or AVR convert the DSD to PCM.  Avoids redundant A/D/A conversions and permits DSP.

post #7797 of 10244
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Of course, the obvious alternative might be the optimal one:  Let the Oppo or AVR convert the DSD to PCM.  Avoids redundant A/D/A conversions and permits DSP.

I guess I'm just not understanding his statement. What I want for sacd playback is the oppo to do bass management on the sacd 5.1 track and send the processed signal to it's analog outs. Obviously I would want bass management to happen to dsd but my denon didn't do that and I was fine with the sound even with the extra conversions. I'm pretty sure the denon does dsd to pcm - pld - dsp - pcm d/a
post #7798 of 10244
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy View Post

I guess I'm just not understanding his statement. What I want for sacd playback is the oppo to do bass management on the sacd 5.1 track and send the processed signal to it's analog outs. Obviously I would want bass management to happen to dsd but my denon didn't do that and I was fine with the sound even with the extra conversions. I'm pretty sure the denon does dsd to pcm - pld - dsp - pcm d/a

To get the best sound replication, you should let only one device do the conversion. Once you start getting into multiple conversions, it will add unwanted artifacts detrimental to the original recording. The OPPO does some things and the Denon does other things to the sound. I just have my 105 hooked up to my amp and let the OPPO do all of the conversions.

If you are fine with doing D/A in the OPPO and letting the Denon do A/D/A, that is your choice.

Remember, it must sound good to YOU and YOU alone.
post #7799 of 10244
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy View Post


I guess I'm just not understanding his statement. What I want for sacd playback is the oppo to do bass management on the sacd 5.1 track and send the processed signal to it's analog outs. Obviously I would want bass management to happen to dsd but my denon didn't do that and I was fine with the sound even with the extra conversions. I'm pretty sure the denon does dsd to pcm - pld - dsp - pcm d/a

The Oppo is similar.  It will do the bass management but that entails a PCM conversion.

post #7800 of 10244
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

The Oppo is similar.  It will do the bass management but that entails a PCM conversion.

Thanks Kal that's fine with me as long as it sounds as good or better than the Denon I will be happy.
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