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post #7861 of 10056
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Originally Posted by wappinghigh View Post

Whatever dude.. I bought it in March after reading this. Check the date.. smile.gif

http://www.stereophile.com/content/news-flash-oppo-now-plays-dsd-files

I never said I was ungrateful or resentful.. I was simply pointing out the deficiencies of DSD file handling. And that this will eventually limit the search and playability of these files (particularly from large libraries) via the Oppo because of the restriction to SMB mounting of these files

This is a fact. Take it or leave it.. smile.gif

You might want to read it again ---
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Most important, since it is at the top of the change list, is "support for Direct Stream Digital (DSD) file playback from local storage.
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Cheers.
post #7862 of 10056
^LOL! Sure.. You guys. I know all this..

Did I say I was bitter and twisted about it?

hahaha

Still can you deny it wouldn't be better all seamless via DLNA.. LOL!

Go on. Tell me the current implementation is better than a fully fledge DLNA streaming from an off player music library..
post #7863 of 10056

I Updated my OPPO105 to latest beta and have 2 trouble

 - mkv with resolution 720p 23.976 fps Oppo send to TV as 1080p60 (upscale to 1080p is OK, but 60 fps is not ok :( ) files 1080p are playing correctly. Previous firmvare 50-0422 played all this files whothout trouble

 

- Oppo doesn't play cue, which refer to file with Cyrillic name - it say "Unable to find the matching music file"

Does it meat that oppo support only non-english track names? but not files name?

 

May be I do something whrong. Please help me to find good way.

 

Best regards.

John

post #7864 of 10056
Welcome to AVSForum.
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Originally Posted by johnvp View Post

I Updated my OPPO105 to latest beta and have 2 trouble
 - mkv with resolution 720p 23.976 fps Oppo send to TV as 1080p60 (upscale to 1080p is OK, but 60 fps is not ok frown.gif  ) files 1080p are playing correctly. Previous firmvare 50-0422 played all this files whothout trouble

Could you confirm the firmware you have installed? The actual value?

I thought the frame rate was retained only for 1080 files, not 720 or 480. Are you certain this was working before? If so, write a report and get a sample file to OPPO.

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- Oppo doesn't play cue, which refer to file with Cyrillic name - it say "Unable to find the matching music file"
Does it meat that oppo support only non-english track names? but not files name?

I recall that CUE files can be in UTF8 encoding and should accept non-English file names, but I have not tested that. Perhaps it has not been thoroughly tested in the field.

In a similar case, external text subtitles can now be in UTF8 (although that has never been mentioned in the release notes) but the file must use a Byte Order Mark. BOM is optional in UTF8 but many utilities (=Microsoft's) use it and the player requires it.

You might try the same thing for CUE files. The player does have Cyrillic fonts.

-Bill
post #7865 of 10056
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Welcome to AVSForum.
Could you confirm the firmware you have installed? The actual value?

I thought the frame rate was retained only for 1080 files, not 720 or 480. Are you certain this was working before? If so, write a report and get a sample file to OPPO.
I recall that CUE files can be in UTF8 encoding and should accept non-English file names, but I have not tested that. Perhaps it has not been thoroughly tested in the field.

-Bill

 

Now I use firmware BDP10X-67-1120B, which I updated today. Before I used firmware 50-0422 about half year and didn't have any same trouble.

I didn't updated to 58-0719 because I read about bug with mkv 24. And after I read that this case fixed I decided to upgrade. 

Today I tested many files and all 720p24 played as 60 fps, but info button show 23,976 fps. I'm sure, that this case is constant and no depend of specific file.

I sent this information to OPPO support. May be they will fix it at official release.

 

I'll check encoding of my cue and whrite about results.

 

John

post #7866 of 10056
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Originally Posted by johnvp View Post

Today I tested many files and all 720p24 played as 60 fps, but info button show 23,976 fps.

I believe that has always been the case. The Info button shows you what is in the file, but the player does not produce 1080p24 when upscaling the file.

-Bill
post #7867 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

But since you point to Kal's article -- which by the way came out the day after Beta (not Official) software posted with these features -- you'll see that he was quite careful to report the limitations of this support: Directly attached storage only, just as OPPO described it in the Beta release notes. (He knew this well, because OPPO made a pre-release version of the firmware available to him for review.) As it turns out, this is a bit more restrictive than what the software actually allows, since he did not realize at the time that SMB servers could also be used.

Right.  That was a news report based on a limited time of use of the Beta firmware.  Since then, I have reported on the use of SMB servers with the Oppo and remain impressed with Oppo's general policy of responsive enhancements within the restrictions of a fixed hardware environment.

post #7868 of 10056
Thought I would share my latest beta firmware experiences (I had posted in the 103 thread but I have a 105):

MKV/PGS subs work both over SMB and DLNA*

* Works using PS3 Media Server (OS X Mavericks; no transcoding); Does not work using XBMC as DLNA server

MKV/PGS subs do not work when pushing content to the Oppo (DMR)

JRiver no longer is visible as a DLNA server (As pointed out in this thread and the other)

Embedded artwork in an MKV file actually displays if I hit stop while playback of the MKV using SMB; wish it would scan the MKVs and show it while scrolling through the list.
post #7869 of 10056
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Originally Posted by frank_t View Post


JRiver no longer is visible as a DLNA server (As pointed out in this thread and the other)
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Originally Posted by wappinghigh View Post


Still can you deny it wouldn't be better all seamless via DLNA.. LOL!

Go on. Tell me the current implementation is better than a fully fledge DLNA streaming from an off player music library..

The J River DLNA server is not my favorite choice for streaming with J River.
I believe DLNA uses the windows mixer which is fine but many feel it is not the best.
Of course, that does not matter for DSD streams.

The BDP-105 can use SMP to browse for files or you can use MediaControl to select files from playback.
The quality is excellent via this method but you lose the cataloging features of J River.

IMO, the best solution is to use the J River app since it provides the most elegant interface and it can be used to select files for playback that are then pushed via DLNA to your renderer, the BDP-105.

- Rich
post #7870 of 10056
Rich. Thanks for the help. I agree.. JRiver is the only way you can seriously push the Oppo105's UPnP to it's absolute limits smile.gif
post #7871 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

within the restrictions of a fixed hardware environment.

Exactly my point. For DSD it's a fixed hardware environment. Fixed to disc playback. Be it CD/SACD/attached USB or an SMB mount..either way it's disc related.

Several months ago I emailed Oppo support on this…after DSD files appeared as APE files within UPnP…. I asked them why. Was it hardware or software..what?

They never gave me a logical answer. They side stepped it.. I'm suspicious it's license related to SACD's.... I may well be wrong because nobody has given me a solid answer..

Anyway. Whatever the reason it's limiting customers use of the device as a hi-end true hi-rez HiFi streamer.. that's all I'm saying..
post #7872 of 10056
For whatever it's worth, this is my opinion, but I still would have bought the 105 even if it didn't have a usb dac interface. That's one feature I could easily live without. My goal was to be able to play back my media files without the need of a pc directly connected to the 105. I don't lose anything. I still get the highest quality playback the 105 has to offer with SMB shares or via DLNA. As for DSD playback, I would prefer the DoP DLNA implementation, but am happy that Oppo supports playback of DSD via SMB shares. Since all my files are on a network drive (NAS), I think the networking playback abilities of the 105 is a big selling point!
Edited by DanF8500 - 12/1/13 at 4:29pm
post #7873 of 10056
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Originally Posted by wappinghigh View Post

Rich. Thanks for the help. I agree.. JRiver is the only way you can seriously push the Oppo105's UPnP to it's absolute limits smile.gif

JRiver is quite nice.

The JRemote app is fantastic -- much better than Gizmo.

Only issue is the lack of consistency on the Oppo 105 when pushing vs pulling content.

Push MKV == no PGS subs, and weirdness with chapter skip forward (unless you actually do a pull first -- weird)

Pull using the Oppo UI well, it works: PGS subs work, but no nice library presentation.

It's been years and still there is no really great all-encompassing-solution. Seems there is always some little compromise.
post #7874 of 10056
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post


The J River DLNA server is not my favorite choice for streaming with J River.
I believe DLNA uses the windows mixer which is fine but many feel it is not the best.
Of course, that does not matter for DSD streams.

The BDP-105 can use SMP to browse for files or you can use MediaControl to select files from playback.
The quality is excellent via this method but you lose the cataloging features of J River.

IMO, the best solution is to use the J River app since it provides the most elegant interface and it can be used to select files for playback that are then pushed via DLNA to your renderer, the BDP-105.

- Rich
When you use the Oppo as a media renderer and push media to it from JRMC, you are still using the JRMC DLNA Server facilities.

In both cases, it is the OPPO doing the playback and the PC's sound hardware and mixer are completely irrelevant.

And actually, in both cases, the Oppo is going to the DLNA server to get the file.
The "push" is at least partly an illusion.

In the case where the Oppo is acting as a DLNA Player, the user was browsing the content directory on the server from the Oppo, the user selected a file to play on the Oppo, the Oppo knew, from the content directory, what the server URI for the selected content was, and then the OPPO went to that URI to fetch the media file in question.

In the case where the Oppo is acting as a DLNA Renderer, the user was browsing the content directory somewhere else (on JRMC itself, or on a remote DLNA Controller). When the user selected something to play, the controller app invoked the "SetAVTransportURI" on the Oppo, which basically tells the Oppo "hey, here is the URI for some media. Go play it". The OPPO then SHOULD go and do exactly the same thing it did in the prior scenario: it knows what media to go get and goes and fetches it from the server.

All of this is invisible to the end-user, of course. So it looks like you are pushing media to the Oppo when actually, you are just pushing the place to get the media, and the Oppo still goes and gets (pulls) the media itself. The net is that playback of any given file is identical, whether done via the Oppo's DLNA Player function or via its DLNA Renderer function.

Now, ease-of-use-wise....the DLNA Media BROWSER in the Oppo is fine, but it does not compare ease-of-use-wise to JRMC or a high-quality controller app like JRemote. But that has nothing to do with the sound hardware on the PC that is running JRMC.
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Originally Posted by frank_t 
Only issue is the lack of consistency on the Oppo 105 when pushing vs pulling content.

Push MKV == no PGS subs, and weirdness with chapter skip forward (unless you actually do a pull first -- weird)

Pull using the Oppo UI well, it works: PGS subs work, but no nice library presentation.
Obviously there is a subtle difference in playback of MKVs involving subtitles - there should not be - unless there is some difference in the way that the controller asks for playback vs how the Oppo does it internally. This could easily be a problem with the controller or JRMC rather than with the Oppo. JRMC may not be telling the Oppo to use the subtitles, for example. Or the Oppo may be ignoring that parameter in the SetAVTransportURI handler.
Edited by LairdWilliams - 12/1/13 at 4:50pm
post #7875 of 10056
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post

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The OPPO then SHOULD go and do exactly the same thing it did in the prior scenario: it knows what media to go get and goes and fetches it from the server.
All of this is invisible to the end-user, of course. So it looks like you are pushing media to the Oppo when actually, you are just pushing the place to get the media, and the Oppo still goes and gets (pulls) the media itself.

The net is that playback of any given file is identical, whether done via the Oppo's DLNA Player function or via its DLNA Renderer function.
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Laird, what about transcoding? If JRMC has been programmed to transcode the media file, the 105 just can't get it off the server as is. Just wondering how that functions....I'm not transcoding my files by no stretch of the imagination...jut asking the question.
post #7876 of 10056
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post



Now, ease-of-use-wise....the DLNA Media BROWSER in the Oppo is fine, but it does not compare ease-of-use-wise to JRMC or a high-quality controller app like JRemote. But that has nothing to do with the sound hardware on the PC that is running JRMC.
Obviously there is a subtle difference in playback of MKVs involving subtitles - there should not be - unless there is some difference in the way that the controller asks for playback vs how the Oppo does it internally. This could easily be a problem with the controller or JRMC rather than with the Oppo. JRMC may not be telling the Oppo to use the subtitles, for example. Or the Oppo may be ignoring that parameter in the SetAVTransportURI handler.


Interesting... I did email Oppo about this as well.

Thanks for the informative post.
post #7877 of 10056
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Laird, what about transcoding? If JRMC has been programmed to transcode the media file, the 105 just can't get it off the server as is. Just wondering how that functions....I'm not transcoding my files by no stretch of the imagination...jut asking the question.
You are right Dan - but even then things don't involve the PC's sound hardware. The transcoding is done digitally, by the PC's CPU.

And again, if you would be transcoding when the Oppo fetched the file in response to an internal (in the Oppo) browser request, then you would also be transcoding it when the Oppo fetched the file in response to a SetAVTransportURI request. In both cases, the Oppo is fetching the file from JRMC, and at that point, JRMC does not even know HOW the Oppo made the decision in the first place. The request is context-free.

And with the Oppo, it is definitely best to turn off transcoding in JRMC, which I was assuming that any Oppo user would do, since the Oppo plays darn near everything natively anyway.
Edited by LairdWilliams - 12/1/13 at 5:20pm
post #7878 of 10056
Need someone to can this post - browser malfunctioned and I ended up posting weirdness here. Can't seem to find a way to can it myself.
post #7879 of 10056
Hi everyone,

I recently downloaded my first HD tracks file, Miles Davis, Kinda blue. I downloaded the flac version. What program should I play it with? Is there a good free one like Windows media player. Please forgive the elementary question, I am new to Hi rez files and the like. I am enjoying my 105 in the most basic way right now, but it sounds really good so far!
Thank you
post #7880 of 10056
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Originally Posted by music first View Post

Hi everyone,

I recently downloaded my first HD tracks file, Miles Davis, Kinda blue. I downloaded the flac version. What program should I play it with? Is there a good free one like Windows media player. Please forgive the elementary question, I am new to Hi rez files and the like. I am enjoying my 105 in the most basic way right now, but it sounds really good so far!
Thank you

Put it on a USB flash drive, plug it into the front port and play it from there.  No PC, no software.

post #7881 of 10056
Also no networks, no SMBs, DLNAs, doPs, etc, etc!!!!!!!!

This forum has turned into an alphabet soup of media server acronyms, none of which are important to music appreciation. If I want to listen to my DSD files I get up off the sofa and put the SACD Disc into the 105 and sit back down to listen. That beats hours scraping files onto a PC , then figuring out how to fly the digi-bits around my wifi network....followed by hours of reading forums to figure out what software will help me do it gap-less or whatever other irritation is driving this forum.

What a WOT ( waste of time).biggrin.gif

It's time for the legions of music listeners to rise up.....and put another disc in the OPPO.....

Cheers (from the sofa).

tongue.gif
post #7882 of 10056

BBC Radio 3 "HD" Stream

 

Does anyone know if it's possible to get the OPPO to access a stream like this? From my PC I can get it by creating a file with the extension .strm that contains only the text "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3_aaclca.pls

"

I thought that the OPPO might recognize a playlist file with the url in it but no luck so far. This would be a really useful facility, since I understand the stream is a higher quality than any of the standard broadcast platforms. (although it's not available outside the UK)

 

Roger

post #7883 of 10056
I want my OPPO to dispense ice cubes. Is this planned in a future FW release?

(he asks with tongue in cheek!)
post #7884 of 10056
^ That was considered -- to go along with the cup holder that's already built into the disc tray -- but didn't make the final cut. You might want to raise this again in the What Would You Like in the Next OPPO Players thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1365649/what-features-would-you-like-in-your-next-oppo-br-e-g-oppo-bdp-113-and-bdp-115

Meanwhile, have you thought of getting one of those nifty LG TVs that's built into the door of a refrigerator? I know they're a bit of hassle to mount over the fireplace, but consider that with the door cracked open, the little light inside serves double duty as "ambience back-lighting" around the display.
--Bob
post #7885 of 10056
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Originally Posted by djwillia33 View Post

Also no networks, no SMBs, DLNAs, doPs, etc, etc!!!!!!!!

This forum has turned into an alphabet soup of media server acronyms, none of which are important to music appreciation. If I want to listen to my DSD files I get up off the sofa and put the SACD Disc into the 105 and sit back down to listen. That beats hours scraping files onto a PC , then figuring out how to fly the digi-bits around my wifi network....followed by hours of reading forums to figure out what software will help me do it gap-less or whatever other irritation is driving this forum.

What a WOT ( waste of time).biggrin.gif

It's time for the legions of music listeners to rise up.....and put another disc in the OPPO.....

Cheers (from the sofa).

tongue.gif

+1 biggrin.gif
post #7886 of 10056
^ It sounds like some of you still get up off the sofa to change channels on your vacuum tube tv's too. biggrin.giftongue.gif
I would never miss having to place a media disc in my player's disc tray, or return a rental blu ray back to the video store. Who needs unnecessary jitter in their audio playback anyways?
Edited by DanF8500 - 12/2/13 at 7:33am
post #7887 of 10056
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Put it on a USB flash drive, plug it into the front port and play it from there.  No PC, no software.

Thanks Kal, I was over thinking it. High rez files sound very nice through the USB.
post #7888 of 10056
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ It sounds like some of you still get up off the sofa to change channels on your vacuum tube tv's too. biggrin.giftongue.gif
I would never miss having to place a media disc in my player's disc tray, or return a rental blu ray back to the video store. Who needs unnecessary jitter in their audio playback anyways?

Agreed, but judging from this and other Oppo threads the technology in this area seems to be so complex that once Oppo manages to rectify one bug, another is likely to arise, and one wonders whether it is in fact possible to continue adapting these "universal" players to the ever-developing formats and transfer modes of media files.
post #7889 of 10056
^ I think the bigger complexity is trying to create an all encompassing media player based on everyone's wishes (want lists), and limit the consumer costs to just over $1K.
post #7890 of 10056
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Originally Posted by OPPOrtunist View Post


Agreed, but judging from this and other Oppo threads the technology in this area seems to be so complex that once Oppo manages to rectify one bug, another is likely to arise, and one wonders whether it is in fact possible to continue adapting these "universal" players to the ever-developing formats and transfer modes of media files.

It is easy to think so from reading posts but it isn't really a big problem when you get into it. No product is perfect or permanent and we are a community of nit-pickers.  Meanwhile, you are sitting on the sidelines and missing out on the fun.

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